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[noxas777]

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[balearicsoundwave89]

an evil organisation ,on the same level as sex offenders for vileness. atos and anyone who works for them ,i hope they get cancer and fucking die painfully.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@balearicsoundwave89

Put it this way - if they were to fold, I'd be a very happy man. If those who run it and the MPs who approve it get very long jail sentences, I'd crack one off.

[noxas777]

@balearicsoundwave89

ATOS NOT WORTH ATOS!

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@noxas777

I notice that the Condems have been patting themselves on the back for 'saving £100 million a year' in their efforts against benefit fraud.

It already costs that to pay Atos on an annual basis, and they can pass comment only on sickness-related benefits.

Yep, congratulations - that's fiscal responsibility for you...

[alanstealth]

All you little benefit mother fuckers should get a grip. You think ATOS invented these rules. YOUR government outsourced it and set all the targets, and rules that you blame ATOS for because you are ignorant narrow minded fucks. If it wasn't ATOS it would be another company. You support a capitalist government don't come crying when you get cancer for "your" benefit money. If I had my way you'd all be fed to the poor.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@alanstealth

Ah, another Twatoss employee - so transparent. Especially one who misses the point by so many miles.

Normally, I'd be making counter-points, but as it's another tiresome gamer troll, I don't really see the point.

But as for your last point, well, you don't have your way, do you?

So, back to your headset, back to your gamepad, and enjoy the rest of your life - because that's all you'll have to look forward to.

[alanstealth]

@LloydsTSBLiars

Keep on "fighting the power" brother, keep on "making a difference", with your little youtube videos and your marches.

I'm all for hating the power, seeming as you like to do research on a comment before you reply; if you had looked a little harder, you'd have found I'm very outspoken on corporate, social and economical politics, and truly believe that everything THE government is doing is evil, from the banking to the outsourcing. Your energys are misguided is all I'm saying.

[zezt]

@alanstealth one day you callous indifferent fucker your words will come back on you and bite you on the arse!!

[arfurdaley63]

@alanstealth Rot in hell you evil excuse for a Human Being!

[telemetry9]

who would have guessed that fascism would become so prominent in British society? Honestly, I never saw it coming. Well - actually - I did.

Shareholders rule - the economically inactive are being criminalized. I wonder who will step in and say ,enough.

Interesting how not one "celebrity"; has come out to speak against this targeting of vulnerable people. They wouldn't touch us with a barge pole - it would hurt their careers.

[lamenzies]

Atos' website claims it regularly assesses its staff through observations/consultations with stakeholders but no mention is made of giviing claimants the opportunity to evaluate its staff. The simple fact that claimants are not deemed worthy of having an opinion that counts speaks volumes.

Disgusting organisation.

[Tarquinbeaniebaby]

Dr oluwaler - bunkagas told me my withered arm was bad and I'd score on the ESA medical. Despite this I work 12 hour shifts stacking shelves! Stop moaning you lazy fuckers and get down the job club! Can I get disability when I can barely wipe my ass? Yes, but I work and don't moan about decent African doctors!! Dla is fab for beer money!!

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@Tarquinbeaniebaby

If you were remotely believable, you'd be almost funny - but you haven't got the wit to be one or the other.

[0888Linda]

The legal action against DWP sue them!!!

[0888Linda]

Tke legal action against DWP sue them!!!

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@Pricklyghost106

I was expecting too much that the Tories would have put a stop to New Labour's selling-out of the disabled (Atos were brought in in 2005) - seeing that the Tories have extended Atos' contract to 2014.

As to your own story, as far as this administration goes (and the previous one), Atos' word counts for far more than someone with actual medical knowledge. Surgeons? Professors? Leaders of their field? Why, Atos' half-trained midwives know better!

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@Pricklyghost106

That GMC PDF - is that the guy who assessed you? A guy who pocketed sick pay from one employer whilst working for another? A guy who attacked a work colleague? Unqualified? Found guilty of misconduct?

Nice to know that ATOS vets its doctors well, isn't it?

[FreemanBoscha]

im still waiting for my appeal hearing, atos dont seem to give a toss (ATOS) scored "0" at my assessment, got 4 doctors and 1 psychiatrist backing me against an untrained atos employee with no previous medical or psychiatric training, this country is a sorry state of affairs.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@FreemanBoscha

Appeal it, and get what medical evidence you can - your doctors and specialists will be able to help on that one. If they know about the Atos problem and are willing to speak up on your behalf, so much the better.

Also, next time you get called in for assessment (it will happen), make sure you audio-record the session secretly, and then that gives you more weight to contest their 'findings'.

[FreemanBoscha]

@FreemanBoscha im still waiting for my appeal to be dealt with and today is six months since i first posted this comment.

[lovinit19791]

I applied for a paper hearing as i couldnt guarantee my health on the day....it was adjourned in july 2010.

Heard nothing back...and got told i HAD to go and see ATOS again!!! I got 0 points this time too!!!

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@lovinit19791

Didn't read this comment before I responded to the other one on the other clip. Appeal it again. Unfortunately, the screwed-up nature means that the appeal process will start off all over again.

But yes, it seems that even if you're appealing a previous decision, they can still call you in. It's not a process that the tribunals service are happy with, and rightly so, because the system is an absolute mess.

[lovinit19791]

@LloydsTSBLiars lol sorry dude...i thought of things as i was watching the 2 parts...should have kept the comments on one part to avoid confusion lol :)

Im appealing this one too...such a pain in the arse. I swear they do it so you give up and just do what they want ie jump on JSA.

Im confused now because il have 2 tribunals...if the first one from last year refuses my claim and the one from this year accepts it...then what lol??

I suppose il have to wait until next year to find out though haha

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@lovinit19791

Yep, forcing people to go onto JSA is exactly what they're up to, because it's easier for them to manipulate people that way (ie. 'jump to our tune or we'll kick you off even that').

In answer to your question, it may be best not to pursue the first tribunal any longer, in case it has a knock-on effect on the second.

[lovinit19791]

@LloydsTSBLiars Il give them a call in the week and cancel the first appeal i think...like you say...they will use any underhand method to kick people off.

Cheers for the advice dude :)

[raisops]

why u chose cameron..he is gonna make ur lives even more difficult..keep talking abt benefits but he has not spared students..now just watch what he is doing..n what UK wioll be at end of his govt..

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@raisops

Who's choosing Cameron? Not in this clip.

[BritishSnail]

You MUST go to appeal. Increase your meds, anything to cope with the stress, but all those who are sick and robbed MUST go to appeal. Be strong. ~God is with us~

[BritishSnail]

Actually, our PM doesn't run our country, clealy, because Brown never liked Freud, but he was inserted into DWP anyway. Cameron, being more ruthless and dangerously insane always like Freud, so as soon as he was in power, Cameron powered up Freud, made him a Lord and hid him in the House of Lords, opposite a heroin in our lifetime, Baroness Campbell of Surbiton. A crime in itself.

[BritishSnail]

Origin, now part of Atos Origin, is a former division of Philips. The CEO of Philips from 2011 is...... Frans van Houten. As I said, a nazi.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

Also, do a google search for 'consumeractiongroup help me take atos to court' - that story's a shocker, and has some pertinent information contained.

[tb1uk]

after a 9 month battle with the DWP and ATOS, you now can ask them to record your medical for you. it's free and you get a copy of the tape as you leave. keep it safe as what the doctor says on it might not be on the report he does.

[BritishSnail]

@tb1uk I didn't do this (and mine was at home) but I do advise others to do it. Do not fear. We are here to support anyone struggling.

[ALBIONTYKE]

Thanks for your time uploading this video. I am 56 with an aggressive form of RA & live on my own. I may be sick, but not as sick as the representatives of ATOS.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

Nobody's as sick as Atos. Even by the notoriously callous nature expected of government departments, Atos' relationship with the DWP hits a new low.

The body of a missing woman (Leanne Chambers) who suffered from depression has just been found.

She went missing shortly after an Atos assessment and her inevitable 'You're fit to work' letter. I believe that Atos and the DWP share joint responsibility in her death, and both should be facing criminal charges as a result.

[ALBIONTYKE]

ATOS has just scored me NIL. I was reviewed not by a doctor but by a nurse, i am on crutches due to an aggressive form of Rheumatoid Arthritis, I am in constant pain & my ESA stopped. My GP and my consultant have told me I am not fit for work. As well as pain and stiffness I suffer from chronic fatigue which is a classic symptom of Rheumatoid Arthritis. This ATOS organisation is evil, they are making money out of genuinely ill people. How the hell can a nurse know more than my RA consultant ?

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

"ATOS has just scored me NIL" - ATOS scores practically everyone nil. You need to appeal.

"I was reviewed not by a doctor but by a nurse, i am on crutches due to an aggressive form of Rheumatoid Arthritis, I am in constant pain & my ESA stopped. My GP and my consultant have told me I am not fit for work." - Definitely appeal. Your GP/consultant will be able to back you up. Their word will carry more weight at tribunal than the Atos jockey.

[ALBIONTYKE]

@LloydsTSBLiars cont 2/ Bar a miraculous cure for RA I will always be limited for kind of work I can do but hopeful in that I can find something suitable as I feel I want to contribute to society in some way. Since yesterdays comment I have had time to re-read their medical statement. The errors & contradictions on the report are incredible, even the eleven different drugs that I am on have 4 mistakes re the dosage levels supplied. Also remarks on my physical ability to do certain tasks are lies

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

"I feel I want to contribute to society in some way." - Through VAT, you already are contributing to society.

"The errors & contradictions on the report are incredible, even the eleven different drugs that I am on have 4 mistakes re the dosage levels supplied. Also remarks on my physical ability to do certain tasks are lies" - This is Atos we're talking about. Yes, it's scandalous, but it's also absolutely unsurprising. This is what they do, and they need to be stopped.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

"This ATOS organisation is evil, they are making money out of genuinely ill people." - Yes they are, and I hope not for long.

"How the hell can a nurse know more than my RA consultant?" - A nurse can't, and an appeal tribunal will see it the same way. You have a good chance to get the decision overturned and once you do, make a complaint to the General Medical Council about the person who assessed you.

[ALBIONTYKE]

@LloydsTSBLiars Thank you for your reply and interest. Yes I feel sure my consultant and GP will back me and I will be successful in the appeal. What has irked me so much is that I am genuinely disabled and have until recently been extremly ill ( not being able to get dressed my self level ect, of illness ) I have told my GP that in fact I do want t start some work as I have never been a scrounger, but advised to start doing a few hours charity work first ( Citizens Advice ) the part time paid.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

"I feel sure my consultant and GP will back me and I will be successful in the appeal" - Their opinion will hold more weight in an appeal than a single nurse working for a company with a really shitty reputation in the medicine field. I hate to mention 'medicine' and 'Atos' in the same sentence.

"I am genuinely disabled and have until recently been extremly ill" - None of that matters to Atos, as you've just found out yourself and you're by no means alone.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

"I have told my GP that in fact I do want t start some work as I have never been a scrounger" - The biggest scroungers are in parliament, and they'd rather see the sick victimised than do without themselves. That explains the blame game on the disabled.

"but advised to start doing a few hours charity work first (Citizens Advice) the part time paid." - You can work up to 15 hours and not be paid more than £92, and you'd still get whatever benefit you're on.

[ALBIONTYKE]

@LloydsTSBLiars cont 3/ Lastly thank you for the tip of contacting the medical council. In addition to my appeal I will action this advice. I feel so incensed by the the fact that I have no restrictions. I dearly wish I had no restrictions, health wise I have been through hell not to mention the financial burden I have had to endure. I hope the government & Atos read this site, surely at least some of them must have a concious ? Benefit cheats are 1 thing, targeting sick people is contemptuous

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

“Lastly thank you for the tip of contacting the medical council. In addition to my appeal I will action this advice.” – Wait until the appeal is won, and THEN’s the best time to get the GMC involved. At that point, you’ll have more of a case from the GMC’s point of view.

“surely at least some of them must have a concious?” – New Labour are chiefly to blame, but the ConDem coalition (how appropriate a name!) seem intent on continuing Brown's Aktion T4 policy.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

“Benefit cheats are 1 thing, targeting sick people is contemptuous” – As I said before, the biggest benefits cheats are in the Commons.

The other week, there was a Radio 4 debate with Digby (aka – ‘the most expensive member of the Lords’) Jones, Chris Grayling and Rosie Winterton.

All of them were in favour at putting the boot into claimants, and all of them were previously exposed as grasping, greedy, hypocritical cunts in the expenses scandal.

[Thoughtland]

@ALBIONTYKE Atos use deception, stealth, trick questions, and selective amnesia to consipre against sick people.

If I have to endure another rigged medical this year I'll have to sell my house just to make it through the Winter because its impossible to live on sixty odd quid a week while waiting for an appeal.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@Thoughtland

Shouldn't you be getting paid at the same rate until the appeal is heard? I'd be asking about that one.

My other point is 'incentivising' is not the same thing as 'forcing'.  Maybe it's too much to expect that the DWP, the government and Atos would also know the difference.

[Thoughtland]

@LloydsTSBLiars Well the last time I was on the basic rate then got the rigged medical, and stayed on the basic until I won my appeal so I hope you are right. If thats the case I needn't worry so much.

It doesn't stop it all being a bit shifty scam. Its benefit fraud in reverse really.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@Thoughtland

If there are any backdated benefits do to you, then you should get them.

You're exactly right - it IS benefit fraud in reverse. In that this time, it's the authorities who are committing it.

Still, they've already instigated the suicide deaths of two people with the WCA format, so I suppose money grabbing is small fry compared with that!

[Thoughtland]

@LloydsTSBLiars See this Youtube posting button? Its turning us all into Fred Elliott. I say its turning us all into...

[ALBIONTYKE]

@Thoughtland Have seen ny GP since my last update, he hit the roof and is writing to the DWP. Apparently they do not give the GPs the full report, fortunately I took mine in & left it with him. I have also written appealing directly myself. I have been pretty blunt but polite & made direct accusations against the nurse for unprofessional practice, much of which I can fortunately prove. I have taken other courses of action which I do not want to mention until its over. Will update later.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

I'm not surprised your GP is unhappy and I don't blame him.

Google 'consumeractiongroup ATOS FOI request' for more on that, and what the DWP's take on this is, as regards doctors or specialists.

It's a standard, pre-drafted response letter, but prepare to shake your head in despair before you read that.

[ALBIONTYKE]

@LloydsTSBLiars Thanks for the link. Yes read it & not in the slightest bit surprised at the defensive jargon they use. Fortunately in my case some serious mistakes were documented and often contradictory ie 1 page said 1 thing & another page completely stated the opposite, making the nurse assor look pretty stupid. I have a recognised and complex health problem that beggars belief that a nurse would have the in-depth knowledge to fully understand. Take care

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

Look online in relation to a Commons speech given by Jonathan Shaw, and you'll notice that huge chunks of that letter are lifted ad verbatim from his speech.

So, the DWP don't even bother to think up responses for themselves these days. I wondered for a while what large sections of the DWP are actually there for. Nothing, it would seem.

[BritishSnail]

@LloydsTSBLiars They have few to give. In 2011 they still 'claim' not to have 'any' figures or data in respect of those with M.E. All 240,000 of us! To be unable to accept and to work with 'reality' is to be insane. Hitler was insane.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@ALBIONTYKE

One bit of comedy gold in that letter is 'the HCP will be aware of the law relating to benefit entitlement'.

Most of the DWP aren't aware of the laws relating to benefit entitlement, which is why call jockeys will given you contradictory answers every time you phone up.

Besides, a HCP that knows better than multiple GPs and specialists AND most of the DWP?

Multi-talented fucker, isn't he?

And if he's that talented, why's he working for pissants like Atos?

[BritishSnail]

@LloydsTSBLiars My G.P. is also starting to look rather peed off.

[paulb100]

great , great speech - but do try to watch your mic/volume - my speaker nearly blow everytime you went loud - i have to turn it loud to hear you then BAM! haha

cheers

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@paulb100

Thanks for the kind words, but the volume couldn't be helped. This was recorded on a mobile, so the quality of the recording goes up and down all the time, and couldn't really be avoided.

[moonshadow036]

Many thanks for this video. I too have had to go through this charade, which took 9 months of hell to appeal to be overturned on proper medical evidence without even the need for me to attend. Even after appeal nightmare was not over was sent back to atos. I dread having to go through same yet again and pray that I can get my health sorted before I have to go through this hell all over again.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@moonshadow036

It may interest you to know that there's a programme about ATOS and their dirty business - a Mark Daly feature on tonight 10:45 BBC1 Scotland. If you have freeview, you'll still be able to receive this.

[moonshadow036]

@LloydsTSBLiars Thanks have set it to record programme

[LloydsTSBLiars]

There'll be more to follow soon. I'm by no means through with Atos Healthcare yet.

[mikebach7]

@LloydsTSBLiars

I was so upset by my treatment that I provided written evidence to the Parliamentary Inquiry

and I published all my correspondence, including the unsound medical report and extracts from the Contract between then DWP and Atos including those medical conditions where a face to face assessment is not necessary. It is coming up to a year and there is no end in site. Judge for yourselves look in the search sites for DWP ESA ATOS.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

@mikebach7

IF Atos does occupational health for a company you may want a job with, under instructions from the company (if the applicant has a medical history), Atos will deem you unfit.

Even if they said exactly the opposite when they dealt with the same patient in an ESA case!

You don't believe me?  Search 'nicola hobbs anorexia atos meridian' for more.

[Steve696696]

Many thanks for making this video! I've had the displeasure of having to go for a so called medical with this corrupt organisation, and what you say echoes the horror stories posted on many disability forums all over the internet. I've also heard that many of these 'doctors' aren't even GMC registered as many are retired/have been struck off due to malpractice/incompetence. The sooner the whistle is blown on these heartless bastards, the better.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

No problem at all. I just felt it had to be said. 

No-one else seemed to have posted anything else on Youtube in opposition to Atos, so I thought that the first might as well be me.

I notice that Atos' own promotional clips on Youtube have to be administrator-approved for comments.

Nice to see that they take such a listening approach to criticism. Then again, I suppose they're only adopting the government's tactic of 'close our eyes and ears to anything we don't want to hear or see'.

[tb1uk]

i couldn't put it better myself

[nevillemonkey1]

@tb1uk Whilst I fully agree with what you say one must further analyse the options available to the atos doctor as Medical reports are clearly made up of answers to multi choice answers.Atos's core business being in IT they may feel that humans health can be assessed in the same manner.The compiled the multi choice answers and I requested a copy of the data used. William Hills will not even offer me even money on the availabe options being biased towards failure on assessment.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

ATOS will tell you that LIMA (the multi-choice system in question) is a DWP system, and that the DWP hold all contractual rights.

If that's true, and as the DWP are a government body, then the DWP would be breaking the law by avoiding questions about LIMA. So, any excuses about the workings of LIMA being 'commercially sensitive' do not hold water.

However, the DWP are not above buck-passing - as I know all too well.

[nevillemonkey1]

One should not continue with an appeal if they fail to provide a copy of LIMA.You can challege the lawfulness under the " Disclosure of Evidence " legislation as LIMA is a source of evidence. It equates to evidence being presented in a language that you do not understand as all info on the medical report is LIMA generated.

[LloydsTSBLiars]

Thank you.  I'm grateful for your input.

[gtadriftking1]

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