Ilya Shapiro Accepts Challenge to Debate ObamaCare

[Fashionificationful]

Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk

Allen West 2012

[justyce4all7]

This is what happens when the republicans choose to conspire against a president for nefarious reasons. President Obama's bi-partinship pursuits were rejected in attempt to make his efforts an waterloo. I'm proud of our POTUS for standing up for the American people and getting something wonderful accommplished. Maybe next time he will get a lil more cooperation from the Gop.

[Alsadius]

@justyce4all7 Nefarious reasons, like thinking the bill sucks.

[justyce4all7]

@Alsadius they choose to think it sucks because it wasn't signed into law by a republican, now this is childish. This "so-called" Obamacare was basically sprung by many republican ideas to compete with Hillary Clinton's health care plan back in the 1990's. They just didn't want President Obama to get the credit for it. Lets be honest here. No death panels, no government take over. The health care plan is fair and justified.

[Wormtail81]

@justyce4all7 I cannot take the claim that healthcare 'reform' is bipartisan seriously.

[justyce4all7]

@Wormtail81 its bipartisan in substance, but not in cooperation and votes, I think you know where I'm coming from. Something like a man and woman deciding to have a child but the man wants a daughter and the mother wants a son, causing the child to be born very andgrogynous, do you get me? Androgyny is the way to wholeness and divinity. ; )

[Wormtail81]

@justyce4all7 I still disagree, I am afraid.

[TappingTomale]

Do you think the founders envisioned ANYTHING in today's gov't? It is completely different from what it was and what it's "supposed to be", but that's the beauty of the American constitution. The elastic clause allows immense flexibility when the federal gov't needs to be more powerful than was originally intended.

Anyone agreeing with this guy needs to consider how much the federal government does b/c restricting delegated powers to what the constitution explicitly says is a dangerous game.

[EclipseMonkey]

@TappingTomale The rapid expansion of government, manipulation of the economy and reckless foreign policy of an arrogant Executive Branch severely undermines the "general welfare," of our society (Which I think many people would define as: the prosperity of the greatest number of individuals).

Secondly it shouldn't be ignored or undermined what a serious double edged sword arguments towards constitutional flexibility can be. Lines need to be drawn with respect to interventionism.

[TappingTomale]

@EclipseMonkey

This rapid expansion took place during the New Deal and WWII. That is when we transitioned from states having most power to the federal government, and you know what, I think we can all agree we've seen huge, stable economic growth since that transition. "Manipulation" and "intervention" is a good thing, lest we return to the boom and bust of the 19th century.

Look at the success of Japan and Europe; their governments are very "interventionist." Something must be working well.

[EclipseMonkey]

@TappingTomale Very little of the New Deal did anything to encourage economic growth and with 8-9 years of major depression one could argue for or against the new deal to any degree for almost any length of time without hitting on a solid foundation for it's actual impact. The New Deal was, if anything else, an extension of the social reform of the first 20th century decade. The steady reconstruction of stable, not risky, business helped much more.

[EclipseMonkey]

@EclipseMonkey "I think we can all agree we've seen huge, stable economic growth since that transition."

But of course. After all, as the generations passed we saw a gradual shift from the frugality of the depression era to the growing consumerism of generations up till this point. The 2nd World War established a military industrial complex that grossed the necessary capital to reintroduce mass production to a stabilizing society ready for mass spending.

[EclipseMonkey]

@EclipseMonkey And finally we don't see a major economic catastrophe until about 41 years after the ending of the great depression and just 20 years after the establishment of the Keynesian economic policy (Deficit spending) by the Kennedy Administration, and growth of the Federal Reserve as a market manipulator, where the 1980's recession comes into play. 10 years later we get the NASDEQ bubble; suppressed by the Fed. Then, poor business practice and credit munip. lands us into the present.

[EclipseMonkey]

@EclipseMonkey The Boom/Bust cycle is still very much alive in the world. But so long as capital was able to be transferred, to compensate for the multitude of minor to moderate economic crises that arise in pocketed areas of the international economy, businesses were given time to readjust or bust and have their assets (and debt) liquidated and no longer a hindrance to the economy. Enforced regulation of sound business practices accomplishes more than than adjusting to simply counter bad ones.

[worldnewsbbc1]

@EclipseMonkey You need to check your numbers on Kennedy/LBJ. Spending was less than 18% of GDP every year but one and deficits were typically less than 1% of GDP while the economy grew at an annualized per capita rate of 3.5%. The financial turmoil after the Fed's battle against inflation between 79-81 is mostly due to deregulation and this is evidenced by the large number of bankers who were sitting in jail by 91. If you allow people to steal, they will.

[yougiberishtube]

thumbs up

[andyesh]

Democratic whip Clyburn commented on the constituniality of health care to Judge Napolitano saying that "Theres nothing in the Constitution that says that the federal government has anything to do with most of the stuff we do." Sure you can pull out some crap about the commerce clause and right to taxation because it is run by the IRS, but do you think the founders ever thought interstate commerce would be justification for health care reform?

[Senorclipit]

fake and gay

[foryoutohear]

You will lose the debate, just like the Republicans lost the election and the health care battle. Oh, and pay for your own travel you scum bag!!!

[americanbart]

10th Amendment to the US Constitution clearly says. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Is right to regulate health-care a power delegated to the federal government in US Constitution? Answer is No

So:

ObamaCare is unconstitutional

End of discussion

[TappingTomale]

@americanbart

"The Congress shall have Power To...provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States..." and "To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers."

Sounds constitutional to me.

You are ignorant if you think the federal government can/should only do what the constitution explicitly states. The reason our gov't and constitution was endured is b/c of it's flexibility and living/breathing quality.

[MichaelnChristine]

@americanbart Ok then by that logic Bush's use of troops as Commander and chief without Congressional declaration of war was unconstitutional. The department of education, USDA, FDA, DEA, are all unconstitutional. As is the ban on gay marriage that the Rep party wants. I'm all for stripping the Federal government but lets get rid of all of it....

[americanbart]

@MichaelnChristine

Congress declared War in Iraq (both parties)

Military is a job of federal government. HealthCare is not

Dept of Education, USDA, FDA, DEA and many many others are unconstutional. I agree. If you want 10th Amendment to be really enforced you need to repeal 95% of federal regulations and lay 95% of Federal Employees off. and It should be done now!

[MichaelnChristine]

@americanbart I hate to tell you this but there was no declaration of war for Iraq. Police action maybe, but it isn't a war. If you don't believe it look it up yourself.. Also it isn't ObamaCare, it is Healthcare, if you want to repeal it great. If you want to stop the mindless legislation which favors big business and screws the little guy (USDA, FDA) great. You can't however ban any form of marriage, abortion, sex toys etc.., and still be following that ideology.

[gpbakalov]

YES!!!! GO FOT IT! So says Obama, right? Let the debate BEGIN!

[peacenlove4every1]

What a shocker! A rich jew wants to keep the health care in the private sector where the poor and sick are shit out of luck. I hate Hitler for killing so many people, but he was spot on about the jews (although he shouldn't have killed them).

[tommy2hats]

@peacenlove4every1 So it's "peacenlove4every1" except the Jews as far as you're concerned? If you think that Hitler was right about the Jews, do you believe that Jews are a "pestilence" and part of an international financial conspiracy?

[Daroen]

I have always respected the Cato Institute, and this only reaffirms things. It is great that we are asking for a debate instead of shouting. I take some mild issue with the term "Obama-care" but oh well.

[coffeefish]

Wow, thanks for the offer Shapiro, you are so wonderful.

[WatchingViking]

America shows no regard for the rule of law - it does what it wants and use its sheeple to achieve it. I have never been more disappointed in any leaders than the US ones.

[ancestralyuba]

Will ObamaCare be the tipping point where America returns to a respect for the constitution and individual liberty?

I hope so.

[krisftwowest]

Let the corporations realize there is little money to made in regulated health care. Free market capitalism is not the system for every Americans right to health care should be based upon. Then the only way to reform the law will be to pass a true single payer public health care system. Where payment for health care is in the form of a tax, which is constitutionally permissible. A true public health care systems is the only way to fulfill the declaration rights this country was founded upon.

[justyce4all7]

Did you all know that this "so-called" Obamacare is really based on ideas sprung from Republicans such as: Mitt Romney, Senator Chuck Grassley, Senator Hatch, Bob Dole and many more Republicans to compete with Hillary Clinton's healthcare plan back in the 90's? I think the opposition President Obama is getting is due to his Kenyan roots. Romney's care is also a mandate.

[Chainedorlo]

Constitution....what's that?

[J0hnGaltJr]

Janet Incompetano couldn't find her ass with a search warrant.

[MrBluegrassfiddler]

Judge Napolitano will put you in your place and serve your pieces and parts on a platter to the dogs.

[sillynanny44]

@MrBluegrassfiddler mrbluegrassfiddler you know that cato is libertarian right?

[MrBluegrassfiddler]

You can't argue with an idiot. Ilya is mistaken. His conscience is seared and he is a lost soul. He has no understanding of the immoral nature of forced hell care. OBAMA IS AN ASS HOLE, AND THE SOONER THAT JACKASS IS IMPEACHED, THE BETTER.

[GutPyle]

Constitution? What's a Constitution? Is that that old piece of parchment being used as a door mat at the entrance of Congress and the White House?

No one will debate you, Mr. Shapiro. They will however come up with a derogitory label for you and do whatever's required to relegate you and anyone else who dare challenge this administration to a "group" that scholars like Garafalo consider small-minded...unlike her.

Godspeed, Mr. Shapiro!

[TimeWarp66]

What???

I'm not paying for your goddamn travel expense you greedy Libertarian who hates the poor!!!!

JK, you're the man!

Go get those Leftie bastards and put them in their place.

[Nexus974]

You da man Shapiro!!!

[TylerNull]

Article 1, Section 8 - ENUMERATED POWERS

There are only 17 under which the federal government is granted authority to either tax or spend.

NONE have anything to do with running Ponzi-type schemes such as Social Security or that known as Obamacare.

Therefore, such are LAWLESS -- FEDERAL RACKETEERING.

[TylerNull]

We are all so steeped in the political theology of socialism that most people think laws are some kind of magic which only the judicial branch deities can decipher.

Not only does that notion reject the concept of co-equal branches underpinning the structure of the republican form of governance guaranteed us by the US Constitution, but it's a perfect inversion of the nature of self governance.

WE set law, and if lawyers get it wrong then they are to be bitch--slapped back into reality..

[Dealermann]

@TylerNull

[XCritonX]

@TylerNull The RICO Act (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) provides for extended criminal penalties and a civil cause of action for acts performed as part of an ongoing criminal organization. I think Social Security and the Federal Reserve fit that bill. I would like to see a class action lawsuit brought under RICO against unconstitutional branches of the Federal.

[J0hnGaltJr]

@XCritonX Brilliant point! I had never considered that before. Do forgive me for swiping your idea when I debate liberals. Thanks!

[byteusa]

I luv me barrycare. It give me free scooter and coo diabeats 007 stuph

[PSK11489]

There are no two things more unrelated than 007 and diabetes. Thumbs up.

[freesk8]

Yay, Cato!

[thefish103]

I'd ah, I'd ah, I'd ah, I'd ah, like to see him debate Robert Gibbs.

[a4finger]

Good luck Ilya Shapiro, and make sure to post a video of when someone accepts the debate challenge

[Federalist306]

This guy and Mark Levin on our side, backed up by a really great economist like Walter Williams, we (constitutional conservative, libertarians and capitalists will mop the floor with anyone they've got. Obamacare is a lie, based upon fantastic numbers as "evidence", skewed reality, and parlimentary magic. IT IS UNCONSCIENABLE, AND UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

[Roddyoneeye]

Hey, ABC ! Do you have the B**** to take the challenge ?

[LowcountryJoe2]

@justyce4all7

April Fool's, right?

[gworksnell]

@catoinstitutevideo

Would you mind if we mirrored your debate challenge to people here on youtube from our channels? Because there are quite a few people here who claim it is constitutional..but they NEVER come to this channel.

[JamesTKirkCobain]

What`s there to debate? Democrats don`t follow the Constitution. End of story.

[Vogateer]

@JamesTKirkCobain Neither Democrats nor Republicans follow the Constitution. Most laugh when you even mention it, mumble something about the commerce clause and go about their business.

[worldnewsbbc1]

@JamesTKirkCobain Actually democrats are relying on Scalia's concuring opinion in Gonzales v. Raich. "In assessing the scope of Congress' authority under the Commerce Clause, we stress that the task before us is a modest one. We need not determine whether respondents' activities, taken in the aggregate, substantially affect interstate commerce in fact, but only whether a "rational basis" exists for so concluding"