And it isn't right but some women (as with those ladies in the burqa's) are taking the issue of modesty to a level that has nothing to do with modesty. I'm sure there were places where some danced, I just saw a glimpse of the ladies in the video in the womens section sitting down.
@estherhadas I agree with you that those ladies went way too far with attempting to be modest... in the end they will draw more attention to themselves.
And then there's the women in Beit Shemesh who have taken modesty to such an extreme that they are wearing burqa's. I know Chabad is different and I wish the Rebbe were still here b/c we are a mess. As far as the dating crises goes, I see men who are in their 50's who should be married already and they are sitll looking for the 35 year old to give them a baby b/c they have a right! What about mitzvahs onah? No one wants to discuss that which is one of the three mitzvahs on the ketubah.
@yosstek - its a dating crises as is well known throughout the frum world and it basically comes down to what a man wants: a size 0-2 (did you know our girls are becoming anorexic, I kid you not), whether the girls mothers wear a shabbos robe to the table friday night and do they put a plastic down on the shabbos table. Also, what a man has a right to: have a baby, which means any woman over 35 is not considered as much as one 35 and under.
@estherhadas It looks like you clearly have had some bad experiences with men, and I feel for ya, but what you're saying is an extreme exaggeration of the truth. It's sexist of you to blame the whole "dating crisis" on men and what men want. Also, the women wearing burqas in Beit Shemesh are a tiny group B"H and they are nutjobs, most probably with nutjob husbands (that's my assumption). Also, I think you should talk to a Rabbi or Rav about all your questions in this area.
I assume nothing - using women with disabilities is a lame excuse for women to be seated while the men are dancing. Miriam not only SANG but DANCED with her timbrels and her Jewish sisters at the song at the sea. Frumkeit is becoming more and more sexist, IMHO and as men you might not see it. As a women, I can attest to it. Fumka's anyone? And let's not start on the Jewish dating crises and why that exists . . .
@estherhadas I didn't say all the women had disabilities, I'm simply saying how can you assume that, of the crowd you saw, none of them were disabled or that they were not able to dance for some reason, or maybe they don't know how to dance, or simply didn't feel like it, or maybe they danced already - the reasons why you saw them sitting can be anything. Also, in Miriam's times the Jewish people were a lot holier, and I'm sure however they sang and danced, it was in a modest way.
@estherhadas Also, your opinion about Frumkeit becoming more sexist might be true in Neturei Karta, but not in sects like Chabad or regular Orthodoxy. Besides for the dancing thing, what other rights do frum women not have that men do? Also, I'm not sure what the dating crisis has to do with this? And anyways, is it really a dating crisis, or are people just being too picky?
I saw a glimpse of the women sitting in a balconey above the men while the men where dancing and having a good time. I'll bet you they were sitting . . .
@estherhadas I don't know what to tell you. It's highly possible that your suspicions are true and that the women are not allowed to dance, but it doesn't sound right.
@estherhadas The women are generally on the women's side. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they were also having a grand old time!!! Frankly, though, it's so packed and squishy in Meron on Lag Ba'omer, that you wouldn't get me up there! I do send my husband and boys though....
I'm glad the men were all having such a grand time. As an Orthodox Jewish woman, I'd like to know where we all were during the festivities? On a balconey, sitting still, watching?
@estherhadas I'm not sure what would cause you to come to what I can only assume as such a negative conclusion. There are separate areas for men and women, and as such, I'm pretty sure that the women dance, as well. I didn't go into the women's section, and therefore did not take a video of them dancing, which would be immodest for me to do anyways. I'm sure the women had a great time, if not a better time, than the men. I urge you to go there, with an open-mind, and see for yourself.
@estherhadas also, I don't think it's fair that you assume that all women can dance. If there are women with disabilities or who have difficulties with their legs, it's possible that they are not able to dance, and, as such, they may be stuck sitting on the side watching. Maybe not though, it's possible that they brought wheelchairs and kind people dance with them in their wheelchairs.
nah its so cool- it's the real deal. now i get to see close-ups of the mens side which i didnt get to see so well. watching the vid is like re-living that night, thanks for posting it!
The only issue is that I was a little lazy on the editing, so it's just a bunch of clips from my camera thrown together - Maybe next Lag B'Omer I'll edit it before posting :-P
My experiences in the dating world have been with how the system is set up and how we have made a mess out of it. That isn't the mens fault at all.
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas The system is messed up, and it starts with the educational system, which is also messed up, if not lacking entirely.
yosstek 9 months ago
And it isn't right but some women (as with those ladies in the burqa's) are taking the issue of modesty to a level that has nothing to do with modesty. I'm sure there were places where some danced, I just saw a glimpse of the ladies in the video in the womens section sitting down.
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas I agree with you that those ladies went way too far with attempting to be modest... in the end they will draw more attention to themselves.
yosstek 9 months ago
I come to negative conclusions b/c that is what I have been seeing within Yiddishkeit as of late so, I'm just sayin' . . .
estherhadas 9 months ago
And then there's the women in Beit Shemesh who have taken modesty to such an extreme that they are wearing burqa's. I know Chabad is different and I wish the Rebbe were still here b/c we are a mess. As far as the dating crises goes, I see men who are in their 50's who should be married already and they are sitll looking for the 35 year old to give them a baby b/c they have a right! What about mitzvahs onah? No one wants to discuss that which is one of the three mitzvahs on the ketubah.
estherhadas 9 months ago
@yosstek - its a dating crises as is well known throughout the frum world and it basically comes down to what a man wants: a size 0-2 (did you know our girls are becoming anorexic, I kid you not), whether the girls mothers wear a shabbos robe to the table friday night and do they put a plastic down on the shabbos table. Also, what a man has a right to: have a baby, which means any woman over 35 is not considered as much as one 35 and under.
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas It looks like you clearly have had some bad experiences with men, and I feel for ya, but what you're saying is an extreme exaggeration of the truth. It's sexist of you to blame the whole "dating crisis" on men and what men want. Also, the women wearing burqas in Beit Shemesh are a tiny group B"H and they are nutjobs, most probably with nutjob husbands (that's my assumption). Also, I think you should talk to a Rabbi or Rav about all your questions in this area.
yosstek 9 months ago
I assume nothing - using women with disabilities is a lame excuse for women to be seated while the men are dancing. Miriam not only SANG but DANCED with her timbrels and her Jewish sisters at the song at the sea. Frumkeit is becoming more and more sexist, IMHO and as men you might not see it. As a women, I can attest to it. Fumka's anyone? And let's not start on the Jewish dating crises and why that exists . . .
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas I didn't say all the women had disabilities, I'm simply saying how can you assume that, of the crowd you saw, none of them were disabled or that they were not able to dance for some reason, or maybe they don't know how to dance, or simply didn't feel like it, or maybe they danced already - the reasons why you saw them sitting can be anything. Also, in Miriam's times the Jewish people were a lot holier, and I'm sure however they sang and danced, it was in a modest way.
yosstek 9 months ago
@estherhadas Also, your opinion about Frumkeit becoming more sexist might be true in Neturei Karta, but not in sects like Chabad or regular Orthodoxy. Besides for the dancing thing, what other rights do frum women not have that men do? Also, I'm not sure what the dating crisis has to do with this? And anyways, is it really a dating crisis, or are people just being too picky?
yosstek 9 months ago
I saw a glimpse of the women sitting in a balconey above the men while the men where dancing and having a good time. I'll bet you they were sitting . . .
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas I don't know what to tell you. It's highly possible that your suspicions are true and that the women are not allowed to dance, but it doesn't sound right.
yosstek 9 months ago
@estherhadas The women are generally on the women's side. I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts they were also having a grand old time!!! Frankly, though, it's so packed and squishy in Meron on Lag Ba'omer, that you wouldn't get me up there! I do send my husband and boys though....
Batyaboo 9 months ago
I'm glad the men were all having such a grand time. As an Orthodox Jewish woman, I'd like to know where we all were during the festivities? On a balconey, sitting still, watching?
estherhadas 9 months ago
@estherhadas I'm not sure what would cause you to come to what I can only assume as such a negative conclusion. There are separate areas for men and women, and as such, I'm pretty sure that the women dance, as well. I didn't go into the women's section, and therefore did not take a video of them dancing, which would be immodest for me to do anyways. I'm sure the women had a great time, if not a better time, than the men. I urge you to go there, with an open-mind, and see for yourself.
yosstek 9 months ago
@estherhadas also, I don't think it's fair that you assume that all women can dance. If there are women with disabilities or who have difficulties with their legs, it's possible that they are not able to dance, and, as such, they may be stuck sitting on the side watching. Maybe not though, it's possible that they brought wheelchairs and kind people dance with them in their wheelchairs.
yosstek 9 months ago
anyone know where i get get the this song (the one playing at the beginning of the video)
itsthatmovieguy 1 year ago
@itsthatmovieguy whats the name of it even?
idanbergman 9 months ago
c u there this year
midnightrabbi 1 year ago
@midnightrabbi Dunno yet :-)
yosstek 1 year ago
@yosstek its all about will lol rotzon
midnightrabbi 1 year ago
Riboino shel olam, what other nation is the like your yidn?
Who else has such simcha, only the yidn!!!
Partos89 2 years ago
when is the next hilloolah, i would love to attend
georgettec11 2 years ago
This will happen again next Lag B'Omer, B'Ezrat Hashem! :-D
yosstek 2 years ago
nah its so cool- it's the real deal. now i get to see close-ups of the mens side which i didnt get to see so well. watching the vid is like re-living that night, thanks for posting it!
Musicobsesser06 2 years ago
Oh ok, lol.
yosstek 2 years ago
Love this video- u have the best shots
Musicobsesser06 2 years ago
Thanks, it was a lot of fun up there :-D
The only issue is that I was a little lazy on the editing, so it's just a bunch of clips from my camera thrown together - Maybe next Lag B'Omer I'll edit it before posting :-P
yosstek 2 years ago