hahaha lets leave out the fact that clinton and biden were the two biggest supporters of the graham leagley act which clinton signed into legislation which allowed deregulation. lets forget that obamas chief of staff was the director of fanny may when the fraud and scams took place. lmao liberals they hate conservatives. they say we are bitter and gun toting. well i say better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
I'd rather die as a liberal standing up against this corrupt government then be a conservative that defends this disgracful administration that put this country through an 8 year nightmare.
really conservative that put us through 8 yr nightmare? lets step back two years where dems got control of senate and house. where repubs proposed regulation of wall street, but people like obama and biden voted against it. this administration has not been a disgraceful one. the only disgraceful one is obamas. he is yet to be elected and it has came out his chief of staff is facing corruption charges. manuel also was found to be in charge of fanny may when fraud took place. hmmmmmm
basically i know your welfare was cut back these last few years, but seriously get some dignity. get a job.better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
What are you talking about welfare? I was never on welfare. And I bet it makes you happy talking down on people who have less then you.
Now I know why the rest of the world hates America, because there are alot of self-centered stuck up assholes like yourself who only cares about themselves, making this country look bad.
hahaha oh yes a civil servant job makes so much money. lmao go cry to you government payed for psychologist. the rest of the world hates america because we are free and because we have so many rights they dont. they hate us because we can travel freely and are the wealthiest nation as far as individuals go. get a grip. yet again it is better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
You think the world dislikes America because we have for rights and freedom? There are European countries who have more freedom then us, Canada even has more freedom then us.
yeah they cant have fire arms in canada unless it is a 22 caliber for instance. they pay ten percent higher taxes globally give me a break. you just want legal weed.
legal weed would be nice but that's not my point. This country has changed alot since Bush got elected. If you can't see that, you must be blind or denying the truth.
really thats why everything went to shit when the dems gained superior power of congress. funny when they did unemployment went from its lowest ever to highest ever.
oh really ? last dem was Clinton and the unemployment rate was very low, too bad we cant say that same for the last 2 reps. the two bushes. i'm suprise i even have a job! so tell me all the shit the dems casue becasue i can sure tell you all the shit the reps cause and it still doing!
actually you need to do some research cock sucker. unemployment reached its lowest in our nations history under bush junior. this means you are full of shit in your last statement.
Democrats bail out the auto industry! The Union supported you, now it's your turn to support the Union Workers and their livelyhood. Pay your dues to the Union.
Uh no he isn't. The presidency is a game of give and take. Obama can't get what he wants. But the senators and congress will offer him a alternative or nothing at all. Obama and the dems plan on doing things for america to heal up what the GOP ruined. But hey both parties are corrupt and I don't see Obama healing the economy fast as possible anytime soon. But I can see him getting 2Nd term if he acts fast. Which seems to be trying to.
Ohhh - I see. It's actually Obama that has been "taking away" rights and civil liberties for the last 8 years. Wow, thanks, I missed that!
Um, in fact, no. Bush is who you are thinking of (I'm sure you just mixed up the names) and, luckily, finally, he's going away. And we have Obama (and Biden!) planning to fix things and looking quite motivated and capable. Which makes a nice change.
I agree about getting involved, but I wish people had "woken up" years earlier!!
Racist pig! You're the reason this country is in such bad shape. God bless America. Love it or leave it! Ever heard that one? Respect the democratic process, stop the hate!
God has nothing to do with this country you religious idiot. Democratic process? "An elected legislature can cripple a mans' right as easily as a king can." The uneducated is what is bringing this country down. Or perhaps you don't believe in the first amendment.
Haha fuck Biden. Obama the dusky baboon is pulling the gaffe-prone Biden's strings. Democrats are the reason the country is in such bad shape now, so lets see how the gorilla president elect helps us get into even more debt.
Racist pig! You're the reason this country is in such bad shape. God bless America. Love it or leave it! Ever heard that one? Respect the democratic process, stop the hate!
nah we would'nt do joe,strictly snatch pimp, how bout i give sarah or your wife these mega inches,cause i know you short meating her....get it,you just have a problem with hung lo lo.....ha ha ha....
Obama has attended the meeting, you don't need to be a member to be on their "side". Get your facts straight search youtube for Obama CFR he has publicly made remarks about it.
2:42 "America's military might and economic strength must be married to the power of our iDEAs and our iDEAls if we are to DEAl effectively with DEAling with the forces of change... and, if we're going to keep this country we live so DEArly..." I just thought that was funny.
conservative republican trash crying all over this video. it's more entertaining reading their pathetic comments. finally there's intelligence in charge and they feel left out
all this crap and wrong going on in this world and this country. and you want correct my in spelling? That is why this country is going down hard and lots and lots of good people are going to die.
Eminent psychiatrist makes case that leftist thinking is a mental disorder "
author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."
Because we all know that WND is an unbiased daily source of news in which there is a balanced perspective on the political mind. Just like how they jumped to conclusions on how that the young woman who self-mutilated herself was actually raped by an Obama supporter.
WND is not a news site, it's a parallel website to the Onion.
Yea, I heard about the book. What I've learned over the past ten years was to look in the sources and footnotes. The book was crap, 'nuff said. I also wouldn't buy or touch a book that said the same to conservatives.
You should perhaps look at the quality instead of sourcing a source that is borderline republican leaning in nature.
What you have also concluded is that abortion is the equivalent of murdering babies and that the liberals are the cause of 9/11 (Despite liberal warnings) and Katrina.
Perhaps facts were never on your side. After-all, that is why you are a big fan of Jesus and every other religion (And sect of your own religion) is false even though you have an equivalent amount of "factual" evidence.
//Perhaps facts were never on your side. After-all, that is why you are a big fan of Jesus and every other religion (And sect of your own religion) is false even though you have an equivalent amount of "factual" evidence.
HAHAHAHAHA I guess you never study philosophy or theology, your comment is amazingly funny.
Can you please explain how multiple EXCLUSIVE truth can be all true ?
I must say that your inconsistency and your lack of logic are factual evidence of what I said.
more bullshit, more endless war, more false flag ops, more of the same.. the war on terror will continue and america will drag down the rest of the world. what a crock of shit.
Hell they ignored it during the election, Now comes the cover up and denial portion of the administration...Hey Hillary Mrs Sec of State...Seen Vince Foster lately?????
It's different from his stump-speaking style. More substance, less style. Not MUCH more substance... but substance, until Obama takes office, is all high hopes, smoke and mirrors.
Did you notice Obama pulling the string coming out of Joe's back..If you look real close you can see Barack's lips moving. He needs to take some more lessons from Jeff Dunham.
Ron Paul in 2012.
MrMrEinstein 1 year ago
We're fucked!!
ls033189 1 year ago
MAOBAMA
salpinoy 2 years ago
The country has changed under George W.,But it will "CHANGE" even more under
obama. Just like in nazi germany.
Yeah! I believe that if he twitches the wrong way, his two girls will be fatherless.
FuckObamasMama 2 years ago
Bring the troops home first, THEN we'll talk storm trooper camp.
thablackmarkit 2 years ago
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see: worldnetdaily - On-line news March 31, 2009, and do your Google search strings. AOL picked it up.
Why can't this smooth talkin sitting President turn over his real birth certificate ?
DONEwCA 2 years ago
Someone will take this guy out
BeantownJim 2 years ago
The plain fact is the dems, caused this crises and the Republicans failed to stop them.
The Dems. needed a bad economy in order to win the election and they got it.
For two years, the dems. have been preaching "the sky is falling", until people started to believe it.
Now they can deal with it.
DD826 2 years ago
Cock sucker ? when did that ever become a bad thing ? Regardless, let me see the proof of what u are saying. Show me a link, a book name, something.
ggbaby401 3 years ago
The haters can talk their shit about Obama, Biden and the Clinton's.
They must be Bush voters, but Bush voters are the ones who voted for the way our country is now.
Dick Cheney have another heart attack
budthesmoke85 3 years ago
hahaha lets leave out the fact that clinton and biden were the two biggest supporters of the graham leagley act which clinton signed into legislation which allowed deregulation. lets forget that obamas chief of staff was the director of fanny may when the fraud and scams took place. lmao liberals they hate conservatives. they say we are bitter and gun toting. well i say better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
firemanladder33 3 years ago
I'd rather die as a liberal standing up against this corrupt government then be a conservative that defends this disgracful administration that put this country through an 8 year nightmare.
budthesmoke85 3 years ago
really conservative that put us through 8 yr nightmare? lets step back two years where dems got control of senate and house. where repubs proposed regulation of wall street, but people like obama and biden voted against it. this administration has not been a disgraceful one. the only disgraceful one is obamas. he is yet to be elected and it has came out his chief of staff is facing corruption charges. manuel also was found to be in charge of fanny may when fraud took place. hmmmmmm
firemanladder33 3 years ago
basically i know your welfare was cut back these last few years, but seriously get some dignity. get a job.better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
firemanladder33 3 years ago
What are you talking about welfare? I was never on welfare. And I bet it makes you happy talking down on people who have less then you.
Now I know why the rest of the world hates America, because there are alot of self-centered stuck up assholes like yourself who only cares about themselves, making this country look bad.
budthesmoke85 3 years ago
hahaha oh yes a civil servant job makes so much money. lmao go cry to you government payed for psychologist. the rest of the world hates america because we are free and because we have so many rights they dont. they hate us because we can travel freely and are the wealthiest nation as far as individuals go. get a grip. yet again it is better to be a gun toting conservative nut job then a liberal with no nuts and no job.
firemanladder33 3 years ago
You think the world dislikes America because we have for rights and freedom? There are European countries who have more freedom then us, Canada even has more freedom then us.
You need to wake up...
budthesmoke85 3 years ago
yeah they cant have fire arms in canada unless it is a 22 caliber for instance. they pay ten percent higher taxes globally give me a break. you just want legal weed.
firemanladder33 3 years ago
legal weed would be nice but that's not my point. This country has changed alot since Bush got elected. If you can't see that, you must be blind or denying the truth.
budthesmoke85 3 years ago
and how the fuck has any liberal ever stood up against anyone???
thedigitaldamned 3 years ago
lmfao, hummmm every wonder why they are called liberals ?
ggbaby401 3 years ago
really thats why everything went to shit when the dems gained superior power of congress. funny when they did unemployment went from its lowest ever to highest ever.
firemanladder33 3 years ago 2
oh really ? last dem was Clinton and the unemployment rate was very low, too bad we cant say that same for the last 2 reps. the two bushes. i'm suprise i even have a job! so tell me all the shit the dems casue becasue i can sure tell you all the shit the reps cause and it still doing!
ggbaby401 3 years ago
actually you need to do some research cock sucker. unemployment reached its lowest in our nations history under bush junior. this means you are full of shit in your last statement.
firemanladder33 3 years ago
@firemanladder33 Idiot, according to the U-5, Total Unemployment is 16.5% and rising.
UNDER OBAMA'S TERM! NOT BUSH!
FreeMenDieFree 1 year ago
"i'm suprise i even have a job!" Not nearly as surprised as I am. By your bullshit rhetoric, I would have had you pegged as a welfare lifer.
mach3moe 2 years ago
Yes you did assemble a good team.Definetly good enough for me.
RebelsLiberator 3 years ago
I AM a well regulated militia, DONT TREAD ON ME!!!!!
gandhiganjmaster 3 years ago
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JimmyJackJohnnyJose 3 years ago
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Biden is such a moron.
CastorT64 3 years ago
Uh no he isn't. The presidency is a game of give and take. Obama can't get what he wants. But the senators and congress will offer him a alternative or nothing at all. Obama and the dems plan on doing things for america to heal up what the GOP ruined. But hey both parties are corrupt and I don't see Obama healing the economy fast as possible anytime soon. But I can see him getting 2Nd term if he acts fast. Which seems to be trying to.
Masterfulpeace 3 years ago 4
Obama is taking away our rights as citizens,and its time we woke up! get involoved before its too late
jallendavis3 3 years ago
What rights has he taken? Do not take argument for the sake of it; it makes you seem uninformed.
jcurls2995 3 years ago 3
Ohhh - I see. It's actually Obama that has been "taking away" rights and civil liberties for the last 8 years. Wow, thanks, I missed that!
Um, in fact, no. Bush is who you are thinking of (I'm sure you just mixed up the names) and, luckily, finally, he's going away. And we have Obama (and Biden!) planning to fix things and looking quite motivated and capable. Which makes a nice change.
I agree about getting involved, but I wish people had "woken up" years earlier!!
pookabun 3 years ago 10
Biden is now a house cracker, working for a negro, what's the world coming to?
asliberalastheycome 3 years ago
Racist pig! You're the reason this country is in such bad shape. God bless America. Love it or leave it! Ever heard that one? Respect the democratic process, stop the hate!
pete0714 3 years ago 2
Well said, buddy.
bubblewrapbump 3 years ago
God has nothing to do with this country you religious idiot. Democratic process? "An elected legislature can cripple a mans' right as easily as a king can." The uneducated is what is bringing this country down. Or perhaps you don't believe in the first amendment.
roninkross 3 years ago 4
Haha fuck Biden. Obama the dusky baboon is pulling the gaffe-prone Biden's strings. Democrats are the reason the country is in such bad shape now, so lets see how the gorilla president elect helps us get into even more debt.
pillarofskulls 3 years ago
Racist pig! You're the reason this country is in such bad shape. God bless America. Love it or leave it! Ever heard that one? Respect the democratic process, stop the hate!
pete0714 3 years ago 2
Mr. President?
bahnscott 3 years ago
Yes, Mr. President.
Jsd8675 3 years ago
The Zionists will get a surprise when they go door to door to collect what they think is theirs.
kalidyne 3 years ago
Yhe BLIND LAEDING THE BLIND!!!America is FUCKED!
micsc50 3 years ago
More like redneck fucks out of the picture. Go back to fucking alligators.
baliw002 3 years ago
You say you like to fuck rednecks and alligators? Biden is definitely your MAN!!!
micsc50 3 years ago
nah we would'nt do joe,strictly snatch pimp, how bout i give sarah or your wife these mega inches,cause i know you short meating her....get it,you just have a problem with hung lo lo.....ha ha ha....
bigjktwitty 3 years ago
Go stick it to Biden. I know you want him. Barack to you Bigtitty fag
micsc50 3 years ago
Obama, by choosing Hilary Clinton, squandered positive World opinion just like Bush did after 9/11.
WashMitt 3 years ago
i know what im asking Santa for... a gun with plenty of ammo. Get ready for martial law.
alby711 3 years ago
Just be prepared for martial law...
alby711 3 years ago
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Yada, yada, yada. Four years of these morons. Geeeezzzzz.
CastorT64 3 years ago
More like more years about you redneck white trash.
baliw002 3 years ago
God I'd do anything to get a good Biden-gaffe right about now... I think we're all due for one.
osiris33 3 years ago
he called him mr. president in the very beginning. everyone else is always very careful to say president elect
Belishabeacon1 3 years ago
Biden's gaffes don't send your kids out to be blown up!
Jsd8675 3 years ago 3
Obama has had close ties to the CFR throughout his entire political career and his wife is a member.
ccfr(.)org/chicago_council_board_directors(.)php
argyle684 3 years ago
Obama has attended the meeting, you don't need to be a member to be on their "side". Get your facts straight search youtube for Obama CFR he has publicly made remarks about it.
atavismnocturn 3 years ago
"mark my words, mark my words": i am the biggest CFR scum, son of a bitch bastard on earth! "mark my words, mark my words"
wdcsucks1 3 years ago
well said. he's optmistic even though this administration is facing a lot of challenges.
and the future is more unpredictable than ever. will the obama admin turn out to be a disaster? only time can tell.
deidarajunior1508 3 years ago
Example of our power and power of our example.
gamoonbat 3 years ago
Biden has vision.
appatel 3 years ago 3
yeah, let's have everyone agree on policy who are loyal to the president like in the, hmmm, what administration was that. hmmm, i forgot, o yeah.
THE GEORGE W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION
adamjgonzales 3 years ago
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We all know Obama and his team
are going to be a total failure
in the coming months... agree?.
______
ProCarbine1 3 years ago
no, you are stupid.
adamjgonzales 3 years ago
i only agree that you are a cocksucker.
darwinx0101 3 years ago
Hillary Clinton, huh? Does this mean that Bill has learned to keep his hole stuffer in his pocket, or will we have another incident?
patsagainstrats 3 years ago
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Some team my ass, and stop smiling assholes.
terisbub 3 years ago
Does anyone doubt that Joe Biden is a competent, qualified, stable leader?
Richardgwm 3 years ago 2
2:42 "America's military might and economic strength must be married to the power of our iDEAs and our iDEAls if we are to DEAl effectively with DEAling with the forces of change... and, if we're going to keep this country we live so DEArly..." I just thought that was funny.
Anonymitism 3 years ago
Bravo!
Hereticbooks 3 years ago
If this is the "New Dawn of American Leadership", I'd hate to see the "Old Twilight".
hiwaymanx 3 years ago
Let's hope Biden doesn't have to give too many speeches; he doesn't seem as poised as the rest of those speaking here.
jhip87 3 years ago
My Governor is leaving....goodbye bitch! Have fun being the New World Order's flunkie. whore.
arizonacardinals2007 3 years ago
It takes a bitch to know one......
ver506 3 years ago 2
conservative republican trash crying all over this video. it's more entertaining reading their pathetic comments. finally there's intelligence in charge and they feel left out
MuglyTheWorm 3 years ago 5
"totality"?
more like totalitarian
AMIRITE
djancak 3 years ago
all this crap and wrong going on in this world and this country. and you want correct my in spelling? That is why this country is going down hard and lots and lots of good people are going to die.
xesiria 3 years ago
xesiria, lookup extension transference, the book that coined the term is also a great read.
Clockworkforest 3 years ago
OK i will check it out, i will google it.
xesiria 3 years ago
Why so much emphasis on power and might? Oh, guess that means more war... wtf?
nasanction 3 years ago
Wow, smart people running the country... now why didn't we think of this before? Oh yeah, cuz conservatives hate smart people.
thehistorysage 3 years ago 13
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"Eminent psychiatrist makes case that leftist thinking is a mental disorder "
HA HA HA
Dangelooo 3 years ago
lol really? pass the link along
sampsonoff 3 years ago
Look on Worldnetdaily :
"Liberals clinically mad, concludes top shrink
Eminent psychiatrist makes case that leftist thinking is a mental disorder "
author of the new book, "The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness." "Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave."
Dangelooo 3 years ago
I am not crazy.
tavadon777 3 years ago
Because we all know that WND is an unbiased daily source of news in which there is a balanced perspective on the political mind. Just like how they jumped to conclusions on how that the young woman who self-mutilated herself was actually raped by an Obama supporter.
WND is not a news site, it's a parallel website to the Onion.
snipzor 3 years ago 3
Who care about the source ?
Are you stupid ?
It's not WND who wrote that book, what balance perspective do you want ?
Some people are really crazy ...
Dangelooo 3 years ago
Yea, I heard about the book. What I've learned over the past ten years was to look in the sources and footnotes. The book was crap, 'nuff said. I also wouldn't buy or touch a book that said the same to conservatives.
You should perhaps look at the quality instead of sourcing a source that is borderline republican leaning in nature.
snipzor 3 years ago
So what's your point by accusing WND when they have nothing to do with the contents of the book ?
What I've learned over the past ten years is that liberals are sick and dangerous, this book conclude just the same thing that me.
Dangelooo 3 years ago
What you have also concluded is that abortion is the equivalent of murdering babies and that the liberals are the cause of 9/11 (Despite liberal warnings) and Katrina.
Perhaps facts were never on your side. After-all, that is why you are a big fan of Jesus and every other religion (And sect of your own religion) is false even though you have an equivalent amount of "factual" evidence.
Was that uncalled for?
snipzor 3 years ago
What ???
//"What you have also concluded is that abortion is the equivalent of murdering babies"
By definition it is.
An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death.
//that the liberals are the cause of 9/11
President-Elect Obama is expected to announce Susan Rice as his UN Ambassador and that the position will be elevated to a Cabinet Level job
Dangelooo 3 years ago
//Perhaps facts were never on your side. After-all, that is why you are a big fan of Jesus and every other religion (And sect of your own religion) is false even though you have an equivalent amount of "factual" evidence.
HAHAHAHAHA I guess you never study philosophy or theology, your comment is amazingly funny.
Can you please explain how multiple EXCLUSIVE truth can be all true ?
I must say that your inconsistency and your lack of logic are factual evidence of what I said.
Dangelooo 3 years ago
I'm a conservative that voted liberal with Obama to save this country.
Seabass307 3 years ago 4
well, I am sure you are a good person anyways.....lol
JimisJames 3 years ago
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Don't worry you will regret it..
FatherJudgement 3 years ago
Totally, I meant kool-aide drinking Limbaugh conservatives. Not the old-fashioned good-intentioned kind.
thehistorysage 3 years ago 3
Eminent psychiatrists don't need to say the Far Right is nuts. The majority of people already know it!
OutsideTheBoxTalk 3 years ago 4
I agree with you on that totally- thehistorysage.
bahamiangreek101 3 years ago
in the begging did i see that law breaker Hillary Clinton?
xesiria 3 years ago
more bullshit, more endless war, more false flag ops, more of the same.. the war on terror will continue and america will drag down the rest of the world. what a crock of shit.
navtel 3 years ago
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Oh yeah... Zionist Biden says,
Now the President elect is prepared to take your question's... i see who is running the show... and i mean show!
xesiria 3 years ago
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A talented team for what?
xesiria 3 years ago
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Obama Biden Biden
Osama Bi n La den
get it?
WKaliber1 3 years ago
lame
jamalsutube 3 years ago
WKaliber1
FKaliber1
Fualiber1
Fucliber1
Fuckiber1
Fuckiner1
Fuckingr
Fucking Moron!
get it?
tivibtr3d 3 years ago 4
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obama is a wolf in anteater's clothing
WKaliber1 3 years ago
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christ! the writings on the wall! too bad nobody wants to read it.
famousashtray 3 years ago
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Hell they ignored it during the election, Now comes the cover up and denial portion of the administration...Hey Hillary Mrs Sec of State...Seen Vince Foster lately?????
FatherJudgement 3 years ago
ya ya
monkeypeopleofearth 3 years ago
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someone get uncle Joey a bottle of scotch !
he's not funny today ; /
elCAPTAINrifa 3 years ago
It's different from his stump-speaking style. More substance, less style. Not MUCH more substance... but substance, until Obama takes office, is all high hopes, smoke and mirrors.
voyeurdug 3 years ago
Biden has such a rough voice he sounds like Alec Baldwin making a tough speech just like General Geroge S Patton did.
texas224 3 years ago
I was thinking more like Darth Vader under the Emperor's Dark Side of the force
FatherJudgement 3 years ago
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Well hello Joe, Where have they been hiding you!...Did you pick the lock on the closet and escape?..
FatherJudgement 3 years ago
lol... where has Joe Biden been?
cowpoxz 3 years ago
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Locked up in Cheney's basement/S&M room?
Himechansexytightass 3 years ago
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Amazing how the lib's can't stand the truth..They have to flag any mean old talk against little Joe and the Messiah as spam
FatherJudgement 3 years ago
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First - I was fearing a Gaffe.
deshonlive 3 years ago
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why is this so important, tpmtv?
zachknows 3 years ago
Cause this is the first time we have seen Joe since the election and he did not put his foot in his mouth.
HAPrime 3 years ago 6
I agree, I thought he did a good job with this speech. I was watching on tv and I thought he was definitely gonna say something off line.
dralavant 3 years ago
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Did you notice Obama pulling the string coming out of Joe's back..If you look real close you can see Barack's lips moving. He needs to take some more lessons from Jeff Dunham.
FatherJudgement 3 years ago