Poor Jacky O. No one ever thinks of her. Imagine your spouse's head exploding right in your face, and then you find yourself looking into the top of their head. Some say she was retrieving a piece of the President's head. But I think she just wanted the hell out of that limo; and the Secret Service agent stopped her.
if look at whats going on with the driver in this footage it tells the story so far as a conspiracy is concerned ... i hate conspiracy nuts too but in this case its true. Minimum of 2 gunmen mean's a conspiracy took place.
thanks for posting, you can see alot of added dimensions here, I think the most damning is not frame 313 but frame 316, i believe it shows the second shot from the knoll, because the initial shot comes from behind and pushes him forward and brain matter goes up and forward then at 316 you can see another impact and brain matter going more to the left and rear of kennedy from a shot from the front which matches eyewitness testimony
@ahidel Agreed. This is also supported by the Muchmore film which also depicts the same timing here, but more importantly was unknown to FBI till a week later, by which time it had already been aired on a local tv station.
@ahidel No one thinks zapruder was a hoax. But is it outside the realm of possiblity that official footage released for public consumption has been altered? Go and look at some of the wikileaks just to see what this govt is capable of.
Zapruder had 3 copies made within hours of the assassination . The genie was out of the bottle and any attempts to fake his film would have 3 times the impossible task .
Of course when tests reveiled that it's completely within the realm of physics for JFK's head to snap towards the shooter from behind conspiracy theorists clean up squad had to do some serious backpeddling to make up for their blunders !
@cdddraftsman "Of course when tests reveiled that it's completely within the realm of physics for JFK's head to snap towards the shooter from behind conspiracy theorists clean up squad had to do some serious backpeddling to make up for their blunders !"
That is a good thought. The problem I have, if you're assertion is true, why did his snap back to his left, instead of straight back or to the right as to coincide with Oswald's location?
I found a bullet on the roof of the Dallas Administration Bldg. about a month ago. It was fired from this particular rifle: The M-1 .30 caliber carbine had an effective range of 100 yards while the Springfield M19103A4 rifle had an effective range of 300 yards. Thus both weapons would have readily found their prey in the kill zone of Dealey Plaza. Our Army was nevertheless disappointed in these weapons because neither weapon succeeded in producing a completely silenced shot.
too bad M. Muchmore handed over the ORIGINAL footage!ofcourse this was in the 60's and getting a copy of an original amateurfilm was not cheap and slow.nowadays in the DIGITAL enviroment:NEVER EVER give your original pix or footage nor the original memory card or stick! if you take photos/video of "extreme original" situations...my advise:keep calm...go home and make a copy on a BLANK and BRAND NEW memorydevice and hand this out to the police or any other authorities.
@PSFlyer I.M.O. there are no frames missing from this 16 Frames/Second film but...somebody took out temp.some couple of frames to put these in a photo enlarger device to make some enlarged prints for investigation/newspaper purpose.afterwards they (very badly!!) put back them frames in the original film.
Maria muchmore sayd that the fbi had taken the footage, yet when it was returned 2 mounths later some frames were missing, but look at the reactions of the men on the stairs. they turn imidiately arround and run up the stairs, after the gunman
Exactly where James Files was standing when he took the shot, a split second after Nicoletti fired fro the records building with the 30-06 that ripped through Kenedy.
Just went to the spot were JFK was assassinated, and even though the trees that were supposed to "block the view" weren't there in 1963, it wouldn't matter. Just having gone through basic training, I could've pulled those shots off. the spot in the grassy knoll were it was supposed to have happened required someone to stand on another's shoulders. The "magic bullet" is explained by their seating, which wasn't one in front of another, at the same length. it was def. an open and shut case.
The thing with Jim Garisson is that he's the left side of the media. He said exactly y he had gotten shot and who was behind it but it was so hard to believe and with the right side media saying the opposite he was just ridiculed, Reverse psychology my friend.
I don't think it was the drain...it's slightly ridiculous, as well as proven practically impossible. There was a shooter on the knoll, I'm sure of it, but the drains...nah. The evidence just doesn't fit.
everyone should watch "Rush to Judgement" & "Two Men in Dallas" and also "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" make sure you get the banned chapters of TMWKK. The rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 MAUSER look it up.
If the Zapruder film was "altered" exactly when did they stage this elaborate re-enactment and how did they get so many people to participate? Who's the guy getting killed in the altered version? And, at the end of the day, why were all these conspiritors so bent on hiding the fact that there were two shooters? They could just as easily taken out both Oswald and another guy. Instead they decided to alter one films using technology that would not be invented for many years.
@beeharbour It is almost impossible you are this obtuse. What case is being made for a re-enactment?.
You're right, killing two assassins is nearly as easy as killing one. IF THAT'S YOUR PLAN. If instead, your plan is to have NO CONSPIRACY, then any rumors or proof of a second shooter are a threat to that plan.
Once there's a conspiracy, people start looking everywhere for additional participants. Not good, if you're trying to get away with it.
The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy, speaks of the Storm Drain Theory
In 1997, an experiment proved that the assassination could have happened via storm drain, (msg me for citations)
Interesting was evidence a Remington XP-100 handgun w silencer was the CIAs choice weapon at the time; a weapon very easily concealed and usable from the storm drain
I don't care who speaks of the storm drain. I want imperical evidence, such as: The storm drain photos you referenced showed that someone standing at the X location was not visible from the drain... not until the frame Z361 loation. Doesn't that sort of blow the whole theory? Ignoring that, I think it's pretty clear, even with an unbrella signal, there were only a couple seconds for sighting and no garantee JFK would even be in the right position. The 16" pipe is a very, very slow escape route.
But in the final analysis, I believe America went off the track with JFK; and, because Americans rolled over on the JFK investigation, (eg, failed to support Jim Garrison), deep government then knew it could do anything: Including 911
I agree. The powers that be, clearly were not interested in revealing the truth. I think it's as important to eliminate the false conjectures in the Warren Commission Report as in the various theorists conjectures with faulty logic in them. I think that within the CT community there's a sort of mutual support of one another's' ideas that results in myopic vision, an intentional dumbing-down lest a critical eye be turned toward your own theories. In such an environment, truth will stay hidden.
You make an extraordinary point for critical thinking
Rockefeller & Dewey used the philosophies of Hegel & Wundt to create a US ed sys that would create a "passive student body that readily adheres as a cog in the wheel of society"
Trotsky & Marx also used the philosophy of Hegel & Wundt to create communism
Now American minds are bankrupted; taught to rote memorize frivolous factoids instead of critical thinking & solution design
I-talked to Bush about the driver or front seat passenger doing it BEFORE it happened & it's pretty unlikely they'd be so casual or open but look at 911 & the Pentagon then & maybe they were so utterly cocky & confidant to 'FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME' that that's how they did it? I've now seen film which showing driver did it & film proving he didn't... That doesn't change Bush-senior describing word for word Bobby Kennedy's murder in the hotel kitchen 11-days before it happened...
It seems the so-called Grassy Knoll is actually to the upper right, (and very slightly anterior to the vehicle) at the moment of the fatal shot
Don't forget to account for the fact JFK was wearing a back brace that was keeping him propped up, (had he not worn it, he would have lived by falling down into the seat; rather than being propped up by the brace)
There was at least one shot to windshield as well
Anyone on idea of shooter in the roadside storm drain?
Sugarpuddin.."Anyone on idea of shooter in the roadside storm drain? "
I was just looking at Dealey Plaza on Google Maps. You can clearly see the storm drain in the Satellite View. In the Street View you can look all around. It seems that there's an "X" marked on the pavement where JFK was when the second shot was fired, comparing that to these films. That angle from the storm drain in the curb to the limo seems very oblique. Achieving a head shot from that angle doesn't make sense.
Sugarpuddin... The storm drain opening is only about six inches tall and the top of the slot is the slab ceiling of the drain box. The "X" is about 80 feet from there, but you would need to have your right shoulder to the drain opening, have your entire rifle practically IN the opening to be aiming up that way, and I have strong doubts there would be room for your head under the slab with the rifle aimed up at the X location. You wouldn't have as much time as Oswald did to sight your target.
Rather, a video showed how easy it was to walk into it from the river; and how there was plenty of room in there for sniper; and how the angle allowed for a shot at Kennedy
Either way, 911 should have taught the USA two things:
1) They made a huge mistake not resolving Kennedy, (& supporting Jim Garrison)
2) Nixon didn't have to resign, (Bush proved the Pres is above the Constitutional Law in a practical sense)
Puddin..I saw the video of the guy going into a large storm drain outlet. Could be THE one in the Trinity basin. I grew up in Dallas, was there that day, doesn't make me special, but as a kid, did my share of sewer crawling. That ten foot dia pipe, by the time it's being fed by a curb drain box is 24 inches in diameter and could be that size for some distance. I had no problem crawling through them at 13, but it's really rough for an adult, especially with something like a scoped carbine along.
Puddin.. An adult crawling through a 24 inch pipe is on knees and elbows with back scraping the top of the pipe. There isn't quite enough room to get your upper arm or upper leg perpendicular to what you're crawling on, so limb movement is very limited, progress torturous, which means you can't crawl fast, the rifle would have to be slung under your belly. I bet the guys who estimated Storm Drain To River in 20 minutes didn't actually TRY it. I've heard of the policeman. Who knows? Many stories.
Puddin. I just Googled "Dealey Plaza storm drain" and found this article about an attempt to crawl through the pipe that leads out of the drain box. The pipe is 16" dia, according to the article. Check it out:
What kills me is that 'Theorists' like Jack Brazile, "The Sewer Theorist" have been popping in and out of that hole for, what? a decade or more? Did he NEVER look at that 16 inch pipe and think about where it went and whether you could actually get through it? They prove that you can fit in the box with a rifle, never tried to sight through the slot, never pictured getting the rifle out through the pipe. At least they don't talk about these bothersome details, just that the rifle 'fits'. Cool!
Puddin.. one last thing. I found a Dallas Water Management plan with the Dealey Storm Drain System. The drain in question is in line with five others crossing those three converging streets in Dealey. They're plumbed, probably three on each side, to feed into a larger main that flows toward the river. The main has other drains flowing into it further along, does a dog-leg and dumps into the river basin about a mile away. Look what one afternoon's dig turned up while 'theorists' sit and wonder.
She said she was fixated on the piece of skull she saw flying onto the trunk, and Clint Hill also said she was reaching for a piece of brain or skull falling off the end of the car. She didn't remember getting out though, that's true. Probably was in too much shock.
This is no true. This was suggested in a recent special on TV where they recreated the entire scene to the precise measurement and fired at a replica of JFK's head. One of the guys in that show *suggested* after a fragment of the fake head landed on the trunk that this may have been what Jackie was after. That's the first I've ever heard of that BS.
It was "suggested" in a TV special that Jackie climbed onto the back to pick up a bone fragment b/c SA Clint Hill wrote it in his official report of the Dallas Trip. He wrote, "Mrs. Kennedy shouted, 'They've shot his head off,' then turned and raised out of her seat as if she were reaching to her right rear toward the back of the car for something that had blown out."
In Zapruder you can clearly see she reaches and, on her own, before SA Hill is on the trunk, she is getting back in her seat.
Enough with stupid comments, the three films do not match. It's obvious that the films were altered. It so clear, look at the Muchmoore film, you will see a spray of blood at the REAR of JFK's head.
I agree that the films do not match. Watch SA Hill reaching for the rear handrail. He's on it on one video but is still reaching for it in another. Could just be poor timing on the cameras' part.. Could be something more sinister.
Zapruder's film was at the CIA film lab the weekend of the assassination. FOIA documents inadvertently released evidence of that in the 80's.
The released work order requested 1 Test Print (or Master Copy) & 3 Copies.
Yes, it is too bad that the Muchmore photographer wasn't standing right alongside the street. That way, much more evidence could be made of the shooting. It begs the question, why is Muchmore shooting his camera so far from the street? Did Muchmore get confused as to the parade route, and stand along the wrong street? Muchmore is so far away. Gawd, if only Muchmore could have been closer to Elm Street!
I think Muchmore (who was a woman, by the way) wanted to see the motorcade twice--once when it turned off main onto Houston Street, and again as it drove off down Elm... Consequently, she was standing close to Houston to begin with.
Nice shot!
KINGJADEX 1 week ago
Gotta give props to the guy who just stud there and filmed the whole thing while shooting was going on.
bonecrusher6965 1 month ago
Poor Jacky O. No one ever thinks of her. Imagine your spouse's head exploding right in your face, and then you find yourself looking into the top of their head. Some say she was retrieving a piece of the President's head. But I think she just wanted the hell out of that limo; and the Secret Service agent stopped her.
frankdrebin 4 months ago
if look at whats going on with the driver in this footage it tells the story so far as a conspiracy is concerned ... i hate conspiracy nuts too but in this case its true. Minimum of 2 gunmen mean's a conspiracy took place.
ccc771 8 months ago
look above the governors head on the bottom right screen on frame 312.
sk8rking1234 9 months ago
@sk8rking1234 what is it?
AlexWeirdoP 9 months ago
Muchmore top left ( frame 329 equiv.)
Man in red shirt pulls out gun and fires off knoll steps
and all 3 men run. Better on other you tube
videos larger. Use your stop start button.
Will amaze you.
frankzakzak 10 months ago
This is good setup
ComposerJMA 1 year ago
thanks for posting, you can see alot of added dimensions here, I think the most damning is not frame 313 but frame 316, i believe it shows the second shot from the knoll, because the initial shot comes from behind and pushes him forward and brain matter goes up and forward then at 316 you can see another impact and brain matter going more to the left and rear of kennedy from a shot from the front which matches eyewitness testimony
desertsky69 1 year ago
Yeah, and the conspiracy nuts think the Zapruder film is a fake. then all these films must be fakes. get real.
ahidel 1 year ago
@ahidel Agreed. This is also supported by the Muchmore film which also depicts the same timing here, but more importantly was unknown to FBI till a week later, by which time it had already been aired on a local tv station.
paraconti 1 year ago
@ahidel No one thinks zapruder was a hoax. But is it outside the realm of possiblity that official footage released for public consumption has been altered? Go and look at some of the wikileaks just to see what this govt is capable of.
bestdayz11 1 year ago 2
On the upper left video and the Nix video you can clearly see how the people on the stairs reacted to the shots: they runned on the grassy knoll.
vsv23te 1 year ago
did the limo slow down before the head shot ?
optionsupdate 1 year ago
@optionsupdate Yes, and perhaps came to a complete stop.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
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cdddraftman 1 year ago
James Files is not only a police murderer and a incredible liar he's an incredibly bad liar .
Why accuse LBJ in the 60's and GHWB in the 2000's ?
Vietnam and Iraq of course .
JFK assassination isn't about who killed that 'Irish Mobster' it's about who much illogical hatred you can spread !
Another JFK No-Brainer eh ?
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Zapruder had 3 copies made within hours of the assassination . The genie was out of the bottle and any attempts to fake his film would have 3 times the impossible task .
Of course when tests reveiled that it's completely within the realm of physics for JFK's head to snap towards the shooter from behind conspiracy theorists clean up squad had to do some serious backpeddling to make up for their blunders !
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
@cdddraftsman "Of course when tests reveiled that it's completely within the realm of physics for JFK's head to snap towards the shooter from behind conspiracy theorists clean up squad had to do some serious backpeddling to make up for their blunders !"
That is a good thought. The problem I have, if you're assertion is true, why did his snap back to his left, instead of straight back or to the right as to coincide with Oswald's location?
bikeguy1986 1 year ago
I found a bullet on the roof of the Dallas Administration Bldg. about a month ago. It was fired from this particular rifle: The M-1 .30 caliber carbine had an effective range of 100 yards while the Springfield M19103A4 rifle had an effective range of 300 yards. Thus both weapons would have readily found their prey in the kill zone of Dealey Plaza. Our Army was nevertheless disappointed in these weapons because neither weapon succeeded in producing a completely silenced shot.
dallasroofer 2 years ago
the shot was from the rear
MrSwoofyd 2 years ago
on the nix film you can see someone crouching behind the wall he has something in his hands
gud11man 2 years ago
It appears to be a man sitting on the roof of a station-wagon holding a camera or rifle
tarkus223 2 years ago
too bad M. Muchmore handed over the ORIGINAL footage!ofcourse this was in the 60's and getting a copy of an original amateurfilm was not cheap and slow.nowadays in the DIGITAL enviroment:NEVER EVER give your original pix or footage nor the original memory card or stick! if you take photos/video of "extreme original" situations...my advise:keep calm...go home and make a copy on a BLANK and BRAND NEW memorydevice and hand this out to the police or any other authorities.
BOYCOT4YT 2 years ago
@PSFlyer I.M.O. there are no frames missing from this 16 Frames/Second film but...somebody took out temp.some couple of frames to put these in a photo enlarger device to make some enlarged prints for investigation/newspaper purpose.afterwards they (very badly!!) put back them frames in the original film.
BOYCOT4YT 2 years ago
i believe some aspects of the zupruder film has been altered to suport the warren commisions claim of shooter from the back.
pravitchoonit068 2 years ago
babushka lady
blisteringcold 2 years ago
Crazy how on frame 314 of the top left film goes out at the headshot
racerzeke 2 years ago
@racerzeke i wonder too why the film "broke" just AT THIS FRAME.
BOYCOT4YT 2 years ago
Maria muchmore sayd that the fbi had taken the footage, yet when it was returned 2 mounths later some frames were missing, but look at the reactions of the men on the stairs. they turn imidiately arround and run up the stairs, after the gunman
PSFlyer 2 years ago
Exactly where James Files was standing when he took the shot, a split second after Nicoletti fired fro the records building with the 30-06 that ripped through Kenedy.
jkfmurdersolved Nothing left for Bush Sr to hide.
burlbark 2 years ago
How did you get multiple videos on one screen?
jedimaster1122 2 years ago
With an application to manage animations. "Ulead Gif Animator". It was so difficult.
tarkus223 2 years ago
Just went to the spot were JFK was assassinated, and even though the trees that were supposed to "block the view" weren't there in 1963, it wouldn't matter. Just having gone through basic training, I could've pulled those shots off. the spot in the grassy knoll were it was supposed to have happened required someone to stand on another's shoulders. The "magic bullet" is explained by their seating, which wasn't one in front of another, at the same length. it was def. an open and shut case.
JHalpert84 2 years ago
u can c in fr 316, gov C
lookin 2 make sure dat he hit his target.
watch his eyes.
yep, all planned by the feds
Oswald is a patsy.
reginaron 2 years ago
he doesnt even look backwards in that frame
djnsports05 2 years ago
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JustOffer 2 years ago 11
@JustOffer I don't people like you becoming the future role models and educators of our future.
ert94464isback 5 months ago
@ert94464isback this comment of mine was really old and now i think that i was very stupid on these days. sorry for my idiotness.
JustOffer 4 months ago
The thing with Jim Garisson is that he's the left side of the media. He said exactly y he had gotten shot and who was behind it but it was so hard to believe and with the right side media saying the opposite he was just ridiculed, Reverse psychology my friend.
Watch Zeitgeist Addendum.
REVOLUTION!!
brealdownthewall 2 years ago 2
yeah, and the homosexual thrill kill part fit in this, how?
JHalpert84 2 years ago
US did this
insideMan1981 2 years ago
I don't think it was the drain...it's slightly ridiculous, as well as proven practically impossible. There was a shooter on the knoll, I'm sure of it, but the drains...nah. The evidence just doesn't fit.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
everyone should watch "Rush to Judgement" & "Two Men in Dallas" and also "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" make sure you get the banned chapters of TMWKK. The rifle found on the 6th floor was a 7.65 MAUSER look it up.
themeaningoflife38 3 years ago 2
If the Zapruder film was "altered" exactly when did they stage this elaborate re-enactment and how did they get so many people to participate? Who's the guy getting killed in the altered version? And, at the end of the day, why were all these conspiritors so bent on hiding the fact that there were two shooters? They could just as easily taken out both Oswald and another guy. Instead they decided to alter one films using technology that would not be invented for many years.
beeharbour 3 years ago
@beeharbour It is almost impossible you are this obtuse. What case is being made for a re-enactment?.
You're right, killing two assassins is nearly as easy as killing one. IF THAT'S YOUR PLAN. If instead, your plan is to have NO CONSPIRACY, then any rumors or proof of a second shooter are a threat to that plan.
Once there's a conspiracy, people start looking everywhere for additional participants. Not good, if you're trying to get away with it.
OneVoiceMore 1 year ago
it was the "photographer" and the lady in the red dress
devoydisme 3 years ago
The Radical Right and the Murder of John F. Kennedy, speaks of the Storm Drain Theory
In 1997, an experiment proved that the assassination could have happened via storm drain, (msg me for citations)
Interesting was evidence a Remington XP-100 handgun w silencer was the CIAs choice weapon at the time; a weapon very easily concealed and usable from the storm drain
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
I don't care who speaks of the storm drain. I want imperical evidence, such as: The storm drain photos you referenced showed that someone standing at the X location was not visible from the drain... not until the frame Z361 loation. Doesn't that sort of blow the whole theory? Ignoring that, I think it's pretty clear, even with an unbrella signal, there were only a couple seconds for sighting and no garantee JFK would even be in the right position. The 16" pipe is a very, very slow escape route.
satweavers 3 years ago
I think you make some great points
But in the final analysis, I believe America went off the track with JFK; and, because Americans rolled over on the JFK investigation, (eg, failed to support Jim Garrison), deep government then knew it could do anything: Including 911
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
I agree. The powers that be, clearly were not interested in revealing the truth. I think it's as important to eliminate the false conjectures in the Warren Commission Report as in the various theorists conjectures with faulty logic in them. I think that within the CT community there's a sort of mutual support of one another's' ideas that results in myopic vision, an intentional dumbing-down lest a critical eye be turned toward your own theories. In such an environment, truth will stay hidden.
satweavers 3 years ago
sat
You make an extraordinary point for critical thinking
Rockefeller & Dewey used the philosophies of Hegel & Wundt to create a US ed sys that would create a "passive student body that readily adheres as a cog in the wheel of society"
Trotsky & Marx also used the philosophy of Hegel & Wundt to create communism
Now American minds are bankrupted; taught to rote memorize frivolous factoids instead of critical thinking & solution design
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
I-talked to Bush about the driver or front seat passenger doing it BEFORE it happened & it's pretty unlikely they'd be so casual or open but look at 911 & the Pentagon then & maybe they were so utterly cocky & confidant to 'FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME' that that's how they did it? I've now seen film which showing driver did it & film proving he didn't... That doesn't change Bush-senior describing word for word Bobby Kennedy's murder in the hotel kitchen 11-days before it happened...
BOREDUMBAS 3 years ago
It seems the so-called Grassy Knoll is actually to the upper right, (and very slightly anterior to the vehicle) at the moment of the fatal shot
Don't forget to account for the fact JFK was wearing a back brace that was keeping him propped up, (had he not worn it, he would have lived by falling down into the seat; rather than being propped up by the brace)
There was at least one shot to windshield as well
Anyone on idea of shooter in the roadside storm drain?
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
Sugarpuddin.."Anyone on idea of shooter in the roadside storm drain? "
I was just looking at Dealey Plaza on Google Maps. You can clearly see the storm drain in the Satellite View. In the Street View you can look all around. It seems that there's an "X" marked on the pavement where JFK was when the second shot was fired, comparing that to these films. That angle from the storm drain in the curb to the limo seems very oblique. Achieving a head shot from that angle doesn't make sense.
satweavers 3 years ago
Sugarpuddin... The storm drain opening is only about six inches tall and the top of the slot is the slab ceiling of the drain box. The "X" is about 80 feet from there, but you would need to have your right shoulder to the drain opening, have your entire rifle practically IN the opening to be aiming up that way, and I have strong doubts there would be room for your head under the slab with the rifle aimed up at the X location. You wouldn't have as much time as Oswald did to sight your target.
satweavers 3 years ago
sat
I wasn't clever enough to think of it myself
Rather, a video showed how easy it was to walk into it from the river; and how there was plenty of room in there for sniper; and how the angle allowed for a shot at Kennedy
Either way, 911 should have taught the USA two things:
1) They made a huge mistake not resolving Kennedy, (& supporting Jim Garrison)
2) Nixon didn't have to resign, (Bush proved the Pres is above the Constitutional Law in a practical sense)
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
Puddin..I saw the video of the guy going into a large storm drain outlet. Could be THE one in the Trinity basin. I grew up in Dallas, was there that day, doesn't make me special, but as a kid, did my share of sewer crawling. That ten foot dia pipe, by the time it's being fed by a curb drain box is 24 inches in diameter and could be that size for some distance. I had no problem crawling through them at 13, but it's really rough for an adult, especially with something like a scoped carbine along.
satweavers 3 years ago
Very interesting to hear
There was also some witnesses who suggested a case for a sniper being dressed as a policeman; and in particular, over by the rail tracks
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
Puddin.. An adult crawling through a 24 inch pipe is on knees and elbows with back scraping the top of the pipe. There isn't quite enough room to get your upper arm or upper leg perpendicular to what you're crawling on, so limb movement is very limited, progress torturous, which means you can't crawl fast, the rifle would have to be slung under your belly. I bet the guys who estimated Storm Drain To River in 20 minutes didn't actually TRY it. I've heard of the policeman. Who knows? Many stories.
satweavers 3 years ago
Puddin. I just Googled "Dealey Plaza storm drain" and found this article about an attempt to crawl through the pipe that leads out of the drain box. The pipe is 16" dia, according to the article. Check it out:
ht tp (colon,slash,slash)spot (dot) acorn (dot) net (slash) jfkplace (slash)00 (slash) drain (dot) crawl
They said while they were there, they checked. You could not target The Spot from the storm drain.
satweavers 3 years ago
sat
Very great read!
I'm looking at some other ones right now, and will send you what I find via msg shortly!
sugarpuddin88 3 years ago
What kills me is that 'Theorists' like Jack Brazile, "The Sewer Theorist" have been popping in and out of that hole for, what? a decade or more? Did he NEVER look at that 16 inch pipe and think about where it went and whether you could actually get through it? They prove that you can fit in the box with a rifle, never tried to sight through the slot, never pictured getting the rifle out through the pipe. At least they don't talk about these bothersome details, just that the rifle 'fits'. Cool!
satweavers 3 years ago
Puddin.. one last thing. I found a Dallas Water Management plan with the Dealey Storm Drain System. The drain in question is in line with five others crossing those three converging streets in Dealey. They're plumbed, probably three on each side, to feed into a larger main that flows toward the river. The main has other drains flowing into it further along, does a dog-leg and dumps into the river basin about a mile away. Look what one afternoon's dig turned up while 'theorists' sit and wonder.
satweavers 3 years ago
Is Zapruder visible in the film on the top right?
It looks like there's a guy in a black suit standing on the pergola, but I'm not sure whether that's him.
UdallIn72 3 years ago
That's right. This is Abraham Zapruder and also is visible his secretary Marilyn Sitzman standing at the same pedestal.
tarkus223 3 years ago
Good eye. I never would have realized that was Zapruder. You've obviously done your research.
waxingpoetic 3 years ago
You no why jacie climb on the car???
If you look closser, you see when kennedy hit in his head, A litle boone fracture fall on the car.
And jacie crab it.
rolande16 4 years ago
Actually, she said after the fact that she had no recollection of climbing onto the trunk.
She actually didn't believe she had until they showed her the film.
UdallIn72 3 years ago
She said she was fixated on the piece of skull she saw flying onto the trunk, and Clint Hill also said she was reaching for a piece of brain or skull falling off the end of the car. She didn't remember getting out though, that's true. Probably was in too much shock.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
This is no true. This was suggested in a recent special on TV where they recreated the entire scene to the precise measurement and fired at a replica of JFK's head. One of the guys in that show *suggested* after a fragment of the fake head landed on the trunk that this may have been what Jackie was after. That's the first I've ever heard of that BS.
waxingpoetic 3 years ago
It was "suggested" in a TV special that Jackie climbed onto the back to pick up a bone fragment b/c SA Clint Hill wrote it in his official report of the Dallas Trip. He wrote, "Mrs. Kennedy shouted, 'They've shot his head off,' then turned and raised out of her seat as if she were reaching to her right rear toward the back of the car for something that had blown out."
In Zapruder you can clearly see she reaches and, on her own, before SA Hill is on the trunk, she is getting back in her seat.
DesignBuildJ 2 years ago
Y is the SS at the back of the car before the death shot hits? Watch top left! They knew!
miika2 4 years ago
Clint Hill did NOT leap from the running board in reaction to the shot at 313.
He jumped in reaction to a shot at frame 285.
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Gioismyname18 4 years ago
Enough with stupid comments, the three films do not match. It's obvious that the films were altered. It so clear, look at the Muchmoore film, you will see a spray of blood at the REAR of JFK's head.
simeetg 4 years ago
hahaha
spray of blood, film damage, same basic thing, eh?
man, the other day i was watching this old silent movie, you should have seen all the blood sprays in it.
lolKbgTgm6621what 4 years ago
I agree that the films do not match. Watch SA Hill reaching for the rear handrail. He's on it on one video but is still reaching for it in another. Could just be poor timing on the cameras' part.. Could be something more sinister.
Zapruder's film was at the CIA film lab the weekend of the assassination. FOIA documents inadvertently released evidence of that in the 80's.
The released work order requested 1 Test Print (or Master Copy) & 3 Copies.
4 copies is exactly what was in Dallas11/24/63
DesignBuildJ 2 years ago
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1916jutland 2 years ago
If Muchmore was more closer and the cops wouldn't be blocking the view, it would have been a very good video of the assassination.
koplamp 4 years ago
Yes, it is too bad that the Muchmore photographer wasn't standing right alongside the street. That way, much more evidence could be made of the shooting. It begs the question, why is Muchmore shooting his camera so far from the street? Did Muchmore get confused as to the parade route, and stand along the wrong street? Muchmore is so far away. Gawd, if only Muchmore could have been closer to Elm Street!
huskyjerk 4 years ago
I think Muchmore (who was a woman, by the way) wanted to see the motorcade twice--once when it turned off main onto Houston Street, and again as it drove off down Elm... Consequently, she was standing close to Houston to begin with.
UdallIn72 3 years ago