LOL-your going to break a "blood" vessel-pun intended-with yet another predictable little boy temper tantrum-we are LONG past any rational mind with you. Whatever care you are under should keep sharp objects away from you! You must have other YT video's to post pomposities on--why not take a break from this one before you wet your sexually confused pants-as from below I see the "elitist' is homophobic as well as sexist. I DO enjoy the paranoid, crude and pathetic ass you show in every post! :-))
@nomsdufrere Good Lord--what pseudo-intellectual drivel--motivated it seems by a sort of impotent rage!News to me no art happens in America-one would love to know where you live that is so superior and produced such as you with omniscient intelligence! Well-maybe not-might spoil the illusion and give up the bigoted game. Hopefully you are inactive or silent by now--just had to comment on such absurd and pompous 'thought'!
Beautiful!! I just realized something...that if I was in prison (God forbid) & I was given a choice between food or Rachmaninoff...I would definitely choose Rachmaninoff. Better to starve & die from lack of food than to die from starving my soul. Oh, most definitely.
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It's amazing how we use nationalism to discriminate. If it's not race, it's nation. If it weren't nation it would probably be hair color. Anyone who thinks nationality determines success is an idiot IMO. The truth is, mainsteam America isn't as interested in classical as much as Europe or other nations, so don't expect much in that department. It's purely a matter of appeal, not competence. Great video btw.
If we were to say that American's were less able to perform "classical" music, it would be racism, or nationalism, depending on which way you look at it. Russia puts out some of the best pianists in the world. It is to do with their culture of hard practice, determination and passion, and their prestigious music academies. It doesn't have to do with the state or their lineage, just their ethos on music.
Well you are ignoring the fact (I'm from Pittsburgh) that with only a few exceptions, Americans do not produce as good of pianists as the Russians do.
Analyze it all you like, think its racist, nationalist, blame eugenics, whatever you like. It is, what it is.
I was saying that Russians DO have the best pianists in the world, consistently unambiguously. But what I mean is that it has nothing to do with "race". It is simply that there, the methods of teaching and learning are very strict, and very effective. So, I agree with you, America does not produce the pianists that Russians do (in most cases).
The great Russian pianists and teachers all left the soviet union and moved to the U.S :-) Both Rachmaninoff and Horowitz were in NYC for decades...All of their followers, students are Americans...That extraordinary classical Russian Romantic School moved to American conservatories, Juilliard for one.
True, many of the musicians from the Soviet Union moved to America. To say that they were American is quite preposterous. Rachmaninov was not "in NYC for decades", he toured all over America and spent Summers in Switzerland.
No, his followers were not all American. The whole world has a love for his music.
I still do not know how this could possibly relate to him as a musician.
True, there are some great American pianists: Garrick Ohlsson (USA), Marc Andre Hamelin (Canada),
@ciliaspippi But to say that the Russian school has moved to America is a gross overstatement. The Julliard school is a great school, but so it the Moscow Conservatory.
Who won the 2008 Sydney International Piano Competition? Who is Evgeny Kissin? Who just won the Chopin International Piano Competition?
I am sorry, but I do not understand what relation your argument had to anything I typed. I was talking about the actual quality of pianists coming out of Russia. What were you talking about?
@ciliaspippi Of course The Moscow Conservatory is extraordinary, so is the St. Petersburg, so is Juilliard!!!
What is your point?
It's absurd for you to say there are many great Russian pianists, but only few Americans as good...
This is NOT the time of Rachmaninoff, Gilels, Richter, Horowitz and Moiseiwitch..Yes they are unequaled, never will, but still your assertion is absurd.
Sorry.... for a second there I thought you were talking about pianists who play Rachmaninov. I was talking about pianists. Despite Rachmaninov being my favourite composer, there are other composers and it does not make a pianist any worse if he or she prefers Chopin.
I maintain that Russia somehow produces the greatest pianists in the world,
Judging by ongoing results, it does not seem to me that that is such an absurd assertion.
This really does get tiresome, can we stop, please?
@ciliaspippi Yes we should, sorry if I said the wrong thing :-)) I assumed the subject was Richter playing Rach's 23/2..and Richter is surreal, one of the greatest ever
BTW there's a long list of great American pianists: Van Cliburn, Watts, Perahia, Janis, Graffman, Bronfman...all are incredible interpreters of Rach...and the three "followers" I mentioned, Graffman, Janis and Perahia all worked face-to-face with Horowitz...What an extraordinary priviledge that was for them :-)
@Bret6464 How amusing to catch up with your peculiar pomposity here-interesting you imply that all the great teachers left-then back-track to compliment the Conservatory's (yes- IS St. Petersburg and NOT Leningrad!) All the recent fine pianists out of Russia would be surprised to hear of their inferior training. While I DO applaud your defense of US pianists-ironic you include Graffman and his link to Horowitz-while you condemn Yuja Wang as unmusical-his particular student for 6 years!
You sorely need to understand classical piano before pontificating on YT.
Your statements are drivel and you are a deranged "person" who trolls YT looking for justification for your sorry existence! :-))
Yuja Wang plays in the tradition of Lang Lang, she has the identical qualification, both are from the PRC - perfect "shows" to sell in the PRC. LL's "act" is suitable for comedy and Yuja is a great typewriter who needs something more ergo her short-short skirts :-))
@Bret6464 I eagerly awaited your response-it lives up to all the pomposity and pseudo-musicological bias you have always been unkind enough to lay before us.You are a paranoid monomaniac on matters 'pianistic'-with a dash of bigotry. A fanatic with the idea that you have 'elite' and informed taste-but I have scratched the surface to the unvarnished crude and pretentious fraud you are.
@Bret6464 You demonstrate everywhere I come across you your fossilized and prejudiced 'taste'-and when crossed you try to attack personally the 'qualification' of your detractors. So obvious and infantile. Perhaps if you got your facts right-quotes accurate-and did a better job at hiding your bigotries-that MIGHT be taken seriously! Your pontificating on YT is an astonishing intellectual canard! (Now-next-your four letter words!) I DO enjoy the paranoid, pathetic ass you are :-))
@Bret6464 How refreshing-in an uncertain world-your pubescent, foul mouthed harangues! Am I harassing you little boy?! Well-you can run-but you can't hide-particularly when I see how ridiculous and bigoted you are in opinion and 'intellectual' thought. Sticks and stones my friend. If you were accurate with fact--balanced--less the moronic, crude monomaniac you are in matters 'pianistic' I might take you seriously! I DO enjoy the paranoid, pathetic ass you show every time you post! :-))
@ciliaspippi I said as clearly as I can in plain American English - that Rach's and Horowitz' followers and students were American, in the U.S. (not in Switzerland or in Canada). Rach lived just outside of NYC for 20+ yrs, VH lived in NYC for almost 40 yrs...The followers/students I speak of include Graffman, Janis, Perahia...Hamelin is absolutely NOT in that group, Hamelin does NOT play Rach! why even talk about him?
i'm thoroughly impressed by this man's musical genius.the no. 2. it blows away all other versions. they were all merely samplings, inferior preambles for the real performance. THIS is the real performance.
In Sweden we do nothing but being critical of our own and we have Roland Pöntinen to show for it. Richter is no1, for me, but check Pöntinen out playing Rachmaninov.
@machinefusion Actually--you HAVE highlighted the 'real' difference--despite our American inadequacies- you would not have been allowed to post any of your individual peculiar bigotries in Russia till 1991 without risk of reprisal--and even today as critics and journalists are threatened and shot.The fact that we do NOT have to stay silent over our critiques of 'godlike' Richter-and I AM an 'apostate'-is a difference I celebrate-and it must gall that you benefit from it!
@bloodgrss Honestly, mine wasn't an "ideological" statement, but just an "aesthetic" observation. In any case, I don't think at all U.S. was (and is) more "enlightened" than ex URSS (McCarthyism is a strong example of this) since eventually is not to hard to give people the illusion to be "truly free".
@machinefusion Well-I'm glad you "clarified"-tho' still puzzled. How do gulags and purges and forced starvations up to the tune of 20 million deaths equate with the admittedly hard days of "McCarthyism"? No one is TOTALLY free, but even during "McCarthyism" there was much, eventually successful dissent.-with no deaths and reprehensible but few blacklistings compared to wholesale slaughter. What a silly comparison. And your 'asthetic' observation is also, shall we say, zealous and shallow-minded.
@machinefusion You are joking! Where have you lived? on Mars? It is totally absurd for you to say ex-USSR is more "enlightened" than the USA. All culture was destroyed by the USSR!
mltube: Yes. We are not seeing the likes of Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt and Rachmaninoff. These old masters lived in times which had values and principles to which they adhered. There has been a deterioration of principles coming from decadent philosophies. They have destroyed the ability to think straight and to innovate. Godlessness and moral relativism have produced lower academic and creative standards. Today's President is liberal-minded, racing towards the New World Order.
Why don't you talk about other countries besides America that won't be able to produce amazing music like that. It isn't just the United States. Europe has been the hub of (classical) music since the renaissance..sure we come frome Europe but we still don't have that history like they do.
ok do you see any other continent besides Europe producing great pieces that will be around for centuries? No. There is a much different musical history that Europe has, that no other continent can ever compete with.
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I dont know if you are from America or not - my guess is that you're not - but regardless, you need to learn your manners; you arrogant commie bastard.
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bloodgrss 1 week ago
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bloodgrss 1 week ago
LOL-your going to break a "blood" vessel-pun intended-with yet another predictable little boy temper tantrum-we are LONG past any rational mind with you. Whatever care you are under should keep sharp objects away from you! You must have other YT video's to post pomposities on--why not take a break from this one before you wet your sexually confused pants-as from below I see the "elitist' is homophobic as well as sexist. I DO enjoy the paranoid, crude and pathetic ass you show in every post! :-))
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@nomsdufrere Good Lord--what pseudo-intellectual drivel--motivated it seems by a sort of impotent rage!News to me no art happens in America-one would love to know where you live that is so superior and produced such as you with omniscient intelligence! Well-maybe not-might spoil the illusion and give up the bigoted game. Hopefully you are inactive or silent by now--just had to comment on such absurd and pompous 'thought'!
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
Those wonderful torrents of notes. I invented the term tone-torrents after hearing some of these preludes.
handsomechuck1 4 months ago
@fluticious some of you like to blah blah blah bullshit during the performance.
Purplecatsoup30 5 months ago
Both pieces are absolutely amazingly played. Each note implies an emotion and the pieces convey a powerful story.
1Jiller 5 months ago
Amazing that the fools on the internet think better to bicker and argue over nothing, rather than drink in the beauty of Rachmaninoff.
Nightsparrow626 6 months ago
Beautiful!! I just realized something...that if I was in prison (God forbid) & I was given a choice between food or Rachmaninoff...I would definitely choose Rachmaninoff. Better to starve & die from lack of food than to die from starving my soul. Oh, most definitely.
vickiehill1 6 months ago
@vickiehill1 don't worry. The homos will feed you!
Purplecatsoup30 5 months ago
why did you combine these two i just wondered
blakbite 7 months ago
Congratulations, you win the award for the most idiotic comment on YT!
Perche pensi cosi? Un commento folle!
Bret6464 7 months ago
My two favorites from Op. 23. Love it.
evilpacman1742 9 months ago
I would love to grow old and play this to my grand children.
ganjaNozric 1 year ago 2
@ganjaNozric I hope to one day do that..someday..lol
Webarton 10 months ago
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piano0011 1 year ago
Всё же Рихтер величайший из великих
Treslointain 1 year ago
Всё же Рихтер величайший из великих
Treslointain 1 year ago
It's amazing how we use nationalism to discriminate. If it's not race, it's nation. If it weren't nation it would probably be hair color. Anyone who thinks nationality determines success is an idiot IMO. The truth is, mainsteam America isn't as interested in classical as much as Europe or other nations, so don't expect much in that department. It's purely a matter of appeal, not competence. Great video btw.
thphaca 2 years ago
But isn't that what we're talking about?
If we were to say that American's were less able to perform "classical" music, it would be racism, or nationalism, depending on which way you look at it. Russia puts out some of the best pianists in the world. It is to do with their culture of hard practice, determination and passion, and their prestigious music academies. It doesn't have to do with the state or their lineage, just their ethos on music.
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
@ciliaspippi
Well you are ignoring the fact (I'm from Pittsburgh) that with only a few exceptions, Americans do not produce as good of pianists as the Russians do.
Analyze it all you like, think its racist, nationalist, blame eugenics, whatever you like. It is, what it is.
EuphoricDan 1 year ago
@EuphoricDan
I have no doubt in your words.
I was saying that Russians DO have the best pianists in the world, consistently unambiguously. But what I mean is that it has nothing to do with "race". It is simply that there, the methods of teaching and learning are very strict, and very effective. So, I agree with you, America does not produce the pianists that Russians do (in most cases).
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
@ciliaspippi NO, NO, and NO!
The great Russian pianists and teachers all left the soviet union and moved to the U.S :-) Both Rachmaninoff and Horowitz were in NYC for decades...All of their followers, students are Americans...That extraordinary classical Russian Romantic School moved to American conservatories, Juilliard for one.
Bret6464 1 year ago
@Bret6464
True, many of the musicians from the Soviet Union moved to America. To say that they were American is quite preposterous. Rachmaninov was not "in NYC for decades", he toured all over America and spent Summers in Switzerland.
No, his followers were not all American. The whole world has a love for his music.
I still do not know how this could possibly relate to him as a musician.
True, there are some great American pianists: Garrick Ohlsson (USA), Marc Andre Hamelin (Canada),
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
@ciliaspippi But to say that the Russian school has moved to America is a gross overstatement. The Julliard school is a great school, but so it the Moscow Conservatory.
Who won the 2008 Sydney International Piano Competition? Who is Evgeny Kissin? Who just won the Chopin International Piano Competition?
I am sorry, but I do not understand what relation your argument had to anything I typed. I was talking about the actual quality of pianists coming out of Russia. What were you talking about?
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
@ciliaspippi Of course The Moscow Conservatory is extraordinary, so is the St. Petersburg, so is Juilliard!!!
What is your point?
It's absurd for you to say there are many great Russian pianists, but only few Americans as good...
This is NOT the time of Rachmaninoff, Gilels, Richter, Horowitz and Moiseiwitch..Yes they are unequaled, never will, but still your assertion is absurd.
Bret6464 1 year ago
@Bret6464
Sorry.... for a second there I thought you were talking about pianists who play Rachmaninov. I was talking about pianists. Despite Rachmaninov being my favourite composer, there are other composers and it does not make a pianist any worse if he or she prefers Chopin.
I maintain that Russia somehow produces the greatest pianists in the world,
Judging by ongoing results, it does not seem to me that that is such an absurd assertion.
This really does get tiresome, can we stop, please?
ciliaspippi 1 year ago
@ciliaspippi Yes we should, sorry if I said the wrong thing :-)) I assumed the subject was Richter playing Rach's 23/2..and Richter is surreal, one of the greatest ever
BTW there's a long list of great American pianists: Van Cliburn, Watts, Perahia, Janis, Graffman, Bronfman...all are incredible interpreters of Rach...and the three "followers" I mentioned, Graffman, Janis and Perahia all worked face-to-face with Horowitz...What an extraordinary priviledge that was for them :-)
Bret6464 1 year ago
@Bret6464 How amusing to catch up with your peculiar pomposity here-interesting you imply that all the great teachers left-then back-track to compliment the Conservatory's (yes- IS St. Petersburg and NOT Leningrad!) All the recent fine pianists out of Russia would be surprised to hear of their inferior training. While I DO applaud your defense of US pianists-ironic you include Graffman and his link to Horowitz-while you condemn Yuja Wang as unmusical-his particular student for 6 years!
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@bloodgrss
You sorely need to understand classical piano before pontificating on YT.
Your statements are drivel and you are a deranged "person" who trolls YT looking for justification for your sorry existence! :-))
Yuja Wang plays in the tradition of Lang Lang, she has the identical qualification, both are from the PRC - perfect "shows" to sell in the PRC. LL's "act" is suitable for comedy and Yuja is a great typewriter who needs something more ergo her short-short skirts :-))
Bret6464 2 weeks ago
@Bret6464 I eagerly awaited your response-it lives up to all the pomposity and pseudo-musicological bias you have always been unkind enough to lay before us.You are a paranoid monomaniac on matters 'pianistic'-with a dash of bigotry. A fanatic with the idea that you have 'elite' and informed taste-but I have scratched the surface to the unvarnished crude and pretentious fraud you are.
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@Bret6464 You demonstrate everywhere I come across you your fossilized and prejudiced 'taste'-and when crossed you try to attack personally the 'qualification' of your detractors. So obvious and infantile. Perhaps if you got your facts right-quotes accurate-and did a better job at hiding your bigotries-that MIGHT be taken seriously! Your pontificating on YT is an astonishing intellectual canard! (Now-next-your four letter words!) I DO enjoy the paranoid, pathetic ass you are :-))
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@bloodgrss How many times do you need to be called an ass before you shut up!
You are HARASSING ME! Drop dead, go away, fuck off, go play with your bum boy!
BLOODGRSS YOU ARE THE NUMERO UNO DICK ON YT :-)
Leep wacking to videos of Yuja - Have fun you liitle shit!
Bret6464 2 weeks ago
@Bret6464 How refreshing-in an uncertain world-your pubescent, foul mouthed harangues! Am I harassing you little boy?! Well-you can run-but you can't hide-particularly when I see how ridiculous and bigoted you are in opinion and 'intellectual' thought. Sticks and stones my friend. If you were accurate with fact--balanced--less the moronic, crude monomaniac you are in matters 'pianistic' I might take you seriously! I DO enjoy the paranoid, pathetic ass you show every time you post! :-))
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@bloodgrss BLOOFGRSS YOU IGNORANT SLUT !!!!!
What part of STFU, drop dead, fuck off don't you understand?
You must NOT forget to take your pills - otherwise the insane asylum you reside in will cancel your internet priviledges.
You DO earn your name as the biggest dick on YT - f'ing FAIL !!!!
Bret6464 2 weeks ago
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@bloodgrss How many times do you need to be called an ass before you shut up!
You are HARASSING ME! Drop dead, go away, fuck off, go play with your bum boy!
BLOODGRSS YOU ARE THE NUMERO UNO DICK ON YT :-)
Leep wacking to videos of Yuja - Have fun you liitle shit!
Bret6464 2 weeks ago
@ciliaspippi I said as clearly as I can in plain American English - that Rach's and Horowitz' followers and students were American, in the U.S. (not in Switzerland or in Canada). Rach lived just outside of NYC for 20+ yrs, VH lived in NYC for almost 40 yrs...The followers/students I speak of include Graffman, Janis, Perahia...Hamelin is absolutely NOT in that group, Hamelin does NOT play Rach! why even talk about him?
Bret6464 1 year ago
i'm thoroughly impressed by this man's musical genius.the no. 2. it blows away all other versions. they were all merely samplings, inferior preambles for the real performance. THIS is the real performance.
tahirthebad 2 years ago
Well, it's not like Russia's going to produce another composer comparable to Rachmaninoff, either, so...
demosj 2 years ago
In the next coming years, I would turn to America to produce the incredible new composers...
Webarton 2 years ago
does your opinion really matter? what's important is we're all lucky to live in this century and learn from all the great artists..
froog2k 2 years ago 2
Richter is playing Rachmaninov)))) both Russians for whom who didnt know)
Kongriv 2 years ago
In Sweden we do nothing but being critical of our own and we have Roland Pöntinen to show for it. Richter is no1, for me, but check Pöntinen out playing Rachmaninov.
<3 not h8
simonshusse 2 years ago
"Please Americans, keep silent, Richter is playing".
That's the difference between us and you.
machinefusion 2 years ago 21
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
emakhanov 1 year ago
@machinefusion
Do you mean by that, whole people of american continent or just people from the USA?
I guess you need a map.
andibonnington 7 months ago
@andibonnington no you seem confused
Tool9395 3 months ago
@machinefusion Actually--you HAVE highlighted the 'real' difference--despite our American inadequacies- you would not have been allowed to post any of your individual peculiar bigotries in Russia till 1991 without risk of reprisal--and even today as critics and journalists are threatened and shot.The fact that we do NOT have to stay silent over our critiques of 'godlike' Richter-and I AM an 'apostate'-is a difference I celebrate-and it must gall that you benefit from it!
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@bloodgrss Honestly, mine wasn't an "ideological" statement, but just an "aesthetic" observation. In any case, I don't think at all U.S. was (and is) more "enlightened" than ex URSS (McCarthyism is a strong example of this) since eventually is not to hard to give people the illusion to be "truly free".
machinefusion 2 weeks ago
@machinefusion Well-I'm glad you "clarified"-tho' still puzzled. How do gulags and purges and forced starvations up to the tune of 20 million deaths equate with the admittedly hard days of "McCarthyism"? No one is TOTALLY free, but even during "McCarthyism" there was much, eventually successful dissent.-with no deaths and reprehensible but few blacklistings compared to wholesale slaughter. What a silly comparison. And your 'asthetic' observation is also, shall we say, zealous and shallow-minded.
bloodgrss 2 weeks ago
@machinefusion You are joking! Where have you lived? on Mars? It is totally absurd for you to say ex-USSR is more "enlightened" than the USA. All culture was destroyed by the USSR!
Bret6464 2 weeks ago
mltube: Yes. We are not seeing the likes of Bach, Beethoven, Chopin, Liszt and Rachmaninoff. These old masters lived in times which had values and principles to which they adhered. There has been a deterioration of principles coming from decadent philosophies. They have destroyed the ability to think straight and to innovate. Godlessness and moral relativism have produced lower academic and creative standards. Today's President is liberal-minded, racing towards the New World Order.
concerto35 2 years ago
Very well said concerto35
bevster1 2 years ago
здорово!
charlesarne 3 years ago 2
Why don't you talk about other countries besides America that won't be able to produce amazing music like that. It isn't just the United States. Europe has been the hub of (classical) music since the renaissance..sure we come frome Europe but we still don't have that history like they do.
ErinZ0na 3 years ago
ok do you see any other continent besides Europe producing great pieces that will be around for centuries? No. There is a much different musical history that Europe has, that no other continent can ever compete with.
ErinZ0na 3 years ago 3
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I dont know if you are from America or not - my guess is that you're not - but regardless, you need to learn your manners; you arrogant commie bastard.
clumpofdirt77 3 years ago
Thank you.
mephistocat9 3 years ago
You're welcome.
gc65531941 3 years ago 4
Everytime I hear this- the crying, the death knell, lined up against a wall and shot, the flowing blood. Very Russian.
scharwenka1850 3 years ago
Wtf you talking about?
MarshalGZhukov 2 years ago
great. so russian!
JulesJapan 3 years ago 4
awesome !
iamalittlespy 3 years ago 3