Regardless of what 'theories' and 'debunks' one can dish out. It cannot be ignored that something does not add up. If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists managed slip the through the worlds most sophisticated defence network to destroy two icons of the capitalist world, then walk off into the sunset and consider yourself bereft of brain cells
@1702jrd "If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists"
- I think you should probably read up on the subject a little more before making any more ignorant and racist remarks. The hijackers were mostly from middle class backgrounds, did not live in caves - they lived in training camps, and some even had a tertiary education..
How much education do you need to take over a plane with some knives and smash it?
Im going to stop you right there. Firstly, my family is from Aleppo, Syria.
One the big guns of the Arab world. I probably have more knowledge about the region and its political landscape in my little finger than that politically correct mind of yours. Secondly, my "racist" remarks were merely a reference as to how mainstream western media portray these "terrorists". They are always portrayed as how Iv decribed them and ignorant Americans truly believe that they are the enemy.
Dont tell me not to blame mainstream media, thats my opinion. Thats all it ever does is fabricate enemies to scare and manipulate us. I suppose you swallow all that shit wholesale because you referred to the so called terrorists as 'middle class' with 'tertiary education'. Thats not the case at all because they never existed. This whole act of terror was perpertrated by the US ELITIST financial institutions to justify a war against countries that posses valuable resources.
@1702jrd "If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists"
- I think you should probably read up on the subject a little more before making any more ignorant and racist remarks. The hijackers were mostly from middle class backgrounds, did not live in caves - they lived in training camps, and some even had a tertiary education..
How much education do you need to take over a plane with some knives and smash it?
Still waiting for an audience with the notorious Mr Owens.
A crime to keep all that wisdom in just one brain it is
Crack your head open like a pinata, spilling your worldly insights and knowledge on us lowly troglodyte surface dwellers, that we get edumakatid, lice yu
Sorry solid steel can not fall straight down because it was already on the ground at the bottom. it was solid as it held itself up. if you smashed the bottom away, it was too strong to fall. the bottom wasnt fire damaged, very few floors had fire. it definately fell downwards. i saw it go which means it can't have been solid when it went. i saw it turn to dust. you claim it never. it was after the collapse. by the way i found a video showing wtc 7 demolition charges. you do believe me dont ya ?
@benjyboba Benjy, do you understand that these core columns were not one piece that went up for 110 stories and that the WTC Towers, as most office buildings, are approximately 85% air?
@cantonear1968 If most of it was air, where is the tremendous weight, i know they were built differently, I done research into them. I also look at the empire state building and i learned one thing, it was built in 1920 and after the acident, all future buildings needed to be designed to withstand against the problems. The wtc towers were engineering achievement. why on earth the bomb at the bottom never brought it down in 1993 and the fire that burnt for 3 hours over 6 floors. why me truther
@benjyboba Oh Jesus, come on Benjy! Each floor was a whole acre of concrete! Plus all of the steel. You don't think that is going to have any weight! Each building had 250,000 tons of steel, which is 2275 tons, per floor. Rough estimates of 30 and 20 floors above the impact zones were 68, 250 & 45,550 tons of just steel!
@cantonear1968 Weight is shared out over a large area, This is why it had a central core of about 183 ft by 90 ft with 47 massive steel columns and if i remember correctly 200 plus something outer columns. the floors had looks and looads of seperate conections. The weight is shared. it was turned into dust like in this video
@cantonear1968 The More you share weight the less weight each individual component has to hold. For example pick up a car by yourself the try picking it up with 10 people and its easy. What i'm saying to you is your presentations of the weight etc isn't giveing us the full picture. To truely understand everyhing. it becomes very complex. Simple physics on the other hand like on this video
watch?v=9QWvkAgyIY4&feature=related
shows proven physic reactions, which can be seen by anyone.
@benjyboba "The More you share weight the less weight each individual component has to hold."
Uh huh.
What does that have to do with the collapse of the WTCs? Do you not know how the buildings collapsed? Do you not know what the collapse initiation was for each building? Your last post indicates you don't and you're just spewing things that sound "sciencey".
Look up the definitions of "static" and "dynamic" loads. That will explain a lot to you.
@cantonear1968 I know all about them but all we hear is a typical few words that don't actually tell the whole story. With newtons law there is an equal and opposite reaction. So the weight gives an opposite effect which in turn the matterials of both parts get destoryed. The top was weaker than below. It needs proper investigating to truely understand it. Thats why there is so many on the net asking for it to be done. look up 120 mph car or 500 mph plane into concreate. physics tell it all.
I don't think you do. Especially if you are pulling out the "Newton's 3rd Law" meme, completely ignoring his 1st and 2nd laws, along with KE of the dynamic load of the buildings!
And again, what does the "The top was weaker than below" statement have to do with how the buildings collapsed?
Hint: were the floor connections stronger, weaker or the same from top to bottom?
@cantonear1968 No one is disputing about it falling, The top would have destroyed itself as it wasnt stronger than below but weaker. Who are you trying to kid. All your trying to suport is that it fell naturally. There was nothing natrual about the dustification. The building fell straight down, it had to pass through 183 ft x 90 ft of 47 steel central core columns. That is the confusing part, not the floors or anything else. The amount of dusts sugests it wasnt natural proven by scientiests.
@benjyboba Again, no steel was dustified and you haven't come close to even suggesting you have proof that it was. Literally hundreds of thousands of tons of steel was recovered and examined. You have tried to hand wave this away as it "all coming down to one document", completely ignoring, as I pointed out to you, that as many as 15,000 people worked on site recovering this steel.
@cantonear1968 yes, says the manipulated data written by the lieing hand. I wish you would learn the meaning of the word conspiracy. I can't accept the attitude of people against the truthers. it shows the typical nature of a compulsive liar, angry words are used and name calling. People with that sort of nature DO NOT TELL THE TRUTH.
@cantonear1968 Numbers does not sugest a thing, people can be paid to be quite or be working under cover. A conspiracy will make numbers and make it sound impossible by lieing to divert people away from the truth. Whos to say the numbers are truth. You instantly claim it wasn't dustified, yet there is a video of remaining core column after it collapsed. it goes directly down and its massive, physics wont let that happen, it has no where to go, yet it turns in to dust like its weak.
@benjyboba "people can be paid to be quite or be working under cover"
So you think 15,000 people, many of whom are now dying from 9/11 Disease and have nothing to lose by keeping quiet, are "in on it"?
You have hit the Irreducible Delusion. The point where you will accept any irrational theory or hand wave away any relevant facts merely to keep this story alive in your head.
You even believe you are seeing steel "dustifying" on video.
@cantonear1968 Stop trying to hide the fact it was an inside job, i can't believe you even believe anyone is going to believe the official bullshit anyway. Blaming the design of the building. It was desinged to take a fully loaded airplane hit it and it didn't fall on impact. if the design was that bad it would have fallen on impact. Don't blame the fires as the colour wasn't white hot in any video, the fires wasn't hot enough to even weak steel if you check the colour heat charts.
@benjyboba I may be corrected on this, but I do not believe you can tell the temperature of a fire merely by color. I believe the color chart you are referring to is for metal. An example is here:
Now, a normal office fire can reach peak temperatures of 1100C, and sustained temperatures of over 700C. This was proven by NIST, the Cardington Tests in Manchester and 100 years of fire investigation.
@cantonear1968 The madrid building done a very good job of withstanding a 20 hour inferno, the whole building was in flames, not just parts of it. Apparently NIST did a cover up job on the experiments, one guy was challenging them and he lost his job. They couldn't even get the floors to collapse in the ovens they used. With the videos i've seen of the Nist engineer, clearly shows him nervous and even smurking when explosives are mentioned. Also how they ignored physics data at a conference.
@benjyboba Benjy, get your facts straight before posting. The Windsor Tower in Madrid had the upper 8 steel framed floors collapse 2 hours after the fire started. The reason it did not suffer global collapse is because it had a concrete core, something the WTC Towers did not.
Who lost his job? If you are referring to Kevin Ryan, he didn't work for NIST!
@cantonear1968 That building was a proper inferno, the towers was fuck all, it dont compair. I did see a video showing, it wasnt the steel that failed. ill find it later for ya when I got time. i'm a little to busy to talk to you atm.
@benjyboba "A concrete core and concrete frame supported the first 16 floors. Above that was a central support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel perimeter columns. An additional feature was the presence of two 'technical floors' - concrete floors designed to give the building more strength."
"The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor."
@cantonear1968 Well lets think about the amount of building that was actually on fire in the towers. Most fo the building was perfectly fine, so most of the building had full strengh. I'm still not so sure about the weakening of steel and actual proof but the building was stronger belown which would mean the above floors are actually weaker. heat rises. Whatever the case it wasnt good.
@benjyboba A "disappearing" core doesn't need explaining because the core didn't "disappear". If you would actually educate yourself on how the buildings actually collapsed, as proven by the evidence collected, by 15,000 workers, which you won't acknowledge, you would possibly know this.
@cantonear1968 A disapearing core does explain everything, the massive steel that is bent like a horse shoe with NO CRACKS IN IT would need EXTREME TEMPERATURES TO HAVE IT BEND LIKE THAT, yet It was SAID TEMPERATURES WASN'T THAT HOT. Numbers of Workers don't mean anything. ALl they knew was to do their job and didn't question anything.
@benjyboba And I like how you guys are body language experts!
I'll tell you what; I don't think John Gross looked nervous at all! And I'd be smug too if some idiot truther started bringing up this nonsense at a serious engineering conference. And I'd be laughing at him too!
I have asked you many, many times what "physics were ignored". Either answer that question or stop bringing it up.
@cantonear1968 I've heard they way they spoke at the conference and they are evading answering the questions. He was nervous, it don't take a body laungugae expert to relise that. He knew and the guilt was killing him. He was at ground zero and he didnt know of any video evidence. His got to say that. He don't want to lose his job now does he.
@cantonear1968 If you say so, the video to me and many others anyway, everyone i shown the video to, my friends in real world. They all say he was nervous. all of them. But hey if you want to think what you think then its fine by me.
@cantonear1968 I'm talking of people who know nothing about any of it and I get their opinions. So far everyone of them has said the same.I give them both sides of the story too and they all says the offical is flawed. This has nothing to do with me, I ask them for their opinions.
@cantonear1968 Your report too don't explain how it collapsed and nor does the offical. you only got to listen to the pancake theory, where are the central core columns. i'm not going to say what they looked like, i'm going to link a video so people can see them all.
Let the people see what fell down watch?v=x5CgoS0hfQA&feature=fvst
I don't care what lies any cover up fool wishes to say but the video shows the truths.
I can honestly say that these RKOwens4 videos are as absurd as any disinformation video on these subjects. I don't see how anyone could believe them. Even if they didn't know anything about the subject it wouldn't take much research to find the flaws, take the melting temp of aluminum for example, specifically how hot it has to get before it glows. It's not hard to find accurate info about that so how long does RKOwens4 really expect to fool people? Oh and 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
@benjyboba "why on earth the bomb at the bottom never brought it down in 1993"
Because it was a very crude bomb that was unable to sever key structural supports.
But does that not tell you something? That was a 1500 lb bomb and it didn't even budge the buildings! How much do you think would be required to actually get the job done? Oh never mind! I forgot you think it was a photon torpedo from the Klingons!
@cantonear1968 hang on a minute, this was at the bottom of the building, wouldn't all the weight of the building above crush itself after the bomb hit it. Something you just admited is it needs to take out key structures. with the size of the building as you also said. it would take some doing to take out the key structures wouldnt it. Terrible events. why if they had knowledge it was going to happen again didnt they put a stop to it.
@benjyboba And why didn't it collapse from the fire? First off, I don't believe it was 6 floors, but I will check that. But the key here, and which is why most truthers get confused comparing this to other building fires, is that it was fought by the FDNY. The were on scene within 15 mins and it was on lower floors so they didn't have a 70 story climb to get to it. The WTC Towers burned unfought for 55 and 105 mins respectively.
@benjyboba I didn't say that. It's not about bringing the fire "totally under control", but keeping the structural components in the area from over heating to the point of failure. This is accomplished by spraying water on them.
And the fire was almost totally contained to the 11th floor. Some spread to the 9th and 14th floors, but were almost immediately extinguished.
@cantonear1968 3 hours of fire was imediately under control. I don't think so. doesn't it say that office fires can't reach temperaturess to cause any problems anyway.Your right, nothing like 9/11, it was much more intense, 3 hours of fires compaired to the small 9/11 fire and it was at the bottom of the building with much more weight on top of it.
There off again everyone, I thought they were taking a break. Dear DTD, dont you think i've not analysed the towers in depth. i've seen too much from actual contruction videos to theories on how it could share its weigh with other columns and designed against high winds. I do keep an open ind to every possibility but when i get someone who says twoofers this name and that and when i see steel turn to dust but you wont admit it. solid steel can fall straight down as it had no where to fall.
Why the hell did they flip the cars upside down on 911, why did someone park a car on top of a fence, why do liars feel they can control the situation by selectiveness. Why do truthers bother with some very unintelligent people. The people that truely done 911 has caused all these debates. i'm not naming them because no one can name who they are but people get blamed on news within 30 mins.
@benjyboba "Why the hell did they flip the cars upside down on 911, why did someone park a car on top of a fence"
Because they were clearing the cars out of the area and they could care less about them when they did it!
Seriously? This is your evidence for DEWs? Upside down cars and cars on fences?
Please tell me you have something better than that! Like maybe try and answer how much energy would be needed to accomplish this fete? Woods was asked this and had no idea!
@cantonear1968 What a bunch of idiots, why on earth would they turn a car upside down when they can move it much easier on the wheels. Its strange you should say about the upsidedown car as it was parked next to a car which is the right way up. Woods is inteligent and don't answer in the way you hope. You dont have the understanding. I understand what she means very well. Have you got video evidence of them fliping cars over. wouldnt it be easier to toe them away.
@cantonear1968 The falling building turned to dust though, does dust cruch 1400 cars which couldnt even park in the small area. now thats asking alot isnt it. I'd rather believe the lady with the phd, she is more logical. that car i speak of had no building falling on it. building vanished into thin air. why cars only half look like they burnt yet plastic was untouched. I gotta find that boat video wiht the hutchison effect its amazing. he even had trouble with militray taking his equipment.
@benjyboba "The falling building turned to dust though"
You keep saying that yet you haven't provided anything that proves it. I've proven that all of the steel was recovered. You simply hand wave it away as "faked".
That's not a rebuttal and that's not evidence!
You're done here. It's just a shame you don't understand that.
@cantonear1968 No with a document you gotta put trust into whoever wrote it, it can be manipulated. the video i sent shows the still standing central core falling directly down. its not possible to fall down the way it did as it was already on the ground, it wasnt weak as it never burnt in the fires at the top. it turned to dust from the bottom up. look at the other links i posted. I will wave away a load of lies, look at the photograph which shows ground zero flat and wtc 7 still standing.
Maybe pulling legs off of spiders or torturing the neighbors cat will ease your stress until your psych appointment tomorrow morning. Perhaps a change of meds is in order as well. The current ones aren't working.
@DTD110865 DTD is one of the liars, keeps ignoring simple physics evidence which he don't want to understand. Also can metal be destroyed with hutchison effect. Well he won't see it but this vid shows some effects. watch?v=8Ywm8KZtvb4&feature=related
Why hasn't Hutchinson reproduced his claims from 33 years ago in a laboratory condition?
Do you understand how silly you sound? There is absolutely no evidence that Hitchinson's claims has any merit yet you believe it simply because you want to believe it!
@cantonear1968 Did you watch part 2 of the hutchison video, it shows the military took all his equipment, he did re-collect in his small apartment and do his own thing, they claim it never worked. i'm undecided but consider the possiblity, especially as i know sound can hit resonance and vibrate but his work is at a different level, messing with molecular structure. Microwaves can give out sparks with metals. When I speak of any physics, I mean you can test it for youself, yet they still lie.
No YOU are one of the liars, and YOU keep ignoring the unique design features of the WTC, while you babble on about laws of physics that you ASSUME contradict "the official story."
@DTD110865 You're the one that go against the laws of physics, you simply ignore the fact shown in the vidoe, the steel column which is free standing on its own after the building come down and it goes straight down into the ground, physics say steel is solid to stand up, yet it goes down, solid objects have no where to go, so the steel has to topple over. its not possible without it being weak enough to crumble into dust. there was no fire at the bottom. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
JUST FYI, THE USER KNOWN AS cantonear1968 IS A KNOWN SHILL. HE'S ON THESE 9/11 PAGES SPREADING DISINFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENTS OF 9/11/01. LIKE OTHER SHILLS HE CLAIMS TO BE AN "EXPERT", IN THIS CASE A FORMER "NAVIGATOR" FOR THE AIR FORCE. HE IS 100% FULL OF CRAP & SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AT HIS WORD. HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A DISINFORMATION PUSHER. HE WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT ANY RESEARCH & RESEARCHERS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE OFFICIAL STORY & WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE TRUTH MOVEMENT AS A WHOLE.
@mrh785 "THE USER KNOWN AS cantonear1968 IS A KNOWN SHILL"
Too bad you are unable to offer any evidence that proves this. Much like how you fall drastically short of offering any of this mythical "(/11 Was An Inside Job" evidence.
I guess this is why you have stopped replying directly to me or addressing any of the points that take away your belief system.
CANTONEAR1968 CLAIMS JUDY WOODS WITH HER PHD IN ENGINEERING DONT KNOW WHAT SHE IS ON ABOUT. HIS TOO THICK TO THINK FOR HIMSELF, HE USES THE SAME WORDS AS THE REST OF THE COVER UP PEOPLE. HOW CAN ANYONE COVER UP MANY OF THESE FACTS. STEEL TURNING INTO DUST. WATCH THE JUDY WOODS THE NEW HIROSHIMA TO FIND OUT MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHICH ARE NOT EXPLAINABLE TO A NORMAL COLLAPSE.
@cantonear1968 I TELL YOU WHAT, ME AND YOU TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST AND SEE WHO IS TELLING LIES. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DISRESPECTFUL TORWARDS OTHERS. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH YET YOU STIL TRY TO COVER UP WITH ILLOGICAL BULLSHIT. A CONSPRIRACY IS COMMITED BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALL COVERING ONE ANOTHER. IT CAN'T BE DONE ALONE. SHAME ON YOU.
Like to see just 1 of you flippant freaks in the same room with a man who lost a loved one and knows the guilty heads are still attatched. Even the women would gouge your lying eyes out.
@DTD110865 Then your go and kill another one that will rise to take their place right ? Do you honestly think that captain caveman was a threat to you. I sugest you get some books and learn about them, go and spend time with those people before you make judgements. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF, NOT ON SOMEONE ELSES BEHALF.
@DTD110865 No you're the one with the THICKTION LIEING ASSHOLE. MANY YEARS AGO FLYING MACHINES WERE ONCE FICTION OR THICKTION IN YOUR CASE. YOUR SO DUMB YOU DONT ACTUALLY THINK FOR YOURSELF. A BUILDING TURNED TO DUST. THERE IS TOO MUCH DUST FOR IT NOT TO BE TRUE. watch?v=zHwutpJ9vTs
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!! I DO think for myself, while YOU regurgitate twoofer buzzwords and blurt out "physics" and "science" to give your propaganda some false image of crediblity. This propaganda DOES NOT compare to out inability to make airplanes before 1902, and that same video you keep showing also has some of the steel NOT turning to dust, which you fuckwits insist on IGNORING!!
@DTD110865 No you're under orders and instructions. You haven't got what it takes to tell the truth. Why have I posted that video so many times you might wonder. MAybe its because your denying it. You said it was dust resting on the structure but solid structures can fall down 60 stories into the ground without toppling over.
watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
its obvious, you admit it and ill stop talking completely.
I'm under NOBODY'S orders or instructions. I DO have what it takes to tell the truth. Both cantonear and I have explained that the twin towers weren't built like other skyscrapers, and if you did any kind of REAL research, you'd have to consider this as a factor for it's destruction. Once you do that, you'd understand how and why they collapsed. Instead, you insist on regurgitating twoofer propaganda, and looking for an excuse to blame the government.
@MrNoblemanoflove NO DTD IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS THE BEDROOM STORY, HIS THE CHILD. HIS THE ONE WITH THE IGNORANCE. I TOLD HIM THE STEEL TURNED TO DUST, HE SAID NO BUT HE CAN'T EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE SOLID STEEL WENT, IT HAD NOTHING TO CRUSH IT AS IT WAS STANDING AFTER THE COLLAPSE. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MY SON RYAN KYLE OWENS IS PAID TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS AND POST THEM ON YOUTUBE
Just wondering if this story is real. Never seen you post a comment anywhere to respond to this post, or any other. Would you kindy direct me where I can glean wisdom from your immeasurable mind? In your vast library of 6 fav's & 61 loads of lard I saw no dynamic dialogue or deep diagnosis from one so learned in all aspects of just who harbours the pearls of knowledge about the new Pearl Harbor
It's 35 & 55 minutes after the WTC tower have been hit & another hijacked plane has changed course to head strait for Washington DC. The Air Force doesn't intercept & the anti aircraft defenses don't fire. NO F**KIN WAY.
Unfortunately you are wrong, although the Pentagon has never specified that it had any AA defenses due to its refusal to discuss anything involving Pentagon operational details and matters of national defense/security. it would be absurd to say it didn't. April Gallop (Pentagon administrative specialist with SCI clearance) has stated that the Pentagon had multiple defense systems and mechanisms in place including Anti Air, her peers claim that there was "Glitch" on 9/11.
no, the pentagon did not have surface to air missles deployed, April Gallop was a file clerk, how would she know? and she has a lawsuit seeking millions in damages -- so she has a direct financial motive to lie
1: It is laughable to claim that the Pentagon has no AA system setup, even if that's the case the out zone missile detections systems can detect and shoot down aircraft's and/or missiles traveling at 13,000 mph in 10 minutes or less anywhere in the U.S.
2: April Gallop has confirmed SCI clearance not something that a file clerk would have, the judge appointed was John M. Walker, cousin of Bush, watch her lawyer's interview, you'll freak out a bit.
The Pentagon is in walking distance of the Washington-Reagan International Airport. If they had the AA system you've deluded yourselves into thinking it has, no airplanes could get anywhere neear it.
its laughable to start an argument from incredulity with the term laughable -- a real joke
there is an INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 2 MILES AWAY -- how do you figure this would work? just blow up any airliner that may stray off course by a few hundred yards?
1: April Gallop is a administrative specialist with Top Secret and SCI clearance for the U.S army.
2: Never said first cousin, John M. Walker, Jr. father is George H.W. Bush maternal uncle, blood related cousins.
3: The Pentagon knew of Flight 77's position and situation by 8:56 AM and only contacted NORAD at 9:24 AM (28 minutes later?), the plane struck at 9:38 AM, now do you get my point.
1) file clerk, she has no knowledge and is seeking a pay day, motive to lie
2) Ok, so he's a distant cousin, he was NOT the trial court judge, and was only one of three on the appelate pannel -- since it was unanimous, his vote was not even needed
3) no, the US does not shoot down passenger jets -- that order has NEVER been given in the Western world -- there were no air defense assets on the ground at the pentagon -- none
@mackjeez "has stated that the Pentagon had multiple defense systems and mechanisms in place including Anti Air, her peers claim that there was "Glitch" on 9/11."
The Pentagon didn't have super-secret defense systems, nor is it "the most heavily defended building in America." It is merely a headquarters for the military. Essentially the same as a corporate office for a company. These are all romantic fantasies conspiracy theorists advance, that literally have no basis in reality.
@DTD110865 DTD110865 is wrong totally, just look his ARGUEING with EVERYONE INCLUDING ME, his a PERPETUAL LIAR TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE CLAIMING EVERYONE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE. iT ACTUALLY THINKS HE SOUNDS GOOD WHEN HIS A COMPLETE IDIOT. HE SAYS JUDY WOODS IS CRAZY BUT SHE HAS A PHD IN ENGINEERING SO HOW CAN SHE BE CRAZY LIKE HE CLAIMS. HE IS VIDEO EVIDENCE OF THE SOLID STEEL CORE TURNING INTO DUST. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
No, YOU PEOPLE are the ones trying to deceive everyone! You're the one claiming you know more about it than the rest of us, but what you THINK you know is a flat out lie! Judy Wood IS crazy, because she thinks SPACE LAZERS destroyed the WTC, when everybody who was in New York City KNOWS it was AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175!
@DTD110865 DTD110865 please explain how STEEL DOES THIS AND TURNS TO DUST. Don't try and CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SPACE LASERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL TURNING INTO DUST AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO. YOU NEED HELP. SERIOUSLY. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
You're the one who brought up Judy Wood and SHE'S the one who insists on the "space lasers" nonsense. The steel DID NOT turn to dust! It was the concrete!
@DTD110865 YES I DID BRING UP JUDY WOODS YOUR FOR ONCE RIGHT ON THAT BUT SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING TURNED INTO DUST.(THE MENTION OF SPACE LASERS WASN'T WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT) IF YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO, ILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE EMAIL WITH INSTUCTIONS AND HOPEUFLLY YOUR LEARN HOW TO VIEW IT. IT SHOWS STEEL TURNING TO DUST watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
@DTD110865 WHY YOU CALLING HER A BITCH, WHAT SHE DONE TO YOU, THIS VIDEO SHOWS watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 THE STEEL TURNING INTO DUST, ITS PURE EVIDENCE THAT THE TOWERS FELL BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE WAS TURNED INTO DUST.
You're right. She's a PSYCHOTIC BITCH!! The steel IS NOT turning to dust! The CONCRETE FLOORS are, because the steel was made too weak to hold them up BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING SCORCHED BY THE TWO JUMBO JETS THAT PLOWED INTO THEM!!
@DTD110865 I AM RIGHT BUT YOUR WRONG BY CLAIMING I SAID THINGS I NEVER. IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 THE STEEL TURNS INTO DUST. ITS OBVIOUS YOU HAVENT YET VIEWED THE VIDEO AS IT ONLY SHOWS THE STEEL COLUMNS LEFT AFTER THE COLLAPSE. THEY TURN TO DUST. WHY TRY AND DIVERT PEOPLE AWAY FROM MY STATEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL TURNING TO DUST IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 ADMIT IT AND ILL STOP. WHAT A SILLY THING YOU DONT KNOW WHEN TO QUIT LIEING, THE VIDEO PROVES YOU LIE
@DTD110865 i'm no longer replying to idiots like yourself as you have a ignorance which can't accept anything lots of people all agree on, you can't deny the fact some videos shows so much dust in them. What do i argue wiht an idiot for. if you was here now id set up an experimentation to show you physics which prove but you wouldnt be interested. Just message me back and say your not intereted in the TRUTHers. You have a go at all TRUTHers. i'm going to let you carry on deceiving others, ok ?
Not as many people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit as you like to pretend there are. I never said the video doesn't show any dust. I just said that dust isn't the steel. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the truth, and the so-called "truth mvoement," and that's why I call you people "twoofers." I'm STILL not the one deceiving others. That's your job.
@DTD110865 Do you honestly want to put it to the test that people think what i say is bullshit. do you want every single truther in the word to comment against you. You only speak about yourself like its others. That is exactly how your stupid brain works, your probably paid to tell lies. I wouldnt want a job like that, the guilt and knightmares, o you dont have a concious do you. you probably have nothing good in your life. Give me a GOOD reason why you need to tell lies.
REALITY proves that what you say is bullshit! And I DON'T CARE how many twoofer morons criticize me over this. You're still all lying your fucking asses off!
" Give me a GOOD reason why you need to tell lies."
@DTD110865 PHYSICS SUCH AS IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 SHOW YOUR AN IGNORANT PRICK OR DOES IT SHOW YOUR TRYING TO COVER UP THE TRUTH.I THINK WE NEED TO GET YOU AN EXOERCIST TO CURSE OUT THE DEMON THATS TAKEN YOUR SOUL. TELL ME WHAT LIES I'M TELLING, YOU CANT DISPUT THE PHYSICS. STEEL CANT FALL DOWN ITS ON THE GROUND IT CAN ONLY TOPPLE OVER OR TURN INTO DUST.
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! PHYSICS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE!! THE TWIN TOWERS WEREN'T BUILT LIKE CONVENTIONAL SKYSCRAPERS, SO THERE'S NOTHIING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THE COLLAPSE!! YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH, I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER ANYTHING UP, AND YOU'D BE WASTING YOUR MONEY IF YOU TRIED TO GET AN EXORCIST ON ME!!
@DTD110865 I LOVE IT YOUR HAVEING A TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE, I CAN FEEL THE ANGER KNOWING YOU CANT WIN. NOW THE DESIGN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT STEEL TURNED INTO DUST ON THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 i THINK YOU NEED MORE THAN A EXOERCIST, PROBABLY NEED TO GO TO OZ TO SEE THE SCARECROW AND GET A BRAIN. YOUR A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT THAT CANT SUCESSFULLY TELL A LIE. YOU SHOULD FIND A JOB YOUR ACTUALLY GOOD AT. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DIVERT PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.
The design DOES have to do with how the towers collapsed, and once again, THE STEEL DID NOT TURN TO DUST!! I don't need to go to Oz to get brain. You need to return whateverr science degree you boast about having, because if somebody with no science degree like myself can prove you wrong, you wasted your college tuition. Also, it's YOU who's diverting people from the truth, not me.
@DTD110865 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL THAT TURNED INTO DUST. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 YOU CAN'T YET ACCEPT THAT THE STEEL TURNS INTO DUST AND TRYING TO DIVERT EVERYONE SAYING IT WAS THE DESIGN THAT WAS THE REASON IT FELL. ANY DESIGN WITH STEEL TURNING TO DUST WILL COLLAPSE. LET ME LINK ANOTHER VIDEO SO PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW MUCH DUST WAS CREATED. watch?v=zHwutpJ9vTs .LOOK AT HOW MUCH STEEL TURNED INTO DUST YOU TOTAL FAILURE. THIS IS A NICE VIDEO.
No, YOU are talking about steel turning into dust, and that's NOT WHAT HAPPENED! The planes rammed into the steel causing the huge fires that made the steel so weak it could no longer support itself, and it collapsed!!
@DTD110865 CAN YOU GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT THE FIRES COVERED AND THE DAMAGE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING. PARTICALLY THE WHOLE BUILDING WAS UNDAMAGED. YOU JUST TRY TO MAKE IRRELEVANT INFORMATION SOUND GOOD AND YOU FAIL LIKE THE CHILD YOU ARE. i THINK YOU NEED YOUR DIPERS CHANGED. BOTH THE ONE ON YOUR FACE AND YOUR ASS. MORE ON THE FACE WITH THE AMOUNT OF SHIT YOU TALK.
@mrh785 I tell you what, if someone attempted to fly there right now. Do you think they could make it. With aircraft maps, get one and you can see exactly how all the airspaces are limited. The military zones, they need a speciall ssr transponder code that normal aircraft dont have. They monitor aircraft and if someone dont have a transponder and radio etc, they intercept to find out the problem. Why would they let anyone disobey all the rules. end of story.
@benjyboba I agree but I've heard them called I.F.F. transponders.
No way a hijacked/hostile plane makes it all the way to it's target in that airspace without being blown out of the sky, exept of course on 9/11/01. 9/11 is also a day in which the normal laws of physics don't apply.
@mrh785 The laws of physics wasn't cheated my friend, they did aply, Its just no one knows precisely how the buildings structure was turned into dust. I watched judy woods the new hiroshma and can totally agree about the structure. The plane wouldn't have made the journey and why didnt the so called terrorists use the nearest airport to fly at the pentagon to make life easy or is ita military aiport.
@benjyboba Did you know they linked 200 pieces of human remains from WTC to one person? That's just what they found! Obviously this is because of explosives.
Horseshit! Depending on where this person was during the attack, it's either because of the crash or the fire, or even the collapse of the tower(s) themselves!
@DTD110865 Dtd110865 simply can't claim like it does that the building collapsing could have created all those body parts when it collapsed. There was not enough weight falling down as it was all turned into dust. proof is in this video here. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
A huge collapsing tower like this, and you think it CAN'T shatter a human being into multiple pieces upon impact? You're an imbecile. People have lost body parts with SMALLER things that that!!
@DTD110865 A HUGE COLLAPSING TOWER LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT CAN'T SHATTER A HUMAN INTO BITS. I KNOW IT CAN'T, YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE RIGHT VIDEO YOU MORON, YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH INTELIGENCE, I LINKED IT, LEARN HOW TO VIEW IT. DUST CAN'T SHATTER HUMANS. GET IT THICKO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
No, you DON'T WANT TO think it can shatter a human into bits! If people can lose body parts with smaller things, like bullets, there's no reason to doubt that a massive tower like this can't shatter a person to pieces when it falls.
@DTD110865 NOW YOUR BEING IGNORANT AGAIN, YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING SHATTERING A PERSON, I TOLD YOU TO WATCH THE VIDEO ON THIS LINK watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT WATCHED IT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS DUST. ALSO YOUR DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT A PERSON BEING IN 200 PARTS. STOP USING DISINFORMATION. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO VIEW THE VIDEO., DUMB ASS.
@DTD110865 YOU HAVE TO BE THE THICKEST PERSON TO SAY SUCH SHIT, EVERYONE GO AND VIEW THIS SO CALLED DISINFORMATION, JUST WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE STEEL CENTRAL COLUMN TURNING INTO DUST. ITS VIDEO EVIDENCE AND DTD110865 CLAIMS ITS DISINFO. HE IS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF THIS IS THE VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
@mrh785 200 PICES OF HUMAN REMAINS LINKED TO ONE PERSON. Thats almost as CRAZY AS THE STUPID IDIOT DTD110865 who REFUSES to LOOK AT SOME SOLID VIDEO EVIDENCE i POSTED SHOWING THE CORE COLUMS TURNING INTO DUST. I did actually HEAR SOME of the BODY PARTS were found on TOP of OTHER BUILDINGS.
@DTD110865 i WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU IN REAL LIFE. VIDEO OF US BOTH TALKING. PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR LOW LEVEL OF INTELIGENCE AND ATTITUDE AND I COULD GIVE YOU A SLAP THAT YOU DESERVE.
@DTD110865 YOU MAKE A CLAIM BUT CAN'T BACK IT UP WITH PROOF. EVERY WORD YOU SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS IS TRUELY OF YOURSELF, WATCH THE VIDEO I LINK INSTEAD OF MAKING THINGS UP. ANYONE THAT WATCHES IT THINKS YOUR A COMPLETE DICKHEAD. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
@DTD110865 PLEASE STATE WHICH VIDEO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN SHOWN BEFORE. DID YOU MANAGE TO SEE THE STEEL TURN INTO DUST OR ARE YOU SO IGNORANT TO THE TRUTH THAT YOU WILL IGNORE IT AND WRITE A STUPID MISSLEADING COMMENT LIKE THAT VIDEO DOESNT SHOW ANYTHING THAT HASNT BEEN SHOWN BEFORE.
HEY IDIOT, THE STEEL ISN'T WHAT TURNED TO DUST!! IT WAS THE CONCRETE THAT THE STEEL NO LONGER HAD THE ABILITY TO HOLD UP!! YOU DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE TRUTH AND YOU TWOOFERS ARE THE ONES MISLEADING EVERYBODY!!!
Regardless of what 'theories' and 'debunks' one can dish out. It cannot be ignored that something does not add up. If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists managed slip the through the worlds most sophisticated defence network to destroy two icons of the capitalist world, then walk off into the sunset and consider yourself bereft of brain cells
1702jrd 1 day ago
@1702jrd "If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists"
- I think you should probably read up on the subject a little more before making any more ignorant and racist remarks. The hijackers were mostly from middle class backgrounds, did not live in caves - they lived in training camps, and some even had a tertiary education..
How much education do you need to take over a plane with some knives and smash it?
markh1011 1 day ago
Im going to stop you right there. Firstly, my family is from Aleppo, Syria.
One the big guns of the Arab world. I probably have more knowledge about the region and its political landscape in my little finger than that politically correct mind of yours. Secondly, my "racist" remarks were merely a reference as to how mainstream western media portray these "terrorists". They are always portrayed as how Iv decribed them and ignorant Americans truly believe that they are the enemy.
1702jrd 21 hours ago
@1702jrd "I probably have more knowledge about the region and its political landscape in my little finger than that politically correct mind of yours"
- This does not excuse your comments..
'Secondly, my "racist" remarks were merely a reference as to how mainstream western media portray "
- It was how YOU portrayed them. Don't blame the media.
"They are always portrayed as how Iv decribed them "
- It was your post I was responding to.
markh1011 15 hours ago
Dont tell me not to blame mainstream media, thats my opinion. Thats all it ever does is fabricate enemies to scare and manipulate us. I suppose you swallow all that shit wholesale because you referred to the so called terrorists as 'middle class' with 'tertiary education'. Thats not the case at all because they never existed. This whole act of terror was perpertrated by the US ELITIST financial institutions to justify a war against countries that posses valuable resources.
1702jrd 11 hours ago
@1702jrd "Thats not the case at all because they never existed"
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cantonear1968 3 hours ago
@1702jrd Tell me: is it they never existed or they are alive and well in the Middle East? I can never get that straight with you guys!
LOL!
cantonear1968 3 hours ago
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@1702jrd "If you really believe that primitive minded, cave dwelling, bearded jihadists"
- I think you should probably read up on the subject a little more before making any more ignorant and racist remarks. The hijackers were mostly from middle class backgrounds, did not live in caves - they lived in training camps, and some even had a tertiary education..
How much education do you need to take over a plane with some knives and smash it?
markh1011 1 day ago
watch?v=tvhXmJ_w9ZI
mrh785 2 days ago
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RKO & Co. Amusing watching your junta peddle the same shit sandwhich for years
Especially when it's half eaten by you and your friends.
Pass it around and finnish it off, nobody else wants it
Disdain4Lies 3 days ago
Still waiting for an audience with the notorious Mr Owens.
A crime to keep all that wisdom in just one brain it is
Crack your head open like a pinata, spilling your worldly insights and knowledge on us lowly troglodyte surface dwellers, that we get edumakatid, lice yu
Disdain4Lies 4 days ago
Sorry solid steel can not fall straight down because it was already on the ground at the bottom. it was solid as it held itself up. if you smashed the bottom away, it was too strong to fall. the bottom wasnt fire damaged, very few floors had fire. it definately fell downwards. i saw it go which means it can't have been solid when it went. i saw it turn to dust. you claim it never. it was after the collapse. by the way i found a video showing wtc 7 demolition charges. you do believe me dont ya ?
benjyboba 4 days ago
@benjyboba Benjy, do you understand that these core columns were not one piece that went up for 110 stories and that the WTC Towers, as most office buildings, are approximately 85% air?
Yes or no?
cantonear1968 4 days ago
@cantonear1968 If most of it was air, where is the tremendous weight, i know they were built differently, I done research into them. I also look at the empire state building and i learned one thing, it was built in 1920 and after the acident, all future buildings needed to be designed to withstand against the problems. The wtc towers were engineering achievement. why on earth the bomb at the bottom never brought it down in 1993 and the fire that burnt for 3 hours over 6 floors. why me truther
benjyboba 4 days ago
@benjyboba Oh Jesus, come on Benjy! Each floor was a whole acre of concrete! Plus all of the steel. You don't think that is going to have any weight! Each building had 250,000 tons of steel, which is 2275 tons, per floor. Rough estimates of 30 and 20 floors above the impact zones were 68, 250 & 45,550 tons of just steel!
You don't think this is heavy!
Come on!
cantonear1968 4 days ago
@cantonear1968 Weight is shared out over a large area, This is why it had a central core of about 183 ft by 90 ft with 47 massive steel columns and if i remember correctly 200 plus something outer columns. the floors had looks and looads of seperate conections. The weight is shared. it was turned into dust like in this video
watch?v=zHwutpJ9vTs
benjyboba 4 days ago
@benjyboba "The weight is shared."
Yes!
And?
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 The More you share weight the less weight each individual component has to hold. For example pick up a car by yourself the try picking it up with 10 people and its easy. What i'm saying to you is your presentations of the weight etc isn't giveing us the full picture. To truely understand everyhing. it becomes very complex. Simple physics on the other hand like on this video
watch?v=9QWvkAgyIY4&feature=related
shows proven physic reactions, which can be seen by anyone.
benjyboba 3 days ago
@benjyboba "The More you share weight the less weight each individual component has to hold."
Uh huh.
What does that have to do with the collapse of the WTCs? Do you not know how the buildings collapsed? Do you not know what the collapse initiation was for each building? Your last post indicates you don't and you're just spewing things that sound "sciencey".
Look up the definitions of "static" and "dynamic" loads. That will explain a lot to you.
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 I know all about them but all we hear is a typical few words that don't actually tell the whole story. With newtons law there is an equal and opposite reaction. So the weight gives an opposite effect which in turn the matterials of both parts get destoryed. The top was weaker than below. It needs proper investigating to truely understand it. Thats why there is so many on the net asking for it to be done. look up 120 mph car or 500 mph plane into concreate. physics tell it all.
benjyboba 3 days ago
@benjyboba "I know all about them"
I don't think you do. Especially if you are pulling out the "Newton's 3rd Law" meme, completely ignoring his 1st and 2nd laws, along with KE of the dynamic load of the buildings!
And again, what does the "The top was weaker than below" statement have to do with how the buildings collapsed?
Hint: were the floor connections stronger, weaker or the same from top to bottom?
See if you can figure it out from there!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 No one is disputing about it falling, The top would have destroyed itself as it wasnt stronger than below but weaker. Who are you trying to kid. All your trying to suport is that it fell naturally. There was nothing natrual about the dustification. The building fell straight down, it had to pass through 183 ft x 90 ft of 47 steel central core columns. That is the confusing part, not the floors or anything else. The amount of dusts sugests it wasnt natural proven by scientiests.
benjyboba 3 days ago
@benjyboba Again, no steel was dustified and you haven't come close to even suggesting you have proof that it was. Literally hundreds of thousands of tons of steel was recovered and examined. You have tried to hand wave this away as it "all coming down to one document", completely ignoring, as I pointed out to you, that as many as 15,000 people worked on site recovering this steel.
Your suggestion is ludicrous on its face!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 yes, says the manipulated data written by the lieing hand. I wish you would learn the meaning of the word conspiracy. I can't accept the attitude of people against the truthers. it shows the typical nature of a compulsive liar, angry words are used and name calling. People with that sort of nature DO NOT TELL THE TRUTH.
benjyboba 2 days ago
@benjyboba "People with that sort of nature DO NOT TELL THE TRUTH."
What have I not told the truth about, Benjy?
Be specific.
And why won't you address the 15,000 workers at GZ who saw, handled, moved and shipped the steel from the WTC Towers? None of which "dustified".
Or is this what you consider the "meaning of the word conspiracy"?
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@cantonear1968 Numbers does not sugest a thing, people can be paid to be quite or be working under cover. A conspiracy will make numbers and make it sound impossible by lieing to divert people away from the truth. Whos to say the numbers are truth. You instantly claim it wasn't dustified, yet there is a video of remaining core column after it collapsed. it goes directly down and its massive, physics wont let that happen, it has no where to go, yet it turns in to dust like its weak.
benjyboba 2 days ago
@benjyboba "people can be paid to be quite or be working under cover"
So you think 15,000 people, many of whom are now dying from 9/11 Disease and have nothing to lose by keeping quiet, are "in on it"?
You have hit the Irreducible Delusion. The point where you will accept any irrational theory or hand wave away any relevant facts merely to keep this story alive in your head.
You even believe you are seeing steel "dustifying" on video.
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@cantonear1968 Stop trying to hide the fact it was an inside job, i can't believe you even believe anyone is going to believe the official bullshit anyway. Blaming the design of the building. It was desinged to take a fully loaded airplane hit it and it didn't fall on impact. if the design was that bad it would have fallen on impact. Don't blame the fires as the colour wasn't white hot in any video, the fires wasn't hot enough to even weak steel if you check the colour heat charts.
benjyboba 2 days ago
@benjyboba "It was desinged to take a fully loaded airplane hit"
Which it did.
"if the design was that bad it would have fallen on impact"
Nothing to do with the conditions it was subjected to later.
"the colour wasn't white hot in any video"
What wasn't? The fire? You expect to see a "white hot fire"?
What?
"if you check the colour heat charts."
You know it's not the color of the fire that's important, right?
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@cantonear1968 "You know it's not the color of the fire that's important, right?"
The colour of the fire using charts can tell us the temperatures of the fire. The colour sugests the fire wasn't hot enough to even weaken the steel.
benjyboba 2 days ago
@benjyboba I may be corrected on this, but I do not believe you can tell the temperature of a fire merely by color. I believe the color chart you are referring to is for metal. An example is here:
watch?v=DhHzMttUKO0&feature=related
2:35
Now, a normal office fire can reach peak temperatures of 1100C, and sustained temperatures of over 700C. This was proven by NIST, the Cardington Tests in Manchester and 100 years of fire investigation.
Steel loses half its strength at 600C.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 The madrid building done a very good job of withstanding a 20 hour inferno, the whole building was in flames, not just parts of it. Apparently NIST did a cover up job on the experiments, one guy was challenging them and he lost his job. They couldn't even get the floors to collapse in the ovens they used. With the videos i've seen of the Nist engineer, clearly shows him nervous and even smurking when explosives are mentioned. Also how they ignored physics data at a conference.
benjyboba 1 day ago
@benjyboba Benjy, get your facts straight before posting. The Windsor Tower in Madrid had the upper 8 steel framed floors collapse 2 hours after the fire started. The reason it did not suffer global collapse is because it had a concrete core, something the WTC Towers did not.
Who lost his job? If you are referring to Kevin Ryan, he didn't work for NIST!
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 That building was a proper inferno, the towers was fuck all, it dont compair. I did see a video showing, it wasnt the steel that failed. ill find it later for ya when I got time. i'm a little to busy to talk to you atm.
benjyboba 1 day ago
@benjyboba "A concrete core and concrete frame supported the first 16 floors. Above that was a central support system of concrete columns, supporting concrete floors with steel perimeter columns. An additional feature was the presence of two 'technical floors' - concrete floors designed to give the building more strength."
"The steel columns above the 17th floor suffered complete collapse, partially coming to rest on the upper technical floor."
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cantonear1968 23 hours ago
@cantonear1968 Well lets think about the amount of building that was actually on fire in the towers. Most fo the building was perfectly fine, so most of the building had full strengh. I'm still not so sure about the weakening of steel and actual proof but the building was stronger belown which would mean the above floors are actually weaker. heat rises. Whatever the case it wasnt good.
benjyboba 21 hours ago
@benjyboba "but the building was stronger belown "
Which brings us full circle to my question:
were the floor truss connections to the core and perimeter columns stronger, weaker or the same from top to bottom?
cantonear1968 21 hours ago
@cantonear1968 It doesnt matter how weak the floors would be, it doesnt explain a disapearing core.
benjyboba 16 hours ago
@benjyboba A "disappearing" core doesn't need explaining because the core didn't "disappear". If you would actually educate yourself on how the buildings actually collapsed, as proven by the evidence collected, by 15,000 workers, which you won't acknowledge, you would possibly know this.
cantonear1968 3 hours ago
@cantonear1968 A disapearing core does explain everything, the massive steel that is bent like a horse shoe with NO CRACKS IN IT would need EXTREME TEMPERATURES TO HAVE IT BEND LIKE THAT, yet It was SAID TEMPERATURES WASN'T THAT HOT. Numbers of Workers don't mean anything. ALl they knew was to do their job and didn't question anything.
benjyboba 1 hour ago
@benjyboba And I like how you guys are body language experts!
I'll tell you what; I don't think John Gross looked nervous at all! And I'd be smug too if some idiot truther started bringing up this nonsense at a serious engineering conference. And I'd be laughing at him too!
I have asked you many, many times what "physics were ignored". Either answer that question or stop bringing it up.
cantonear1968 1 day ago
@cantonear1968 I've heard they way they spoke at the conference and they are evading answering the questions. He was nervous, it don't take a body laungugae expert to relise that. He knew and the guilt was killing him. He was at ground zero and he didnt know of any video evidence. His got to say that. He don't want to lose his job now does he.
benjyboba 1 day ago
@benjyboba And I say he doesn't look nervous at all.
So what do you think our opinions are worth as proof?
Nothing.
Move on.
cantonear1968 23 hours ago
@cantonear1968 If you say so, the video to me and many others anyway, everyone i shown the video to, my friends in real world. They all say he was nervous. all of them. But hey if you want to think what you think then its fine by me.
benjyboba 21 hours ago
@benjyboba "everyone i shown the video to, my friends in real world"
Do you mean other conspiracy theorists?
cantonear1968 21 hours ago
@cantonear1968 I'm talking of people who know nothing about any of it and I get their opinions. So far everyone of them has said the same.I give them both sides of the story too and they all says the offical is flawed. This has nothing to do with me, I ask them for their opinions.
benjyboba 16 hours ago
@benjyboba "So far everyone of them has said the same"
Uh huh.
cantonear1968 3 hours ago
@benjyboba And again, your resent posts indicate you have absolutely no idea how the buildings collapsed.
So again: were the floor connections to the core and perimeter columns stronger, weaker or the same from the top to the bottom?
Do you understand the difference between a static and a dynamic load?
What was the collapse mechanism for the WTC Towers? For WTC 7?
It's all there for you if only you would look. And pull yourself out of the delusion the buildings "dustified".
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 Your report too don't explain how it collapsed and nor does the offical. you only got to listen to the pancake theory, where are the central core columns. i'm not going to say what they looked like, i'm going to link a video so people can see them all.
Let the people see what fell down watch?v=x5CgoS0hfQA&feature=fvst
I don't care what lies any cover up fool wishes to say but the video shows the truths.
benjyboba 2 days ago
I can honestly say that these RKOwens4 videos are as absurd as any disinformation video on these subjects. I don't see how anyone could believe them. Even if they didn't know anything about the subject it wouldn't take much research to find the flaws, take the melting temp of aluminum for example, specifically how hot it has to get before it glows. It's not hard to find accurate info about that so how long does RKOwens4 really expect to fool people? Oh and 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
mrh785 2 days ago
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@mrh785 "It's not hard to find accurate info"
Then why won't you talk about it?
You always run away when asked to produce this "info".
Oh wait. Here's one:
"take the melting temp of aluminum for example, specifically how hot it has to get before it glows."
Yes, let's take that one:
at what temperature does aluminum begin to glow reddish/yellow?
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@mrh785 "Oh and 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!"
And when exactly are you going to get to offering something that proves that?
Just saying it doesn't make it so, you know?
What was the collapse mechanism for the WTC Towers? For WTC 7?
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@mrh785
The only disinformation videos come from the twoofer cults you follow!
And once again, 9/11 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!
DTD110865 2 days ago
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@DTD110865 "And once again, 9/11 WAS AN OUTSIDE JOB!"
Are you talking Mossad here? ISI? MI5 or 6?
Or one of the many private contractors of tyranny?
Or is it still the CIA's arab legion aka: Al Qaeda?
"I thought these guys were double agents"....
says a. former Huffman Aviation executive
Disdain4Lies 2 days ago
@benjyboba "why on earth the bomb at the bottom never brought it down in 1993"
Because it was a very crude bomb that was unable to sever key structural supports.
But does that not tell you something? That was a 1500 lb bomb and it didn't even budge the buildings! How much do you think would be required to actually get the job done? Oh never mind! I forgot you think it was a photon torpedo from the Klingons!
cantonear1968 4 days ago
@cantonear1968 hang on a minute, this was at the bottom of the building, wouldn't all the weight of the building above crush itself after the bomb hit it. Something you just admited is it needs to take out key structures. with the size of the building as you also said. it would take some doing to take out the key structures wouldnt it. Terrible events. why if they had knowledge it was going to happen again didnt they put a stop to it.
benjyboba 4 days ago
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@benjyboba "wouldn't all the weight of the building above crush itself after the bomb hit it"
Not if the bomb didn't do any damage to the structural components!
Didn't we go over that? That support columns were not severed?
"it would take some doing to take out the key structures"
Yes!
Like a 60,000 ton building being dropped on them!
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@benjyboba And why didn't it collapse from the fire? First off, I don't believe it was 6 floors, but I will check that. But the key here, and which is why most truthers get confused comparing this to other building fires, is that it was fought by the FDNY. The were on scene within 15 mins and it was on lower floors so they didn't have a 70 story climb to get to it. The WTC Towers burned unfought for 55 and 105 mins respectively.
cantonear1968 4 days ago
@cantonear1968 Burned for 3 hours and totally under control, I don't think so.
benjyboba 4 days ago
@benjyboba I didn't say that. It's not about bringing the fire "totally under control", but keeping the structural components in the area from over heating to the point of failure. This is accomplished by spraying water on them.
And the fire was almost totally contained to the 11th floor. Some spread to the 9th and 14th floors, but were almost immediately extinguished.
So in other words, nothing what occurred on 9/11.
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@cantonear1968 3 hours of fire was imediately under control. I don't think so. doesn't it say that office fires can't reach temperaturess to cause any problems anyway.Your right, nothing like 9/11, it was much more intense, 3 hours of fires compaired to the small 9/11 fire and it was at the bottom of the building with much more weight on top of it.
benjyboba 3 days ago
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@benjyboba "3 hours of fire was imediately under control."
ON FLOORS 9 AND 14! WHERE THE FIRES SPREAD TO! FLOOR 11 WAS WHERE THE FIRE STARTED AND WHERE IT WAS THE MOST INTENSE AND BURNT THE LONGEST!!
Please try reading what I write as opposed to what you want to respond to.
"it was much more intense"
Based on what?
cantonear1968 3 days ago
@benjyboba
good lord dude, stop smoking the crack pipe
Denierbud11 4 days ago
@Denierbud11 Don't believe in taking stuff, not a piece of scum.
benjyboba 4 days ago
There off again everyone, I thought they were taking a break. Dear DTD, dont you think i've not analysed the towers in depth. i've seen too much from actual contruction videos to theories on how it could share its weigh with other columns and designed against high winds. I do keep an open ind to every possibility but when i get someone who says twoofers this name and that and when i see steel turn to dust but you wont admit it. solid steel can fall straight down as it had no where to fall.
benjyboba 4 days ago
Why the hell did they flip the cars upside down on 911, why did someone park a car on top of a fence, why do liars feel they can control the situation by selectiveness. Why do truthers bother with some very unintelligent people. The people that truely done 911 has caused all these debates. i'm not naming them because no one can name who they are but people get blamed on news within 30 mins.
benjyboba 5 days ago
@benjyboba "Why the hell did they flip the cars upside down on 911, why did someone park a car on top of a fence"
Because they were clearing the cars out of the area and they could care less about them when they did it!
Seriously? This is your evidence for DEWs? Upside down cars and cars on fences?
Please tell me you have something better than that! Like maybe try and answer how much energy would be needed to accomplish this fete? Woods was asked this and had no idea!
cantonear1968 5 days ago
@cantonear1968 What a bunch of idiots, why on earth would they turn a car upside down when they can move it much easier on the wheels. Its strange you should say about the upsidedown car as it was parked next to a car which is the right way up. Woods is inteligent and don't answer in the way you hope. You dont have the understanding. I understand what she means very well. Have you got video evidence of them fliping cars over. wouldnt it be easier to toe them away.
benjyboba 5 days ago
@benjyboba "why on earth would they turn a car upside down when they can move it much easier on the wheels"
Except when they are using forklifts and front loaders!!
Like they would have to use because these cars had just been crushed and scattered from a falling building!
Are you honestly this dense!
"Have you got video evidence of them fliping cars over"
You have an awful lot of nerve, and complete lack of understanding of irony, to ask that question!
cantonear1968 5 days ago
@cantonear1968 The falling building turned to dust though, does dust cruch 1400 cars which couldnt even park in the small area. now thats asking alot isnt it. I'd rather believe the lady with the phd, she is more logical. that car i speak of had no building falling on it. building vanished into thin air. why cars only half look like they burnt yet plastic was untouched. I gotta find that boat video wiht the hutchison effect its amazing. he even had trouble with militray taking his equipment.
benjyboba 5 days ago
@benjyboba "The falling building turned to dust though"
You keep saying that yet you haven't provided anything that proves it. I've proven that all of the steel was recovered. You simply hand wave it away as "faked".
That's not a rebuttal and that's not evidence!
You're done here. It's just a shame you don't understand that.
cantonear1968 5 days ago
@cantonear1968 No with a document you gotta put trust into whoever wrote it, it can be manipulated. the video i sent shows the still standing central core falling directly down. its not possible to fall down the way it did as it was already on the ground, it wasnt weak as it never burnt in the fires at the top. it turned to dust from the bottom up. look at the other links i posted. I will wave away a load of lies, look at the photograph which shows ground zero flat and wtc 7 still standing.
benjyboba 5 days ago
Mr Cant & Never Will
You're all similar to old men and diapers in nursing homes
Constantly rambling what little they remember
Blind as a babe in the womb
Always on someones ass
and full of shit
Pity the one who changes y'all
Disdain4Lies 5 days ago
@Disdain4Lies
YOU are similar to patients in mental hospitals who actually BELONG IN THEM!
Seeing only what your warped mind has beein conditioned to see
Never considering why what you say might be wrong
But it's YOU that's full of shit!
DTD110865 5 days ago
Disdain4Lies 5 days ago
@Disdain4Lies
Yeah, you deserve that shit more than anything else, mother fucker!
For somebody with the screen name "Disdain4Lies," you sure tell a lot ot them!
DTD110865 5 days ago
@DTD110865 My my, feel better now?
Maybe pulling legs off of spiders or torturing the neighbors cat will ease your stress until your psych appointment tomorrow morning. Perhaps a change of meds is in order as well. The current ones aren't working.
Disdain4Lies 5 days ago
@Disdain4Lies
Sorry, but I'm nto into that shit, nor do I need a psych appointment, let alone any meds.
DTD110865 4 days ago
@DTD110865 Take a holiday dude or your end up breaking the keyboard in frustration.
benjyboba 4 days ago
@DTD110865 Able to limit your profanity to one per post!
Maybe there is hope for you
Only one misspelled word too!
Where's my smiley face stickers?
Disdain4Lies 4 days ago
@Disdain4Lies
Too bad you don't have a limit on the number of lies.
DTD110865 3 days ago
@DTD110865 DTD is one of the liars, keeps ignoring simple physics evidence which he don't want to understand. Also can metal be destroyed with hutchison effect. Well he won't see it but this vid shows some effects. watch?v=8Ywm8KZtvb4&feature=related
benjyboba 2 days ago
@benjyboba "keeps ignoring simple physics evidence "
What "physics evidence" was "ignored".
Please be specific and its application.
Why hasn't Hutchinson reproduced his claims from 33 years ago in a laboratory condition?
Do you understand how silly you sound? There is absolutely no evidence that Hitchinson's claims has any merit yet you believe it simply because you want to believe it!
Ridiculous!
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@cantonear1968 Did you watch part 2 of the hutchison video, it shows the military took all his equipment, he did re-collect in his small apartment and do his own thing, they claim it never worked. i'm undecided but consider the possiblity, especially as i know sound can hit resonance and vibrate but his work is at a different level, messing with molecular structure. Microwaves can give out sparks with metals. When I speak of any physics, I mean you can test it for youself, yet they still lie.
benjyboba 2 days ago
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@benjyboba "it shows the military took all his equipment"
Uh huh!
According to who? Him?
Why has Hutchinson not reproduced his claims in a laboratory setting for 33 years?
"When I speak of any physics, I mean you can test it for youself, yet they still lie"
What lies are you speaking of when it comes to "physics"? Be specific.
cantonear1968 2 days ago
@benjyboba
No YOU are one of the liars, and YOU keep ignoring the unique design features of the WTC, while you babble on about laws of physics that you ASSUME contradict "the official story."
DTD110865 2 days ago
@DTD110865 You're the one that go against the laws of physics, you simply ignore the fact shown in the vidoe, the steel column which is free standing on its own after the building come down and it goes straight down into the ground, physics say steel is solid to stand up, yet it goes down, solid objects have no where to go, so the steel has to topple over. its not possible without it being weak enough to crumble into dust. there was no fire at the bottom. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 2 days ago
JUST FYI, THE USER KNOWN AS cantonear1968 IS A KNOWN SHILL. HE'S ON THESE 9/11 PAGES SPREADING DISINFORMATION ABOUT THE EVENTS OF 9/11/01. LIKE OTHER SHILLS HE CLAIMS TO BE AN "EXPERT", IN THIS CASE A FORMER "NAVIGATOR" FOR THE AIR FORCE. HE IS 100% FULL OF CRAP & SHOULD NOT BE TAKEN AT HIS WORD. HE IS NOTHING MORE THAN A DISINFORMATION PUSHER. HE WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT ANY RESEARCH & RESEARCHERS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE OFFICIAL STORY & WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE TRUTH MOVEMENT AS A WHOLE.
mrh785 6 days ago 5
@mrh785 "THE USER KNOWN AS cantonear1968 IS A KNOWN SHILL"
Too bad you are unable to offer any evidence that proves this. Much like how you fall drastically short of offering any of this mythical "(/11 Was An Inside Job" evidence.
I guess this is why you have stopped replying directly to me or addressing any of the points that take away your belief system.
cantonear1968 5 days ago
@mrh785 "IN THIS CASE A FORMER "NAVIGATOR" FOR THE AIR FORCE."
Where have I EVER claimed to be that?
LOL!
I think you're a little punch drunk from all the ass kickings you've taken! You can't keep straight who's giving you the smack down!
LOL!
cantonear1968 5 days ago
@mrh785 "WILL ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THE TRUTH MOVEMENT AS A WHOLE."
The truth movement does just fine with that on their own!
They do not need any help from me!
Ha!
cantonear1968 5 days ago
CANTONEAR1968 CLAIMS JUDY WOODS WITH HER PHD IN ENGINEERING DONT KNOW WHAT SHE IS ON ABOUT. HIS TOO THICK TO THINK FOR HIMSELF, HE USES THE SAME WORDS AS THE REST OF THE COVER UP PEOPLE. HOW CAN ANYONE COVER UP MANY OF THESE FACTS. STEEL TURNING INTO DUST. WATCH THE JUDY WOODS THE NEW HIROSHIMA TO FIND OUT MANY THINGS THAT HAPPENED WHICH ARE NOT EXPLAINABLE TO A NORMAL COLLAPSE.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba Yes, I use the factual words that evidence shows us which other rational people use. That obviously makes us shills!
Fuck, how can you be this stupid!
R E A S E A R C H
Try it some time. You may learn something.
cantonear1968 6 days ago
@cantonear1968 I TELL YOU WHAT, ME AND YOU TAKE A LIE DETECTOR TEST AND SEE WHO IS TELLING LIES. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT DISRESPECTFUL TORWARDS OTHERS. THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE KNOW THE TRUTH YET YOU STIL TRY TO COVER UP WITH ILLOGICAL BULLSHIT. A CONSPRIRACY IS COMMITED BY A GROUP OF PEOPLE ALL COVERING ONE ANOTHER. IT CAN'T BE DONE ALONE. SHAME ON YOU.
benjyboba 6 days ago
Like to see just 1 of you flippant freaks in the same room with a man who lost a loved one and knows the guilty heads are still attatched. Even the women would gouge your lying eyes out.
MrNoblemanoflove 6 days ago
@MrNoblemanoflove
We killed one of the guilty heads in Pakistan and buried him at sea.
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 Then your go and kill another one that will rise to take their place right ? Do you honestly think that captain caveman was a threat to you. I sugest you get some books and learn about them, go and spend time with those people before you make judgements. JUDGE FOR YOURSELF, NOT ON SOMEONE ELSES BEHALF.
benjyboba 6 days ago
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@benjyboba
"Then your go and kill another one that will rise to take their place right ? Do you honestly think that captain caveman was a threat to you"
The man you refer to as 'Captain Caveman" said he was a threat himself, dickhead!!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 Indeed, which OBL dbl and what year?
Woe is me to match wits with one so mired in the murky minds of military matters, black & white, overt & covert....
Do fill our feeble minds with more fables....wont'cha?
In fact, forget it, reading one sentence of your's IS a sentence....
MrNoblemanoflove 6 days ago
@MrNoblemanoflove
There's only one, and we killed him in May 2011! I'm not the one filling anybody's minds with fables!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 Please son, save your fiction for those needing a bedtime story.
Struggling through a few paragraphs of your scribblings was torture a plenty:
"The poing you're making IS A LIE!!"....impressive indeed...
Poing pong is not your game. meboy...
MrNoblemanoflove 6 days ago
@MrNoblemanoflove
II'm not the one with the fiction, fuckwad!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 No you're the one with the THICKTION LIEING ASSHOLE. MANY YEARS AGO FLYING MACHINES WERE ONCE FICTION OR THICKTION IN YOUR CASE. YOUR SO DUMB YOU DONT ACTUALLY THINK FOR YOURSELF. A BUILDING TURNED TO DUST. THERE IS TOO MUCH DUST FOR IT NOT TO BE TRUE. watch?v=zHwutpJ9vTs
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
BULL-FUCKING-SHIT!! I DO think for myself, while YOU regurgitate twoofer buzzwords and blurt out "physics" and "science" to give your propaganda some false image of crediblity. This propaganda DOES NOT compare to out inability to make airplanes before 1902, and that same video you keep showing also has some of the steel NOT turning to dust, which you fuckwits insist on IGNORING!!
DTD110865 5 days ago
@DTD110865 No you're under orders and instructions. You haven't got what it takes to tell the truth. Why have I posted that video so many times you might wonder. MAybe its because your denying it. You said it was dust resting on the structure but solid structures can fall down 60 stories into the ground without toppling over.
watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
its obvious, you admit it and ill stop talking completely.
benjyboba 5 days ago
@benjyboba
I'm under NOBODY'S orders or instructions. I DO have what it takes to tell the truth. Both cantonear and I have explained that the twin towers weren't built like other skyscrapers, and if you did any kind of REAL research, you'd have to consider this as a factor for it's destruction. Once you do that, you'd understand how and why they collapsed. Instead, you insist on regurgitating twoofer propaganda, and looking for an excuse to blame the government.
DTD110865 4 days ago
@MrNoblemanoflove "Poing pong is not your game"
Ah! Scolding someone's spelling on a you tube comment! The mark of the truly desperate!
And defeated
cantonear1968 6 days ago
@MrNoblemanoflove NO DTD IS THE ONE WHO NEEDS THE BEDROOM STORY, HIS THE CHILD. HIS THE ONE WITH THE IGNORANCE. I TOLD HIM THE STEEL TURNED TO DUST, HE SAID NO BUT HE CAN'T EXPLAIN TO ME WHERE THE SOLID STEEL WENT, IT HAD NOTHING TO CRUSH IT AS IT WAS STANDING AFTER THE COLLAPSE. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
Yes, you kept telling me your "steel turned to dust" fairy taile, and I've been telling you IT'S A LIE!!
DTD110865 5 days ago
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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MY SON RYAN KYLE OWENS IS PAID TO MAKE THESE VIDEOS AND POST THEM ON YOUTUBE
Just wondering if this story is real. Never seen you post a comment anywhere to respond to this post, or any other. Would you kindy direct me where I can glean wisdom from your immeasurable mind? In your vast library of 6 fav's & 61 loads of lard I saw no dynamic dialogue or deep diagnosis from one so learned in all aspects of just who harbours the pearls of knowledge about the new Pearl Harbor
Disdain4Lies 1 week ago
watch?v=tAkWNxhBWjs
mrh785 1 week ago
lol, This is ABSURD DISINFORMATION.
It's 35 & 55 minutes after the WTC tower have been hit & another hijacked plane has changed course to head strait for Washington DC. The Air Force doesn't intercept & the anti aircraft defenses don't fire. NO F**KIN WAY.
mrh785 1 week ago
@mrh785
There ARE NO "anti-aircraft defenses" at the Pentagon.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865
watch?v=8XRMrMdn0NQ
mrh785 1 week ago
@mrh785
GARBAGE!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865
Unfortunately you are wrong, although the Pentagon has never specified that it had any AA defenses due to its refusal to discuss anything involving Pentagon operational details and matters of national defense/security. it would be absurd to say it didn't. April Gallop (Pentagon administrative specialist with SCI clearance) has stated that the Pentagon had multiple defense systems and mechanisms in place including Anti Air, her peers claim that there was "Glitch" on 9/11.
mackjeez 1 week ago
@mackjeez
no, the pentagon did not have surface to air missles deployed, April Gallop was a file clerk, how would she know? and she has a lawsuit seeking millions in damages -- so she has a direct financial motive to lie
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@Denierbud11
1: It is laughable to claim that the Pentagon has no AA system setup, even if that's the case the out zone missile detections systems can detect and shoot down aircraft's and/or missiles traveling at 13,000 mph in 10 minutes or less anywhere in the U.S.
2: April Gallop has confirmed SCI clearance not something that a file clerk would have, the judge appointed was John M. Walker, cousin of Bush, watch her lawyer's interview, you'll freak out a bit.
mackjeez 1 week ago
@mackjeez
The Pentagon is in walking distance of the Washington-Reagan International Airport. If they had the AA system you've deluded yourselves into thinking it has, no airplanes could get anywhere neear it.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@mackjeez
its laughable to start an argument from incredulity with the term laughable -- a real joke
there is an INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 2 MILES AWAY -- how do you figure this would work? just blow up any airliner that may stray off course by a few hundred yards?
April Gallop is a file clerk
John Walker is not a first cousin of Bush
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@Denierbud11
1: April Gallop is a administrative specialist with Top Secret and SCI clearance for the U.S army.
2: Never said first cousin, John M. Walker, Jr. father is George H.W. Bush maternal uncle, blood related cousins.
3: The Pentagon knew of Flight 77's position and situation by 8:56 AM and only contacted NORAD at 9:24 AM (28 minutes later?), the plane struck at 9:38 AM, now do you get my point.
mackjeez 1 week ago
@mackjeez
1) file clerk, she has no knowledge and is seeking a pay day, motive to lie
2) Ok, so he's a distant cousin, he was NOT the trial court judge, and was only one of three on the appelate pannel -- since it was unanimous, his vote was not even needed
3) no, the US does not shoot down passenger jets -- that order has NEVER been given in the Western world -- there were no air defense assets on the ground at the pentagon -- none
Denierbud11 1 week ago
@mackjeez "has stated that the Pentagon had multiple defense systems and mechanisms in place including Anti Air, her peers claim that there was "Glitch" on 9/11."
The Pentagon didn't have super-secret defense systems, nor is it "the most heavily defended building in America." It is merely a headquarters for the military. Essentially the same as a corporate office for a company. These are all romantic fantasies conspiracy theorists advance, that literally have no basis in reality.
MrSkunkwork100 1 week ago
@mackjeez
No, because I'm NOT wrong. April Gallup doesn't know what she't talking about.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 DTD110865 is wrong totally, just look his ARGUEING with EVERYONE INCLUDING ME, his a PERPETUAL LIAR TRYING TO DECEIVE PEOPLE CLAIMING EVERYONE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE. iT ACTUALLY THINKS HE SOUNDS GOOD WHEN HIS A COMPLETE IDIOT. HE SAYS JUDY WOODS IS CRAZY BUT SHE HAS A PHD IN ENGINEERING SO HOW CAN SHE BE CRAZY LIKE HE CLAIMS. HE IS VIDEO EVIDENCE OF THE SOLID STEEL CORE TURNING INTO DUST. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
No, YOU PEOPLE are the ones trying to deceive everyone! You're the one claiming you know more about it than the rest of us, but what you THINK you know is a flat out lie! Judy Wood IS crazy, because she thinks SPACE LAZERS destroyed the WTC, when everybody who was in New York City KNOWS it was AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 DTD110865 please explain how STEEL DOES THIS AND TURNS TO DUST. Don't try and CHANGE THE SUBJECT TO SPACE LASERS, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL TURNING INTO DUST AS SHOWN IN THE VIDEO. YOU NEED HELP. SERIOUSLY. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
You're the one who brought up Judy Wood and SHE'S the one who insists on the "space lasers" nonsense. The steel DID NOT turn to dust! It was the concrete!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 YES I DID BRING UP JUDY WOODS YOUR FOR ONCE RIGHT ON THAT BUT SHE SPOKE ABOUT THE BUILDING BEING TURNED INTO DUST.(THE MENTION OF SPACE LASERS WASN'T WHAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT) IF YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO, ILL SEND YOU A PRIVATE EMAIL WITH INSTUCTIONS AND HOPEUFLLY YOUR LEARN HOW TO VIEW IT. IT SHOWS STEEL TURNING TO DUST watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
I DON'T NEED instructions on how to watch that video, shithead!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@benjyboba
The fucking bitch IS crazy, and that same short video DOES NOT support your propaganda!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 WHY YOU CALLING HER A BITCH, WHAT SHE DONE TO YOU, THIS VIDEO SHOWS watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 THE STEEL TURNING INTO DUST, ITS PURE EVIDENCE THAT THE TOWERS FELL BECAUSE THE STRUCTURE WAS TURNED INTO DUST.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
You're right. She's a PSYCHOTIC BITCH!! The steel IS NOT turning to dust! The CONCRETE FLOORS are, because the steel was made too weak to hold them up BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING SCORCHED BY THE TWO JUMBO JETS THAT PLOWED INTO THEM!!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 I AM RIGHT BUT YOUR WRONG BY CLAIMING I SAID THINGS I NEVER. IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 THE STEEL TURNS INTO DUST. ITS OBVIOUS YOU HAVENT YET VIEWED THE VIDEO AS IT ONLY SHOWS THE STEEL COLUMNS LEFT AFTER THE COLLAPSE. THEY TURN TO DUST. WHY TRY AND DIVERT PEOPLE AWAY FROM MY STATEMENT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL TURNING TO DUST IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 ADMIT IT AND ILL STOP. WHAT A SILLY THING YOU DONT KNOW WHEN TO QUIT LIEING, THE VIDEO PROVES YOU LIE
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
No, it's NOT obvious that I haven't seen the video, because I HAVE! You're just pissed that I didn't come to the same delusion/conclusion as you!!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 i'm no longer replying to idiots like yourself as you have a ignorance which can't accept anything lots of people all agree on, you can't deny the fact some videos shows so much dust in them. What do i argue wiht an idiot for. if you was here now id set up an experimentation to show you physics which prove but you wouldnt be interested. Just message me back and say your not intereted in the TRUTHers. You have a go at all TRUTHers. i'm going to let you carry on deceiving others, ok ?
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
Not as many people are stupid enough to believe your bullshit as you like to pretend there are. I never said the video doesn't show any dust. I just said that dust isn't the steel. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between the truth, and the so-called "truth mvoement," and that's why I call you people "twoofers." I'm STILL not the one deceiving others. That's your job.
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 Do you honestly want to put it to the test that people think what i say is bullshit. do you want every single truther in the word to comment against you. You only speak about yourself like its others. That is exactly how your stupid brain works, your probably paid to tell lies. I wouldnt want a job like that, the guilt and knightmares, o you dont have a concious do you. you probably have nothing good in your life. Give me a GOOD reason why you need to tell lies.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
REALITY proves that what you say is bullshit! And I DON'T CARE how many twoofer morons criticize me over this. You're still all lying your fucking asses off!
" Give me a GOOD reason why you need to tell lies."
I'm NOT the one telling lies, asshole!!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 PHYSICS SUCH AS IN THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 SHOW YOUR AN IGNORANT PRICK OR DOES IT SHOW YOUR TRYING TO COVER UP THE TRUTH.I THINK WE NEED TO GET YOU AN EXOERCIST TO CURSE OUT THE DEMON THATS TAKEN YOUR SOUL. TELL ME WHAT LIES I'M TELLING, YOU CANT DISPUT THE PHYSICS. STEEL CANT FALL DOWN ITS ON THE GROUND IT CAN ONLY TOPPLE OVER OR TURN INTO DUST.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
SHUT THE FUCK UP!!! PHYSICS MAKE NO DIFFERENCE!! THE TWIN TOWERS WEREN'T BUILT LIKE CONVENTIONAL SKYSCRAPERS, SO THERE'S NOTHIING SUSPICIOUS ABOUT THE COLLAPSE!! YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE TRUTH, I'M NOT TRYING TO COVER ANYTHING UP, AND YOU'D BE WASTING YOUR MONEY IF YOU TRIED TO GET AN EXORCIST ON ME!!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 I LOVE IT YOUR HAVEING A TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE, I CAN FEEL THE ANGER KNOWING YOU CANT WIN. NOW THE DESIGN HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT STEEL TURNED INTO DUST ON THIS VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 i THINK YOU NEED MORE THAN A EXOERCIST, PROBABLY NEED TO GO TO OZ TO SEE THE SCARECROW AND GET A BRAIN. YOUR A USELESS PIECE OF SHIT THAT CANT SUCESSFULLY TELL A LIE. YOU SHOULD FIND A JOB YOUR ACTUALLY GOOD AT. INSTEAD OF TRYING TO DIVERT PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE TRUTH.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
The design DOES have to do with how the towers collapsed, and once again, THE STEEL DID NOT TURN TO DUST!! I don't need to go to Oz to get brain. You need to return whateverr science degree you boast about having, because if somebody with no science degree like myself can prove you wrong, you wasted your college tuition. Also, it's YOU who's diverting people from the truth, not me.
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE STEEL THAT TURNED INTO DUST. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 YOU CAN'T YET ACCEPT THAT THE STEEL TURNS INTO DUST AND TRYING TO DIVERT EVERYONE SAYING IT WAS THE DESIGN THAT WAS THE REASON IT FELL. ANY DESIGN WITH STEEL TURNING TO DUST WILL COLLAPSE. LET ME LINK ANOTHER VIDEO SO PEOPLE CAN SEE HOW MUCH DUST WAS CREATED. watch?v=zHwutpJ9vTs .LOOK AT HOW MUCH STEEL TURNED INTO DUST YOU TOTAL FAILURE. THIS IS A NICE VIDEO.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@benjyboba
No, YOU are talking about steel turning into dust, and that's NOT WHAT HAPPENED! The planes rammed into the steel causing the huge fires that made the steel so weak it could no longer support itself, and it collapsed!!
DTD110865 6 days ago
@DTD110865 CAN YOU GIVE ME A PERCENTAGE OF THE BUILDING THAT THE FIRES COVERED AND THE DAMAGE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING. PARTICALLY THE WHOLE BUILDING WAS UNDAMAGED. YOU JUST TRY TO MAKE IRRELEVANT INFORMATION SOUND GOOD AND YOU FAIL LIKE THE CHILD YOU ARE. i THINK YOU NEED YOUR DIPERS CHANGED. BOTH THE ONE ON YOUR FACE AND YOUR ASS. MORE ON THE FACE WITH THE AMOUNT OF SHIT YOU TALK.
benjyboba 6 days ago
@mrh785 I tell you what, if someone attempted to fly there right now. Do you think they could make it. With aircraft maps, get one and you can see exactly how all the airspaces are limited. The military zones, they need a speciall ssr transponder code that normal aircraft dont have. They monitor aircraft and if someone dont have a transponder and radio etc, they intercept to find out the problem. Why would they let anyone disobey all the rules. end of story.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba I agree but I've heard them called I.F.F. transponders.
No way a hijacked/hostile plane makes it all the way to it's target in that airspace without being blown out of the sky, exept of course on 9/11/01. 9/11 is also a day in which the normal laws of physics don't apply.
mrh785 1 week ago
@mrh785 The laws of physics wasn't cheated my friend, they did aply, Its just no one knows precisely how the buildings structure was turned into dust. I watched judy woods the new hiroshma and can totally agree about the structure. The plane wouldn't have made the journey and why didnt the so called terrorists use the nearest airport to fly at the pentagon to make life easy or is ita military aiport.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba Did you know they linked 200 pieces of human remains from WTC to one person? That's just what they found! Obviously this is because of explosives.
mrh785 1 week ago
@mrh785
Horseshit! Depending on where this person was during the attack, it's either because of the crash or the fire, or even the collapse of the tower(s) themselves!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 Dtd110865 simply can't claim like it does that the building collapsing could have created all those body parts when it collapsed. There was not enough weight falling down as it was all turned into dust. proof is in this video here. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
A huge collapsing tower like this, and you think it CAN'T shatter a human being into multiple pieces upon impact? You're an imbecile. People have lost body parts with SMALLER things that that!!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 A HUGE COLLAPSING TOWER LIKE THAT AND I THINK IT CAN'T SHATTER A HUMAN INTO BITS. I KNOW IT CAN'T, YOU HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE RIGHT VIDEO YOU MORON, YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH INTELIGENCE, I LINKED IT, LEARN HOW TO VIEW IT. DUST CAN'T SHATTER HUMANS. GET IT THICKO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
No, you DON'T WANT TO think it can shatter a human into bits! If people can lose body parts with smaller things, like bullets, there's no reason to doubt that a massive tower like this can't shatter a person to pieces when it falls.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 NOW YOUR BEING IGNORANT AGAIN, YOUR TALKING ABOUT THE BUILDING SHATTERING A PERSON, I TOLD YOU TO WATCH THE VIDEO ON THIS LINK watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4 YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT WATCHED IT BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS DUST. ALSO YOUR DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT A PERSON BEING IN 200 PARTS. STOP USING DISINFORMATION. YOU DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO VIEW THE VIDEO., DUMB ASS.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
Moron, I've SEEN THAT VIDEO!! YOU PEOPLE are the ones using disinformation, NOT ME!!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 YOU HAVE TO BE THE THICKEST PERSON TO SAY SUCH SHIT, EVERYONE GO AND VIEW THIS SO CALLED DISINFORMATION, JUST WATCH THE VIDEO OF THE STEEL CENTRAL COLUMN TURNING INTO DUST. ITS VIDEO EVIDENCE AND DTD110865 CLAIMS ITS DISINFO. HE IS TALKING ABOUT HIMSELF THIS IS THE VIDEO watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@mrh785 200 PICES OF HUMAN REMAINS LINKED TO ONE PERSON. Thats almost as CRAZY AS THE STUPID IDIOT DTD110865 who REFUSES to LOOK AT SOME SOLID VIDEO EVIDENCE i POSTED SHOWING THE CORE COLUMS TURNING INTO DUST. I did actually HEAR SOME of the BODY PARTS were found on TOP of OTHER BUILDINGS.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
Yeah, it's so stupid that nobody has ever lost limbs during wartime!
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 i WOULD LOVE TO MEET YOU IN REAL LIFE. VIDEO OF US BOTH TALKING. PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE YOUR LOW LEVEL OF INTELIGENCE AND ATTITUDE AND I COULD GIVE YOU A SLAP THAT YOU DESERVE.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
No, they'd be able to see that you're a pretentions faux-intellectual. who is completely delusional.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 YOU MAKE A CLAIM BUT CAN'T BACK IT UP WITH PROOF. EVERY WORD YOU SPEAK ABOUT OTHERS IS TRUELY OF YOURSELF, WATCH THE VIDEO I LINK INSTEAD OF MAKING THINGS UP. ANYONE THAT WATCHES IT THINKS YOUR A COMPLETE DICKHEAD. watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
That video doesn't show anything that hasn't been shown before.
DTD110865 1 week ago
@DTD110865 PLEASE STATE WHICH VIDEO YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT HASN'T BEEN SHOWN BEFORE. DID YOU MANAGE TO SEE THE STEEL TURN INTO DUST OR ARE YOU SO IGNORANT TO THE TRUTH THAT YOU WILL IGNORE IT AND WRITE A STUPID MISSLEADING COMMENT LIKE THAT VIDEO DOESNT SHOW ANYTHING THAT HASNT BEEN SHOWN BEFORE.
benjyboba 1 week ago
@benjyboba
HEY IDIOT, THE STEEL ISN'T WHAT TURNED TO DUST!! IT WAS THE CONCRETE THAT THE STEEL NO LONGER HAD THE ABILITY TO HOLD UP!! YOU DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT THE TRUTH AND YOU TWOOFERS ARE THE ONES MISLEADING EVERYBODY!!!
DTD110865 1 week ago