Teachers, Students and Parents Against Privatized Education Join Occupy Wall Street

[sickasso72]

PEOPLE...STOP PAYING INTO A SYSTEM WHICH WAS DESIGNED TO KEEP YOU DOWN.

[geefloyd46]

I'd like to know how many of the negative comments actually went to a public school or college that way they could at least testify how ineffective it was for educating them.

[jamesbondaygee]

Good job people!@@

[logtype47]

YES!!! Now were talking. I was hoping this leg of the movement would get active and make their presence known.

[djdnauk1977]

public schooling is not only proven to be totally inefficient but also a very propagandising... it also doesnt help that we make public schooling mandatory like a prison sentence for children...

end all public schooling, let people keep their money & make schooling private/competitive so that it becomes more effective & varied

if we still need a public-school safety net after that, fine, but youd be a moron to put your child into the states hands when you look at the history of schooling

[MoDans]

@djdnauk1977 It doesn't help your argument against Public Schooling when you leave an example of what I assume to be a Private School education, since you seem to hold a grudge against Public Education.

Some parents can't afford a Private Education or just don't want their children to be indoctrinated to a Faith-based education.

Some students refuse to learn and they are left behind for the sake of the majority of students, which might be the basis for your anger.

[djdnauk1977]

@MoDans these are all valid points!! im not advocating current private & publish schooling, private school isnt much use to the poor when everyone is forced to pay for public education anyway, as it means no one can afford private education but the rich... not to mention governments control private schools anyway, so theyre not really any different to public schools i agree on avoiding schools that favour religious indoctrination too.

my anger is due to forced schooling/governments ie: violence

[MoDans]

@djdnauk1977 Very understandable point. Violence is a factor that I had forgotten to consider since my experience was limited to occasional bullying. The threat of debilitating injury or possible death would be a huge factor in the ability to learn.

Have a great day.

[djdnauk1977]

@MoDans thanks for being a reasonable human modans :) what i want is a society that is voluntary, where people arent forced by violence to pay for government services, wars & corporatism... as soon as we allow that level of state control theyll just use it as an excuse to help the banks/corporations & hurt the people even more... the actions of the police at OWS prove the government are more concerned with their maintaining their control system than justice

[sickasso72]

@djdnauk1977 Im tired of paying out of fear and violence to promote more fear and violence. If everyone just stopped paying taxes you wouldnt need to be hitting the streets and camping out

[djdnauk1977]

@sickasso72 100% agree there, if people refused to pay taxes it would be much more effective & positive than street protests... OWS needs to focus on the states role in causing the economic collapse & ending the fed/central banking before anything positive will happen.

[imN0Ttheone]

Wow the teachers unions are backing the Occupests , imagine that .

[GetMeThere1]

I think of Blazing Saddles: "I" (crowd says "I"); "state your name" (crowd says "state your name") lol

[th86stone]

kids should not be there

[ItalianAvalanche]

@th86stone why not? aren't they affected by our government's decisions? arguably they are affected more than adults, because corporate entities try to sink their hooks into their brains as early as possible. and what could be more moving than the voices of angry children?

[th86stone]

@ItalianAvalanche For one they are under 18 for these issues to have a say, 2 these situations can and do get ugly at times. 3 hate, anger and disobedience will confuse the child to how they should handle things in their own lives(protesting mom and dad) and so many other issues. It just goes to show the irresponsible decision process that these people have. And makes one question their cognitive abilities.

[moktail]

I prefer not to pay for the indoctrination system. I won't use the service, therefore, can I keep my money?

[asperin]

@moktail

No you can't you capitalist pig! Bow down to the State! Pay pay pay!

[moktail]

@asperin But, but, isn't my time and labor, just that, mine? Am I not free to decide what to do with that earned from my own labor? And pig??? OMG!!!

Peace

[asperin]

@moktail

Your time and labor? But the the State's law enforcement and regulations allow you to have them. So pay retribution to your saviors...

The excuses are endless.

Statist teachers do not want to compete for a job, they're too comfortable getting inflated salaries for indoctrinating the youth.

[YourZabbas]

@moktail

And you would call what quiverfull parents or right wing ultra nationalists parenting the opposite of indoctrination?

[moktail]

@YourZabbas No. But at least other people wouldn't be paying for the indoctrination if they didn't want to.

[shaydm06]

@peymaania

u should have a bleach cocktail with that comment.

[whoo689]

I'm certainly no conservative, but even I recognize that perhaps there ARE some conventional modes of thought in public education that need to be seriously questioned, and you've gotta shake up the system. I mean, great. Protest budget cuts and shit but ALSO figure out how to do less with more (when possible) and find INNOVATIVE ways to better-teach children.

[whoo689]

Hell, even Western Europe has had some form of comprehensive school choice as one aspect for a while now, and their systems HARDLY have gone to hell. They test their kids, albeit in a much more comprehensive and focused way than dumbass legislation like NCLB requires.

[whoo689]

The best schools in Europe and Asia don't have bullshit like "gamifying" schools. They don't teach "balanced literacy" for reading but basic phonics and whathaveyou. They don't come up with crap like "constructivist" approaches to math that make no sense. Yes, schools should, to an extent, teach kids HOW to think critically, but in OTHER disciplines where there are clear answers like math, they're gonna have to teach the basics, too. The top-performing schools are also

[whoo689]

encouraging students to be competitive about their education and really buckle down, which is more than I can say about American public education, esp. from my own experience. The amount of bullcrap and stupid-ass 'worksheets' that were just fluff or even 'fun', including in the most mundane and basic of classes, is I think one reason why we're failing. IF you can find a way to make learning fun AND still gets to learn well, great. But don't take it so far that you forget the material matters.

[whoo689]

And the self-esteem nonsense has gotta go. You think the best schools in Asia and Europe teach their kids stuff like "You're all special"?? NO! Of course not. The kids EARN self-esteem by being good people and good students. They achieve and set goals for themselves. Let's face it: most American public K-12 (and to an extent universities) schools are pretty fucking easy by global standards. They set the bar WAY too low (whoever that may be).

[whoo689]

I hate to break it to you younguns, but you're NOT all special. Some of you might grow up to complete morons who decide to drop out for dumb reasons and then regret it later. Some might end up working at fast food for much of their life cuz they made bad choices early on. That's just how life goes. Some might just idiots in general or not that smart and may have to lower their career standards a bit.

[whoo689]

Some might be generally bad people when they grow up who have very little conscience or moral fiber.

[whoo689]

Telling EVERYONE they're 'special' and worthy of praise really lowers expectations too much. It also could generate a sense of entitlement in some kids that's far from deserved.

[eethry]

@whoo689 Well from your hundred comment rant I'm guessing your problem with the education system is kids think they're special and how they teach.  How they teach is another issue then schools being funded, and what's wrong with telling a kid his a human being so later on he'll be able to interpret that as I'm not going to be run over by anybody. That's what our Constitution is about.

Teachers have been saying this for years, we need to teach kids how to think not test them to death.

[icky8vicky]

@whoo689 Some of the schools that have taken another look at their approach here in the states found out that money has nothing to do with a better education. In fact, those schools now have children performing much better, and with less money going to the school.

[whoo689]

Now, I'm not saying that school choice and other 'market' or accountability-like programs are the end-all be-all for education, but I think SOMETHING needs to be done to shape up our public schools.  I mean, these people can't REALLY believe doing the same thing they've done for decades now that's led to such a shitty school system in the last 40 years or so and just throwing more money at it or taking piecemeal approaches will solve it... can they?

[whoo689]

I mean, WHO are they chanting and repeating shit to?? The administrators of that school? The state and local gov't? I don't get it. It seems like just a cheap and easy way to get media coverage.

[ArcticSlicer]

@whoo689 The police have forbidden the use of Megaphones so the audience repeats the speaker so that their message can be heard.

[whoo689]

And enough with the dumbass chants. That's one thing I'll never get about left-wing chants that right-wing protests, thankfully, don't have (even though the right-wing ones suck more). Why do they feel such a need to incessantly chant and repeat what some 'leader' says like mindless sheep? Jeez

[whoo689]

You know, it's kind of hilarious how the same people who are so against the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan (or even the IDEA of military occupation) are so willing to use THAT SAME WORD (or its root, at least) to describe their own movement. Irony?

[whoo689]

Alright... Enough with the "occupy" word for EVERY place. Jesus fucking Christ, it's getting a little annoying. Come up with a better name for these sub-movements.

[FAPPpublications]

D.O.E. = Dead off Entertainment

[AZstarwatcher]

Government schools will always fail. It boggles my mind that people invest 9 months into growing a kid but won't spend two hours a day homeschooling.

[PuddingProof1]

Bump

[PURAHOUSEDERESTREPO]

Central governance of education is the reason why education is so bad, people don't have an option to choose a different way to learn, everyone learns differently many don't have the patience and attention span to listen to a teacher for over an hour, many learn on their own like i do. Others learn more through the internet or many can't simply get their point across in a classroom and don't have the chance to get the teachers attention.

[PURAHOUSEDERESTREPO]

@PURAHOUSEDERESTREPO If you let the market give people options, they will have a more hands on education with individuals that understand how they learn. Taxpayers will also save millions on education spending that doesn't work( Roughly 20,000 per student. In urban areas their will be a huge amount of private institutions that will render their services for a very cheap price. Supply and demand will work its magic, education will become cheaper then ever, then you will notice true change.

[CommissarRed]

@PURAHOUSEDERESTREPO If what you say is true then why is it that every time and in every nation that privatises its education standards across the board collapse?

[NeatNetwork]

Education for all!

[flownthecoopwithfnm]

The woman who started speaking at 3:30 called us a democracy, failed, we are a Republic.

[BoredomCorner]

@peymaania Stop reading Mein Kampf.

[FriedDaisy]

The average viewer’s comments show how successful the profiteer’s bamboozlement of the masses has been. As they’ve applied their private for profit business model to EVERYTHING-- becoming as obscenely rich as they wish--.they’ve used their corporate media to coach the people into blaming each other, instead of the profiteers, for the cannibalization & devastation of their local communities. Meanwhile the profiteer's gated communities & well funded schools look nothing like the rest of America.

[WickedMo13]

Just wait till Bill Gates is done raping the living shit out of the public school system. Its gonna get really really bad! Yeah how the hell did Bill Gates all of a sudden get to dictate the direction of public schools??? I have no fucking idea! This shit is insane!

[dabigez357]

Public ed is propaganda n brainwashing

[BoredomCorner]

@dabigez357 Private ed is even more so, plus you have to pay a fortune for the privilege.

[TripleSpeak]

Wow, another propaganda piece from TRN. You really have to stop doing what the media has always done w/the educrats: Take their word w/o listening to opposing sides. I'm more "liberal" than any of the robocommissars who currently occupy "our" schools. They are grossly overpaid for 9 mos. of "work" that does more harm than good, they care nothing about kids or parents.

They care about their wallets & those parents in this crowd care about losing their babysitters.

Abolish educratation.

[BoredomCorner]

@TripleSpeak You would be more credible if you learned how to speak English.

[TripleSpeak]

@BoredomCorner Using words too big for you? Are you an educrat?

[SandCmpbll]

@TripleSpeak YOU'RE RESPONSE IS LIVING PROOF OF WHY WE NEED TO IMPROVE OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM.

ABOLISH IGNORANCE, NOT EDUCATION.

[TripleSpeak]

@SandCmpbll You must be an educrat. Keep using all caps. It makes you look like the emotional midget/bully that you are.

[usergently]

Are you listening Barry?

[BoredomCorner]

@usergently Barry? Who is Barry?

[usergently]

@BoredomCorner "Barry Soetoro a.k.a. Barack Obama".

[Iammram]

These people protesting privatization because they can't have competition or have a threat to their unionized positions ( or the unions themselves )

Abolish the Department Of Education. It was wrong to put it in in the first place and the stats & the spending ( billions ) put into it shows how f-ed up it's been.

[usergently]

@Iammram Google: Education in America-Rockerfeller.

[AntiSchiff]

There's a mistake in the description.

[clockworksackboy]

people need to wake up, public education has never been about teaching people to think, it has been about dumbing down people. giving them IN FORMATION teaching them to jump at the sound of a bell rewarding them with little gold stars and other pointless trinkets of paper.

there are two simple words, Quadrivium, Trivium. forget the education system it serves others interests, serve your own interests, serve your community and teach each other how to think, rather then what to think.