Try a newtons craddle that has the end balls leaning on the center ones. The dynamics will change. Try it with just 3 balls and see if one leaves while the other 2 shift to the center of mass.
However you use the energy of the middle magnet, if there was more energy from it than what would be required to keep the outer magnets moving then whatever that difference was could be used for anything. I would like to know if you've expanded your model since this video was made.
It may have to do with where the fulcrum is located in each model. It's probably just a magnetic version of leverage. You have to make sure the one you're lifting is in the exact same positions in the different models and that you are not causing more distance traveled merely by adding more work. If there's more leverage in the last model then that can confuse you.
Another depressing indictment of the education system! I cannot decide who are worse; the idiots who think that they have obtained energy from nowhere, or the ones who quote 'bumper-sticker philosophy', as in "laws are made to be broken".
Just attach a small rod magnet halfway up the center pendulum arm and make it pass through the center of a coil as it swings back & fourth. Like in a soleniod. Then you will have created a current. The question is will that energy be greater than the energy used to start the process? The laws of physics say no, but laws are made to be broken.
@ToemanX If you can make it run on it's own power then you have proven it is free energy. If there is any energy left over. Equillibrium is not good enough to overcome the losses of transfering electrical energy to mechanical and back again. Many people have been trying for many years to create a perpetual machine and have failed. Now with these new rare earth magnets it seems possible because of their enormous stregnth. But so far I have not seen one work. The laws of physics forbid it.
@ToemanX I envision a mile long track of magnets in a v-gate configuration. A small car containing a magnet at one end would only reqire a small push to get it started on a mile-long lorney thereby creating free energy, but would the energy gained be more then it took to make the magnets?
@ToemanX Yes if it worked with a linear configuration, it would work in a closed circle. It could also be turned into a magnetic generator. Similar to the mag-lev trains with a permanent magnet replacing the current electro-magnets on the train cars. I''ve seen Howard Johnson's rail assembly of magnets push another magnet several feet so it should be possible. But back to your invention, to prove you're geting more enrgy than what u put in u have close the system & have it run on it's own power.
think about what i said about energy .i can power star-ships . give me about 4 months contact me. i will show a theory base on Pendulum Power, Free Energy for you to power your home. free energy, can get you killed. i wish you would think of it with out me telling you. best wish's
@ToemanX like aura ,it may be a shadow . i know free energy. to truly understand energy . you have to know how energy flows and how it is stored . a mountain or its trees is a energy source ,the dirt or trees move to the bottom is good energy source . the are meany more . the true nature of the universe is the movement of energy and storing of energy . the vibrating universe . force =energy for man
@ToemanX dude, that's utterly obvious bullshit! the energy you put into the system is the height of the first pendulum plus the "spring" energy of the bent metal sheet plus the magnetic field energy difference (negligible). During the motion, add also kinetic energy. Now calculate the total energy (3 kinds of potential energy + kinetic energy) for every pendulum at any instance of time and you will see that it's always less than in the beginning due to friction. There's no energy gain!
@novgorod000 You state it yourself there are 3 kinds of potential energy involved: (1)gravity, (2)metal spring tension (3)and magnetic field compression. However, my muscles only have to use energy to act against
the first two potential energies. The third type magnetic field compression (and expansion) is the free energy
@ToemanX yeah, and in the beginning there's no kinetic energy and then it suddenly appears, right? You've invented the perpetuum mobile, dude! :o
The equation of motion here has 3 force terms and if you solve it (e.g. for the Lagrangian coordinates and momenta), you will easily see how the energy is transferred from potential and tensile energy, via kinetic energy into magnetic field energy and back again with a non-trivial coupling. The energy is always conserved (if you neglect friction)...
@novgorod000 I can not tell if you are being sarcastic or if you are just ignorant of physics. An object at a height has gravitational potentional energy. When the object begins to fall its' kinetic energy suddenly - out of nowhere -
appears. An object at rest has potentional energy. An object in motion has kinetic energy.
@ToemanX oh, if you can't tell whether I meant "perpetuum mobile" sarcastic, then maybe it's also no point to ask why you think that the system in motion (potential/kinetic/magnetic energy) has more energy than at the very beginning...
@ToemanX i feel the need to point this out. the term "potentional energy" is a generic term. and by the name it self is not energy. but in the case you said of lifting an object, the correct term is that object now has "potentional kinetic energy" the same way if you charge a leyden jar, it will have "potentional pos or neg static energy" but when released it "suddenly" becomes a DC current. its all still the same energy, its just at rest or stored.
At the bottom of the swing, the height difference is at its lowest. The vertical inches are minimal, and even out anyway.
The middle pendulum was moved when the left one was raised. It was moved to a balance position with the right pendulum, after which the left one was brought in to create the chaotic movements. With the left one not being supported by the hand anymore, the middle and right one again assume balance with the left one as third member.
Newtons cradle is a textbook example of an ELASTIC collision. Using hardened tool steel you can achieve a coefficient of restitution in the high 9's
If you wish to see an inelastic collision subsutute dumplings for the steel balls
KirkMcLoren 1 month ago
@KirkMcLoren Are you drunk?
ToemanX 1 month ago
Ok this is what I see. Yours /|\ newtons ||| so when you / /\ make sense?
g11690102 1 month ago
Try a newtons craddle that has the end balls leaning on the center ones. The dynamics will change. Try it with just 3 balls and see if one leaves while the other 2 shift to the center of mass.
g11690102 1 month ago
One thing I noticed is when you lifted the one on the left all three moved.
g11690102 1 month ago
@g11690102 Yes that's true but I'm not sure what your point is. Both side magnets are
pushing on the center magnet. When I lift one side the three magnets are no longer
balanced. The center and right magnets push away from each other causing them to
move.
ToemanX 1 month ago
i have an idea it may work .if you are interested let me know
hannabangi 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
However you use the energy of the middle magnet, if there was more energy from it than what would be required to keep the outer magnets moving then whatever that difference was could be used for anything. I would like to know if you've expanded your model since this video was made.
7F0X7 2 months ago
@7F0X7 I am still experimenting with the original device. I am trying the best way to
extract energy from the swinging magnets while allowing them to swing as long as
possible.
ToemanX 2 months ago
It may have to do with where the fulcrum is located in each model. It's probably just a magnetic version of leverage. You have to make sure the one you're lifting is in the exact same positions in the different models and that you are not causing more distance traveled merely by adding more work. If there's more leverage in the last model then that can confuse you.
MillionthUsername 2 months ago
@MillionthUsername My device does use a type of magnetic leverage but that is not a
bad thing. My lifting the first magnetic pendulum does add work to the system but I
insist I am getting much more work out of the movement of the three magnets than I put in.
ToemanX 2 months ago
excellent video, love your stuff, I can think of 3 ways/configurations for this concept.
cityvillian 2 months ago
Another depressing indictment of the education system! I cannot decide who are worse; the idiots who think that they have obtained energy from nowhere, or the ones who quote 'bumper-sticker philosophy', as in "laws are made to be broken".
flowerbower 2 months ago
@flowerbower My device is not an example of "energy from nowhere." Instead it is
an example of synergy - the interaction of three magnetic fields produces an effect
greater than a single field.
ToemanX 2 months ago
@ToemanX What effect, and greater in what way? And what's new anyway; Huyghen's version of Newton's cradle was far more impressive.
flowerbower 2 months ago
Just attach a small rod magnet halfway up the center pendulum arm and make it pass through the center of a coil as it swings back & fourth. Like in a soleniod. Then you will have created a current. The question is will that energy be greater than the energy used to start the process? The laws of physics say no, but laws are made to be broken.
theuspatriot3000 4 months ago
@theuspatriot3000 You have a good practical idea. The purpose of this video is more theoritical. It shows
how I use energy (muscle energy) to lift one pendulum a certain distance but in return this moves three
pendulums a greater total distance. This seems like free energy to me. There are various practical ways
useful energy could be captured from this process.
ToemanX 4 months ago
@ToemanX If you can make it run on it's own power then you have proven it is free energy. If there is any energy left over. Equillibrium is not good enough to overcome the losses of transfering electrical energy to mechanical and back again. Many people have been trying for many years to create a perpetual machine and have failed. Now with these new rare earth magnets it seems possible because of their enormous stregnth. But so far I have not seen one work. The laws of physics forbid it.
theuspatriot3000 4 months ago
@ToemanX I envision a mile long track of magnets in a v-gate configuration. A small car containing a magnet at one end would only reqire a small push to get it started on a mile-long lorney thereby creating free energy, but would the energy gained be more then it took to make the magnets?
theuspatriot3000 4 months ago
@theuspatriot3000 How cost effective a device is, is an important point. If you could make your track circular
so that the car went around many times I think the device would then be cost effective.
ToemanX 3 months ago
@ToemanX Yes if it worked with a linear configuration, it would work in a closed circle. It could also be turned into a magnetic generator. Similar to the mag-lev trains with a permanent magnet replacing the current electro-magnets on the train cars. I''ve seen Howard Johnson's rail assembly of magnets push another magnet several feet so it should be possible. But back to your invention, to prove you're geting more enrgy than what u put in u have close the system & have it run on it's own power.
theuspatriot3000 3 months ago
think about what i said about energy .i can power star-ships . give me about 4 months contact me. i will show a theory base on Pendulum Power, Free Energy for you to power your home. free energy, can get you killed. i wish you would think of it with out me telling you. best wish's
greenearthnazi20204u 4 months ago
@greenearthnazi20204u You have given me a lot to think about. I will think about the flow of energy you have
suggested. It may be helpful with future devices. Thanks for the insight.
ToemanX 4 months ago
i can see the magnetic-field in the video what camera did you uses?
greenearthnazi20204u 4 months ago
@greenearthnazi20204u When you say "I can see the magnetic-field" do you mean you get the idea behind the
magnetic-field, or do you mean you can literally see the magnetic-field? (2) I used a Sony PD150 video camera.
ToemanX 4 months ago
@ToemanX like aura ,it may be a shadow . i know free energy. to truly understand energy . you have to know how energy flows and how it is stored . a mountain or its trees is a energy source ,the dirt or trees move to the bottom is good energy source . the are meany more . the true nature of the universe is the movement of energy and storing of energy . the vibrating universe . force =energy for man
greenearthnazi20204u 4 months ago
lol time wasting movie
kingfaisal550 4 months ago
Where is the Free Energy?
MucusFelidae 4 months ago
@MucusFelidae The energy needed by my hand to raise the pendulum is less than the total energy
expended by the center swinging pendulum, so there is a net free energy gain.
ToemanX 4 months ago
@ToemanX "so there is a net free energy gain"
I don't see that and I don't agree..
MucusFelidae 4 months ago
@ToemanX You are a dreamer.
MucusFelidae 4 months ago
@ToemanX dude, that's utterly obvious bullshit! the energy you put into the system is the height of the first pendulum plus the "spring" energy of the bent metal sheet plus the magnetic field energy difference (negligible). During the motion, add also kinetic energy. Now calculate the total energy (3 kinds of potential energy + kinetic energy) for every pendulum at any instance of time and you will see that it's always less than in the beginning due to friction. There's no energy gain!
novgorod000 4 months ago
@novgorod000 You state it yourself there are 3 kinds of potential energy involved: (1)gravity, (2)metal spring tension (3)and magnetic field compression. However, my muscles only have to use energy to act against
the first two potential energies. The third type magnetic field compression (and expansion) is the free energy
as I used no energy to activate it.
ToemanX 4 months ago
@ToemanX yeah, and in the beginning there's no kinetic energy and then it suddenly appears, right? You've invented the perpetuum mobile, dude! :o
The equation of motion here has 3 force terms and if you solve it (e.g. for the Lagrangian coordinates and momenta), you will easily see how the energy is transferred from potential and tensile energy, via kinetic energy into magnetic field energy and back again with a non-trivial coupling. The energy is always conserved (if you neglect friction)...
novgorod000 4 months ago
@novgorod000 I can not tell if you are being sarcastic or if you are just ignorant of physics. An object at a height has gravitational potentional energy. When the object begins to fall its' kinetic energy suddenly - out of nowhere -
appears. An object at rest has potentional energy. An object in motion has kinetic energy.
ToemanX 4 months ago
@ToemanX oh, if you can't tell whether I meant "perpetuum mobile" sarcastic, then maybe it's also no point to ask why you think that the system in motion (potential/kinetic/magnetic energy) has more energy than at the very beginning...
novgorod000 4 months ago
@ToemanX i feel the need to point this out. the term "potentional energy" is a generic term. and by the name it self is not energy. but in the case you said of lifting an object, the correct term is that object now has "potentional kinetic energy" the same way if you charge a leyden jar, it will have "potentional pos or neg static energy" but when released it "suddenly" becomes a DC current. its all still the same energy, its just at rest or stored.
1crazyfocker 4 months ago
This will never ever be close to "a type of free energy" - you are seeing what you believe and not what is actually happening.
LiamXaoh 5 months ago
Why do you keep saying 200 inches don't you mean two. :|
NeroEpidemic 6 months ago
@NeroEpidemic The pendulum covers a short distance in one swing but swings back and forth many times.
The 200 inches is the total distance covered by all the swings. It is like a person pacing back and forth.
If a person walks ten feet and turns around and walks back the same ten feet, the total distance covered is
twenty feet.
ToemanX 6 months ago
Nevermind
MrThisIsCritical 6 months ago
Does the motion ever end? how long does it last?
MrThisIsCritical 6 months ago
excelente expl. you are very close
8080viking 10 months ago
this may need a timing system (cogs?) to stop left and right fighting each other. thus making the middle (work) pendulum do more unhindered movement.
Very interesting clip many thanks.
mr1000rx 10 months ago
At the bottom of the swing, the height difference is at its lowest. The vertical inches are minimal, and even out anyway.
The middle pendulum was moved when the left one was raised. It was moved to a balance position with the right pendulum, after which the left one was brought in to create the chaotic movements. With the left one not being supported by the hand anymore, the middle and right one again assume balance with the left one as third member.
The amount of in traveled is in fact zero.
Cloxxki 11 months ago
@Cloxxki I do not follow your logic. I used energy to raise the left weight three inches vertically and when
dropped it caused the middle weight (same mass) to move horizontally a distance of 200 inches (in a back
and forth way). You think the movement of the middle weight is invalid because it moves horizontally or because
it swings back and forth or what? I do not understand.
ToemanX 11 months ago