what a dumbass ass seriously its all america its just north south central america so were do they come saying theyre the only america i mean this land all used to be mexican land right but they are so closed minded they cant accept were all american
fuck the minuteklan i wish i knew about this when it happened i would have went to counter protest those racist assholes i live in oakland but i go to san rafael all the time they want to make the canal a police state .........
america is North America, central America, south America, why white people thinks they are superior?, ok, keep thinking that, be an ignorant, the world is bigger that you think, just whait for the surpruises, selfish people, god bless the world, and the world is not only for white people, racis is ignorance, we are all humans and the people who thinks different is because are the real aliens
What a hypocritical bigot. This poster is attacking whites for being racists but then he throws the offensive "redneck" word out there. You just lost any shred of credibility you might have had.
Immigartion is a global issue and it's nothing new. ICE is wrong separating families. Why are only latinos being attacked? Lations- Hispanics- Spanish speaking people have been coming unwelcomed for a long time legal or not legal- Most of the states have Spanish names did anyone notice? America needs to wake up to put a stop to this oppresion and find a way to solve this issue. God bless you all and your families.
actually, in the state of Oaxaca alone there are 30 different dialects still spoken. In Yucatan over 1 million people still speak Yucatec Mayan...and we can't help it if the Spanish tried to eradicate all aspects of indigenous culture.
chilam, are Oaxaca and Yucatan southern state that I have read about ? I have read somewhere the mexican goverment is oppressing some of your people. Are they doing that too because the US Goverment support it ?
I don't know were you're getting your crap, but Mexicans don't talk about notions of "pure blood". Mexicans are meztizos, a mix of indigenous and Spanish so the notion of pure blood would be impossible for Mexicans. That being said most would rather identyfy with their indgenous heritage than the europeans who came to conquer subjugate and rape.
"It's also a fact that illegal mexicans/hispanics account for the VAST majority of illegal alien crime in this country. "
that crime is not as much as u would like people to believe,and of course they would if they're the VAST majority of "illegals" anyway. That being said not every criminal is an "illegal" and not every undocumented person is a violent criminal.
Every what you like to call "Undocumented" is a lawbreaker". These people are here ILLEGALLY!!!!They do illegal things that criminals do like say have false identification. That is a jail able offense and a felony. There is no justification for breaking laws.
honestly you have not right to say shit when US citizens go to other countries and break all the laws there, so stop being a dumb ass. If your president can start wars in other countires with no permition, mother fucker you have no right to say anything to defend this country that was builded and still is being build by Imigrants. And dont fucking tell me you have never broken the law you lier. plus how your going to try and stop a movement that is more than 400 years old,
how could I not assume you're an asshole when you have the picture of a beheaded economic refu=gee and vicious stereotyped cartoons of brown people akin to the anti- immigration cartoons depicting Irish and CHinese immigrants from 100 years ago?
Nice tactic. U changed the cartoon on your site. That PROVES that u knew that other one was disrespectful, cruel, inhuman and RACIST. If u had balls u'd tell everyone were u got it. (but u won't cuz it was probably a hate site with links to neo nazi web sites)
This is not about race. Illegal immigration is a problem in this great country of ours. If you are white, brown, tan, yellow ,purple and you are illegal get the Hell out!! Is that really hard to understand? You want to be an American do it LEGALLY!!!!Quit pulling out the race card and showing your ignorance. Go Minutemen!!!!! Oh and those that hire Illegals should be fined or jailed. Perhaps even both.
the immigration system is so broken and f**ing complicated (and expensive!) that people have no choice but come here undocumented. it's not their fault. American corporations WANT the cheap labor. You want to stop that? Give them documentation so they can't violate their rights, exploit them, abuse them etc. Stop with the blame the victim mentality. These are economic refugees created by NAFTA CAFTA and all those other free trade agreements
did i say that? the problem with you ignorant racis xenophobes is you see everything in black and white. Never forget everything Hitler did was "legal".
what if and what if. we all wore expensive clothing and our skin tone was white. and we spoke a different language. then then then then we wouldn't have this problem. and thats a fact.....
"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."-Martin Luther King jr.
Not should be. I said MUST be Respected. And a law that criminalizes and some people equalizes a murderer to a decent immigrant? Speak of the numen of your laws!
Cheers to your ownage. LOL. The only thing they have(minute, saveoustate et caetara) is discrimination, irrational hate, fear and a tumultous false sofisms
Please explain how the Minutmen promoted hate,discrimination fear etc? Let's face it illegals do not have the Constitutional rights we LEGAL American citizens enjoy. Become Citizens the proper way and you to will be supported by our Constitution. The Minutemen have a right to protest whether you agree with their agenda or not. This is America baby! Love it or leave it.
all i know is that is what my polticial science teacher said. i'd doubt a college professor who teaches u.s govt. would be wrong about something like that.
Blessings and my gratitude to those anglo men supporting immigration -legal or illegal- they do know several things: migration has always been in the human nature, like it or not, and that every human being must be RESPECTED.
In order to get respect you must give it. You cannot come to ones country and totally disrespects one's law's,flag,culture and workforce and expect respect in return. It doesn't work that way. You want respect do the right thing and become Americans legally. Fact is most of the illegals do not want to be Americans. They come come here for the money than leave when they retire.
how woul;d u know that? Rub shoulders with many economic refugees? hang out with them? Talk to them about their hopes, fear,s etc. Probably not. YOu just assume all that from the right wing sites were u get your 'ffacts". You're just another redneck spouting "they took our jerbs!".
My great Grandparents came to this country and they did it the right way. Is that enough shoulder rubbing for you? Oh and they were LEGAL! They learned the language and were proud to be Americans. They didn't high tail it back to their home country for retirement either.
Native Mexicans have come and gone thru this land and back way before the europeans came here and took over with lies,and guns, something your govermnet keep using untill this day.
While the Spaniards came to Mexico in 1519 and stole it from the Aztecs. Your point is what? Maybe the point is the strong always overtakes the weak. I mean it worked in Mexico. Oh and the Mexicans never inhabited the midwest or the south but they are here today by the millions today. Face it if America never existed it would have never been developed as it is today. It would be just like Mexico.
Well Mexico might be in bad shape thanx to corruption doesnt make it less than the US. Mexico is no 3 world country like your ignorant fuck seams to think dont complain about seeing illigal or illegal Latin americans. British were in Inida for 400 years yet you still see Hindus there. Same shit I can say about south africa. US is not even 200 years old how do you expect that a continent full of spanish speaking people dont spread on our own fucking continet.
"To me, ALL illegals look alike" yeah. because they're stereotyped as brown. (I bet if you saw an Irish guy you would NEVER guess that he's one of the half million ondocumented Irish living in the U.S) and i'm just using the racial slurs that you probably utter in your day to day talk.
Stereotyped? The numbers don't lie although you do. Of course there are illegals from all races but we all know the majority of illegals come from south of the border. Prove me wrong ding bat.
didn't say that. but u guys are the ones typecasting all "illegals" as "mexicans." Fact is we got economic refugees from all over. Wherever our free trade policies reach poverty is a result and people are forced to come here to be exploited by the same corporations that fucked up their country in the first place.
and if you actually read history books you would know most of US today was Mexico, also from the 1920s to thr 1950s US open their borders to let Mexicans, Chinesse I talians, Irish and Japanese workers to build the railroad, buildings, houses and mines that made this country as rich as it is now. So honestly shut up you only live in the lies your shity goverment tells you and your shity boring tv does too. America is lie your not free.
The western part of the US was part what is now Mexico. Lots of countries at one point were part of other countries till someone stronger came and took it over. At one point Greece was ruled by Turks. There is no justification for our immigration laws to be broken and ignored. Oh and learn to spell and get your information correct instead of spouting hate kid.
hahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhaah the goverment is scared of us for one reason we are a huge part of this country, so I fucking dare you to try something bithc Iligala or not Illigal hispanics will not take any of your bullshit sitting down.
Mexico's corruption has been colluded and supported by the United States govt. It is our foreign and economic policies that makes Mexico "suck." But that's contradictory. If Mexico "sucks" so much why do so many American college kids go to Cabo and Mazatlan and Cancun to get drunk at Senor Frogs and yell "GIRLS GONE WILD??"
the southwest has never escaped Mexican influence. (Cowboy culture originates from mexico) And the border was open until the mid twentieth century. and immigration laws are hopelessly complicated and expensive. and if someone's starving they'll do anything to survive. It's not their fault their govts follow economic policies that benefit the top 10% richest people in the world
Maybe they should do something to change their Government instead of running away like cowards. Your remarks pertaining to or referring to people as rednecks and racist is telling me you are the racist here. These people are there to protect their country. I can imagine the Mexicans wouldn't want over 11,000,000 Americans moving into their country overcrowding their schools, hospitals, and highways while ignoring your culture and disrespecting your flag.
look up Oaxaca and Chiapas and you'll see what happens when they try to stand up to their govt. They're not cowards. And calling you and ignorant redneck does not make me racist. i know plenty of white people i get along with. and not all 11 million economic refugees are from mexico
INS pre Department of Homeland security, actually...and if the immigration system wasn't so fucked up and complicated and stuffed with a huge backlog, if it was streamlined, 9/11 might not have happenned. That being said, building a wall to keep out economic refugees would not have made a difference. Or do all brown epople look alike to u so better keep out the beaners AND the towel-heads?
Genius! Illegal is illegal. How did I miss that? But you've missed something. "No correlation between them..." What the hell? No correlation between you waiting for them to come here, and my idea of preventing them from coming here? Are you implying that you wanted them to come here and my idea of preventing them was invalid? So you want them here so you can call them illegal and kick them out. Oh, I got it. You're a genius! I'm sorry for even suggesting I ruin your Minutemen fun. Forgive me.
End of conversation? I think not. The subject is immigration. Laws are implemented at the discretion of the enforcers. You have noticed?
You wait for them to come here (a very lazy defensive stance)and I want to address the issue of immigration before they come (a very pro-active stance). The conversation continues, unless you have nothing to add and then I will move on to the next fallacy thrown up about the issue of immigration.
If we don't ruin their economies, send in troops to overthrow democratically elected leaders and pass NAFTA CAFTA and GATT agreements they wouldn't be flooding our borders, but you don't grasp that concept so you'd rather spend my money building fences and deporting 15 million people instead of stopping our piss poor leaders from implementing their failed foreign policies that not only ruin their economies but devastate our middle class' ability to maintain decent wages. How un-American.
You want to address immigration after they are already here. I want to address it before they get here. Is that concept hard for you to understand? Cause and effect, you're familiar with that concept? Let's prevent them from coming here in the first place, let's stop ruining their countries through covert operations, death squads and economic destruction. Are you proud your tax dollars subsidizes US Giant Agro corn growers that flood the Mexican market with cheap corn? Guess who comes then?
Oh, you get to ask questions and I don't? I answered your question. Are you afraid to answer mine? Come on, don't be so small. At least attempt a response. Are you saying there is no correlation between the two? Come on, give me an answer. As a matter of fact we have legally allowed many political refugees to enter from south of the border because of our digressions and covert operations. Don't cut and run, be a man and respond to my questions. Where do you stand?
It's not about racism,it's about defending America from all threats forein and domestic,if Mexicans cn go across the border then terrorist cells can come over just as easy.Why are people who want to stand up for America Racists?
all the terrorists from 9/11 came legaly...they all had VISAS. It was an intelligence problem that let 9/11 happen, not an immigration problem. moreover, why is there not more being done to enforce the seaboards and the canadian border? Is it cuz u think that they can blend in with Mexicans easy (not really.but i guess all brown people look alike to you)
2. Not support Un-American values like racism, scapegoating, and bullying the less fortunate.
3. Need to police their "members" if they want to claim they are not racists. (95% of minute men comments are racist, the other 5% are denying they're racists)
"What is so rasist (sic) about upholding the federal laws of the USA?" Absolutely nothing! It is when a group attracts racists members and then allows them to portend that they are representing, which in many cases they are, the Minutemen. When Minutemen group whole ethnicities into one "they" and then throw insults at the whole "they" group that is racist. What about international laws, should we uphold them as well? If so should our CIA and Military stop covert operations south of the border?
We have had our National Guard troops on the border of Mexico for a while now.You are missing the point!WE DON'T WANT ANY ILLEGAL,NOT JUST MEXICANS!Did you forget about the Chinese or the Canadians?
Do you support the School of the Americas training dictators and death squads? Do you support 50 years of covert government interference in Central and South America? Do you support the military being the private body guards for our corporations? What about our economic hit-men sent to disrupt sovereign countries economies? Are those your values? Remember that nationalism is what fueled Nazism and the fascist state of Italy in WWII. Now we struggle with the same sickness here.
If I know your group's ideology and agree then yes we are associated. I can always return the check if I don't want to be associated with you. Home much did you plan on sending me? I'll send you the address! No, I'm not hat easy!
borderaven, you really got to look at the situation from the outside. If your message is attracting skinheads, nazis, racists and bigots you got to have the sense to examine the message your sending out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but come on. If you are not a racist organization then you and your group need to take a close look at your message and figure out why it is attracting this scum segment of society.
Have you considered the common attraction is not about race, but about the activity of a race, who are violating the laws of the USA? Now, I may not stand with the KKK or similar groups today, but when a war with Mexico breaks out, I won't be asking who is shooting at my enemy.
No, you can't slip out of this one. You said it, "the activity of a race." Like, "all Jews are cheap." "Irish are drunks" "Mexicans are illegals" just saying that shows you are a racist. Accept who you are.
If attracting racists to an organization then...you have a racist organization. They are coming for the racial aspect, which is their shtick their game, you are just supplying the field on which to play. It is quite simple logic. If you don't want to attract racists, change the message.
No, they are not comming for the racist aspect, they come for the defense of the USA. If a mob descended on your house, would you care who stood to defend it?
I got to whip-out the "Bullshit" card on that one. They come from the defense of "White Power" plain and simple. You are just supplying them a stage on which to perform.
And if you are fine with supplying "White Supremacists" with a stage to perform on, then you are one and the same. You are an Enabler and Supporter of RACISM. It is really that simple. No heavy calculations involved!
Umm, wrong sports fan, I don't provide "White Supremacists" with a stage to perform on. If they show up at a MM/SOS rally and we catch them, we tell them to leave or at least go to a separate spot and stand separately from us. This is not to support or agree with them, but to respect civil rights.
"The fossil record fixes human origins in Africa, but little is known about the great journey that took Homo sapiens to the far reaches of the Earth. How did we, each of us, end up where we are? Why do we appear in such a wide array of different colors and features?"
"Different populations carry distinct markers. Following them through the generations reveals a genetic tree on which today's many diverse branches may be followed ever backward to their common African root.
BAck in 2005, SOS/MM was new to the streets and did not know who was in there crowds, today is much different, as we are constantly on alert to visitors to rallies.
How do you get the idea Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutman Project, has ties to the National Alliance? Do you have the hard evidence or have you heard it somewhere?
Ask Gilchrist. A good test for his honesty and intent meter! Hopefully he won't have as bad behavior and memory as AG Gonzales. Have him open his books if his intentions are so pure.
Economic hitmen and corporations need to be stopped at the border. They decimate the economies of Mexico and Central America. We don't have an immigration problem, we have a refugee problem. These people are fleeing NAFTA's unintended outcomes, and we, as Americans, are responsible for that. As Americans we need to take ownership of our governments actions and act accordingly to reverse draconian economic bullying which would reverse the trend of refugees fleeing their countries to survive.
Minutemen propagandists call the left and liberals communists, yet claim that many of their members are retired police and firemen, all products of the socialist side of America. If they complain about a political system, make sure they are not beneficiaries of the system. Maybe all their members should take an oath not to receive any federal, state or county benefits, social security or Medicare. How many of Minutemen members would agree to abandon those socialist benefits? Duh!
Well, I can claim not to be a racist, but you must prove it, to be valid. When did I recruit a neo-Nazi into "my group"? Tell me who they are, or you lose credibility--as if.
You may not be a racist, but the minutemen have affiliations with white supremacists groups and attracts the same to their meetings and rallies. Like racism today is well concealed so are the newly named KKKs.
Controlling the content of the membership of the Minutemen is like controlling the congregation of a church. Throughout my activities and participation in the MM/SOS, I have never been invited to any lynchings or crossburnings. I have no proof anyone is involved wtih KKK, etc., and they would not last long if they were exposed. Point them out, show proof, that's all I ask. If labeling the SOS/MM as KKK, is the best you got, then you ain't got nothing.
Listen this time. Minutemen attract through their rhetoric racist people, that you cannot deny, just do a simple google search. Nazi flags, skin heads and the like all flock to your group's antics. If you don't want them associated with your group then change the sales pitch and the hate speech, its that simple pilgram.
What are you talking about? When did this happen? Don't ask me to prove your point. If youa re talking about the SOS rally in Laguna Canyon, back in 2005, let me know, because that was an infiltration. They were not invited and have since learned to not show up at MM/SOS events.
I understand that, but the point is, the way you deliver your message is hateful and mean-spirited, which attracts these hate groups. SOS/MM alienates all but a small minority of people, mostly evangelical/born again Christians, which closes the door to debate and finding common ground. You guys don't like NAFTA, neither do we. We agree, laws need to be enforced, but we want international and moral laws enforced as well.
Everyone is born with human rights, but Americans enjoy Consitutional protection of those rights. Come to the USA legally, obey the laws, and apply for citizenship,and you can enjoy the same protections. I call illegal aliens that because I don't intend it as a compliment. International borders are governed by two governments.
Your illegal alien is my economic refugee. It is not a black and white issue. We cannot have this debate without discussing US foreign policies, the military, subsidized farm products (your tax dollars) that destroy their economies. We already agree that laws need to be enforced, but we also need to take responsibilities for the reckless behavior of our corporations and trade policies. There is also a morality we need to consider, and if you are a true Christian then you understand this concept.
Your economic refugee can go home and plant beans and corn, raise dogs, and pigs, and run for mayor. The USA is not experiencing a gold rush. The sight of illegals on local streets is symptomatic, of failure to follow the laws. It is not my problem they break the laws, they can't become citizens. Change the laws and the corporations go away. Drive the labor from the farms, and the bank auctions the farm to developers, who build houses. You cannot eat a house. We import more food from offshore.
They are, but they are planting and sowing here, and we already know the quality of food from offshore, plus why ship food 1000s of mile when we can grow it. Your argument is agreeing with the point I'm making. The domino affect of US foreign policy is the cause of our current refugee problem. We are getting closer with some common ground.
I see what the problem its. You can't handle the truth. BTW -- I lived with a Filipina for 2-years. She worked as a model for Barbizon. Besides doing runway and location modeling, she was an instructor in Hawaiian dancing.
I served from September 1, 1972, to August 31, 1992. I wae an Aviation Electrician's mate, and retired at the rank of E6. Oh, and best of all the military gives you 30-days vacation a year, so I got to take 600 days vacation. I really loved Japan and Thailand. Dude they have the most beautiful women.
LOL, I was pushing 203, when I enlisted in the US Navy. At one time I was down to 159. But, returning to SOCAL, it steadily climbed. I did serve 20 years though, retiring at age 38.
All human DNA originated from the Central Valley of Africa. From there it migrated, split off, rejoined, wandered, stalled, and extended humanity to the far reaches of the lands, on Earth. Get a DNA kit from National Geographic Genographic program.
It`s LEGALIST, And we are home, you are not check your`re history.....it is now the year 2007 for your information...you built MEXICO CITY, WE BUILT NEW YORK CITY. You want to go back to 1843??? When we bought that part of the country???? Get ready for the next MEXICAN/AMERICAN WAR. Again IT`S LEGALISTS!!!!
Nobody's getting deported stfu we're still here
MrChapo1986 2 weeks ago
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aaronamccoy 1 year ago
FUCK ALL THE BEANERS IN MARIN, GET OUT!
cobbfilms22 1 year ago
PIECE OF SHITS U ALL JEALEUS
TheCHICANO1979 2 years ago
what a dumbass ass seriously its all america its just north south central america so were do they come saying theyre the only america i mean this land all used to be mexican land right but they are so closed minded they cant accept were all american
bashcabetic 2 years ago
my school is so close from there hahah
jatetugu 2 years ago
fuck the minuteklan i wish i knew about this when it happened i would have went to counter protest those racist assholes i live in oakland but i go to san rafael all the time they want to make the canal a police state .........
bago510 3 years ago
america is North America, central America, south America, why white people thinks they are superior?, ok, keep thinking that, be an ignorant, the world is bigger that you think, just whait for the surpruises, selfish people, god bless the world, and the world is not only for white people, racis is ignorance, we are all humans and the people who thinks different is because are the real aliens
Santiaagojose 3 years ago
What a hypocritical bigot. This poster is attacking whites for being racists but then he throws the offensive "redneck" word out there. You just lost any shred of credibility you might have had.
Pendragon1717 3 years ago
Immigartion is a global issue and it's nothing new. ICE is wrong separating families. Why are only latinos being attacked? Lations- Hispanics- Spanish speaking people have been coming unwelcomed for a long time legal or not legal- Most of the states have Spanish names did anyone notice? America needs to wake up to put a stop to this oppresion and find a way to solve this issue. God bless you all and your families.
mannydeuce1 3 years ago
Exactly what "oppression" is it to which you refer?
paulbunions 3 years ago
fuckin crackers ! well whites will be a minority in america in about 30 years and that brings a big smile to my face.
kasdri 4 years ago
actually, in the state of Oaxaca alone there are 30 different dialects still spoken. In Yucatan over 1 million people still speak Yucatec Mayan...and we can't help it if the Spanish tried to eradicate all aspects of indigenous culture.
chilam8668 4 years ago
chilam, are Oaxaca and Yucatan southern state that I have read about ? I have read somewhere the mexican goverment is oppressing some of your people. Are they doing that too because the US Goverment support it ?
Why are mexico's immigration law so tough ?
To keep the rest of south america out ?
Aren' they your people too ?
thecoldhardtruth 4 years ago 2
please do tell what pure mexican blood is made of.
Lets talk about the great La Crapa, I mean La Raza.
I hate to tell you about your pure Mexican race,
someone has pissed in your gene pool,
but I will admit, that the landscape around the pool, looks great !
thecoldhardtruth 4 years ago
I don't know were you're getting your crap, but Mexicans don't talk about notions of "pure blood". Mexicans are meztizos, a mix of indigenous and Spanish so the notion of pure blood would be impossible for Mexicans. That being said most would rather identyfy with their indgenous heritage than the europeans who came to conquer subjugate and rape.
chilam8668 4 years ago
Great people. This is the idealogy that must be taught, not war.
Isaac707 4 years ago
How does war have anything to do with immigration?
Shanediver 4 years ago
....ask the surrounding countries around Iraq.
Isaac707 4 years ago
"It's also a fact that illegal mexicans/hispanics account for the VAST majority of illegal alien crime in this country. "
that crime is not as much as u would like people to believe,and of course they would if they're the VAST majority of "illegals" anyway. That being said not every criminal is an "illegal" and not every undocumented person is a violent criminal.
chilam8668 4 years ago
Every what you like to call "Undocumented" is a lawbreaker". These people are here ILLEGALLY!!!!They do illegal things that criminals do like say have false identification. That is a jail able offense and a felony. There is no justification for breaking laws.
MikeHF 4 years ago
honestly you have not right to say shit when US citizens go to other countries and break all the laws there, so stop being a dumb ass. If your president can start wars in other countires with no permition, mother fucker you have no right to say anything to defend this country that was builded and still is being build by Imigrants. And dont fucking tell me you have never broken the law you lier. plus how your going to try and stop a movement that is more than 400 years old,
gallomex13 4 years ago
how could I not assume you're an asshole when you have the picture of a beheaded economic refu=gee and vicious stereotyped cartoons of brown people akin to the anti- immigration cartoons depicting Irish and CHinese immigrants from 100 years ago?
chilam8668 4 years ago
but you'd never assume the irish guy was illegal would you?
chilam8668 4 years ago
Nice tactic. U changed the cartoon on your site. That PROVES that u knew that other one was disrespectful, cruel, inhuman and RACIST. If u had balls u'd tell everyone were u got it. (but u won't cuz it was probably a hate site with links to neo nazi web sites)
chilam8668 4 years ago
This is not about race. Illegal immigration is a problem in this great country of ours. If you are white, brown, tan, yellow ,purple and you are illegal get the Hell out!! Is that really hard to understand? You want to be an American do it LEGALLY!!!!Quit pulling out the race card and showing your ignorance. Go Minutemen!!!!! Oh and those that hire Illegals should be fined or jailed. Perhaps even both.
MikeHF 4 years ago
the immigration system is so broken and f**ing complicated (and expensive!) that people have no choice but come here undocumented. it's not their fault. American corporations WANT the cheap labor. You want to stop that? Give them documentation so they can't violate their rights, exploit them, abuse them etc. Stop with the blame the victim mentality. These are economic refugees created by NAFTA CAFTA and all those other free trade agreements
chilam8668 4 years ago
did i say that? the problem with you ignorant racis xenophobes is you see everything in black and white. Never forget everything Hitler did was "legal".
chilam8668 4 years ago
what if and what if. we all wore expensive clothing and our skin tone was white. and we spoke a different language. then then then then we wouldn't have this problem. and thats a fact.....
foundoutthat 4 years ago
"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."-Martin Luther King jr.
chilam8668 4 years ago
and you're little cartoon on your homepage is REAl respectful. if a law is unjust and stupid (like slavery once was.) it shouldn't be respected
chilam8668 4 years ago
Not should be. I said MUST be Respected. And a law that criminalizes and some people equalizes a murderer to a decent immigrant? Speak of the numen of your laws!
sergiodegante 4 years ago
Cheers to your ownage. LOL. The only thing they have(minute, saveoustate et caetara) is discrimination, irrational hate, fear and a tumultous false sofisms
sergiodegante 4 years ago
Please explain how the Minutmen promoted hate,discrimination fear etc? Let's face it illegals do not have the Constitutional rights we LEGAL American citizens enjoy. Become Citizens the proper way and you to will be supported by our Constitution. The Minutemen have a right to protest whether you agree with their agenda or not. This is America baby! Love it or leave it.
MikeHF 4 years ago
actually the rights of the constitution extend (or are supposed to ) to anyone on U.S soil
chilam8668 4 years ago
Really? Quote it than.
MikeHF 4 years ago
all i know is that is what my polticial science teacher said. i'd doubt a college professor who teaches u.s govt. would be wrong about something like that.
chilam8668 4 years ago
Quote it than. You believe everything somebody tells you?
MikeHF 4 years ago
Blessings and my gratitude to those anglo men supporting immigration -legal or illegal- they do know several things: migration has always been in the human nature, like it or not, and that every human being must be RESPECTED.
sergiodegante 4 years ago
In order to get respect you must give it. You cannot come to ones country and totally disrespects one's law's,flag,culture and workforce and expect respect in return. It doesn't work that way. You want respect do the right thing and become Americans legally. Fact is most of the illegals do not want to be Americans. They come come here for the money than leave when they retire.
MikeHF 4 years ago
how woul;d u know that? Rub shoulders with many economic refugees? hang out with them? Talk to them about their hopes, fear,s etc. Probably not. YOu just assume all that from the right wing sites were u get your 'ffacts". You're just another redneck spouting "they took our jerbs!".
chilam8668 4 years ago
My great Grandparents came to this country and they did it the right way. Is that enough shoulder rubbing for you? Oh and they were LEGAL! They learned the language and were proud to be Americans. They didn't high tail it back to their home country for retirement either.
MikeHF 4 years ago
Native Mexicans have come and gone thru this land and back way before the europeans came here and took over with lies,and guns, something your govermnet keep using untill this day.
gallomex13 4 years ago
While the Spaniards came to Mexico in 1519 and stole it from the Aztecs. Your point is what? Maybe the point is the strong always overtakes the weak. I mean it worked in Mexico. Oh and the Mexicans never inhabited the midwest or the south but they are here today by the millions today. Face it if America never existed it would have never been developed as it is today. It would be just like Mexico.
MikeHF 4 years ago
Well Mexico might be in bad shape thanx to corruption doesnt make it less than the US. Mexico is no 3 world country like your ignorant fuck seams to think dont complain about seeing illigal or illegal Latin americans. British were in Inida for 400 years yet you still see Hindus there. Same shit I can say about south africa. US is not even 200 years old how do you expect that a continent full of spanish speaking people dont spread on our own fucking continet.
gallomex13 4 years ago
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fuck your great grandparents
Cantankerous83 4 years ago
"To me, ALL illegals look alike" yeah. because they're stereotyped as brown. (I bet if you saw an Irish guy you would NEVER guess that he's one of the half million ondocumented Irish living in the U.S) and i'm just using the racial slurs that you probably utter in your day to day talk.
chilam8668 4 years ago
Stereotyped? The numbers don't lie although you do. Of course there are illegals from all races but we all know the majority of illegals come from south of the border. Prove me wrong ding bat.
MikeHF 4 years ago
didn't say that. but u guys are the ones typecasting all "illegals" as "mexicans." Fact is we got economic refugees from all over. Wherever our free trade policies reach poverty is a result and people are forced to come here to be exploited by the same corporations that fucked up their country in the first place.
chilam8668 4 years ago
So why did they come here ILLEGALLY in the 1950s?
MikeHF 4 years ago
and if you actually read history books you would know most of US today was Mexico, also from the 1920s to thr 1950s US open their borders to let Mexicans, Chinesse I talians, Irish and Japanese workers to build the railroad, buildings, houses and mines that made this country as rich as it is now. So honestly shut up you only live in the lies your shity goverment tells you and your shity boring tv does too. America is lie your not free.
gallomex13 4 years ago
The western part of the US was part what is now Mexico. Lots of countries at one point were part of other countries till someone stronger came and took it over. At one point Greece was ruled by Turks. There is no justification for our immigration laws to be broken and ignored. Oh and learn to spell and get your information correct instead of spouting hate kid.
MikeHF 4 years ago
Exactly the strogest people are taking over, but you cry about it on your tube like a little bitch.
gallomex13 4 years ago
Taking over? Yea right. We kicked your asses out of here already. We can do it again.
MikeHF 4 years ago
hahhahahahahahahahahahahaahhaah the goverment is scared of us for one reason we are a huge part of this country, so I fucking dare you to try something bithc Iligala or not Illigal hispanics will not take any of your bullshit sitting down.
gallomex13 4 years ago
"hispanic?" dude, most immigrants aren't from "Spain. (Oh, and "latinos" were a tribe in italy.)
chilam8668 4 years ago
Yah, we will be a Majority by the year 2050 wheter you like it or not, so America will become a "Little Mexico". Ouch, The truth Hurts.
AgarotH2190 4 years ago
well after we deport 20 million illegal it might just take you a little longer.
But why would you want to make this country as corrupt and backwards as mexico is ?
It's bad enough mexico sucks !
why would you want to spread that !
mexico's immigration law are far more harsher then The United States !
thecoldhardtruth 4 years ago 5
Mexico's corruption has been colluded and supported by the United States govt. It is our foreign and economic policies that makes Mexico "suck." But that's contradictory. If Mexico "sucks" so much why do so many American college kids go to Cabo and Mazatlan and Cancun to get drunk at Senor Frogs and yell "GIRLS GONE WILD??"
chilam8668 4 years ago
American college kids go to Cabo and Mazatlan and Cancun for the cheap mexican whores,
it a job the American whores are unwilling to do for the money.
thecoldhardtruth 4 years ago
the southwest has never escaped Mexican influence. (Cowboy culture originates from mexico) And the border was open until the mid twentieth century. and immigration laws are hopelessly complicated and expensive. and if someone's starving they'll do anything to survive. It's not their fault their govts follow economic policies that benefit the top 10% richest people in the world
chilam8668 4 years ago
Maybe they should do something to change their Government instead of running away like cowards. Your remarks pertaining to or referring to people as rednecks and racist is telling me you are the racist here. These people are there to protect their country. I can imagine the Mexicans wouldn't want over 11,000,000 Americans moving into their country overcrowding their schools, hospitals, and highways while ignoring your culture and disrespecting your flag.
MikeHF 4 years ago
look up Oaxaca and Chiapas and you'll see what happens when they try to stand up to their govt. They're not cowards. And calling you and ignorant redneck does not make me racist. i know plenty of white people i get along with. and not all 11 million economic refugees are from mexico
chilam8668 4 years ago
Oh and only an ignoramus would play the race card.
MikeHF 4 years ago
INS pre Department of Homeland security, actually...and if the immigration system wasn't so fucked up and complicated and stuffed with a huge backlog, if it was streamlined, 9/11 might not have happenned. That being said, building a wall to keep out economic refugees would not have made a difference. Or do all brown epople look alike to u so better keep out the beaners AND the towel-heads?
chilam8668 4 years ago
Genius! Illegal is illegal. How did I miss that? But you've missed something. "No correlation between them..." What the hell? No correlation between you waiting for them to come here, and my idea of preventing them from coming here? Are you implying that you wanted them to come here and my idea of preventing them was invalid? So you want them here so you can call them illegal and kick them out. Oh, I got it. You're a genius! I'm sorry for even suggesting I ruin your Minutemen fun. Forgive me.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Nice try though.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
End of conversation? I think not. The subject is immigration. Laws are implemented at the discretion of the enforcers. You have noticed?
You wait for them to come here (a very lazy defensive stance)and I want to address the issue of immigration before they come (a very pro-active stance). The conversation continues, unless you have nothing to add and then I will move on to the next fallacy thrown up about the issue of immigration.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
If we don't ruin their economies, send in troops to overthrow democratically elected leaders and pass NAFTA CAFTA and GATT agreements they wouldn't be flooding our borders, but you don't grasp that concept so you'd rather spend my money building fences and deporting 15 million people instead of stopping our piss poor leaders from implementing their failed foreign policies that not only ruin their economies but devastate our middle class' ability to maintain decent wages. How un-American.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
You want to address immigration after they are already here. I want to address it before they get here. Is that concept hard for you to understand? Cause and effect, you're familiar with that concept? Let's prevent them from coming here in the first place, let's stop ruining their countries through covert operations, death squads and economic destruction. Are you proud your tax dollars subsidizes US Giant Agro corn growers that flood the Mexican market with cheap corn? Guess who comes then?
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Oh, you get to ask questions and I don't? I answered your question. Are you afraid to answer mine? Come on, don't be so small. At least attempt a response. Are you saying there is no correlation between the two? Come on, give me an answer. As a matter of fact we have legally allowed many political refugees to enter from south of the border because of our digressions and covert operations. Don't cut and run, be a man and respond to my questions. Where do you stand?
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
It's not about racism,it's about defending America from all threats forein and domestic,if Mexicans cn go across the border then terrorist cells can come over just as easy.Why are people who want to stand up for America Racists?
KnoxSUX 4 years ago
all the terrorists from 9/11 came legaly...they all had VISAS. It was an intelligence problem that let 9/11 happen, not an immigration problem. moreover, why is there not more being done to enforce the seaboards and the canadian border? Is it cuz u think that they can blend in with Mexicans easy (not really.but i guess all brown people look alike to you)
chilam8668 4 years ago
Yes,the terrorists had visas but we have found terrorist cells in here illegaly from both borders.
KnoxSUX 4 years ago
People who want to stand up for America need to
1. Know what they are standing up for.
(torture, corporate control, lies about war etc.)
2. Not support Un-American values like racism, scapegoating, and bullying the less fortunate.
3. Need to police their "members" if they want to claim they are not racists. (95% of minute men comments are racist, the other 5% are denying they're racists)
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
What is so rasist about upholding the federal laws of the USA?
KnoxSUX 4 years ago
"What is so rasist (sic) about upholding the federal laws of the USA?" Absolutely nothing! It is when a group attracts racists members and then allows them to portend that they are representing, which in many cases they are, the Minutemen. When Minutemen group whole ethnicities into one "they" and then throw insults at the whole "they" group that is racist. What about international laws, should we uphold them as well? If so should our CIA and Military stop covert operations south of the border?
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
We have had our National Guard troops on the border of Mexico for a while now.You are missing the point!WE DON'T WANT ANY ILLEGAL,NOT JUST MEXICANS!Did you forget about the Chinese or the Canadians?
KnoxSUX 4 years ago
Do you support the School of the Americas training dictators and death squads? Do you support 50 years of covert government interference in Central and South America? Do you support the military being the private body guards for our corporations? What about our economic hit-men sent to disrupt sovereign countries economies? Are those your values? Remember that nationalism is what fueled Nazism and the fascist state of Italy in WWII. Now we struggle with the same sickness here.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
I disassociated myself from the formal religions long ago when I realized the hypocrisy and brainwashing.
borderraven 4 years ago
Then the question remains about your sense of morality. If none, then do you subscribe to anarchy?
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
No, I subscribe to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
borderraven 4 years ago
jimmyjustice, If I send you a check, are we associated?
borderraven 4 years ago
If I know your group's ideology and agree then yes we are associated. I can always return the check if I don't want to be associated with you. Home much did you plan on sending me? I'll send you the address! No, I'm not hat easy!
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
borderaven, you really got to look at the situation from the outside. If your message is attracting skinheads, nazis, racists and bigots you got to have the sense to examine the message your sending out. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here, but come on. If you are not a racist organization then you and your group need to take a close look at your message and figure out why it is attracting this scum segment of society.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Have you considered the common attraction is not about race, but about the activity of a race, who are violating the laws of the USA? Now, I may not stand with the KKK or similar groups today, but when a war with Mexico breaks out, I won't be asking who is shooting at my enemy.
borderraven 4 years ago
No, you can't slip out of this one. You said it, "the activity of a race." Like, "all Jews are cheap." "Irish are drunks" "Mexicans are illegals" just saying that shows you are a racist. Accept who you are.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
If attracting racists to an organization then...you have a racist organization. They are coming for the racial aspect, which is their shtick their game, you are just supplying the field on which to play. It is quite simple logic. If you don't want to attract racists, change the message.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
No, they are not comming for the racist aspect, they come for the defense of the USA. If a mob descended on your house, would you care who stood to defend it?
borderraven 4 years ago
I got to whip-out the "Bullshit" card on that one. They come from the defense of "White Power" plain and simple. You are just supplying them a stage on which to perform.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
And if you are fine with supplying "White Supremacists" with a stage to perform on, then you are one and the same. You are an Enabler and Supporter of RACISM. It is really that simple. No heavy calculations involved!
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Even the knuckle scaping Cavemen on the Geico commercials could understand that, so you should be able to see the connection.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
This conversation has lost continuity. Can we talk at a rally?
borderraven 4 years ago
Sure can, talk is good. We might need to cross the street, but I'm willing.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Umm, wrong sports fan, I don't provide "White Supremacists" with a stage to perform on. If they show up at a MM/SOS rally and we catch them, we tell them to leave or at least go to a separate spot and stand separately from us. This is not to support or agree with them, but to respect civil rights.
borderraven 4 years ago
Besides, race is a human concept. We are the human race. One race. In fact we are really all Africans. I bet that freaks you out!
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
No, it doesn't check out National Geographics Genographic program.
borderraven 4 years ago
From your source - duh
"The fossil record fixes human origins in Africa, but little is known about the great journey that took Homo sapiens to the far reaches of the Earth. How did we, each of us, end up where we are? Why do we appear in such a wide array of different colors and features?"
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Well my "Brudda from another motha" what do you think about that? Your source says I'm right.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
need more...your source
"Different populations carry distinct markers. Following them through the generations reveals a genetic tree on which today's many diverse branches may be followed ever backward to their common African root.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
I am not disputing our African roots.
borderraven 4 years ago
BAck in 2005, SOS/MM was new to the streets and did not know who was in there crowds, today is much different, as we are constantly on alert to visitors to rallies.
borderraven 4 years ago
Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutman Project, has ties to the National Alliance.
chilam8668 4 years ago
How do you get the idea Jim Gilchrist, the founder of the Minutman Project, has ties to the National Alliance? Do you have the hard evidence or have you heard it somewhere?
borderraven 4 years ago
He has accepted monetary support, hence associated with.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Again, do you have hard evidence, or is this something you heard? Can you provide the account numbers, and check numbers?
borderraven 4 years ago
Ask Gilchrist. A good test for his honesty and intent meter! Hopefully he won't have as bad behavior and memory as AG Gonzales. Have him open his books if his intentions are so pure.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
He just passed an audit of the MM. You can hire a lawyer, who can get a subpoena, to look at Jim's books.
borderraven 4 years ago
Audts don't identify racists contributors, and personally I have no interest in his books. I know his crowd. It was you who asked the question.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Economic hitmen and corporations need to be stopped at the border. They decimate the economies of Mexico and Central America. We don't have an immigration problem, we have a refugee problem. These people are fleeing NAFTA's unintended outcomes, and we, as Americans, are responsible for that. As Americans we need to take ownership of our governments actions and act accordingly to reverse draconian economic bullying which would reverse the trend of refugees fleeing their countries to survive.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Take ownership of the government, by voting for what is best for the USA. Illegal aliens can go anywhere but here.
borderraven 4 years ago
Minutemen propagandists call the left and liberals communists, yet claim that many of their members are retired police and firemen, all products of the socialist side of America. If they complain about a political system, make sure they are not beneficiaries of the system. Maybe all their members should take an oath not to receive any federal, state or county benefits, social security or Medicare. How many of Minutemen members would agree to abandon those socialist benefits? Duh!
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
do share
borderraven 4 years ago
Well, I can claim not to be a racist, but you must prove it, to be valid. When did I recruit a neo-Nazi into "my group"? Tell me who they are, or you lose credibility--as if.
borderraven 4 years ago
You may not be a racist, but the minutemen have affiliations with white supremacists groups and attracts the same to their meetings and rallies. Like racism today is well concealed so are the newly named KKKs.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Controlling the content of the membership of the Minutemen is like controlling the congregation of a church. Throughout my activities and participation in the MM/SOS, I have never been invited to any lynchings or crossburnings. I have no proof anyone is involved wtih KKK, etc., and they would not last long if they were exposed. Point them out, show proof, that's all I ask. If labeling the SOS/MM as KKK, is the best you got, then you ain't got nothing.
borderraven 4 years ago
Listen this time. Minutemen attract through their rhetoric racist people, that you cannot deny, just do a simple google search. Nazi flags, skin heads and the like all flock to your group's antics. If you don't want them associated with your group then change the sales pitch and the hate speech, its that simple pilgram.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
What are you talking about? When did this happen? Don't ask me to prove your point. If youa re talking about the SOS rally in Laguna Canyon, back in 2005, let me know, because that was an infiltration. They were not invited and have since learned to not show up at MM/SOS events.
borderraven 4 years ago
I understand that, but the point is, the way you deliver your message is hateful and mean-spirited, which attracts these hate groups. SOS/MM alienates all but a small minority of people, mostly evangelical/born again Christians, which closes the door to debate and finding common ground. You guys don't like NAFTA, neither do we. We agree, laws need to be enforced, but we want international and moral laws enforced as well.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Everyone is born with human rights, but Americans enjoy Consitutional protection of those rights. Come to the USA legally, obey the laws, and apply for citizenship,and you can enjoy the same protections. I call illegal aliens that because I don't intend it as a compliment. International borders are governed by two governments.
borderraven 4 years ago
Your illegal alien is my economic refugee. It is not a black and white issue. We cannot have this debate without discussing US foreign policies, the military, subsidized farm products (your tax dollars) that destroy their economies. We already agree that laws need to be enforced, but we also need to take responsibilities for the reckless behavior of our corporations and trade policies. There is also a morality we need to consider, and if you are a true Christian then you understand this concept.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Your economic refugee can go home and plant beans and corn, raise dogs, and pigs, and run for mayor. The USA is not experiencing a gold rush. The sight of illegals on local streets is symptomatic, of failure to follow the laws. It is not my problem they break the laws, they can't become citizens. Change the laws and the corporations go away. Drive the labor from the farms, and the bank auctions the farm to developers, who build houses. You cannot eat a house. We import more food from offshore.
borderraven 4 years ago
They are, but they are planting and sowing here, and we already know the quality of food from offshore, plus why ship food 1000s of mile when we can grow it. Your argument is agreeing with the point I'm making. The domino affect of US foreign policy is the cause of our current refugee problem. We are getting closer with some common ground.
jimmyjustice 4 years ago
Well, I have enjoyed an exciting life. Sadly, your judgement is blurred by my present appearance. Back in my Navy days, I was averaging 175 pounds.
borderraven 4 years ago
I see what the problem its. You can't handle the truth. BTW -- I lived with a Filipina for 2-years. She worked as a model for Barbizon. Besides doing runway and location modeling, she was an instructor in Hawaiian dancing.
borderraven 4 years ago
I served from September 1, 1972, to August 31, 1992. I wae an Aviation Electrician's mate, and retired at the rank of E6. Oh, and best of all the military gives you 30-days vacation a year, so I got to take 600 days vacation. I really loved Japan and Thailand. Dude they have the most beautiful women.
borderraven 4 years ago
LOL, I was pushing 203, when I enlisted in the US Navy. At one time I was down to 159. But, returning to SOCAL, it steadily climbed. I did serve 20 years though, retiring at age 38.
borderraven 4 years ago
oh, they already have bro
chilam8668 4 years ago
All human DNA originated from the Central Valley of Africa. From there it migrated, split off, rejoined, wandered, stalled, and extended humanity to the far reaches of the lands, on Earth. Get a DNA kit from National Geographic Genographic program.
borderraven 4 years ago
Just like you white genocidal bastards!
drinkitalldown 4 years ago
foreigner are the root of all evil
ibilldavis 4 years ago
then this WHOLE country was founded by racists.
alexciaramirez05 4 years ago
It`s LEGALIST, And we are home, you are not check your`re history.....it is now the year 2007 for your information...you built MEXICO CITY, WE BUILT NEW YORK CITY. You want to go back to 1843??? When we bought that part of the country???? Get ready for the next MEXICAN/AMERICAN WAR. Again IT`S LEGALISTS!!!!
fuckhead696969696969 4 years ago
actually, the dutch founded and built new york city....
chilam8668 4 years ago
those racist have shit in the head..i hope they racist get deport to hell..
elpudiente 4 years ago
That is my Home
LilMenaca 4 years ago
Thats my town.
vivace737 4 years ago
...I think it's pendehas...and it's actually spelled pendejas.
chilam8668 4 years ago
You're making money off them - ran down appartment owner.
70AMX 4 years ago