That Artizan is very similar to the one on the carousel at Idlewild Park. Unfortunately, theirs has been gutted and most of the original pipes were replaced with those off a Wurlitzer 103 in order to convert it to Wurlitzer 125-scale rolls. BIG MISTAKE!!! If they were to make any modifications to it, it should have been converted to play 165-scale rolls (because of the crash cymbal) I would love to see Idlewild's "Wurlitzan D-103" get its original "guts" back someday...
@whoisthisguy724 I think if the Idlewild Artizan D were converted to play Wurlitzer rolls using the original chassis, the 150 scale would be most logical, having the same notes in the trumpet and melody divisions. Two bass notes and two trombone notes would be unused, and one accompaniment note (I think) would have to be changed. However, the results would still be more musical than converting to either 125 or 165 rolls, both of which require accidentals not present in the D or 150 scales.
@whoisthisguy724 do you know where the guts are today? Would it really be possible to put that organ back to original using the original parts? If the Artizan roll frames are gone, a set of duplex Artizan 61-keyless frames is available for sale from the gentleman who owns THIS complete original D (in the video), since they came off of a B.A.B.-converted Gavioli organ that he owned. (I think Artizan and B.A.B. roll frames are identical).
I JUST IDENTIFIED THE TUNE THIS ORGAN IS PLAYING: It is "Hearts of Promise Waltzes", composed by Carl Loveland, and published in 1915 by Vandersloot Music Co. of Williamsport, PA.
@KawhackitaRag Vandersloot were one of the top publishers in the US at the time, in terms of getting their music onto recordings and music rolls, and having national sheet-music distribution. In these respects, they greatly resembled the publishing titans of New York City and Chicago. The works they published, by Harry J. Lincoln, Carl Loveland, Frank H. Losey, and others, thus got wide exposure.
You can view and download the sheet music for "Hearts of Promise" on the Maine Music Box site.
I have heard this organ in person. The owner is a friend of mine. He has a Wurlitzer 153 band organ and had more in his collection. He sadly went through a nasty divorce and had to sell a lot of his collection. Back to the 153, he was kind enough to play a Wurlitzer 150 roll on it. It sounded very nice. Like it or not, Wurlitzer music rolls was the standard in this country. There is a video of another Artizan Model D organ on You Tube in the Nielson Collection.
@anglerfly no. I wish I did. It was owned by George Whitney at Playland in San Francisco for many years. George was my great great uncle. The organ can been seen in an episode of "The Twilight Zone" TV series. The episode featured a very young Billy Mumy, long before he was Will Robinson on "Lost in Space." Unfortunately I don't know the title of the episode. I am so grateful for it's current owners. My relatives had no interest in keeping it.
Yes, Idlewild has the facade of an Artizan Style D. The organ behind it is a Wurlitzer 103. Not sure where the Artizan organ went, if it was there, or maybe they only acquired the facade.
My friend who owns the organ played a Wurlitzer 150 roll on it. It sounded OK, but this organ can play Wurlitzer 165 music. The BAB music which you hear is arrigend for larger scale organs.
It does. When I saw my friend who owns the organ a few years ago, for fun he put a Wurlitzer 150 style roll on it to see how it would sound. It was pretty good. He still owns a couple of Wurlitzer 153's.
@darvozz This is not the original paint and doesnt look like it used to. the military artizan at Idlewld park looks like it used to. Idlewild park's aritzan ( well an artizan would sound better than a 103 ) Is somewhere else but I has the original drums, inside the drive machine ( you can see it ) Is a wurliTzer BIG 103 band organ!
@anglerfly The Artizan D from Ontario Beach, Rochester, New York, is now in the Neilson collection in Pennsylvania. Centreville in Toronto does have an Artizan D facade, but I'm not sure what the organ is behind it. It would play 165 rolls if it played at all.
@darvozz The organ in Centreville is not an Artizan D but a Welte model II concert organ. The experts aren't sure, but they think that Welte sold Gebruder Bruder or Wilhelm Bruder Sohne organs under their own name, and did not actually manufacture fairground organs themselves. It is possible the organ originally played Welte rolls, but this system is long gone, the organ having been converted to Wurlitzer 150 rolls long ago.
@darvozz You are correct that the Centreville organ looks like an Artizan D though; I believe that Artizan copied this facade design, "stretching" it to fit their larger model D chassis. If an Artizan D were to be converted to Wurlitzer rolls (something I would not recommend), only the 150 rolls would fit the scale well. The D does not have enough notes to play 165 rolls.
This organ was never at Griffith Park. This was purchased by Mr. Whitney for his amusement park in San Francisco CA. from the Artizan factory. My good friend owns this organ.
I know the man who owns the organ. I will keep his name a secret. I have personally heard the organ. It is anazing. Different than a Wurlitzer 165. It was purchased by Whitney's Playland for it's Looff merry go round, that is now in Downtown San Francisco. The Wurlitzer 165 that was at Playland, is now playing at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. The Playland merry go round had 6 band organs, all of them there at one point in time.
I would say this organ is Artizan's counterpart to the Wurlitzer 153. The only real difference (besides the voicing of the pipes, and the musical arrangements), is the extra bass and trombone notes, a couple more automatic registers, lack of swell shutters, and additional crash cymbal.
The Artizan D facade is based upon the facade of a Waldkirch-built organ, marketed by the Welte Co. in Germany. One of these organs exists on the Centreville Carousel in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
The Centreville carousel in Canada has a German organ that was sold as a Welte band organ by M. Welte and Sons (the orchestrion builders), even though I am pretty sure they did not actually build it. I am not sure who actually built it, and it was converted to Wurlitzer rolls years ago, further obscuring the parentage. Tim Trager knows more about it than I do.
It is true that Artizan essentially used the design of that organ facade for use on their newer model D.
@anglerfly First, please spell "association" properly. Second, as great as the National Carousel Association are about getting many things right, they aren't the world's leading experts on band organs, so take their band organ listings with a grain of salt. They're often correct, but they are also sometimes wrong.
The Artizan D scale is an expansion of the C scale, which in turn is an expansion of the 52-keyless North Tonawanda scale used by styles 188, 192, etc. All these ultimately derive from their respective barrel organ scales (models 86, 91, etc).
Very nice organ! I have heard OF the fabled Artizan D model for a while now, but this is the first time I've heard one! Very nice arranging! I would guess this is neither a B.A.B. nor a Wurlitzer arrangement (since both of them made rolls for the Artizan scale), but rather an original Artizan arrangement. It is very tastefully and musically done, and I am enjoying it!
One more thing I forgot to add- LOVE the crash cymbal! Sounds so much like a gong!
whoisthisguy724 2 months ago
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GermanStreetOrgan 3 months ago
That Artizan is very similar to the one on the carousel at Idlewild Park. Unfortunately, theirs has been gutted and most of the original pipes were replaced with those off a Wurlitzer 103 in order to convert it to Wurlitzer 125-scale rolls. BIG MISTAKE!!! If they were to make any modifications to it, it should have been converted to play 165-scale rolls (because of the crash cymbal) I would love to see Idlewild's "Wurlitzan D-103" get its original "guts" back someday...
whoisthisguy724 4 months ago
@whoisthisguy724 I think if the Idlewild Artizan D were converted to play Wurlitzer rolls using the original chassis, the 150 scale would be most logical, having the same notes in the trumpet and melody divisions. Two bass notes and two trombone notes would be unused, and one accompaniment note (I think) would have to be changed. However, the results would still be more musical than converting to either 125 or 165 rolls, both of which require accidentals not present in the D or 150 scales.
KawhackitaRag 4 months ago
@whoisthisguy724 do you know where the guts are today? Would it really be possible to put that organ back to original using the original parts? If the Artizan roll frames are gone, a set of duplex Artizan 61-keyless frames is available for sale from the gentleman who owns THIS complete original D (in the video), since they came off of a B.A.B.-converted Gavioli organ that he owned. (I think Artizan and B.A.B. roll frames are identical).
KawhackitaRag 4 months ago
@KawhackitaRag I am unsure of the whereabouts of the original guts but if I don't find them i'd definitely be interested in those Artizan frames!
whoisthisguy724 3 months ago
I JUST IDENTIFIED THE TUNE THIS ORGAN IS PLAYING: It is "Hearts of Promise Waltzes", composed by Carl Loveland, and published in 1915 by Vandersloot Music Co. of Williamsport, PA.
KawhackitaRag 10 months ago
@KawhackitaRag Vandersloot were one of the top publishers in the US at the time, in terms of getting their music onto recordings and music rolls, and having national sheet-music distribution. In these respects, they greatly resembled the publishing titans of New York City and Chicago. The works they published, by Harry J. Lincoln, Carl Loveland, Frank H. Losey, and others, thus got wide exposure.
You can view and download the sheet music for "Hearts of Promise" on the Maine Music Box site.
KawhackitaRag 10 months ago
I have heard this organ in person. The owner is a friend of mine. He has a Wurlitzer 153 band organ and had more in his collection. He sadly went through a nasty divorce and had to sell a lot of his collection. Back to the 153, he was kind enough to play a Wurlitzer 150 roll on it. It sounded very nice. Like it or not, Wurlitzer music rolls was the standard in this country. There is a video of another Artizan Model D organ on You Tube in the Nielson Collection.
koasterkav 1 year ago
My favorite band organ organ. Then again, relatives of mine owned it before it's current owners so I'm prejudiced.
wc1378 1 year ago
@wc1378 u own it?
anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly no. I wish I did. It was owned by George Whitney at Playland in San Francisco for many years. George was my great great uncle. The organ can been seen in an episode of "The Twilight Zone" TV series. The episode featured a very young Billy Mumy, long before he was Will Robinson on "Lost in Space." Unfortunately I don't know the title of the episode. I am so grateful for it's current owners. My relatives had no interest in keeping it.
wc1378 1 year ago
Please weed your organ :)
wurly164 1 year ago
WHERE is this?
anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly This organ is in a private home in the San Francisco Bay area
UnfortunateBystander 1 year ago
@UnfortunateBystander how did u get in?
anglerfly 1 year ago
@UnfortunateBystander IF its Privite How did you get to it?
anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly The owner graciously opened his collection for an MBSI Chapter Meeting
UnfortunateBystander 1 year ago
Big organ! also what kind of rolls? and the music is loud that the tree was moving. Wonderful song.
anglerfly 2 years ago
WHAT WHAT WHAT is this song called????????????
anglerfly 2 years ago
Sorry LOL
anglerfly 2 years ago
Idlewild park carousel has an organ like that. It doesn't sound like the wurlitzer 157 it sounds like a 103. where is the organ?
anglerfly 2 years ago
Yes, Idlewild has the facade of an Artizan Style D. The organ behind it is a Wurlitzer 103. Not sure where the Artizan organ went, if it was there, or maybe they only acquired the facade.
darvozz 2 years ago
My friend who owns the organ played a Wurlitzer 150 roll on it. It sounded OK, but this organ can play Wurlitzer 165 music. The BAB music which you hear is arrigend for larger scale organs.
koasterkav 2 years ago
I thought this organ still played its original roll scale... ?
darvozz 2 years ago
It does. When I saw my friend who owns the organ a few years ago, for fun he put a Wurlitzer 150 style roll on it to see how it would sound. It was pretty good. He still owns a couple of Wurlitzer 153's.
koasterkav 2 years ago
@koasterkav ontario beach organ was sent to the centerville carousel
anglerfly 1 year ago
Do you know where it is?
anglerfly 2 years ago
@darvozz This is not the original paint and doesnt look like it used to. the military artizan at Idlewld park looks like it used to. Idlewild park's aritzan ( well an artizan would sound better than a 103 ) Is somewhere else but I has the original drums, inside the drive machine ( you can see it ) Is a wurliTzer BIG 103 band organ!
anglerfly 1 year ago
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anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly The Artizan D from Ontario Beach, Rochester, New York, is now in the Neilson collection in Pennsylvania. Centreville in Toronto does have an Artizan D facade, but I'm not sure what the organ is behind it. It would play 165 rolls if it played at all.
darvozz 1 year ago
@darvozz It played wurliTzer 150 rolls and there is an organ NOT operating behind it.
anglerfly 1 year ago
@darvozz The organ in Centreville is not an Artizan D but a Welte model II concert organ. The experts aren't sure, but they think that Welte sold Gebruder Bruder or Wilhelm Bruder Sohne organs under their own name, and did not actually manufacture fairground organs themselves. It is possible the organ originally played Welte rolls, but this system is long gone, the organ having been converted to Wurlitzer 150 rolls long ago.
KawhackitaRag 1 year ago
@darvozz You are correct that the Centreville organ looks like an Artizan D though; I believe that Artizan copied this facade design, "stretching" it to fit their larger model D chassis. If an Artizan D were to be converted to Wurlitzer rolls (something I would not recommend), only the 150 rolls would fit the scale well. The D does not have enough notes to play 165 rolls.
KawhackitaRag 1 year ago
I have seen a picture of this organ at the previous Griffith Park Carousel.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
Really?
ChristainPatriot01 2 years ago
This organ was never at Griffith Park. This was purchased by Mr. Whitney for his amusement park in San Francisco CA. from the Artizan factory. My good friend owns this organ.
koasterkav 2 years ago
This reminds me of many afternoons at the Griffith park Carousel.
dacatholicbandorgan 2 years ago
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koasterkav 2 years ago
I know the man who owns the organ. I will keep his name a secret. I have personally heard the organ. It is anazing. Different than a Wurlitzer 165. It was purchased by Whitney's Playland for it's Looff merry go round, that is now in Downtown San Francisco. The Wurlitzer 165 that was at Playland, is now playing at the Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. The Playland merry go round had 6 band organs, all of them there at one point in time.
koasterkav 2 years ago
I would say this organ is Artizan's counterpart to the Wurlitzer 153. The only real difference (besides the voicing of the pipes, and the musical arrangements), is the extra bass and trombone notes, a couple more automatic registers, lack of swell shutters, and additional crash cymbal.
The Artizan D facade is based upon the facade of a Waldkirch-built organ, marketed by the Welte Co. in Germany. One of these organs exists on the Centreville Carousel in Toronto, Ontario, Canada.
KawhackitaRag 2 years ago
NO centervillae is a wurlITzer
anglerfly 2 years ago
The Centreville carousel in Canada has a German organ that was sold as a Welte band organ by M. Welte and Sons (the orchestrion builders), even though I am pretty sure they did not actually build it. I am not sure who actually built it, and it was converted to Wurlitzer rolls years ago, further obscuring the parentage. Tim Trager knows more about it than I do.
It is true that Artizan essentially used the design of that organ facade for use on their newer model D.
KawhackitaRag 2 years ago
Yes I think its true. I join COAA so I will ask tim trager.
anglerfly 2 years ago
@KawhackitaRag I've been there
anglerfly 1 year ago
@KawhackitaRag Do u know the name of the song?????? ITs my favorite ever : )
anglerfly 1 year ago
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anglerfly 1 year ago
@KawhackitaRag Vallyfair! was an artizan style C
anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly
I believe its a Ruth Artizan or Bruder... not sure though... I need to hear a style C to be sure.
Wurlitzer157 1 year ago
@Wurlitzer157 National carousel assoctiantion said it was an artizan C with a bigger facade. Big nelly paul eakins 61 key is an artizan C .
anglerfly 1 year ago
@anglerfly First, please spell "association" properly. Second, as great as the National Carousel Association are about getting many things right, they aren't the world's leading experts on band organs, so take their band organ listings with a grain of salt. They're often correct, but they are also sometimes wrong.
KawhackitaRag 1 year ago
@Wurlitzer157 IT is a C facade just a bigger version
anglerfly 1 year ago
The Artizan D scale is an expansion of the C scale, which in turn is an expansion of the 52-keyless North Tonawanda scale used by styles 188, 192, etc. All these ultimately derive from their respective barrel organ scales (models 86, 91, etc).
KawhackitaRag 2 years ago
I finally see this organ! I had a pic of this organ for SUCH a long time and finally get to see what it really was!
mariosupersluggers98 3 years ago
Very nice organ! I have heard OF the fabled Artizan D model for a while now, but this is the first time I've heard one! Very nice arranging! I would guess this is neither a B.A.B. nor a Wurlitzer arrangement (since both of them made rolls for the Artizan scale), but rather an original Artizan arrangement. It is very tastefully and musically done, and I am enjoying it!
KawhackitaRag 3 years ago