I admire this man. Thank God communism is coming to America. Whoever thinks communism is not a good political system, you are dead wrong! Thank you Van Jones!! I agree fully with you!!!
@tallguy7892000 You sure don't know what communism is. Just like probably Van Jones, I believe our founders wanted communism for America. The problem is the corrupt oligarchs took over. Hope one day you wake up. Van Jones would be a great leader for this communist revolution. The revolution of the poor, the displaced. A revolution for all Americans. No more rich, no more poor. Free education 4 all. Wake up my friend. This revolution can't be stopped. The revolution of Lenin and Engels.
Van is the DEATH of America. if you believe this man and follow this man,you need to take a look at the other side and hear there side then make your true decision. This clown spews Communist Marxist hate mongering. He is not a true American. He wants to destroy America! Any of you think his side is the side, start talking to GOD. you will receive an answer.
@TheNavigateur Brainwashed? not! You have been brainwashed by the communist's. You Sir are a trader to America and should be treated as such. If you like the Communist ways MOVE TO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY. You are a true idiot !
@lightningman01 Communism is actually impossible. There has never been a communist country and there never will be. You're just demonstrating your own rank ignorance right here. Now think.
@TheNavigateur Whatever you think is wrong, you are still a FUCKING COMMUNIST, there is a place for all of you Communist fucks,and it is NOT here in America, Would just love for you to try and take America . We are waiting!
@lightningman01 Wow, you're nuts. So..... how do you know if someone's a communist? Does someone simply have to point at someone and say "Look, there's a communist"? Or do you just pick at random? What are your criteria?
And you say "Whatever you think is wrong," What, that communism is impossible? Ok you think it's possible??? Ok then, explain to me how a world can exist where everyone gives according to ability and gets according to need? YOU prove to me that's possible, then I'll agree.
@TheNavigateur Quack, so what you are saying is i should work and just give my money or property away just because some lazy ass fuck doesnt want to get a job, is that what you are saying? History repeats itself,and if it happens here the people that help do the ground work ,such as yourself will be killed, by the regime . Have you read the history of Stalion? or even Chairman mao? or how about that worthless piece of shit Hitler, if that is the kind of shit you want FUCK OFF.
@lightningman01 No I'm not saying that someone who doesn't contribute should end up with the same amount of money. Does that make me not a communist any more? I believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, and that it should come from democratically-derived laws. Stalin, Mao and Hitler were dictatorships, and I believe in democracy - government guided by representative discussion. Having publicly funded schools, fire department and medicines WON'T KILL PEOPLE, as you so fervently believe because you're nuts.
912TennesseeProject1@ haha this comment coming from someone claiming or calling himself Tennessee ? Haha. What makes him a communist! Because he's not Corporate dick riding...Why is it whenever someone in thus country makes any sense we do our hardest to discredit them, while any one else who more of a 'celebrity ' politician we give them free range and plenty of chances? Be proud moron
A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Thought I'd help the ignorant folks who obviously aren't clear on the definition of communism.
trinity mike your an idiot let me guess your a fan of this stupid moron communist thats in charge of our green jobs and wants nothing more than to see a communist nation here. Yea its ok that he want to give all the green jobs to the prisoners for fucking cheap labor yea thats cool thats really helping the economy. As far as your teaparty comment, isnt a stupid idiot in washington that i trust and we should all unite and kill them all and let the youth run this shit.
@swift530 That it? That the best, most cogent rebuttal you have to this? No wonder the Teabaggers got you by the 'teabag'; You've stopped thinking and started blindly reacting to anything your RightWingnut masters tells you is bad...
This is quite frightening. To learn what "the new world order" and "globalization" and "social justice" means, study "United Nations Agenda 21." Everyone should know what this agenda means to their everyday life. It's happening NOW!
@mabellehardie For rightwingers to accuse ANYONE of committing "treason" after DIck Cheney outed a covert CIA agent - and during war time - is beyond ridiculous! Not only did the GOP out a CIA agent, but they also lied to start a war that has caused the pointless murders of thousands of US troops. They also illegally spied on Americans without any warrant or justification. Those are ALL crimes that are not only treasonous, but in a just society would lead to the execution of those responsible!
400 people in America make the equivalent salary as 150 million working Americans.
They have no allegiance to our country they are part of the global corporate elite who jet set around the globe pillaging the resources of developing countries as well as our own and paying little to nothing to support the inhabitants to a higher living standard. If you don't happen to be one of the 400, then it would be in your best interest to stop buying what they are selling & protect the Safety Net!
Van Jones is a self avowed Communist. watch?v=RXd3nZhlJNU . watch?v=LzQb42A1Nqs The next few decades will determine whether the Human Species is a locust species that will scour this planet to the bones…” . “Need change on a revolutionary scale to survive as a species.” . watch?v=bgKr480RYc4. Obama's Former Green Jobs Czar and Communist, Van Jones Admits Left is 'PRETENDING' Need for Regulations in Green Movement
This man is a Marxist ... self-admitted. A radical who wants to "transform", read destroy, the liberty and freedom that made America the greatest country God gave man and enslave all the mindless drones who actually believe the "equality" rap coming coming out of his mouth. The only equality he believes in is equal misery. Fall for his lies at your own peril.
Is there a reason that people who are born in this country shouldn't want equality? Perhaps if your accident of birth were to black parents who lived in a poor neighborhood you might think differently. Van Jones never said people shouldn't work hard or that there should be freebies from the government. But he did say that if you do work hard, you should have equal access to that dream. Whats your problem with that?
@DavidNBK We all have equality of access, not outcome. You know nothing about that which Jones preaches if you think he is talking about simple access to opportunity. Please, educate yourself about this man beforer you defend his anti-freedom agenda.
@zombietakeover4 Yes, otherwise we wouldn't be a 912 Project, now would we. Maybe you should consider do so yourself. You may actually be exposed to something different and be encouraged to do your own research and your own reading.
@912ProjectTennessee1 where did you get these ideas? Let me guess, you let some one else do your thinking for you and now your speaking their words. Go ahead be a slave to the rich!
@mslaughinkitty Is it possible that you can be as ignorant as your words make you seem? I hope not. Please, read something different, stretch your little brain ... or is that possible? Slave to the rich? Who do you think Mr. Jones is? Who do you think runs your idealistic non-existent Socialist-Marxist world? ... the average man? Really? Is that what you believe? That in a world ruled by Van Jones that everyone would be equal? Can you be so misguided and blind?
"We work in neighborhoods you wouldn't even go into!"
"You're not America... all of our children act better than you act. Quit abusing our country."
"We don't want tea party members to suffer from the catastrophe that would come from the changes they want to see. We don't want their grandkids to go to schools with 45 students in a class with 6 books."
It HASN'T tricled down. Since Reagan, then with Bush tax cuts, they claim that giving the 'job creators' more money would trickel down to create more jobs, more businesses, ect. Well, we're almost 2 decades into it & we still have some of the worst unemployment in history, we still have our jobs being outsourced by the same companies we gave a break, we have the top gaining more & more profit while the rest of us get less & less. It's reverse socialism, wealth redistribution to the top.
to say that corporate jet owners need their tax breaks while the poorest of our society get the programs cut that help them the most, is this the kind of America you want to live in? How is it Christian to want to give everything to the rich & screw the poor? I've read the bible & I don't remember Jesus saying anything like that. Over 40% of the new wealth created in the past decade or 2 has went to the top 2%, all due to policies enacted by the right, starting with Reagan. Trickle down?
You say that we shouldn't punish those who have earned what they have, but without a police force to protect them, firemen to stop our houses from burning, safe roads & safe air travel to transport goods, NO ONE will be able to accumulate wealth. Accumulation of wealth & property is only possible under a stable society with a competent government that protects their citizens from people that would do us harm in order to profit from our misfortune, the rich are forever indebted to the society
that allowed them to accumulate the wealth they enjoy, therefore they should always pay more in taxes than the rest of society. To ask those with the least to pay for the problems that those with the most have created is just immoral, to ask the elderly to cut their SS while the rich refuse to give up their tax cuts (remember it's not even RAISING taxes, but letting the cuts expire to return to Clinton era levels), to say oil companies need subsidies from us while cutting money for education
Apparently I can't post sites in comments so look up fallacy files, the nizkor project, & logical fallacies.info. To learn about political philosophy, google 'political philosophy internet encyclopedia of philosophy' where you can find great articles about liberalism, conservatism, socialism, you name it. The best philosophy site is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, totally free & updated frequently.
@RRCSMM They just haven't been proven to you because you feeble brain cannot comprehend it. That's why you run to socialism because they will do your thinking for you. All you have to do is work and support a doomed economic system. And if you don't work then you will be of no value. Then Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw will take you away and discuss your value to society and very politely kill you. (watch?v=93eir00rOho)
@RRCSMM Birth Control? That's news to me. You guys have bankrupted Medicare and Social Security and when anyone suggests ways to try to make it more efficient to save it, you guys get your panties in a bind and say we are trying to kill old people. I would privatize every government give away program. It has been proven time and time again that government is too incompetent to run anything. Private industry will provide a better service for much less, like they always do.
@RRCSMM How are "mud holes" being stomped on anyone? Oh I know. We are not stealing enough money from the producers to give to those who didn't earn it.
Yes I would cut out tons of government programs out. I would strip it down to just what our constitution allows for. I would make people responsible for their own lives.
BTW there is not enough money in the world to end poverty, there never will be and if there was the money would be worthless. Study economics will ya???
@RRCSMM Show me where Van Jones ever said that he was no longer a communist?
How do you level the playing field without redistributing wealth? It is the standard collectivist model. In the free market the playing field IS automatically level. What you consider leveling is equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome IS wealth redistribution it is also how prosperity and innovation is destroyed.
@RRCSMM FASCISM!?!?!?! FASCISM!?!?!?! Fascism is a cousin to Socialism. I don't want ANY form collectivism. They all suck.
How do I know? Mussolini is considered the father of fascism, but Mussolini always considered himself a socialist. In the early 20th century he was one of the most intellectual socialists around. He only tweaked it a little to create fascism. Then his socialist buddies killed him.
I guess because you have lost the argument all you have to resort to is insults.
@RRCSMM Are you nuts!!! Socialism is directly responsible for the economic decline we are seeing in our country right now. It is what is destroying Europe. There is no economic or historic evidence EVER showing a socialist nation prospering in the long term.
Never at any time has the free market when most of the restrictions have been removed has not produced wealth and prosperity for EVERYONE. You really need to study history and economics because you are just plain wrong.
@RRCSMM NO YOU ARE NOT!!! You have been lied to, misinformed and are just plain wrong. I present you with a fact that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is true and you tell me that I am wrong. You have no idea of how wrong you are.
I have asked you time and time again to do your own research but all you do is run to your tired old Socialist dogma. You don't check Fox's facts, you run to Media Matters and PolitiFact both of whom are so biased it makes my head spin.
in a shift gear from the socialism/fascism argument, can we please acknowledge that most american's don't understand (and don't seem to care) what happens if we default on our debt. Irregardless, the misinformation campaign will linger (for those who pretend that they care but simply want to discredit Obama's accomplishments). Trust the silent voice of fact aside from the loud voices of discontent, a default of this country's debt will be a global catastrophe.
@TheVideosplease That phrase "limited government" is how you will eventually LOSE your voice in how this nation operates. "Of the People, By the People and for the People" is what will disappear if Libertarians take over. After that is all about the corporations.
Yea Van Jones just keeps spending the money because money is the answer to everything. It's sad that some people are gonna listen to this guy. He's about nothing but himself. Glenn Beck would crush Van Jones and his communist ways.
@Serr8d -Keep worshiping your Lord Glenn Beck and his racist lies about Van Jones White Power Racists like you will believe anything that Glenn Beck says about a Black Man.White Supremacists have been giving Van Jones death threats because of Becks fear mongering propaganda racist lies.
@SuperBlackWoman1 Hey, no need to insult the mentally handicapped by calling them Glenn Beck fans. lol. I'm not sure how someone becomes a fan of someone so insane. Racism is alive and well in the deep south and that is where most of the Beck and Fox News fans seem to be. I know because I live here. As a white guy, I hear tons of racist terms used all the time by co-workers and people I come in contact with, who feel comfortable to let it all hang out I guess, and it is absolutely disgusting..
@SuperBlackWoman1 I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I was posting on Van Jones long before Glenn Beck picked up that as an issue.
Van Jones is a moocher-enabler, and you are a moocher, if you take monies from Government coffers that you haven't earned. You and your sorts do not deserve Other People's Money just because you think you do. You are soft of character and weak of spine if you think 'Evil RICH! People' owe you a damned thing. Grow up.
I don't understand this country's present obsession with communism. It has never been a prevalent force in American politics but rather a small radical minority. Your feeling threatened by an irrelevant political minority reflects your penetrability by right wing fear mongering. In other words...fear allows you to be easily influenced/ brainwashed.
@electricalbananaa Because there's people like Van Jones who've communist sympathies; and LeftLibProggs are cheering on Marxist principles. You don't know enough about Communism or Marx to even recognize it in the new far-Left Democratic party, do you?
Marx would be proud of Van Jones, Barack Obama and others leading the Democrats today, In fact, the Communists support Democrats. Just look at the iconography chosen my the #WiUnion supporters, the clenched fist. Google that under Wiki.
@Serr8d No, moron, you've obviously never studied Marx at all. A choice of a fist is not enough to support your assertion, we all have fists, it's a universal symbol. Van Jones is not even close to communist, & Obama might as well be a conservative, the way he caves on every issue to the Republicans, I just don't get it, you guys should love Obama.
@EpistemicFusion You are wrong. History: "The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a salute and logo most often used by left-wing activists, such as: Marxists, anarchists, socialists, communists, pacifists, trade unionists, and black nationalists. The raised fist is usually regarded as an expression of solidarity, strength or defiance. It dates back to the salute of Rotfrontkämpferbund, a paramilitary organization of the Communist Party of Germany before World War II." Fits Dems, too
@Serr8d, Please spare me the conspiracy theorists definition, it's like the morons that say every single eye on anything is the eye of horus from the freemasons. Take off the tin foil hat & join the rest of humanity.
An idiot in Athenian democracy was someone who was characterized by self-centeredness and concerned almost exclusively with private--as opposed to public--affairs.[1] Idiocy was the natural state of ignorance into which all persons were born and its opposite, citizenship, was effected through formalized education.[1] In Athenian democracy, idiots were born and citizens were made through education.
That debate would be amazing. Glen Beck would tear this ignorant, Communist, radical fool to shreds. Van Jones does know there is no affirmative Action in debates, right?
A moral movement? WTF? I want to know what his moral compass is. Who is this "us" he refers to? I'll bet he's 'on the down low' like Obama. I love the feigned humility at the end of his lame speech. You go girl.
Creepy.Van Jones is a dangerous ,racebaiting idealogue who, along with others with the same sinister inten,t is trying to overthrow our system of government,economic system, and the US Constitution through this phoney,crackpot scheme of "green" jobs and a "green" economy.The American people are not falling for it.
@Dustwitch Instead of whining and spreading lies that are obvious to anyone who is not severely retarded, why don't you ust STFU and move to Somalia if you hate government and taxes so much. Just think, the perfect Randroid Utopia. What are you waiting for?
Excellent speech Van. Don't expect to get a call from the merchants of hate like Beck. They are incapable of rationale reasoning. Their main goal is to keep the haters frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs, that's their only success. They are the loud minority, we outnumber them and that is what they are afraid of.
Van Jones is an American hero. If you can't tell that he is speaking for all Americans I feel sad for you. Those that think this is socialism should kill themselves. No more wasted breath on the willfully ignorant.
@actionmac Please I have watched this man speak before... Stupid thing about him is that he believes everything that he says. He is on the wrong side of history and unfortunately for all you kool aid drinking zombies on the left you actually believe the lies this man spews... The people he talks about in the speech are where they are because of democratic policies
@Will224000 one is a form of repressive Government that antagonized capitalism and communism because of jewish control, the other is a form of repressive economics that promotes plutocracy. If you want accuracy, we TOTALLY, live in a corporately controlled plutocratic system built by elites..
Van Jones is just plain creepy. Dontcha think? All Beck did was pull up the floorboards and shine a light on Jones and Anita Dunn and they scrambled like cockroaches.
There is no way they are going to get away with their redistribution wet dream for America. No way in hell.
I never realized Communism was a value, let alone an American value. Mr. Jones you want to replace individual liberty and freedom with slavery. Let no one be fooled by your rhetoric, communism is slavery.
This guy is all about inflammatory speech. He was pushed out when he tipped his communist hand. We are not, and never will be a communist nation.
And Glenn Beck, and many others would be happy to debate him. How about debating Hannity...or my favorite, Andrew Wilkow? Talk is cheap. Lets see some action.
@EpistemicFusion There's a difference? Oh yeah I forgot Progressives also includes Socialists, Fascists, Nazis, Corporatists and all other statists, not just communists. Basically a Progressive is anyone who wants to take my right to decide for myself how I want to live my life.
@HoldingOnToLiberty.... when did progressives become nazi's..? let alone fascists? jesus christ, I don't like the far left, but actually do some research before you categorize a group of people.
@Dustwitch I don't reference demagoguery as a research. And technically speaking, fascism and Nazism are placed on the sharp right of the political diagram. It's not a liberal bias, it's common political science. Both represent a form of totalitarianism, fascism and nazism is a direct root to repressive militarism and police state, to acquire profit. Communism is communal acceptance to mutual sharing (it is often confused with Stalin's interpretation, which is taxed repression).
@representative46 ...mmmkay...thanks for the response. Van Jones is a dangerous ,racebaiting idealogue who, along with others with the same sinister inten,t is trying to overthrow our system of government,economic system, and the US Constitution through this phoney,crackpot scheme of "green" jobs and a "green" economy.The American people are not falling for it.
@Dustwitch dude, where are you getting the impression that Van Jones is trying to overthrow the American Government, the economic system, and the constitution? You do understand that this is the same crap that happens in politics, everyday. No one political party 'owns' the american government. Republicans and Democrats share that fault, they don't own the Government, and the fringe tries to delegitimize each other and their leaders to prove a point!
@Dustwitch right, we have to come together to make sense out of this clutter of misinformation and crap. It's not just about Obama, or Paul Ryan, or Ron Paul. this country is going down the crap-hole because people no longer understand how the system works! I literally spent 8 hours of my life EXPLAINING nazism! fringe conservatives are largely uninformed, so are fringe Liberals, it's really scary. This country can't keep on working on stalemate and anger.
@HoldingOnToLiberty The problem is that I have done my homework. Compare Hitlers Nazi party platform to today current Democrat party platform. They are way too similar.
The problem with the Progressives is when Hitler's evil was exposed they all accused the American Right of being Nazis and it stuck. Prior to that the Progressives praised Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.
Look it up. Progressives are all about a totalitarian regime that promises cradle to grave care.
@HoldingOnToLiberty, please...enlighten us on how an american political party represents the same agenda that the nazi platform introduced in the late 30's? Or the Italian parliament, since the origin of fascism did reside in Italy?
@representative46 Really? In 500 words or less I am supposed to give you all the details. You need to do your own homework. Look it up yourself.
It's all there. From government health care to "Social Justice" the Nazis believed in it all. In fact in the 20's and 30's the American Nazi party published a newspaper titled, "Social Justice". That phrase still appears on the American Nazi party web sites.
@HoldingOnToLiberty So.. you're telling me that the American Nazi party used the same slogan as the german nazi party...That is SUCH a huge development!!! Now how do Nazi's align themselves to either Democratic or Republican parties? You still haven't answered my question. The nationalization of healthcare, ''social justice,'' are simply slogans and political shifts (and technically speaking the nazi party would have simply nationalized those goods to white aryan citizens, killing non aryans
@representative46 No. I'm telling you that the American Democrat party, the American Nazi party and the German Nazi party all use the same slogan and it all means the same thing.
Social Justice means taking by force of law from those who produce and giving to those who do not produce in the name of fairness. This is NOT an American value, it's not even a value, it's theft. It is also an unsustainable economic model. There is not enough money in the world to raise people out of poverty.
dude, where the hell are you getting this? Nazism believed in racial superiority among whites! (apparently that sort of goes beyond the point, let's talks about social safety nets). After the great depression, congress passed legislation that re-allocated the powers of the States to the federal government to produce national social security and other safety nets to maintain the population from reaching poverty. Is your argument that congress was wrong to keep people out of abundant poverty?
@representative46 I read it. That's where I get it. Nazism wasn't just about racial superiority. It is socialism...the National Socialist Workers Party to be exact. That is what the acronym translates to in English.
So when the Progressives (Hoover & FDR) turned a depression into the Great Depression they violated the Constitution by taking rights reserved to the states (10th Amendment) and created entitlements. This was to end the poverty they themselves created.
@representative46 You think Obama hasn't been nationalizing private organizations? GM, Chrysler, the major banks, healthcare (well not yet but Obamacare is designed to lead to that). This is just a start. The idea is to bring under government control finance, health, energy and transportation. Once they control that, they control us.
BTW Oil and food are headed towards nationalization next. They already have in place the ability to squash free speech on the internet under net neutrality.
@HoldingOnToLiberty But dude, Obama hasn't nationalized banks or any private organization. He hasn't even nationalized health care!! The Affordable Care act is a massive expansion of private-care to the individual consumer. The only thing that is remotely Government controlled is the mandate (which is fucking wrong and unconstitutional) but it only works to keep private insurance marginally cheap. Is it government growth? sort of. Is it European? not even close.
@representative46 Wow! We agree on something. The individual mandate IS unconstitutional. As far as nationalizing private industry have you not read the newspapers or listened to the news? The banks haven't gotten completely out from underneath the TARP debt and they are regulated to death
Obamacare was designed to destroy private healthcare so that Obama or whatever Progressive takes his place (Rep or Dem) will bring in a single payer system.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Regulated to death? Have you actually read what's in Dodd-Frank? When an entire industry holds a substancial amount of the nation's wealth and then fuck up and force tax-payers to bail them out, there have to be ramifications. Glass-Steagall was in place for the better part of the last century and the entire American economy grew, we can't have casino-banks. Also... 'designed to destroy private health-insurance'? By selling poor people private health insurance, really?
@representative46 Dodd-Frank??? My goodness I bet that's a gotta be a bill made in hell. There are 2 congressmen who are directly responsible for the housing debacle. Guess who they are? Dodd and Frank should be in prison.
Progressives wouldn't know a good economy if it hit them in the face. Whenever we have an economic rebound it is IN SPITE of you guys not because of you guy. You don't understand the economy and the thing is it not that hard to understand.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Again with the progressive talk... What do you define as a progressive? What is so confrontational in valuing a committed and responsible financial sector. I don't want a Carter economy, or even a Reagan economy in that matter, I want to re-start a 50's-60's economic boom. AND YES THERE WAS REGULATION. Modern Republicans wouldn't know how to handle it because even the slightest talk of regulation scares them. I'm an Ike Eisenhower Republican, shame on you Reaganintes.
@representative46 Nope. I'm done. I have too much studying to do to waste time telling a socialist just how idiotic their economic theories are. Just look in the real world. Countries where the individuals have more freedom are ALWAYS more prosperous. In Socialist countries were the markets are under tight controls and the people have less freedom are miserable places to live.
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude, don't call me a socialist because you don't have anything else to say. I'm not trying to defend a broken system, but dammit the level of ignorance among MY OWN constituency is embarrassing. I don't want to sound flippant, but by your definition of 'freedom' are you seriously trying to imply that a pre-New Deal economy was more sound and prosperous than the post New Deal economy?
@representative46 Fine. I won't call you a socialist if you'll stop defending it. What are you then, a Keynesian? That's not much better.
An hell yeah, the Harding/Coolidge era was a gazillion times better than anything pertaining to the New Deal. The New Deal is what turned a depression into the Great Depression. It spawned several generations of politicians thinking that they can spend us into oblivion because Keynes said they could. The money multiplier theory is a joke.
@HoldingOnToLiberty 'money multiplier theory,' where do you get this stuff? Fuck yea the Harding and Coolidge eras were outstanding, everyone was spending their life away on technology, fashion, automobiles. Everyone loves to spend when there seems to be endless amount of credit. What happens when it runs out? Or there's a hiccup in spending? Everyone panics when they find out that they have no savings whatsoever only debt, as well as a loss of stock in the private sector due to bad investement
@HoldingOnToLiberty Also, no shit sherlock, the individual mandate does not constitute completely with the Necessary and Proper Clause, which gives the Congress of The United States, though limited, the power- as stated in Article 1 Sec. 8- to implement ‘’laws…such as are necessary and proper.” While it is a congressional use of the elastic clause, the federal government still hasn't explained the power to tax an individual to purchase a good. States have with Driver's insurance.
@representative46 Yes the Necessary and Proper clause is what Progressives like to hide behind every time they have to violate the 9th & 10th Amendment and take more of our freedoms and rights away. The vagueness of that phrase is like a Christmas present to you tyrants.
I don't HAVE to drive a car, therefore, I don't HAVE to buy auto insurance. Under Obamacare I only have 4 options, buy insurance, be penalized under the law, die or move out of the country.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Those terms don't mean what fox news told you they mean, the only one that might apply to some progressives is socialist & despite what Glen Beck told you, communism & socialism are not the same thing. And corporatists, really? It's conservatives that base all their decisions around the desires of the corporations, corporations give the right way more money than the left, that's a fact. No one wants to tell you how to live your life as long as your not hurting people.
@EpistemicFusion I knew the difference between Communist and Socialist decades before I ever heard of Glenn Beck. BTW Glenn Beck appears to know the difference also. Regardless they are both Statists and that is slavery.
Yes Corporatists. Both Democrats and Republicans have created this Corporatist nightmare that is killing the Free Market. But Democrats more than Republicans are trying pick up the pieces with collectivism.
Collectivists are all about telling me what I can say, do or hear.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Then why equate the two when you know the difference? Doing so only makes you look ignorant. And sure, there are plenty Democrats that pander to corporations, but the numbers don't lie, it's the GOP that receives the lion's share of donations from corporations. And the choice between collectivism & individualism is a false dichotomy, did you make the computer you are using? Or the clothes on your back? It's impossible to be completely individualist. And you would find..
@EpistemicFusion Because Socialism and Communism are more like twin brothers than complete strangers. They are not entirely different styles of government. They both value the collective over the individual. They both require central planners to make sweeping decisions that effect the individual. They both diminish or destroy property rights. They both make slaves working to support the oligarchy who are in control. And they both are unsustainable.
@EpistemicFusion I really don't care who has the greatest number of corporatists. I believe the greatest lie perpetrated on the citizenry is that there are more Repubs than Dems who support it. I think it is about even. It is the method that both parties use to get elected and stay in office. There is not one more guilty than the other. Most businesses who get kick backs from the government have contributed equally to both parties.
@HoldingOnToLiberty You can think whatever you want but that doesn't mean what you think is correct, in fact it's not, the repubs get a significantly larger amount of money from corporations that the left, look it up. The main donors to dems are unions, that's why cons are so out to get them.
@HoldingOnToLiberty that most progressive are more individualist than you think, no one would say they want to limit any freedom for social issues, unlike conservatives who want to tell women how what to do with their genitals, or tell real Americans that they can't serve their country because of their sexual preference, or tell people that they must adhere to an out-dated religion that does more harm than it does good.
@EpistemicFusion Yeah I hear a lot of hot air about individualism coming from the Progressives but they have never been able to deliver that. They have regulated business to the point that in order to survive they have left the nation. They are the root cause of outsourcing. They are the root cause of our manufacturing base being exported to China.
Wow! I've never heard of an infant referred to as "genitals" before. That's a stretch
@HoldingOnToLiberty "They'? The root cause of outsourcing is the drive to profit above all, it is CAPITALISM. It's because business aren't worried about fair wages or safe enviroments, they are worried about profit. You want to see what happens without goverment regulation, go to Mogadishu, Somalia, go ahead & try to drink the water there. And I'm not talking about infants, since 3 month old zygotes are not infants, at that point it is a womans body that you have no right to.
@EpistemicFusion "The root cause of outsourcing is the drive to profit " Yes it does have to do with profit. If it is no longer profitable to operate in the US then businesses will look outside of the US just to stay in business.
What is wrong with making a profit? Isn't that how you get a paycheck?
If a business cannot make a profit they begin lay off people until the business will finally collapse. And that seems to be the economic model that the Progressives inflict on business.
@HoldingOnToLiberty So profit is more important than having clean water & air? It's more important than having a paycheck that is enough to actually sustain people instead of paying a person a dollar a day to work in a sweatshop? Nothing is 'wrong' with making a profit, but when that profit is held more important than our basic neccessities to survive, we ALL suffer. We ALL need clean water, safe food, good medicine, & safe sometimes equals more expensive. But its pay now or pay later!
@EpistemicFusion "So profit is more important than having clean water & air?" What does making a profit have anything to do with clean water & air?
Where are the sweatshops in this country? Your precious collectivist utopia China is full of sweatshops where people are paid less then a dollar a day. All so the government can make a profit off the backs of the poor people who had the misfortune of being born there.
I want EVERYONE earning a profit because they are free to do so.
@HoldingOnToLiberty You really are that naive? It's cheaper to dump in the ocean than to take care of waste responsibly, so they dump it in our lakes & oceans. It's cheaper to make food without testing for diseases, it's cheaper to sell water without testing it for infectants, so companies don't care about doing it, & pay people to make you think government regulation is bad. Or do you not care about getting cholera? Go drink the water in Mexico & tell me regulation is bad.
@EpistemicFusion Speaking of your collectivist utopia (ie China), who is the biggest polluter on this planet right now? Do you seriously thing that Socialism cares about the environment? Socialism doesn't even care about the people they enslave let alone the environment. Environmentalism is just a means to an end. Why are all environmentalist solutions anti business? It was never about protecting the environment, it is about destroying free enterprise.
@HoldingOnToLiberty Where do you get this moronic idea that those on the left like China? Progressives don't like what goes on in China any more than you do. You really have been brainwashed, you anthropomorphize ideas as if they were real people with desires. "Socialism' or 'Enviromentalism' don't 'want' anything. And it isn't about anit-business, it's about anti-killing people, but opf course you can't see that distinction. Do you have any original thoughts in that head of yours?
@EpistemicFusion I am libertarian/conservative not a Libertarian. I did vote Libertarian last presidential election and I agree with a lot of the Libertarian positions but not all of them.
I haven't even heard of Robert Nozick let alone read him. I'm more into Milton Friedman, F. A Hayak, Thomas Sowell, Ludwig Von Mises and, yes, even Ayn Rand (except for the all that atheism stuff).
@HoldingOnToLiberty, Nozick put forth the most powerful defense of libertarianism ever in print, contra John Rawls liberalism espoused in 'A Theory of Justice". Then, a little more than a decade later, he renounced libertarianism & admitted it was seriously flawed. And that's funny, the atheism stuff is the only thing I agree with Ayn Rand about! Everything she stood for is immoral, she thought altruism itself is immoral. Helping people is immoral. IS that someone you really want to listen to?
@EpistemicFusion I suppose people can lose 10 or 20 IQ points and go from libertarianism into modern liberalism (aka Progressivism). There is no system of govt that does not have flaws but I opt for the one that even with it's flaws offers the most liberty to the individual. And ya ain't gonna find that in Socialism, no way, no how.
I got into a discussion a Rand head a year or so ago and what he told me is that Rand's problem with altruism was forced altruism not voluntary. I agree with that
@HoldingOnToLiberty Your moronic comments show that you are not objective, you are brainwashed into demonizing the enemy, you have fallen for propaganda just like we saw in those societies you say you abhor so much. This is the 3rd red scare, re-neo-mcarthyism at it's finest. And really, you are using some dudes comment on a forum as your interpretation of a philosopher? Doesn't seem like you are to rigourus in your study of these subjects.
@EpistemicFusion No, I am agreeing with the concept that forced altruism is evil while voluntary altruism is good. If he represents Rand's philosophy on the subject then great. If he does not then I am at odds with Rand on that point.
Who's demonizing who? You've been bashing Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and Fox News ever since you started commenting. You have never watched or listened to any of them so you have no idea what you talking about.
@HoldingOnToLiberty And despite your snide insult, it is becaause of the inherent logical incoherence & complete immorality of libertarianism that Nozick rejected it. Not to mention is goes againt all of human history. Tell me, do you think cavemen would have been able to kill big game & grow crops without being altrustic, you think a lone caveman would have been able to be an 'individual' & survive on his own? Altrusim is what allowed us to step out of the caves & conquer the world.
I admire this man. Thank God communism is coming to America. Whoever thinks communism is not a good political system, you are dead wrong! Thank you Van Jones!! I agree fully with you!!!
jmwwd 7 hours ago
It was fun listening to this communist spewing his propaganda.
tallguy7892000 4 months ago
@tallguy7892000 You sure don't know what communism is. Just like probably Van Jones, I believe our founders wanted communism for America. The problem is the corrupt oligarchs took over. Hope one day you wake up. Van Jones would be a great leader for this communist revolution. The revolution of the poor, the displaced. A revolution for all Americans. No more rich, no more poor. Free education 4 all. Wake up my friend. This revolution can't be stopped. The revolution of Lenin and Engels.
jmwwd 7 hours ago
VAN JONES = COWARD
glassandroid 4 months ago
Van is the DEATH of America. if you believe this man and follow this man,you need to take a look at the other side and hear there side then make your true decision. This clown spews Communist Marxist hate mongering. He is not a true American. He wants to destroy America! Any of you think his side is the side, start talking to GOD. you will receive an answer.
lightningman01 4 months ago
@lightningman01 You are a nutcase. Very brainwashed, just like they want you to be.
TheNavigateur 4 months ago
@TheNavigateur Brainwashed? not! You have been brainwashed by the communist's. You Sir are a trader to America and should be treated as such. If you like the Communist ways MOVE TO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY. You are a true idiot !
lightningman01 4 months ago
@lightningman01 Communism is actually impossible. There has never been a communist country and there never will be. You're just demonstrating your own rank ignorance right here. Now think.
TheNavigateur 4 months ago
@TheNavigateur Whatever you think is wrong, you are still a FUCKING COMMUNIST, there is a place for all of you Communist fucks,and it is NOT here in America, Would just love for you to try and take America . We are waiting!
lightningman01 4 months ago
@lightningman01 Wow, you're nuts. So..... how do you know if someone's a communist? Does someone simply have to point at someone and say "Look, there's a communist"? Or do you just pick at random? What are your criteria?
And you say "Whatever you think is wrong," What, that communism is impossible? Ok you think it's possible??? Ok then, explain to me how a world can exist where everyone gives according to ability and gets according to need? YOU prove to me that's possible, then I'll agree.
TheNavigateur 4 months ago
@TheNavigateur Quack, so what you are saying is i should work and just give my money or property away just because some lazy ass fuck doesnt want to get a job, is that what you are saying? History repeats itself,and if it happens here the people that help do the ground work ,such as yourself will be killed, by the regime . Have you read the history of Stalion? or even Chairman mao? or how about that worthless piece of shit Hitler, if that is the kind of shit you want FUCK OFF.
lightningman01 4 months ago
@lightningman01 No I'm not saying that someone who doesn't contribute should end up with the same amount of money. Does that make me not a communist any more? I believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITY, and that it should come from democratically-derived laws. Stalin, Mao and Hitler were dictatorships, and I believe in democracy - government guided by representative discussion. Having publicly funded schools, fire department and medicines WON'T KILL PEOPLE, as you so fervently believe because you're nuts.
TheNavigateur 4 months ago
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@TheNavigateur Fuck you and your kind,get bent you worthless piece of shit.
lightningman01 4 months ago
Van Jones just another corporate backed shill. Vote for this sell out and you deserve what you get.
centerM87 4 months ago
@centerM87 How so?
TheThought2be 3 weeks ago
912TennesseeProject1@ haha this comment coming from someone claiming or calling himself Tennessee ? Haha. What makes him a communist! Because he's not Corporate dick riding...Why is it whenever someone in thus country makes any sense we do our hardest to discredit them, while any one else who more of a 'celebrity ' politician we give them free range and plenty of chances? Be proud moron
ZaneOneTwo 5 months ago
Communism - Noun:
A political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.
Thought I'd help the ignorant folks who obviously aren't clear on the definition of communism.
gabeshedd 5 months ago
um, Van Jones is NOT a communist. do i really have to explain?
FYtitties, "Liberty and justice for all" is not a communist thought.
kikiburrito 5 months ago 2
Van Jones for president
lennoxido 5 months ago 2
Fucking Communist. Only idiots fall for this shit.
tinydancer1965 6 months ago
@tinydancer1965 Only idiots post ignorant comments on Youtube.
gabeshedd 5 months ago
@gabeshedd You're the dupe. Not me. You're the useful idiot. Not me.
tinydancer1965 5 months ago
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Ron Paul 2012!
lb8825 6 months ago
trinity mike your an idiot let me guess your a fan of this stupid moron communist thats in charge of our green jobs and wants nothing more than to see a communist nation here. Yea its ok that he want to give all the green jobs to the prisoners for fucking cheap labor yea thats cool thats really helping the economy. As far as your teaparty comment, isnt a stupid idiot in washington that i trust and we should all unite and kill them all and let the youth run this shit.
swift530 6 months ago
stupid freaking radical communist lol
swift530 6 months ago
@swift530 That it? That the best, most cogent rebuttal you have to this? No wonder the Teabaggers got you by the 'teabag'; You've stopped thinking and started blindly reacting to anything your RightWingnut masters tells you is bad...
trinitymike 6 months ago
Keep preaching Brother! Your enemies only give/gave you a national/global pulpit. Your message is past due.
TheKenburroughs 7 months ago 2
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This is quite frightening. To learn what "the new world order" and "globalization" and "social justice" means, study "United Nations Agenda 21." Everyone should know what this agenda means to their everyday life. It's happening NOW!
vechorik 7 months ago
Liberty and Justice for ALL. When did America become only about Greed for the so very few?
sffilmgirl 7 months ago
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This man was fired by Obama on a Saturday night...he was found out to be a communist/ a traitor! He should be tried for treason!
mabellehardie 7 months ago
@mabellehardie For rightwingers to accuse ANYONE of committing "treason" after DIck Cheney outed a covert CIA agent - and during war time - is beyond ridiculous! Not only did the GOP out a CIA agent, but they also lied to start a war that has caused the pointless murders of thousands of US troops. They also illegally spied on Americans without any warrant or justification. Those are ALL crimes that are not only treasonous, but in a just society would lead to the execution of those responsible!
HNK222 6 months ago 2
400 people in America make the equivalent salary as 150 million working Americans.
They have no allegiance to our country they are part of the global corporate elite who jet set around the globe pillaging the resources of developing countries as well as our own and paying little to nothing to support the inhabitants to a higher living standard. If you don't happen to be one of the 400, then it would be in your best interest to stop buying what they are selling & protect the Safety Net!
gussdevilmaycry 7 months ago 10
FreedomInAmerica 7 months ago
This man is a Marxist ... self-admitted. A radical who wants to "transform", read destroy, the liberty and freedom that made America the greatest country God gave man and enslave all the mindless drones who actually believe the "equality" rap coming coming out of his mouth. The only equality he believes in is equal misery. Fall for his lies at your own peril.
912ProjectTennessee1 7 months ago
@912ProjectTennessee1
Is there a reason that people who are born in this country shouldn't want equality? Perhaps if your accident of birth were to black parents who lived in a poor neighborhood you might think differently. Van Jones never said people shouldn't work hard or that there should be freebies from the government. But he did say that if you do work hard, you should have equal access to that dream. Whats your problem with that?
DavidNBK 7 months ago
@DavidNBK We all have equality of access, not outcome. You know nothing about that which Jones preaches if you think he is talking about simple access to opportunity. Please, educate yourself about this man beforer you defend his anti-freedom agenda.
912ProjectTennessee1 7 months ago
@912ProjectTennessee1
Lol listen to Glenn Beck much?
zombietakeover4 7 months ago
@zombietakeover4 Yes, otherwise we wouldn't be a 912 Project, now would we. Maybe you should consider do so yourself. You may actually be exposed to something different and be encouraged to do your own research and your own reading.
912ProjectTennessee1 7 months ago
@912ProjectTennessee1
Ah, I see what your point is!
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GTASA911 7 months ago
@912ProjectTennessee1 where did you get these ideas? Let me guess, you let some one else do your thinking for you and now your speaking their words. Go ahead be a slave to the rich!
mslaughinkitty 7 months ago
@mslaughinkitty Is it possible that you can be as ignorant as your words make you seem? I hope not. Please, read something different, stretch your little brain ... or is that possible? Slave to the rich? Who do you think Mr. Jones is? Who do you think runs your idealistic non-existent Socialist-Marxist world? ... the average man? Really? Is that what you believe? That in a world ruled by Van Jones that everyone would be equal? Can you be so misguided and blind?
912ProjectTennessee1 7 months ago
Van Jones to Fox News,
"We work in neighborhoods you wouldn't even go into!"
"You're not America... all of our children act better than you act. Quit abusing our country."
"We don't want tea party members to suffer from the catastrophe that would come from the changes they want to see. We don't want their grandkids to go to schools with 45 students in a class with 6 books."
phillipcantor 7 months ago
It HASN'T tricled down. Since Reagan, then with Bush tax cuts, they claim that giving the 'job creators' more money would trickel down to create more jobs, more businesses, ect. Well, we're almost 2 decades into it & we still have some of the worst unemployment in history, we still have our jobs being outsourced by the same companies we gave a break, we have the top gaining more & more profit while the rest of us get less & less. It's reverse socialism, wealth redistribution to the top.
EpistemicFusion 7 months ago
to say that corporate jet owners need their tax breaks while the poorest of our society get the programs cut that help them the most, is this the kind of America you want to live in? How is it Christian to want to give everything to the rich & screw the poor? I've read the bible & I don't remember Jesus saying anything like that. Over 40% of the new wealth created in the past decade or 2 has went to the top 2%, all due to policies enacted by the right, starting with Reagan. Trickle down?
EpistemicFusion 7 months ago
You say that we shouldn't punish those who have earned what they have, but without a police force to protect them, firemen to stop our houses from burning, safe roads & safe air travel to transport goods, NO ONE will be able to accumulate wealth. Accumulation of wealth & property is only possible under a stable society with a competent government that protects their citizens from people that would do us harm in order to profit from our misfortune, the rich are forever indebted to the society
EpistemicFusion 7 months ago
that allowed them to accumulate the wealth they enjoy, therefore they should always pay more in taxes than the rest of society. To ask those with the least to pay for the problems that those with the most have created is just immoral, to ask the elderly to cut their SS while the rich refuse to give up their tax cuts (remember it's not even RAISING taxes, but letting the cuts expire to return to Clinton era levels), to say oil companies need subsidies from us while cutting money for education
EpistemicFusion 7 months ago
Apparently I can't post sites in comments so look up fallacy files, the nizkor project, & logical fallacies.info. To learn about political philosophy, google 'political philosophy internet encyclopedia of philosophy' where you can find great articles about liberalism, conservatism, socialism, you name it. The best philosophy site is the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, totally free & updated frequently.
EpistemicFusion 7 months ago
@RRCSMM They just haven't been proven to you because you feeble brain cannot comprehend it. That's why you run to socialism because they will do your thinking for you. All you have to do is work and support a doomed economic system. And if you don't work then you will be of no value. Then Fabian Socialists like George Bernard Shaw will take you away and discuss your value to society and very politely kill you. (watch?v=93eir00rOho)
Oh but your socialism would never do that. Right?
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM Birth Control? That's news to me. You guys have bankrupted Medicare and Social Security and when anyone suggests ways to try to make it more efficient to save it, you guys get your panties in a bind and say we are trying to kill old people. I would privatize every government give away program. It has been proven time and time again that government is too incompetent to run anything. Private industry will provide a better service for much less, like they always do.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM How are "mud holes" being stomped on anyone? Oh I know. We are not stealing enough money from the producers to give to those who didn't earn it.
Yes I would cut out tons of government programs out. I would strip it down to just what our constitution allows for. I would make people responsible for their own lives.
BTW there is not enough money in the world to end poverty, there never will be and if there was the money would be worthless. Study economics will ya???
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM Show me where Van Jones ever said that he was no longer a communist?
How do you level the playing field without redistributing wealth? It is the standard collectivist model. In the free market the playing field IS automatically level. What you consider leveling is equality of outcome and not equality of opportunity. Equality of outcome IS wealth redistribution it is also how prosperity and innovation is destroyed.
BTW our founders were against "leveling".
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM FASCISM!?!?!?! FASCISM!?!?!?! Fascism is a cousin to Socialism. I don't want ANY form collectivism. They all suck.
How do I know? Mussolini is considered the father of fascism, but Mussolini always considered himself a socialist. In the early 20th century he was one of the most intellectual socialists around. He only tweaked it a little to create fascism. Then his socialist buddies killed him.
I guess because you have lost the argument all you have to resort to is insults.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM Are you nuts!!! Socialism is directly responsible for the economic decline we are seeing in our country right now. It is what is destroying Europe. There is no economic or historic evidence EVER showing a socialist nation prospering in the long term.
Never at any time has the free market when most of the restrictions have been removed has not produced wealth and prosperity for EVERYONE. You really need to study history and economics because you are just plain wrong.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@RRCSMM NO YOU ARE NOT!!! You have been lied to, misinformed and are just plain wrong. I present you with a fact that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt is true and you tell me that I am wrong. You have no idea of how wrong you are.
I have asked you time and time again to do your own research but all you do is run to your tired old Socialist dogma. You don't check Fox's facts, you run to Media Matters and PolitiFact both of whom are so biased it makes my head spin.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
And the Rush and Beck trolls go wild :-)
johnny718bravo 8 months ago
I support Van Jones
johnny718bravo 8 months ago
The American Dream Movement. It has a nice ring to it.
Unfortunately the reality is that Van Jone's dream will be America's nightmare.
rltrchick 8 months ago
Did this idiot find out yet who did 911?
bananasong666 8 months ago
The next president. He is more real than Obama will ever be.
Innamoramento9 8 months ago
in a shift gear from the socialism/fascism argument, can we please acknowledge that most american's don't understand (and don't seem to care) what happens if we default on our debt. Irregardless, the misinformation campaign will linger (for those who pretend that they care but simply want to discredit Obama's accomplishments). Trust the silent voice of fact aside from the loud voices of discontent, a default of this country's debt will be a global catastrophe.
representative46 8 months ago
@TheVideosplease That phrase "limited government" is how you will eventually LOSE your voice in how this nation operates. "Of the People, By the People and for the People" is what will disappear if Libertarians take over. After that is all about the corporations.
robhoneycutt 8 months ago
Yea Van Jones just keeps spending the money because money is the answer to everything. It's sad that some people are gonna listen to this guy. He's about nothing but himself. Glenn Beck would crush Van Jones and his communist ways.
jocrack22 8 months ago
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angelusp777 8 months ago
Just another dirty socialist Provider to Moochers promising more and more Other People's Money for Democrat Votes.
What a mendoucheous twatwaffle, Van Jones. And guess what? Popeye HATED communists!
Serr8d 8 months ago
@Serr8d -Keep worshiping your Lord Glenn Beck and his racist lies about Van Jones White Power Racists like you will believe anything that Glenn Beck says about a Black Man.White Supremacists have been giving Van Jones death threats because of Becks fear mongering propaganda racist lies.
GLENN BECK FANS ARE MENTAL RETARDS!!!!!!!!
SuperBlackWoman1 8 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 Hey, no need to insult the mentally handicapped by calling them Glenn Beck fans. lol. I'm not sure how someone becomes a fan of someone so insane. Racism is alive and well in the deep south and that is where most of the Beck and Fox News fans seem to be. I know because I live here. As a white guy, I hear tons of racist terms used all the time by co-workers and people I come in contact with, who feel comfortable to let it all hang out I guess, and it is absolutely disgusting..
DarthMocha 8 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 I don't listen to Glenn Beck. I was posting on Van Jones long before Glenn Beck picked up that as an issue.
Van Jones is a moocher-enabler, and you are a moocher, if you take monies from Government coffers that you haven't earned. You and your sorts do not deserve Other People's Money just because you think you do. You are soft of character and weak of spine if you think 'Evil RICH! People' owe you a damned thing. Grow up.
Serr8d 8 months ago
@Serr8d
I don't understand this country's present obsession with communism. It has never been a prevalent force in American politics but rather a small radical minority. Your feeling threatened by an irrelevant political minority reflects your penetrability by right wing fear mongering. In other words...fear allows you to be easily influenced/ brainwashed.
electricalbananaa 8 months ago
@electricalbananaa Because there's people like Van Jones who've communist sympathies; and LeftLibProggs are cheering on Marxist principles. You don't know enough about Communism or Marx to even recognize it in the new far-Left Democratic party, do you?
Marx would be proud of Van Jones, Barack Obama and others leading the Democrats today, In fact, the Communists support Democrats. Just look at the iconography chosen my the #WiUnion supporters, the clenched fist. Google that under Wiki.
Serr8d 8 months ago
@Serr8d No, moron, you've obviously never studied Marx at all. A choice of a fist is not enough to support your assertion, we all have fists, it's a universal symbol. Van Jones is not even close to communist, & Obama might as well be a conservative, the way he caves on every issue to the Republicans, I just don't get it, you guys should love Obama.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion You are wrong. History: "The raised fist (also known as the clenched fist) is a salute and logo most often used by left-wing activists, such as: Marxists, anarchists, socialists, communists, pacifists, trade unionists, and black nationalists. The raised fist is usually regarded as an expression of solidarity, strength or defiance. It dates back to the salute of Rotfrontkämpferbund, a paramilitary organization of the Communist Party of Germany before World War II." Fits Dems, too
Serr8d 8 months ago
@Serr8d, Please spare me the conspiracy theorists definition, it's like the morons that say every single eye on anything is the eye of horus from the freemasons. Take off the tin foil hat & join the rest of humanity.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
the comment section is just people arguing with each other like usual.
aside from that, what a great speech, down right inspiring.
klowdz1 8 months ago
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pboisei 8 months ago 2
Anyone know where the whole thing is?
pboisei 8 months ago
16 fox viewers..
stay strong, mr. jones!
ginsengaddict 8 months ago
I want to like this 1 million times
Silents30 8 months ago 2
Go, Van!
TidesCommunity 8 months ago
Wow....inspirational!
ChuckyJesus666 8 months ago
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fchatter318 8 months ago
Sue Glenn Beck! Join A. Dunn, Joel Rogers and S. Sherrod for a class action slander lawsuit and make Glenn Beck a poor man!
TheGlennBeckReview 8 months ago
He is a great speaker and right on.
pammitty 8 months ago
actionmac, please explain exactly what you mean when you say:
1. "...he believes everything that he says".
2. " He is on the wrong side of history".
spankrobot 8 months ago
That debate would be amazing. Glen Beck would tear this ignorant, Communist, radical fool to shreds. Van Jones does know there is no affirmative Action in debates, right?
Djsketox2010 8 months ago
A moral movement? WTF? I want to know what his moral compass is. Who is this "us" he refers to? I'll bet he's 'on the down low' like Obama. I love the feigned humility at the end of his lame speech. You go girl.
Dustwitch 8 months ago
ron paul 4 president
JUANO510 8 months ago
Vann Jones, Obama's communist flunkie. Why does anybody still listen to this racist fool?
Bergertim 8 months ago
Scammers and schemers. He never really says exactly what he wants to do. Look it up - he is a fascist.
prhana 8 months ago
where is the full speech????
he starts by saying "now let me close"
where is the full speech
Van Jones is too good of a speaker to not post the full speech
ebent24 8 months ago
Creepy.Van Jones is a dangerous ,racebaiting idealogue who, along with others with the same sinister inten,t is trying to overthrow our system of government,economic system, and the US Constitution through this phoney,crackpot scheme of "green" jobs and a "green" economy.The American people are not falling for it.
Dustwitch 8 months ago
@Dustwitch [citation needed]
C0rvus 8 months ago
@Dustwitch Instead of whining and spreading lies that are obvious to anyone who is not severely retarded, why don't you ust STFU and move to Somalia if you hate government and taxes so much. Just think, the perfect Randroid Utopia. What are you waiting for?
VillemarMxO 8 months ago
Excellent speech Van. Don't expect to get a call from the merchants of hate like Beck. They are incapable of rationale reasoning. Their main goal is to keep the haters frothing at the mouth like rabid dogs, that's their only success. They are the loud minority, we outnumber them and that is what they are afraid of.
conchf 8 months ago
Van Jones is an American hero. If you can't tell that he is speaking for all Americans I feel sad for you. Those that think this is socialism should kill themselves. No more wasted breath on the willfully ignorant.
dprimetime69 8 months ago
This guy is a jackass
Johndubbya69 8 months ago
@Johndubbya69 only jackass is the person that would call a person that spoke as they heard Van Jones speak.
actionmac 8 months ago
@actionmac Please I have watched this man speak before... Stupid thing about him is that he believes everything that he says. He is on the wrong side of history and unfortunately for all you kool aid drinking zombies on the left you actually believe the lies this man spews... The people he talks about in the speech are where they are because of democratic policies
Johndubbya69 8 months ago
This boy is so uppity.
wilzyk 8 months ago
@wilzyk just dumb like your hero palin... ignorance is not bliss it's just ignorant.
actionmac 8 months ago
honestly...who here knows the difference between central planning and Communism?
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 ...can anyone tell the difference between Corporate Control and Fascism (National Socialism)?...
Will224000 8 months ago
@Will224000 one is a form of repressive Government that antagonized capitalism and communism because of jewish control, the other is a form of repressive economics that promotes plutocracy. If you want accuracy, we TOTALLY, live in a corporately controlled plutocratic system built by elites..
representative46 8 months ago
Van Jones is just plain creepy. Dontcha think? All Beck did was pull up the floorboards and shine a light on Jones and Anita Dunn and they scrambled like cockroaches.
There is no way they are going to get away with their redistribution wet dream for America. No way in hell.
Dustwitch 8 months ago
I never realized Communism was a value, let alone an American value. Mr. Jones you want to replace individual liberty and freedom with slavery. Let no one be fooled by your rhetoric, communism is slavery.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
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wilzyk 8 months ago
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wilzyk 8 months ago
What a piece of dog shit, Jones your a blow hard that has never done a damn thing. But, you do preach to the crazies.
TheImpeacher 8 months ago
This guy is all about inflammatory speech. He was pushed out when he tipped his communist hand. We are not, and never will be a communist nation.
And Glenn Beck, and many others would be happy to debate him. How about debating Hannity...or my favorite, Andrew Wilkow? Talk is cheap. Lets see some action.
SeaWolfe59 8 months ago
Commie bastard loser . nice lisp too Van jones
stabg289 8 months ago
Only good communist is a DEAD communist
HangProgressives 8 months ago
@HangProgressives Progressives not communists you moron, go take a long walk off a short bridge.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion There's a difference? Oh yeah I forgot Progressives also includes Socialists, Fascists, Nazis, Corporatists and all other statists, not just communists. Basically a Progressive is anyone who wants to take my right to decide for myself how I want to live my life.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty.... when did progressives become nazi's..? let alone fascists? jesus christ, I don't like the far left, but actually do some research before you categorize a group of people.
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 ..You need to do some research yourself on these people .
Dustwitch 8 months ago
@Dustwitch I don't reference demagoguery as a research. And technically speaking, fascism and Nazism are placed on the sharp right of the political diagram. It's not a liberal bias, it's common political science. Both represent a form of totalitarianism, fascism and nazism is a direct root to repressive militarism and police state, to acquire profit. Communism is communal acceptance to mutual sharing (it is often confused with Stalin's interpretation, which is taxed repression).
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 ...mmmkay...thanks for the response. Van Jones is a dangerous ,racebaiting idealogue who, along with others with the same sinister inten,t is trying to overthrow our system of government,economic system, and the US Constitution through this phoney,crackpot scheme of "green" jobs and a "green" economy.The American people are not falling for it.
Dustwitch 8 months ago
@Dustwitch dude, where are you getting the impression that Van Jones is trying to overthrow the American Government, the economic system, and the constitution? You do understand that this is the same crap that happens in politics, everyday. No one political party 'owns' the american government. Republicans and Democrats share that fault, they don't own the Government, and the fringe tries to delegitimize each other and their leaders to prove a point!
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 ..it is no longer business as usual,I'm afraid.
Dustwitch 8 months ago
@Dustwitch right, we have to come together to make sense out of this clutter of misinformation and crap. It's not just about Obama, or Paul Ryan, or Ron Paul. this country is going down the crap-hole because people no longer understand how the system works! I literally spent 8 hours of my life EXPLAINING nazism! fringe conservatives are largely uninformed, so are fringe Liberals, it's really scary. This country can't keep on working on stalemate and anger.
representative46 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty The problem is that I have done my homework. Compare Hitlers Nazi party platform to today current Democrat party platform. They are way too similar.
The problem with the Progressives is when Hitler's evil was exposed they all accused the American Right of being Nazis and it stuck. Prior to that the Progressives praised Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini.
Look it up. Progressives are all about a totalitarian regime that promises cradle to grave care.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty, please...enlighten us on how an american political party represents the same agenda that the nazi platform introduced in the late 30's? Or the Italian parliament, since the origin of fascism did reside in Italy?
representative46 8 months ago 4
@representative46 Really? In 500 words or less I am supposed to give you all the details. You need to do your own homework. Look it up yourself.
It's all there. From government health care to "Social Justice" the Nazis believed in it all. In fact in the 20's and 30's the American Nazi party published a newspaper titled, "Social Justice". That phrase still appears on the American Nazi party web sites.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty So.. you're telling me that the American Nazi party used the same slogan as the german nazi party...That is SUCH a huge development!!! Now how do Nazi's align themselves to either Democratic or Republican parties? You still haven't answered my question. The nationalization of healthcare, ''social justice,'' are simply slogans and political shifts (and technically speaking the nazi party would have simply nationalized those goods to white aryan citizens, killing non aryans
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 No. I'm telling you that the American Democrat party, the American Nazi party and the German Nazi party all use the same slogan and it all means the same thing.
Social Justice means taking by force of law from those who produce and giving to those who do not produce in the name of fairness. This is NOT an American value, it's not even a value, it's theft. It is also an unsustainable economic model. There is not enough money in the world to raise people out of poverty.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
dude, where the hell are you getting this? Nazism believed in racial superiority among whites! (apparently that sort of goes beyond the point, let's talks about social safety nets). After the great depression, congress passed legislation that re-allocated the powers of the States to the federal government to produce national social security and other safety nets to maintain the population from reaching poverty. Is your argument that congress was wrong to keep people out of abundant poverty?
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 I read it. That's where I get it. Nazism wasn't just about racial superiority. It is socialism...the National Socialist Workers Party to be exact. That is what the acronym translates to in English.
So when the Progressives (Hoover & FDR) turned a depression into the Great Depression they violated the Constitution by taking rights reserved to the states (10th Amendment) and created entitlements. This was to end the poverty they themselves created.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@representative46 You think Obama hasn't been nationalizing private organizations? GM, Chrysler, the major banks, healthcare (well not yet but Obamacare is designed to lead to that). This is just a start. The idea is to bring under government control finance, health, energy and transportation. Once they control that, they control us.
BTW Oil and food are headed towards nationalization next. They already have in place the ability to squash free speech on the internet under net neutrality.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty But dude, Obama hasn't nationalized banks or any private organization. He hasn't even nationalized health care!! The Affordable Care act is a massive expansion of private-care to the individual consumer. The only thing that is remotely Government controlled is the mandate (which is fucking wrong and unconstitutional) but it only works to keep private insurance marginally cheap. Is it government growth? sort of. Is it European? not even close.
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 Wow! We agree on something. The individual mandate IS unconstitutional. As far as nationalizing private industry have you not read the newspapers or listened to the news? The banks haven't gotten completely out from underneath the TARP debt and they are regulated to death
Obamacare was designed to destroy private healthcare so that Obama or whatever Progressive takes his place (Rep or Dem) will bring in a single payer system.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Regulated to death? Have you actually read what's in Dodd-Frank? When an entire industry holds a substancial amount of the nation's wealth and then fuck up and force tax-payers to bail them out, there have to be ramifications. Glass-Steagall was in place for the better part of the last century and the entire American economy grew, we can't have casino-banks. Also... 'designed to destroy private health-insurance'? By selling poor people private health insurance, really?
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 Dodd-Frank??? My goodness I bet that's a gotta be a bill made in hell. There are 2 congressmen who are directly responsible for the housing debacle. Guess who they are? Dodd and Frank should be in prison.
Progressives wouldn't know a good economy if it hit them in the face. Whenever we have an economic rebound it is IN SPITE of you guys not because of you guy. You don't understand the economy and the thing is it not that hard to understand.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Again with the progressive talk... What do you define as a progressive? What is so confrontational in valuing a committed and responsible financial sector. I don't want a Carter economy, or even a Reagan economy in that matter, I want to re-start a 50's-60's economic boom. AND YES THERE WAS REGULATION. Modern Republicans wouldn't know how to handle it because even the slightest talk of regulation scares them. I'm an Ike Eisenhower Republican, shame on you Reaganintes.
representative46 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty if you want to have an economic debate, let's have at it boss, I'm all game.
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 Nope. I'm done. I have too much studying to do to waste time telling a socialist just how idiotic their economic theories are. Just look in the real world. Countries where the individuals have more freedom are ALWAYS more prosperous. In Socialist countries were the markets are under tight controls and the people have less freedom are miserable places to live.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty dude, don't call me a socialist because you don't have anything else to say. I'm not trying to defend a broken system, but dammit the level of ignorance among MY OWN constituency is embarrassing. I don't want to sound flippant, but by your definition of 'freedom' are you seriously trying to imply that a pre-New Deal economy was more sound and prosperous than the post New Deal economy?
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 Fine. I won't call you a socialist if you'll stop defending it. What are you then, a Keynesian? That's not much better.
An hell yeah, the Harding/Coolidge era was a gazillion times better than anything pertaining to the New Deal. The New Deal is what turned a depression into the Great Depression. It spawned several generations of politicians thinking that they can spend us into oblivion because Keynes said they could. The money multiplier theory is a joke.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty 'money multiplier theory,' where do you get this stuff? Fuck yea the Harding and Coolidge eras were outstanding, everyone was spending their life away on technology, fashion, automobiles. Everyone loves to spend when there seems to be endless amount of credit. What happens when it runs out? Or there's a hiccup in spending? Everyone panics when they find out that they have no savings whatsoever only debt, as well as a loss of stock in the private sector due to bad investement
representative46 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Also, no shit sherlock, the individual mandate does not constitute completely with the Necessary and Proper Clause, which gives the Congress of The United States, though limited, the power- as stated in Article 1 Sec. 8- to implement ‘’laws…such as are necessary and proper.” While it is a congressional use of the elastic clause, the federal government still hasn't explained the power to tax an individual to purchase a good. States have with Driver's insurance.
representative46 8 months ago
@representative46 Yes the Necessary and Proper clause is what Progressives like to hide behind every time they have to violate the 9th & 10th Amendment and take more of our freedoms and rights away. The vagueness of that phrase is like a Christmas present to you tyrants.
I don't HAVE to drive a car, therefore, I don't HAVE to buy auto insurance. Under Obamacare I only have 4 options, buy insurance, be penalized under the law, die or move out of the country.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Those terms don't mean what fox news told you they mean, the only one that might apply to some progressives is socialist & despite what Glen Beck told you, communism & socialism are not the same thing. And corporatists, really? It's conservatives that base all their decisions around the desires of the corporations, corporations give the right way more money than the left, that's a fact. No one wants to tell you how to live your life as long as your not hurting people.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion I knew the difference between Communist and Socialist decades before I ever heard of Glenn Beck. BTW Glenn Beck appears to know the difference also. Regardless they are both Statists and that is slavery.
Yes Corporatists. Both Democrats and Republicans have created this Corporatist nightmare that is killing the Free Market. But Democrats more than Republicans are trying pick up the pieces with collectivism.
Collectivists are all about telling me what I can say, do or hear.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Then why equate the two when you know the difference? Doing so only makes you look ignorant. And sure, there are plenty Democrats that pander to corporations, but the numbers don't lie, it's the GOP that receives the lion's share of donations from corporations. And the choice between collectivism & individualism is a false dichotomy, did you make the computer you are using? Or the clothes on your back? It's impossible to be completely individualist. And you would find..
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion Because Socialism and Communism are more like twin brothers than complete strangers. They are not entirely different styles of government. They both value the collective over the individual. They both require central planners to make sweeping decisions that effect the individual. They both diminish or destroy property rights. They both make slaves working to support the oligarchy who are in control. And they both are unsustainable.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion I really don't care who has the greatest number of corporatists. I believe the greatest lie perpetrated on the citizenry is that there are more Repubs than Dems who support it. I think it is about even. It is the method that both parties use to get elected and stay in office. There is not one more guilty than the other. Most businesses who get kick backs from the government have contributed equally to both parties.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty You can think whatever you want but that doesn't mean what you think is correct, in fact it's not, the repubs get a significantly larger amount of money from corporations that the left, look it up. The main donors to dems are unions, that's why cons are so out to get them.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty that most progressive are more individualist than you think, no one would say they want to limit any freedom for social issues, unlike conservatives who want to tell women how what to do with their genitals, or tell real Americans that they can't serve their country because of their sexual preference, or tell people that they must adhere to an out-dated religion that does more harm than it does good.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion Yeah I hear a lot of hot air about individualism coming from the Progressives but they have never been able to deliver that. They have regulated business to the point that in order to survive they have left the nation. They are the root cause of outsourcing. They are the root cause of our manufacturing base being exported to China.
Wow! I've never heard of an infant referred to as "genitals" before. That's a stretch
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty "They'? The root cause of outsourcing is the drive to profit above all, it is CAPITALISM. It's because business aren't worried about fair wages or safe enviroments, they are worried about profit. You want to see what happens without goverment regulation, go to Mogadishu, Somalia, go ahead & try to drink the water there. And I'm not talking about infants, since 3 month old zygotes are not infants, at that point it is a womans body that you have no right to.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion "The root cause of outsourcing is the drive to profit " Yes it does have to do with profit. If it is no longer profitable to operate in the US then businesses will look outside of the US just to stay in business.
What is wrong with making a profit? Isn't that how you get a paycheck?
If a business cannot make a profit they begin lay off people until the business will finally collapse. And that seems to be the economic model that the Progressives inflict on business.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty So profit is more important than having clean water & air? It's more important than having a paycheck that is enough to actually sustain people instead of paying a person a dollar a day to work in a sweatshop? Nothing is 'wrong' with making a profit, but when that profit is held more important than our basic neccessities to survive, we ALL suffer. We ALL need clean water, safe food, good medicine, & safe sometimes equals more expensive. But its pay now or pay later!
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion "So profit is more important than having clean water & air?" What does making a profit have anything to do with clean water & air?
Where are the sweatshops in this country? Your precious collectivist utopia China is full of sweatshops where people are paid less then a dollar a day. All so the government can make a profit off the backs of the poor people who had the misfortune of being born there.
I want EVERYONE earning a profit because they are free to do so.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty You really are that naive? It's cheaper to dump in the ocean than to take care of waste responsibly, so they dump it in our lakes & oceans. It's cheaper to make food without testing for diseases, it's cheaper to sell water without testing it for infectants, so companies don't care about doing it, & pay people to make you think government regulation is bad. Or do you not care about getting cholera? Go drink the water in Mexico & tell me regulation is bad.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion Speaking of your collectivist utopia (ie China), who is the biggest polluter on this planet right now? Do you seriously thing that Socialism cares about the environment? Socialism doesn't even care about the people they enslave let alone the environment. Environmentalism is just a means to an end. Why are all environmentalist solutions anti business? It was never about protecting the environment, it is about destroying free enterprise.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Where do you get this moronic idea that those on the left like China? Progressives don't like what goes on in China any more than you do. You really have been brainwashed, you anthropomorphize ideas as if they were real people with desires. "Socialism' or 'Enviromentalism' don't 'want' anything. And it isn't about anit-business, it's about anti-killing people, but opf course you can't see that distinction. Do you have any original thoughts in that head of yours?
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion I was just rattling your cage. But you Progressives have tons more in common with China than this libertarian/conservative.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty So you say you are a libertarian, can I assume you've read Robert Nozick, right?
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion I am libertarian/conservative not a Libertarian. I did vote Libertarian last presidential election and I agree with a lot of the Libertarian positions but not all of them.
I haven't even heard of Robert Nozick let alone read him. I'm more into Milton Friedman, F. A Hayak, Thomas Sowell, Ludwig Von Mises and, yes, even Ayn Rand (except for the all that atheism stuff).
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty, Nozick put forth the most powerful defense of libertarianism ever in print, contra John Rawls liberalism espoused in 'A Theory of Justice". Then, a little more than a decade later, he renounced libertarianism & admitted it was seriously flawed. And that's funny, the atheism stuff is the only thing I agree with Ayn Rand about! Everything she stood for is immoral, she thought altruism itself is immoral. Helping people is immoral. IS that someone you really want to listen to?
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion I suppose people can lose 10 or 20 IQ points and go from libertarianism into modern liberalism (aka Progressivism). There is no system of govt that does not have flaws but I opt for the one that even with it's flaws offers the most liberty to the individual. And ya ain't gonna find that in Socialism, no way, no how.
I got into a discussion a Rand head a year or so ago and what he told me is that Rand's problem with altruism was forced altruism not voluntary. I agree with that
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty Your moronic comments show that you are not objective, you are brainwashed into demonizing the enemy, you have fallen for propaganda just like we saw in those societies you say you abhor so much. This is the 3rd red scare, re-neo-mcarthyism at it's finest. And really, you are using some dudes comment on a forum as your interpretation of a philosopher? Doesn't seem like you are to rigourus in your study of these subjects.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago
@EpistemicFusion No, I am agreeing with the concept that forced altruism is evil while voluntary altruism is good. If he represents Rand's philosophy on the subject then great. If he does not then I am at odds with Rand on that point.
Who's demonizing who? You've been bashing Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and Fox News ever since you started commenting. You have never watched or listened to any of them so you have no idea what you talking about.
HoldingOnToLiberty 8 months ago
@HoldingOnToLiberty And despite your snide insult, it is becaause of the inherent logical incoherence & complete immorality of libertarianism that Nozick rejected it. Not to mention is goes againt all of human history. Tell me, do you think cavemen would have been able to kill big game & grow crops without being altrustic, you think a lone caveman would have been able to be an 'individual' & survive on his own? Altrusim is what allowed us to step out of the caves & conquer the world.
EpistemicFusion 8 months ago