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  • I see many people commenting, "lack of control". What does that mean? How about saying his opponent lacked in keeping his hands up. If you throw a reverse punch, it should be applied correctly and not thrown half speed or softly. Any technique you learn should be applied the way it was designed to.

  • who are the two fighters in this comp.a quality point scored there.

  • i love karate shotokan :D

  • sure the distance was miss judge, BUT your kizame was really good and if it knocked him out it's because it was really precise and that's really good ! :) and seriously got knocked out like 10 times harder in my training cause I was going full speed at the other and he came full speed at me and I got knocked out and it was MY fault cause I wasnt protecting my head like he didnt protect his and it took me less than 1 sec to get up not 1h... so I say you should have won ^^ still nice kizami :)

  • I dont get it. is the small guy winning? he's the one who got knocked out. i think this is unfair fight. they should find someone their own size to fight with.

  • @johnmel1980 They can't just change the opponents all the time if one of them is really short or tall. Sometimes you opponent's taller, bigger, hits harder than you, has trained twice as long as you....etc. etc..Everybody knows that when they go there.

  • This art wasn't intended for sport.

    That said, he could have hit him even harder.

  • looks like open weight devision. one guy is a lot taller and bigger

  • @checkyerself it wasnt open, i was in the 5ft 5 and over section for 16 - 19 year old. I was only 16 at the time but im rather tall.

  • @GaoRenEUMGO Why don't you pick on someone your own size? Afraid of getting beaten in a fair match?

  • @farmerdwight In todays tournaments, you don't pick your opponents yourself...

  • Traditional Shotokan teaches EACH technique should be able to end a fight, not only first! Realistically you know it takes more than one strike, in most cases. Don't mistake Tournament sparing, with self-defense, or Street Fight, which Shotokan trains for. Guard: the two fore-mentioned injuries were both to the abdomen, one fatal. Watch video I posted carefully, there are strikes to the abdomen that drop opponents. In close, guard changes continuously. Person trumps style in most cases.

  • This is absolutely NOT Kyokushin, they allow no punches to the head! Those gloves look more like boxing gloves, not the mitts, or knuckle protectors often found in Shotokan. To this day I am vehemently opposed to the use of them. Sure there were more nicks, & stitches, but those mitts give people a sense they can increase force to the head. About all they do is protect your knuckles from nicks, or a tooth embedded in your knuckle. Besides, you don't wear gloves, or mitts on the street.

  • hansoku and mubobi actually... look closely

  • Was the knocked out one declared winner or it is just me ? Oo Because it is just like the judge declared him winner because of his arm at the very last Oo

  • @Sadoruro That is correct. I believe he was DQ'd due to excessive contact. His opponent was awarded the win. Referees judgement is sometimes referred to as hansoku.

  • @torro454 Then actually that is the one who got knocked out that win... I remember now why I don't like competition in Karate.

  • @Sadoruro Then don't watch.

  • @torro454 I don't watch normaly videos of point fighting karate, but here there was a pretty beautyful KO, even if it lack of defense, that is why I watched.

  • @Sadoruro All competitions come down to points. Rules in every combat sport, even professional fighters are subject to similar extensive regulations. This is not a spectators sport. Rules are set up to protect practitioners from what can maim or kill. Personally I don't find this a beautiful KO, they are unmatched in size, weight, and obviously skill. Not much to boast about. Try: /watch?v=3oQ5ROZC4Yc OR: /watch?v=o_37JOFfGLQ OR stick with MMA, etc, rules designed for entertainment.

  • @torro454 Hum, what I call "point fighting karate" is The very unique way to fight by shearching the Issatsu, then just one blow. I don't like this way of fighting, because 'cause of that it create the way of fighting with hand at the belly, complete side stance. The problem is that this way of fighting is that it doesn't match the reality. In a true fight between trained warrior, a sole punch to the head won't kill, and with your lack of defense with hand to belly, , you will be completely open

  • @torro454 for the incomming next. Plus, this way of fighting doesn't exist in ancient Karate, the one used to kill on battlefield. At this time they used more guards like Maeba. It was a complete creation of Japanese when they stoled karate from okinawa, because they transformed it to match their philosophy of Issatsu that came from Kendo. It it totaly shown in the first video, that is beautiful but illustre totaly what I was saying.

    That is not about Karate, it is about this way of fighting.

  • @Sadoruro Whatever. Don't confuse Competition Sparing, Dojo Sparing, and self-defense. I am not convinced the Japanese Stole Karate, but Shotokan has been an evolution, heavily influenced by Japanese Culture. I always encourage people to practice more than one art, and adapt them to fit their own strengths. The few Arts that are still used in warfare are adapted to their specific regions. Okinawan styles Funakocci combined no longer exist, and are not among them. Careful of stereotyping.

  • @torro454 When did I confused ? I always spoke about point fighting karate and the way to fight in. Don't make me appears in a wrong way.

    Yes, Karate was stole by the japanese from Okinawa. How be able to say other thing when you know that the Bushi where hunting martial arts practitioner on Okinawa, before take the style to japan and even renamed it from Okinawa-Te to Karate because it ears more Japanese.

    Yes, practice more arts is always good, it open your mind to other way of fighting.

  • @torro454 That is not totaly true. There are a lot of style used in modern warfare that are not specificaly adapt to their environment. Plus, of my knowledge, the only arts that are really adapt to their environment are the "jungle" martial arts, like Pencat Silat or Escrima, or stealth arts, like Ninjutsu.

    But that is not because it no longer exist that it prove to be inneficient, they are just lost ! Those arts where used in true battle of ancient time, of course they are still strong.

  • @Sadoruro Precicely. What is used in combat today is a combination of arts. Sparing side stance, and bopping up and down, are a bastardization of Shotokan. All arts have their weaknesses. Master Funakocci brought his combination of Karate to Japan. That is the origin of Shotokan. I know of 1 person that died, and another that nearly died from injuries in tournaments. Shotokan can be lethal. I don't bash other Arts. If you want to continue this discussion, PM me due to the limited space here.

  • @torro454 I didn't say that this of fighting in shotokan can't be lethal, that is the contrary, they put everything on attack to take the first blow, then surely this one is devastating. What I sayed is that for a warrior trained in defense, that way to fight is easily counterable. Take a guard like Maeba no Kamae, and the other one won't be able at all to hit you in the face. And after his try, due to his hand down, it will be an highway to his face for your uped fist.

  • There's no control at all. This is not Shotokan Karate but Kyokushin

  • @sdyoung2008 in kyokushin it is not allowed to hit your opponent in the face by fist

  • @sdyoung2008 I agree he has no control, however the style is Shotokan from what I can see. I also am aware that Kyokushin doesn't allow contact to the head either for obvious reasons. Although he should have more control. OSS

  • a big guy knocked down a small guy

  • is it customary to kneel after u knock a man out?

  • @foldedintobeauty3 yes its a sign of respect for your oponent, in the same way that you bow to him

  • hansoku!

  • @bergamot18 good call

  • I thought it was a good point .Billy higgins comps, have always been open comps and since the introduction of the hand mitts has become a bit lame.The kugb has made a fortune selling these mitts to fighters, and a lot of the the students think that they can hit there opponent harder with them on.Students showed alot more control when they didnt have these stupid mitts on,ok there used to be a few more cuts ,but its fighting for gods sake.great punch and good score

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  • FIghter showed good control and respect for his opponet

  • One strike one kill. Love it :) osu

  • i do shotokan but we are traditional we dont go to competitons, and all the videos on youtube the people seem to be jumping every where and not using their hips in any technique

  • Shotokan matches allow head punches? Or was it against rule?

  • @Mapanda punches in the head/face are allowed in shotokan competition.

  • @anthrax1980 Thank you for your kind reply. Osu.

  • disturbing lack of control for a black belt

  • amazing kizami zuki

  • @reybatistafan thanks alot.

  • @reybatistafan

    how exactly was that amazing when it is obviously a lack of control - you have one person seemingly adhereing to he rules and one not - how is that amazing?

  • is that a humble way to celebrate winning or the guy is just tired?? coz I like it!!

  • @1995612 If you mean turning and kneeling, it's standard in Japanese martial arts whenever your opponent bleeds or is knocked out. It's a courtesy thing.

  • @1995612 it is the rule in Shotokan.If you hit your oponent and he goes down, you gotta go back to your starting line and kneel down into "seiza" with your back turned to the oponent, and wait till refferee calls you.

  • i thought shotokan did bare hands?

    

  • @SGTdoodoo At a competition they're told to wear protectors for their hands.

    @Matamune87 This is a martial art... the difference to others is that the fighter's health is top priority here and that's, what I like about Karate. It's enough to point, that a punch could have knocked the enemy out. So no serious damage can be dealt to an enemy.

    But still I wonder wether he got a warning for that last punch... it was controlled, but maybe too hard...

  • A martial art where you lose if you knock out your opponent is NOT a martial art! Martial Art is the Art of Fighting and to DEFEAT YOUR OPPONENT/ENEMY, not a stupid game of touch.

  • same goes for a KO, cool dudes dont look at explosions, they just walk away

  • Where was this competition?

  • @ilovekpop4 Atherton, England.

  • @GaoRenEUMGO Oh okay, awesome. I can't wait to get older, i hope i'll compete one day one a competition like this. :)

  • in kumite no kamei, the hand position of shotokan, you do protect your face, just some fighters for ome reason lower their hands, the way i was taught, was your lead hand is at jodan or face level and the reverse hand is at chudan or the solar plexus. The hand position is effective it keeps the hands up and the opponent at a distance.

  • It seems you're more vulnerable to injury when you do not protect your face. I need to re-watch all the Lyoto Machida fights.

  • Good judge..

  • this is the problem in some tournaments you have to keep control :s dunno why its a fight each must show his best

    they should do control for below 18 and without control for above 18

    i feel when i fight with control i can't give all i have got

  • OSS!

  • Low guard is low. OH LOOK, FACE PUNCHED. Why? Low guard.

  • 0:33 check out the chick with the big boobz!

  • He doesn't know how to controll his power and his emotion.

    But He is working on it。押忍

  • very good move! oss!

  • what the Hell?.....what OSS?....its OSU my friend!

  • @MrWhtDHck Doesn't matter.

  • @MrWhtDHck with u dont know the difference between oss and ossu shut the fuck up!

  • @MrWhtDHck if u dont know the difference between oss and ossu shut the fuck up!

  • Sportsmanship displayed here is what makes Shotokan Karate special.

  • I go to an eclectic karate school in massachussets. I belive it is a mix of japanese jujitsu, shotokan karate, and american kenpo.

    The various moves and training we do are quite fun.

  • Beautiful punch. Too bad Shotokan tournaments don't have decent rulesets to go with their good technique.

  • happens all the time. proves Karate can just be effective.

  • @shotojojo1986 What it means is that the rules are poor - the level of contact is a big 'grey area'. If both fighters go in expecting to get hit there is less likely to be knock-outs or injuries. Any excessive contact or accidental knock-out should be an immediate disqualification - if not why bother having rules to start with.

    Non/light contact is a ridiculous method of competition.

  • If you train to pull punches, you will pull punches when the real thing happens, no? I think while a black belt should have the control to not knock somebody out, they should allow it in competition because it is a martial art more than a sport and it is important to train for real life practicality.

  • perfeito!!!!!

  • the downfall of shotokan...switch to kyokushin and they encourage knockouts

  • @xdivineknightx but no jodan punches, don't get me wrong i love both styles.

  • The practitioner who got hit would most likely not get hit if this were not a controlled game of tag. There have been many times in Jiyu Kumite where I have gone in with a good controlled technique and scored only to be blasted in the face afterward. If I had not used control on my technique the opponent would not have been standing there to hit me with bad control...This is why I do not like Jiyu Kumite...It gives an opponent like this person a false sense of victory.

  • @bslammer Hi... you seem to be skilled .... I'd like to start shotokan karate... this is the best, isn't it?

  • @arcusish i know this wasnt directed to me but i'd just like to say that there is no such thing as a 'best' in terms of martial arts styles and specifically karate. they all have their advantages and disadvantages. when you say 'best', i would say the only thing that relates to it being this would be that it is the most traditional style of karate, so most of the techniques and their applications are nearly at their most brutal and not filtered down to just be practised for the sake of it.

  • @arcusish there is allot of martial arts out there. But I would recomend shotokan, its the most practical and very lethal if aplied correctly. I do shotokan myself and I looove it.

  • Jiyu Kumite isn't point sparring, it's continuous free-sparring.

  • this is the only rule that i disagree of Tradicional Karate Championships, a perfect punch and the guy losts... this discourages the practitioner because he gets frustrated with this kind of thing, hes trained a lot to do this, dont make sense disqualifies him.

    to me, this kind of penalty should only be given when the opponent are clearly just wanted to hurts hes opponent, given the technique away.

  • A true black belt always maintain control. Oss.

  • @GABRIELJACMEL Oss, but defend yourself at all times. Plenty of blame to go around.

  • @GABRIELJACMEL Osu*

  • @GABRIELJACMEL It was perfectly well controlled. The guy is alive and got back up for more. Should have been ippon.

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  • I don't understand... knocking someone out gets you DQ'd?

  • @snowstorm9091moua excessive contact.

  • @GaoRenEUMGO

    Still it was a great Oi-zuki and shows the power of Shotokan waza. yea u were D-Q but it shows why control is a must. I hit a thug in a parking lot with with Oi-zuki and got similar a result.

  • Nice solid punch. He didn't slip it or block it and suffered the consequences. Unfortunetely whenever competition is involved rules can change the outcome of a confrontation. In this case the person who ended up on the ground ko'ed became the victor. However, even with its limitations competitions and tournements can be effective complimentary methods of training and testing ones self. Good job.

  • you don´t have control on your punch, karate fight not full contact

  • DQ lack of control

  • this is why i gave up shukokai karate i was getting told to watch my control but in training you train for power and knockouts

  • OMG Jamie :O

    wfp

  • Very good punch considering it was front-hand, I'd have given you a point + win.

  • seisa!! xD

  • man congratulations you win the fight! nice kisame tsuki

  • Great!! You've showed nice quickness!!! XD

  • nice!

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