@TheLegoair If you read the discription it is out of sand. EMD would do this to. GE's are not bad, maybe it's your opinion but, they are just as good as EMD. My point if it does not matter who makes the engine if you don't have sand this will happen to any locomotives EMD or GE
CSX started replacing the jointed rail on this branch with continuous rail this week. Not sure how long the project will take but starting at the switch, they've got a large portion done in a couple days. Looks like it rides much better than the crooked jointed rail that was there. Not sure when they'll start building the new tipple
I threw sand under slipping equipment many times. These were huge cranes, track machines, and other equipment that didn't necessary carry sand, yet we HAD to get the machines underway somehow. It usually was because of wet rail or mechanical failure. I am amazed at some of the comments of the non-railroaders and the "foamers" who drool over slipping equipment!
@JerryNSretired Reminds me of when our 44tonner's sanders did not work. We were trying to pull our 0-6-0 which was sitting for many years & there was a lot of wheelslip. We made a few crew members get handfull's of sand and throw it under the wheels, it worked & got us moving & that's what counts
Locomotive consists are built at the point of origin by calculating tonnage of the train and horsepower required based on the greatest "grade" (slope of terrain ) the train will encounter during its run. This is sometimes known as a power plan. Shown as the ratio HP/Ton. The grade is shown as a percentage. ( 0% being flat and 100% being straight up vertical) 0-6 percent or more is normal with 6 being a very steep grade. The bigger the grade the higher the ratio of HP/Ton required.Weather factor
For awhile, the regular train that was delivering and picking up on this branch were two SD70's, but now they have a GEVO and an C40-8 that bring it in and pick it up.
For awhile, the regular train that was delivering and picking up on this branch were two SD70's, but now they have a GEVO and an C40-8 that bring it in and pick it up.
On the BNSF, it is a common practice to use DPU's on the rear of both loaded and empty coal trains, the most common are the 2x2 configuration but sometimes they will use the 3x1, 3x2, and once in a while they will put all three or sometimes up to four locomotives up front, the UP does the same as well, I guess the CSX operates differently.
On the BNSF, it is a common practice to use rear DPU's for both loaded and omty coal trains, we have 2x2, 3x1, 3x2 and sometimes they will have three or four locomotives all up front, I guess the CSX operates differently, the UP does the same practice as the BNSF as well.
@Roboboy Helpers...in the middle...of the consist, are pretty much a thing of the past. More often than not, they're at the rear, anymore........although sometimes they might add power to the point only, but...
I've been at that point, only with a light locomotive trying to climb a grade when the rails are covered with snow, packed snow, and some ice: not fun, and the temperature doesn't help. Thanks for sharing.
@1jackdk What's with the Helper unit crew....Not getting off their asses and helping hand sand the rails ?!!??.......Not part of their union protected " job description " or What ?? Thank God for railfans willing to help. Nineteen degrees is Nothing....come on out here MT / ND / SD & WY where 10 to 40 degrees BELOW zero is not uncommon...and That, is Ambient temps. with NO wind chill factored into it.
@blueticecho No units on the hind end at this point. They are coming off a branch line after loading coal. The hind end units are waiting on the side. After the train gets on the meinline, they make a 5 mile run west, swap ends of trains, and the helper units get on to shove the train back east over the mountains. You will see that in part II video attached in the information section in this clip. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...
If the locomotives are good for tonnage on that division they will only use that much power. It is hell on a engineer trying to keep that damn thing stuck to the rail, it is a handful!
Cool video. Will spinning wheels cut grooves in the rail? Or do they make the wheels out of softer material so they will grind off before damaging rails? I couldn't help but laugh at these guys, even knowing their situation. Here's a couple of hundred ton locos, hitched to a kazillion ton load of coal .... and a guy in front of it with a 4 pound sack of sand. I think that's what they call UNDER-kill.
@offamychain A small amount of sand go a very long way. Thats he reason why CSX orders all new locomotives to weigh 432,000lbs. The 2 in the video are 412,000lbs each. To answer your question, wheels and rails have to be made of the hardest steel that money can buy. When a locomotive wheel spins in the same spot of rail for a prolonged period, it will dig a groove in the rail due to the weight of the locomotive. I observed a NS GP60 due this at the NS Detroit Oakwood Yard.
i will upload them later and for the last cuestion , yes the wheels on the engines rises a bit as the sand gets compressed by the weight of the locomotive but like i said nothing will hapend as long as on rail remains clear of sand ,for shure a derrailment will hapend if both rails are covered and the danger increases if you run through it at speed. Saludos from northern Mexico and Ferromex
Kenneth Uriarte Motive Power and Rolling Stock Superintendent.
sadly we dont have some one in ferromex to encourage people to carry shovels on engines becouse that only hapends in this part of the country so it depends on the crews working in this district, i tell them about it but you know like normall mexicans they just dont care about it , they just carry their bags and thats it. the bad thing is when a derrailment hapends do to sand on the track they always blame it to the MOW crews. I have some videos of how this work is done with the spreader.
hello jack, Ferromex uses a Jordan spreader to remove it from the sides of the track but it doesnt work really good becouse sand is heavier and if the engine pushes to hard it derails the spreader, its a hard job to do .in older days crews just put a tie or two in front of the engine and sweeped it but that worked if there was a bit of sand only. When you run over sand it feels very strong and noisey specially with older engines a small amount of sand as little as a coin shakes everything.
well is great to see this becouse where i work in ferromex almost 2 or 3 times per month instead of puting sand in the rails we have to move it away from it. some times we spend up to 4 hours to doit with owr own hands risking owr lives becouse of scorpions and rattlesneaks baried underneath the sand. when we travel at speed sometimes we struck with small acumulations of sand but as long as one rail stays clean nothing hapends. grat catch, saludos from mexico.
@kennethberto Is there some kind of powerful air compressor which could blow sand from the rails directly in front of the wheels or sweep sand from the rails?
How does the locomotive feel when you run over sand? Do the wheels ever slightly rise up on top of the sand?
No shovels carried in locomotives to lower your risk and speed sand removal?
If you find a Csx engine with sand in the front sand box... That's because they are broken/not working. Or you are very lucky someone at the engine terminal did his job which is very rare. Csx will also fire you for not walking in straight line or even backing your personal auto into a parking space at your home terminal ( yes, you don't even have to be near a train to break rules). But no worries, at least our management is so incompetent... Any decent LC will win your hearing and you will hav
I remember this guy last year. That coal came off the spur that branches off right below my house and runs into Shaw Mines. It took him forever to climb up into and out of Meyersdale.
does the snow plow actually touch the rails on the way to clear the snow off? or does the wheel do that on its own under the immense weight of the train
@Sparatan117 The plow desn't make contact with the rails. It is several inches above, and just plows the deeper snow, and drifts. The wheels tend to slip even with the emmense weight. Steel to steel. They will even slip in the rain, or when fall leaves lay on the track. Sand is used to get the trains rolling on slippery rail. If they remember to feel the sand boxes up. LOL
Some of the squeal is a result of the steel on steel contact between the wheels and the rails. You get a lot of rail squeal when there isn't any sand or snow on them.
@bluesguitardude These locomotives computer systems permit the wheels to do a certain amout of slipping on the rail to get the most traction. You hear the wheels spinning on the sanded rail. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...
@1jackdk wow... impressive... ever since i was a child (3 yrs old,) i've loved locos... both diesel and steam... as soon as i finish college, i will get a job at the railways... :)
ijust dont understand why america need the fraight trains to be about 50 miles long thats where the problem its too much strain on the engin we learnted by that merstake here in the uk
@talktalkmodem The difference between railroading in North America and the UK is dramatically different. In this continent the railroads are not taxpayer funded and we move long, heavy trains very efficiently. Much more so than the light freights in the UK.
Not saying either is better. You do what you have to do to service the industries available to you.
If periodically freights are underpowered or overpowered...that's going to happen
@CaliforniaRailfan101 That's exactly what they are going to do.But they can't put the helper engines on until the stalling train gets completely off the spur line.Then they can put the helpers on the end of the stalling train.
just typical! It's always someone 'forgetting' to do their job properly which has repercussions, literally in this case, down the line!! Happens here too, and I suspect all over the world. [I wonder if fitting retractable brushes would prove viable just in front of the leading wheel set?]
wow! I caught something like this in my Plant City video- These AC44's have a HTE computer program- I realize they were out of sand...Huh...anyways cool video! This is why I love trains! Awsome!
If this was CN the engineers would be blamed for this. CN management does not get the locos refilled with sand and when the train stalls they say you had enough power to make it you fucked up. thats the CN way. If i was the engineer of this train i would pound those helper locomotive engineers.
@lexmarks567 Naw, they're not quite that bad, tell management to suck a fat one and download you and see if you did anything wrong. They can shout at you, but they can't do shit if they can't prove you did something wrong.
@justinfrnfr all railways PERIOD!!! (besides Cog and narrow gage) have like a 3.5% or sumthing grade limit... the steepest grade in north america used to be "the Big Hill" where the Spiral Tunnels are today in Canada where the old grade was a ridiculous 4.4% and the new grade is 2.4%.
Man, she's down on her knees and pulling hard! If I was that crew, I'd 1. Settle a score with those who didn't fill the sand box and 2. Settle a score with the fellows in the helper engines. Mighty nice of them to just sit and watch! Great description, too!
@1jackdk The engineer is suppose to inspect his Units before each trip, check sand, brakes, etc. The crew should have doubled the grade, there are no crews anymore.
CSX needs to stop investing in GE's like every other class I and get more EMD power, I'm not saying that with EMD's the same problem won't occur, but EMD's tend to be more reliable when it comes to a job like this, just saying.
The sanders might be plugged. So why do you run a tonnage train in weather like this? CSX should know better! Not only do you stall you tie up the whole downgraded, dumsized railroad, and kill all the crews! Then your out of men to run the railroad. Plus the units are tied up running this sled! Instead of moving equipment your paying rent on! Or making more revenue. railfully yours, a Chesamore and Ohio fan.
@sidney001 Actually I like your response. This is exactly what happens daily when rail managers have to make decisions such as how much power do you assign a train and what do you have available.
For Monday morning quarterbacks the obvious answer is....add more power to this job.
I wish such decisions were always this easy. But they are not. Unfortunately a small percentage of railfans delight in second guessing and casting stones.
@GEES44DC The train never needed to double out. They ran the train westabout 5 miles to Garrett, PA. At Garrett, the helpers tied on to the rear after the AC44's dropped the train and ran to the other end. After they couple back onto there train, the helpers will begin to shove the train east up to Sand Patch, passing the spot where this clip started.
I could not watch in HD... I couldn't tell... are his wheels turning faster than his forward motion ?? doing some serious damage to wheels & rail .... wouldn't you think?? Great video though , like one person wrote .. right place,right time!
I wonder what kind of braking problems they would have going downgarde, slipping and sliding without sufficient traction. Going downgrade and braking, even with dynamic brakes, might be a bigger problem than going upgrade, especially if you had to stop the train on wet, slippery tracks without a supply of sand.
CSXHATER GO FUCK YOURSELF! CSX is the NO. 1 Railroad in the EAST! If you live in the east most likely your food or car was moved by a csx train! Dude! NO SAND! Those loco's can pull you asshole!
I you have ever heard sand on a train track lik that, you know it's the worst sound you have ever heard.
TheUnderRage 23 hours ago
LMFAO, the dudes out there with the smallest bag of sand and that train fucken is like 1000000000000000000000 tones HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
OMBIC 1 month ago
У них что, песочниц на тепловозах нет?
machinisto 1 month ago
i didn't see any wheels spinning
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that's why GE's suck!!!!!!
go emd
TheLegoair 2 months ago
@TheLegoair If you read the discription it is out of sand. EMD would do this to. GE's are not bad, maybe it's your opinion but, they are just as good as EMD. My point if it does not matter who makes the engine if you don't have sand this will happen to any locomotives EMD or GE
metraF40PH163 2 months ago
CSX started replacing the jointed rail on this branch with continuous rail this week. Not sure how long the project will take but starting at the switch, they've got a large portion done in a couple days. Looks like it rides much better than the crooked jointed rail that was there. Not sure when they'll start building the new tipple
theamerican 3 months ago
I threw sand under slipping equipment many times. These were huge cranes, track machines, and other equipment that didn't necessary carry sand, yet we HAD to get the machines underway somehow. It usually was because of wet rail or mechanical failure. I am amazed at some of the comments of the non-railroaders and the "foamers" who drool over slipping equipment!
JerryNSretired 4 months ago
@JerryNSretired Reminds me of when our 44tonner's sanders did not work. We were trying to pull our 0-6-0 which was sitting for many years & there was a lot of wheelslip. We made a few crew members get handfull's of sand and throw it under the wheels, it worked & got us moving & that's what counts
metraF40PH163 2 months ago
lol where are their yellow vests and isn't that guy too close to the engine?
alexander1485 4 months ago
Locomotive consists are built at the point of origin by calculating tonnage of the train and horsepower required based on the greatest "grade" (slope of terrain ) the train will encounter during its run. This is sometimes known as a power plan. Shown as the ratio HP/Ton. The grade is shown as a percentage. ( 0% being flat and 100% being straight up vertical) 0-6 percent or more is normal with 6 being a very steep grade. The bigger the grade the higher the ratio of HP/Ton required.Weather factor
RANDOS1967 5 months ago
At Notch 8 and still going, although at 0.2 mph. It's amazing the abuse that A.C. traction locomotives can take.
tarmac2001 5 months ago
You are supposed to test the sanders in a departure test. Somebody's ass is in trouble.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 6 months ago
They are tearing the crap out of those traction motors. Typical engineer idiots.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 6 months ago
The sanders were probably not working. Frozen mag valves.
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 6 months ago
OMG talk about melted rail tops
thallium200 6 months ago
more likely it was urea to melt the snow
brightwork1 6 months ago
Looks like a job for my razor
washnon 6 months ago
Never seen this happen in real life before !!!!!!!!
slickrick6923 7 months ago
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Terrible sound. Almost as if it's some kind of music from the movie Apocalypse now.
svobobo 7 months ago
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svobobo 7 months ago
Thats where Ford and Chevy comes in for the rescue.
briggsjos 7 months ago
That's why you use EMDs :)
foroke1 7 months ago 4
@foroke1 I don't think being out of sand is going to help EMD either! Thanks for watching...
1jackdk 7 months ago 8
@foroke1 That has nothing to do with it, if you don't have sand this would happen with EMD too.
metraF40PH163 2 months ago
@foroke1
For awhile, the regular train that was delivering and picking up on this branch were two SD70's, but now they have a GEVO and an C40-8 that bring it in and pick it up.
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@foroke1
For awhile, the regular train that was delivering and picking up on this branch were two SD70's, but now they have a GEVO and an C40-8 that bring it in and pick it up.
theamerican 1 month ago
@foroke1 EMDs have no torque, they just load faster!
alexander1485 6 days ago
Doesn't CSX run sanders on their GE's ?? In the close-ups of the trucks, I didn't see any sanding tubes.
TurbinePower69 7 months ago
On the BNSF, it is a common practice to use DPU's on the rear of both loaded and empty coal trains, the most common are the 2x2 configuration but sometimes they will use the 3x1, 3x2, and once in a while they will put all three or sometimes up to four locomotives up front, the UP does the same as well, I guess the CSX operates differently.
bnsfjay 8 months ago
On the BNSF, it is a common practice to use rear DPU's for both loaded and omty coal trains, we have 2x2, 3x1, 3x2 and sometimes they will have three or four locomotives all up front, I guess the CSX operates differently, the UP does the same practice as the BNSF as well.
bnsfjay 8 months ago
wow this is cool never knew .. that they had to work so hard..
bluesy51 8 months ago
*** Come on, guys, looks like we are gonna have to get out and push.
STICKGUYMB 8 months ago
Is there a particular reason there are no helpers mid-consist or is this logistically difficult for the layout/ops of the yard?
Roboboy 8 months ago
@Roboboy Helpers...in the middle...of the consist, are pretty much a thing of the past. More often than not, they're at the rear, anymore........although sometimes they might add power to the point only, but...
rarely.
TurbinePower69 7 months ago
sounds like a rotary saw lol
railfan844 9 months ago
Is the icy tracks causing slippage or something???
pianomanmaestro 9 months ago
@simhop
They have a sand system......it says in the description they ran out of sand...
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acupoflego 9 months ago
French TGV high speed trains have automatic sand spray nozzles that deliever the sand directly where the powered wheels meet the rail.
such system would not be that expensive to install, so I don't really see why that dude has to spread sand by hand.
simhopp 9 months ago
Don't know what the local rules are there but sometimes it pays to cut the locos off and run ahead dropping sand then come back and try again.
Rocketboy1950 9 months ago
Great video. Grandson watches it every night
oldben27 9 months ago
Yeah feed the train ,train seed lol (Sarcasim) Nice video ;)
TheCSXfan12 10 months ago
must suck to be in the house in the back ground at 4:23
moomee237 10 months ago
I've been at that point, only with a light locomotive trying to climb a grade when the rails are covered with snow, packed snow, and some ice: not fun, and the temperature doesn't help. Thanks for sharing.
traindudeacw 10 months ago
Auch, that must hurt the rails.
Mueiwark 10 months ago
Please accept my video response!
NSLocomotiveFan 10 months ago
It looks a damn cold winter day. Thanks for sharing. You have some great videos! :)
trainfart 10 months ago
@trainfart 19 degrees! It sure was bone chilling! Glad you enjoyed it. Take care...
1jackdk 10 months ago
@1jackdk and 32f is 0 degree's c (freezing point of water for reference) :)?
produKtNZ 10 months ago
@produKtNZ Yes it is. I know that! It was 19f. a good bit below freezing So what would that make it in C?
1jackdk 10 months ago
@1jackdk -7.2C
3Mudbone1 9 months ago
@1jackdk -18 to -20 celcius
DigitalLonestarX4600 7 months ago
@1jackdk What's with the Helper unit crew....Not getting off their asses and helping hand sand the rails ?!!??.......Not part of their union protected " job description " or What ?? Thank God for railfans willing to help. Nineteen degrees is Nothing....come on out here MT / ND / SD & WY where 10 to 40 degrees BELOW zero is not uncommon...and That, is Ambient temps. with NO wind chill factored into it.
TurbinePower69 7 months ago
@TurbinePower69 agreed, i am in ND and have been my whole life lol
darkrevenger04 6 months ago
Was there a trail unit on the rear ? I'm from Nebraska and don't know this road . Could they have gotten helpers on the rear?
blueticecho 10 months ago
@blueticecho No units on the hind end at this point. They are coming off a branch line after loading coal. The hind end units are waiting on the side. After the train gets on the meinline, they make a 5 mile run west, swap ends of trains, and the helper units get on to shove the train back east over the mountains. You will see that in part II video attached in the information section in this clip. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...
1jackdk 10 months ago
Get out and push.
KartKing4ever 10 months ago 2
why are they slipping? There are no snow on the ttracks and if there is it will melt by the weight and the heat the slipping wheels produce.
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suthe243 10 months ago
The spinning wheels do burn grooves in the rail and this had to be before the engines automatically dump sand on the rail using air.
Jones07Nick 11 months ago
i guess chains won't be of much use. Great vid
ponkkaa 11 months ago
it's a wonder they didn't break a coupler
cj382 11 months ago
I love how CSX has never heard of proper train handling before
benbattles 11 months ago
If the locomotives are good for tonnage on that division they will only use that much power. It is hell on a engineer trying to keep that damn thing stuck to the rail, it is a handful!
jttapley 11 months ago
what if the train gripped the ground and hit the guy?
KbdSlasher 11 months ago
Cool video. Will spinning wheels cut grooves in the rail? Or do they make the wheels out of softer material so they will grind off before damaging rails? I couldn't help but laugh at these guys, even knowing their situation. Here's a couple of hundred ton locos, hitched to a kazillion ton load of coal .... and a guy in front of it with a 4 pound sack of sand. I think that's what they call UNDER-kill.
offamychain 11 months ago 9
@offamychain A small amount of sand go a very long way. Thats he reason why CSX orders all new locomotives to weigh 432,000lbs. The 2 in the video are 412,000lbs each. To answer your question, wheels and rails have to be made of the hardest steel that money can buy. When a locomotive wheel spins in the same spot of rail for a prolonged period, it will dig a groove in the rail due to the weight of the locomotive. I observed a NS GP60 due this at the NS Detroit Oakwood Yard.
csx5400 10 months ago
@offamychain That actually works well.
Tallshipdreamer 7 months ago
lol
Traumsexygirl 1 year ago
considering the weather,the grade and the tonnage I think they should of had a few more loco's pulling or pushing.
Rdrake1413 1 year ago
@Rdrake1413 i was thinking the same thing 4 engines would have done the job.
elr2141979 11 months ago
I guess I will help give it a push!
7779jesse 1 year ago
Wow! That's railroading. Thank you for sharing the video and the details.
optimus4800 1 year ago
i will upload them later and for the last cuestion , yes the wheels on the engines rises a bit as the sand gets compressed by the weight of the locomotive but like i said nothing will hapend as long as on rail remains clear of sand ,for shure a derrailment will hapend if both rails are covered and the danger increases if you run through it at speed. Saludos from northern Mexico and Ferromex
Kenneth Uriarte Motive Power and Rolling Stock Superintendent.
kennethberto 1 year ago
sadly we dont have some one in ferromex to encourage people to carry shovels on engines becouse that only hapends in this part of the country so it depends on the crews working in this district, i tell them about it but you know like normall mexicans they just dont care about it , they just carry their bags and thats it. the bad thing is when a derrailment hapends do to sand on the track they always blame it to the MOW crews. I have some videos of how this work is done with the spreader.
kennethberto 1 year ago
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kennethberto 1 year ago
hello jack, Ferromex uses a Jordan spreader to remove it from the sides of the track but it doesnt work really good becouse sand is heavier and if the engine pushes to hard it derails the spreader, its a hard job to do .in older days crews just put a tie or two in front of the engine and sweeped it but that worked if there was a bit of sand only. When you run over sand it feels very strong and noisey specially with older engines a small amount of sand as little as a coin shakes everything.
kennethberto 1 year ago
Nice catch!
How irresponsible not to check sand boxes before departing.
Second engine did not have sand? Or are sand boxes operated manually?
Did they get sand from the standing train?
No need for that crew to help. Need only two people sanding. Plus, standing train may then get signal to proceed.
I would drop sparse sand right on the rails in front of the wheels, not throw it.
robertgift 1 year ago
It is amazing to think that 8,800 Horse Power, just isn't enough to pull that train! Nice video Jack.
BNSFbeagrett9647 1 year ago
Very interesting, I don't know much about locomotives but this was wild. A little bag of sand to get that immense weight moving, improbable!!
perkjc01 1 year ago
call in a train tow truck
lanesteele240 1 year ago
Does the wheel to rail slipping cause a great amount of heat? and if so, is it possible to warp the wheels or create dips in the rail?
drumbasher 1 year ago
What town or city is this. And State.
christopher9030 1 year ago 6
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theamerican 1 year ago
@christopher9030
Right outside of Meyersdale, Pennsylvania.
This is the Shaw Mines spur that branches off the main line and goes into the tipple at the coal mines outside of town where they load the coal.
theamerican 1 year ago
@christopher9030 That's why I said read the story in the caption! It tells you what you need to know. Thanks for watching...
1jackdk 1 year ago
@christopher9030 Dolt!
WhopBobbaLuBop 11 months ago
@christopher9030 did you ask that to be stupid? or did you not read the description....
davisotj1 5 months ago
well is great to see this becouse where i work in ferromex almost 2 or 3 times per month instead of puting sand in the rails we have to move it away from it. some times we spend up to 4 hours to doit with owr own hands risking owr lives becouse of scorpions and rattlesneaks baried underneath the sand. when we travel at speed sometimes we struck with small acumulations of sand but as long as one rail stays clean nothing hapends. grat catch, saludos from mexico.
kennethberto 1 year ago
@kennethberto Is there some kind of powerful air compressor which could blow sand from the rails directly in front of the wheels or sweep sand from the rails?
How does the locomotive feel when you run over sand? Do the wheels ever slightly rise up on top of the sand?
No shovels carried in locomotives to lower your risk and speed sand removal?
Your English is very good.
Thank you.
robertgift 1 year ago
If you find a Csx engine with sand in the front sand box... That's because they are broken/not working. Or you are very lucky someone at the engine terminal did his job which is very rare. Csx will also fire you for not walking in straight line or even backing your personal auto into a parking space at your home terminal ( yes, you don't even have to be near a train to break rules). But no worries, at least our management is so incompetent... Any decent LC will win your hearing and you will hav
James6408 1 year ago
Great vid. Thanks!
SouthernSoul2 1 year ago
I remember this guy last year. That coal came off the spur that branches off right below my house and runs into Shaw Mines. It took him forever to climb up into and out of Meyersdale.
theamerican 1 year ago
Maintenance of way just loves this stuff
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
Screwed up sanders or the sand is wet
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
Wheel slip, baby
BARRIEMOREBARLOW 1 year ago
does the snow plow actually touch the rails on the way to clear the snow off? or does the wheel do that on its own under the immense weight of the train
Sparatan117 1 year ago
@Sparatan117 The plow desn't make contact with the rails. It is several inches above, and just plows the deeper snow, and drifts. The wheels tend to slip even with the emmense weight. Steel to steel. They will even slip in the rain, or when fall leaves lay on the track. Sand is used to get the trains rolling on slippery rail. If they remember to feel the sand boxes up. LOL
1jackdk 1 year ago
typical CSX to have no sand. A little sand goes a long ways.
iRECKONER 1 year ago
@iRECKONER
UP is just as bad. I've had my share of stalls on Donner Pass.
nvsteve 1 year ago
fab vid, great noise
EWS60500 1 year ago
Great video. And an excellent catch of stalling!
YaesuFT736R 1 year ago
I've never seen anything like it. Thx, 5*****
C45ACCTE 1 year ago
"i think i can, i think i can, i think i can"
lol
The auto sanders didn't do to well of a job
did they get helpers eventually?
that's what the problem is
two diesels on a heavy freight with little traction.
Amtrak1194 1 year ago
Some of the squeal is a result of the steel on steel contact between the wheels and the rails. You get a lot of rail squeal when there isn't any sand or snow on them.
bakontrack 1 year ago
what the hell is that screeching noise???
bluesguitardude 1 year ago
@bluesguitardude These locomotives computer systems permit the wheels to do a certain amout of slipping on the rail to get the most traction. You hear the wheels spinning on the sanded rail. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...
1jackdk 1 year ago
@1jackdk so basically, the weight is too much for the diesels, and the wheels slip to get as much traction as possible... am i right?
bluesguitardude 1 year ago
@bluesguitardude That is correct. The computer controls the slipping, just enough that is needed to get things moving...
1jackdk 1 year ago
@1jackdk wow... impressive... ever since i was a child (3 yrs old,) i've loved locos... both diesel and steam... as soon as i finish college, i will get a job at the railways... :)
bluesguitardude 1 year ago
Gotta love the sound of 8,800 hp, even if it's not all making it to the rail.
bkymic 1 year ago
I know that sometimes we got moisture in the sand and it took the shaking of the unit to break the sand loose so the sanders would work.
kutzbill 1 year ago
That was really cool.I have never seen a train stall before.I've seen the Emergency Stops but never a stall.Thanks for sharing this event.
canadiantimberwolf1 1 year ago
@canadiantimberwolf1 Glad you enjoyed it. I have seen it several times, but this was the first time I captured it on film. Take care, Jackmp294.5...
1jackdk 1 year ago
ijust dont understand why america need the fraight trains to be about 50 miles long thats where the problem its too much strain on the engin we learnted by that merstake here in the uk
talktalkmodem 1 year ago
@talktalkmodem The difference between railroading in North America and the UK is dramatically different. In this continent the railroads are not taxpayer funded and we move long, heavy trains very efficiently. Much more so than the light freights in the UK.
Not saying either is better. You do what you have to do to service the industries available to you.
If periodically freights are underpowered or overpowered...that's going to happen
charlieb640 1 year ago
It's amazing what a little ice can do
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From the looks of the engine paint they could'nt afford sand.
monrovia3461 1 year ago
From the looks of the paint they couldn't afford the sand.
monrovia3461 1 year ago
man - somebody should invent a sort of giant electric hairdryer setup for these locos, to blast the track dry for situations like this.
mpwelk 1 year ago
Why didn't they just add those SD50s parked off to the side to the front of the train for extra power?
CaliforniaRailfan101 1 year ago
@CaliforniaRailfan101 That's exactly what they are going to do.But they can't put the helper engines on until the stalling train gets completely off the spur line.Then they can put the helpers on the end of the stalling train.
gebass6 1 year ago
just typical! It's always someone 'forgetting' to do their job properly which has repercussions, literally in this case, down the line!! Happens here too, and I suspect all over the world. [I wonder if fitting retractable brushes would prove viable just in front of the leading wheel set?]
colliecandle 1 year ago
why not back up a mile and then stright book it up the hill?
DudeWithaPage 1 year ago
wow! I caught something like this in my Plant City video- These AC44's have a HTE computer program- I realize they were out of sand...Huh...anyways cool video! This is why I love trains! Awsome!
airRail76 1 year ago
If this was CN the engineers would be blamed for this. CN management does not get the locos refilled with sand and when the train stalls they say you had enough power to make it you fucked up. thats the CN way. If i was the engineer of this train i would pound those helper locomotive engineers.
lexmarks567 1 year ago
@lexmarks567 is that realy wut CN does? no shit eh, sound like that American C.E.O. sure is doing his job... Hunter Harrison...
theGUYwho1 1 year ago
@theGUYwho1 It's some guy claude mongeo (or something like that) running the shots now
ebouwman034 1 year ago
@ebouwman034 yea, i kno ur right too, but the official CN website hasnt been updated to that yet LOL witch is y i said lol
theGUYwho1 1 year ago
@theGUYwho1 Oh wow, thats retarded, i think it's been at least a year...
It's still very much Hunter's railroad though, he's imbedded himself and his shitty management style into the company
ebouwman034 1 year ago
@lexmarks567 Naw, they're not quite that bad, tell management to suck a fat one and download you and see if you did anything wrong. They can shout at you, but they can't do shit if they can't prove you did something wrong.
ebouwman034 1 year ago
nice vid
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GISALICIOUS 1 year ago
aint taht like a 10% grade? my dad let me ride on his csx through there and it looked steep
justinfrnfr 1 year ago
@justinfrnfr all railways PERIOD!!! (besides Cog and narrow gage) have like a 3.5% or sumthing grade limit... the steepest grade in north america used to be "the Big Hill" where the Spiral Tunnels are today in Canada where the old grade was a ridiculous 4.4% and the new grade is 2.4%.
theGUYwho1 1 year ago
If you can only do burnouts in the winter, you might be an engineer.
BUNCHofxs 1 year ago
Man, she's down on her knees and pulling hard! If I was that crew, I'd 1. Settle a score with those who didn't fill the sand box and 2. Settle a score with the fellows in the helper engines. Mighty nice of them to just sit and watch! Great description, too!
Hendo56 1 year ago
Can not under stand why the sander's were not work on the locomotives.
sandytremps 1 year ago
@sandytremps Sanders where working, the only problem was when the units where services, no one refilled the sand boxes. Thanks for watching...
1jackdk 1 year ago
@1jackdk The engineer is suppose to inspect his Units before each trip, check sand, brakes, etc. The crew should have doubled the grade, there are no crews anymore.
brainerdrebel 1 year ago
@sandytremps sanders only work when the locomotives have sand in them.
enr3870 1 year ago
does that little coal even do anything?
KarySanger 1 year ago
the engines that said it could be done, and did it!
itsmister2u 1 year ago
They should have used 4 motta on the tracks
ToniMattTony 1 year ago
CSX needs to stop investing in GE's like every other class I and get more EMD power, I'm not saying that with EMD's the same problem won't occur, but EMD's tend to be more reliable when it comes to a job like this, just saying.
SP4449Warbaby 1 year ago
Nice video its amazing what they can pull!
upmodeler92 1 year ago
is it wrong this gives me a boner that I may oneday beable to become a LOCOMOTIVE DRIVER?
tomkkkkk 1 year ago
@tomkkkkk
With your mental retardation?? I doubt it !
janedoe1024 1 year ago
@janedoe1024
Now that harsh comment was actually called for...
eDrifter1 1 year ago
The sanders might be plugged. So why do you run a tonnage train in weather like this? CSX should know better! Not only do you stall you tie up the whole downgraded, dumsized railroad, and kill all the crews! Then your out of men to run the railroad. Plus the units are tied up running this sled! Instead of moving equipment your paying rent on! Or making more revenue. railfully yours, a Chesamore and Ohio fan.
intercityrailpal 1 year ago
So much for AC traction! PUT AN EMD ON THAT TRAIN!
SkyhawkACE123 1 year ago
Cool video, always nice to see railway operations in the real world.
There will always be a compromise between engineering and cost, it's sad fact of life I'm afraid.
The expertise of the crew is to be commended.
Wish I was a train driver in America
sidney001 1 year ago
@sidney001 Actually I like your response. This is exactly what happens daily when rail managers have to make decisions such as how much power do you assign a train and what do you have available.
For Monday morning quarterbacks the obvious answer is....add more power to this job.
I wish such decisions were always this easy. But they are not. Unfortunately a small percentage of railfans delight in second guessing and casting stones.
Stop and see me in Long Beach.
charlieb640 1 year ago
That is sweet, that was good timing on the video. You don't get to see that very often, I would say they exhausted half their sand.
oaklandwaynetrucking 1 year ago
Is there another choo choo in the back helping the other two?
CoupeGrace 1 year ago
realmente espectacular. Gracias por compartirlo. Saludos Carlos desde Argentina
ccoronel 1 year ago
No automatic sanders??
middsteve 1 year ago
The helper engines were never assigned to tie on why? The crew never doubled the hill why?
GEES44DC 1 year ago
@GEES44DC The train never needed to double out. They ran the train westabout 5 miles to Garrett, PA. At Garrett, the helpers tied on to the rear after the AC44's dropped the train and ran to the other end. After they couple back onto there train, the helpers will begin to shove the train east up to Sand Patch, passing the spot where this clip started.
1jackdk 1 year ago
Just polishing the rails..... :)
Chompers41791 1 year ago
its called freedom of speech, look into it, now if it was bnsf, shit theres be 3 ACE's raceing out to aid that train
joshmeister4449 1 year ago
this is why CSX is STUPID......easy way to fix this........ADD MORE ENGINES......
joshmeister4449 1 year ago
@joshmeister4449 Actually, your comment is why railfans are often so frowned upon by those of us who do the work.
Sure. It's easy. Add more power. They're only a few million dollars each and there's so many of them just lying around not assigned to other jobs.
Hint for ya Josh. When you do not know WTF you are talking about....don't comment. In particular if your comment refers to others as stupid.
charlieb640 1 year ago
damn...get a life..
dragbano 1 year ago
I could not watch in HD... I couldn't tell... are his wheels turning faster than his forward motion ?? doing some serious damage to wheels & rail .... wouldn't you think?? Great video though , like one person wrote .. right place,right time!
8bars 1 year ago
Great catch! Very interesting.
Cornelu 1 year ago
What are they hauling? Sand? Salt? That would be so ironic. LOL
BostonUrbEx 1 year ago
@BostonUrbEx They where hauling coal. Thanks for watching...
1jackdk 1 year ago
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...!
BostonUrbEx 1 year ago
Never knew that sand was used for trains to get them traction...never knew that this can be a problem...
videolover61 1 year ago
what a way to run a railroad....
ubuibiok 1 year ago
@ubuibiok
At least they got it going!
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 1 year ago
@EUROTRASHSPAMMER ...lol, yea, but come on, sprinkling sand by hand on the tracks...lol this is 2010...
ubuibiok 1 year ago
@ubuibiok
Well, yes...I'd have to admit that it's a new one on me.
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 1 year ago
I wonder what kind of braking problems they would have going downgarde, slipping and sliding without sufficient traction. Going downgrade and braking, even with dynamic brakes, might be a bigger problem than going upgrade, especially if you had to stop the train on wet, slippery tracks without a supply of sand.
shifta65 1 year ago
CSXHATER GO FUCK YOURSELF! CSX is the NO. 1 Railroad in the EAST! If you live in the east most likely your food or car was moved by a csx train! Dude! NO SAND! Those loco's can pull you asshole!
Rtchugg 1 year ago
that is so true
patrikk123456 1 year ago