Southern Praying Mantis Kung Fu (Chow Gar): Attacks

[MrAustropman]

I used to train with Sifu Guy Sue Tin many years ago and his brother Dennis for many years and had the bruises and sore hands to prove it. I have also trained in Wing Chun and dabbled in some Japanese styles but nothing compared to Tong Long for devastating hits and self defence blocks etc. I started when I was just 11 years old (30 years ago) but unfortunately these days I don't train like I used too (too old and lazy) - I must get back into it. Please never under-estimate how lethal it is! DP.

[Mrbajan84]

This looks very close to the earth bending style Toph uses in "Avatar: The Last Air Bender" Cartoon..big fan of mantis kung fu!

[VingTsunFANATIC]

killer style..

[dontcutcircles]

i enjoyed your video, i especially liked when you had the female striking. being smaller, you could still see the power that was generated.

[Frostbite864]

The majority of these moves are not going to have alot of power in them. The basic mechanics are wrong. A slap to the forehead from 3 inches away isn't going to do much except waste time.

[paulgwiz]

Thanks @Frostbite864, you made me laugh

[CraneTiger2]

@Frostbite864 Did you notice the strike to the brachial artery at 0:26? Or how about the constant checking paired with the controlled forearm attacks? Surely, you noticed the throat grabs and the solar plexus hit from the elbow at 0:40 and 0:51, respectively. How about the palm stun to the face after those consecutive checks and blocks at 0:16?

Don't diss something you don't understand.

[Frostbite864]

@CraneTiger2 Note that I said "The majority of these moves are not going to have alot of power in them". Did you notice the girly slapping from 0:12 to 0:14? Or from 0:30 to 0:40?

[MrAustropman]

@Frostbite864 Those "slaps" are just training techniques we called "jongs". The palm hit is a very hard blow known as "pok sau" and when delivered by a Tong Long exponent is extremely hard due to years of hand conditioning. Perhaps the most lethal hit is the hammer fist to the face ("gow cho"") - when used properly it would break the nose and cheek bone.

[Frostbite864]

@MrAustropman I see. I have seen the mantis gow cho. It is pretty impressive. Wah Lum Tam Tui is pretty famous for its application of the technique from what I understand.

[farorin]

@Frostbite864 You've clearly never been on the receiving end of one of these then. Southern mantis is certainly a very strong, efficient, style of kung fu.

[Frostbite864]

@farorin Most styles of kung fu are effective in some aspect. That's nothing special. This style is a bastardization of traditional Chow Gar so it's hard to say if this is really Kung Fu in the traditional sense or something new altogether.

[farorin]

@Frostbite864 Most styles of kung fu these days are not really effective in much else but looking good. Notice where the palm strikes are hitting, and the direction of the force starting from almost underneath the chin, its all efficient and without holding back would create a lot of damage, also you talk about body mechanics without looking into the small movements utilised in order to move the bodyweight into an attack. Maybe I'll make a video explaining what I mean about that.

[Frostbite864]

@farorin You should. I'd love to see it.

[stumer56]

in street combat, your adenaline will be pumping as your flight or fight response kicks in.

[neilawuk]

for example, at second 53, the moment he tries to land a punch he then freezes and that enables a continuation of the counter, that isnt realisitc, however I do appreciate this is a drill

[neilawuk]

i like the first sequence, to me it doesnt look like you can apply much power, I assume im wrong in that assumption, or is it more of a stun? Im thinking of starting eagle claw as its near me but love the mantis style. My only critique of the later clips in this is the moment the defender retaliates the attacker freezes, we all know that wouldnt happen.

[Jaremus]

That looks f...ing nice. Reminds me of when I did Leung Ting Wing Tsun. I will try to find classes in my area.

[MrThinkOG]

they be slappin each other

[imreadydoctor]

@choyleefutkid1 it def isnt for everyone, and there are TONS of watered down schools, that's for sure. From my own exp, it all depends on body type, i enjoy hard styles, but im much thinner than an effective karate fighter, so tkd ended up being a practical choice for me. keep training in w/e style u are and have fun with it! :)

[sangtawon]

@imreadydoctor There are styles built for smaller built people. Some styles have forms specifically for the smaller build, or the taller people, or the larger people, or the shorter, or any combination. Wing Chun is good for a small build because rather than using brute force it uses angles to disperse offensive force. Alot of great kung fu practitioners are actually small build. Personally I'd recommend learning basics of several arts and mixing them. Like TKD footwork with kung fu structure.

[MediumSizedCrane]

Yep, that's good Kung Fu right there!

[MrCepelinas]

not the most effective, but coolest

[theoneandonly200x]

i have to say this is very similar to wing chun

[Bedstysifu]

Looks good. Thankz.

[TPRS313]

Can someone with knowledge on the matter give me the pros and cons of Mantis Kung Fu and Tae Kwon Do? and which is, in his or her opinion, better overall? Thanks!

[jeffdoeskungfu]

@TPRS313 I do mantis kung fu, so perhaps I am biased. But to be honest, I doubt you'll find a good teacher in either system just because there are so few. Mantis uses a lot of "dirty" moves, like groin shots, eye/nerve poking, small joint manipulation, etc. on top of the regular punch/kick/throw type kung fu moves. If you want to focus on acrobatic kicking/jumping and compete, I would go for the TKD. TKD might damage your leg joints though, which is what happened to my friend. Hope that helps.

[TPRS313]

@jeffdoeskungfu Thanks! that helps a lot. I appreciate your time

[stumer56]

@jeffdoeskungfu praying mantis kung fu is very effective in street defence, the kicks in TKD are impractical because you wouldn't try and do a head high kick in a crowded pub/nightclub, because even if you pull the kick off the agressor will see it coming from a mile away and be able to dodge it, there are legal issues too as kicks are regarded as excessive force.

[jonesballa05]

Those elbow blocks are the shittt

[lococavasa]

Deadly not something a person should use inless situations are dire.

[hcdub]

The guy on the right is totally bitch slapping the dude on the left. He's getting carried away. Listen to the pimp hand slaps he's laying down. If I was dude on the left I would give dude on the right a solid chop to the jugular or carotid artery just out of principal.

[imreadydoctor]

very nice looking. I am a tkd fighter, a more "rigid" style, so this looks very alien to me. Could you please tell me how long it takes a typical person to feel comfortable using these techniques, and also if these work against someone with a more closed "tight" stance, with their arms inside (like a boxer)?

[paulgwiz]

@imreadydoctor Chow Gar is a lot different to other styles like TKD and it takes several months to start getting used to the motions. Yes there are techniques to deal with any type of guard position. This video only shows a very small sample.

[RedShogun13]

@paulgwiz

I know this might be kind of random but I was wondering if you know of any good SPM schools in North Jersey. I'm relocating there pretty soon and haven't been able to find any places nearby where I'm going to be at.

[fireknight187]

@imreadydoctor Works on boxers this is a good video there are a lot more techniques but once you get the idea you make your own combinations mostly you will see "sets" those are for practice . If you work at it you can become competent in some months like paulqwiz said.

[longshot67]

the technical term is "in-fighting system" :)

[siakafuse12]

nice...this reminds me of wing chun a little bit i dont know why

[209BigRich]

@siakafuse12

Cuz it's a southern style and they are similar with close range hand techniques

[siakafuse12]

nice...this reminds me of wing chun a little bit

[CanOfMinus]

Cool clip. Loving the crashing forearms against the opponent.

[youngmasterjd]

If you tried this shit in a real fight you would be dead.

[lawsonmc]

@youngmasterjd

These guys are tong long redbelts, they are animals, they would tear any "streetfighter" to shreds before they even had to think about it.

[brasled]

This particular art, when taught in it's entirety, includes what you see above, ground fighting, joint manipulation, qi gong, and short power techniques. Short power techniques mean that if you don't manage to "grapple" them prior to a strike, you most likely already have broken bones, or joints, and once on the ground, they can still deliver those strikes (and they can not be effectively used during a competition, because they will break bone every time). Can't you see the judo inthis.

[iexcalibui2]

@brasled by no means do I know the entire curriculum or capabilities of a fully trained and developed person in SPM. BUT, its my general notion that Chinese Martial Arts avoid fighting on the ground (kicking, punching, chin-na, shuai jiao are the 4 ranges of CMA). Though not to say there are no ground techniques, many that are found are to either sweep/kick so that you can get back on your feet.

[iexcalibui2]

@brasled Generally speaking, I'm doubtful that SPM ground system is as comprehensive as those derived from Japanese ju-jitsu (Judo, BJJ, Sambo included) and the western wrestling systems. I'm not here to offend, I practice SPM..juss looking to expand my knowledge. Thanks

[brasled]

@iexcalibui2 No offense taken. I by no means know a complete system of any particular art. Eclectic best describes my past teacher's style. He studied SPM, Chin Na, Judo, ysing yi, philipine stick fighting, as well as modern medical studies regarding potential accidental point strikes, and has accumulated an extensive written study and history of all (obsessed). He was the one who taught me that few systems of chinese arts are complete in their modern form.

[brasled]

@iexcalibui2 He also, on more than one occasion, stated that the aspect of Judo like ground fighting broke off of SPM generations ago, and made it's way to Japan, were it evolve into a completely different art. His teacher made him study Judo specifically for this reason. How much of this is true, I have no idea. I only have my teacher's history, and as we know, Chinese martial art history is cloudy at best, with everyone making claims. Still, I believe it has merit.

[iexcalibui2]

@brasled I see, so for your school the SPM has evolved a little, very nice. As for the ground fighting, we all know Japanese MAs are heavily influenced by Chinese MA. So I'm sure tons of people make all sorts of claims, which are true? who knows

[brasled]

Ground fighting is an integral part of this art. The above is what most schools focus on to start, but ground fighting is always introduced. Judo is a distant, but directly related off branch of the ground fighting techniques of this particular art, minus the intentional joint destructive elements. Just look at their strikes. They are readily adapted to grappling.

[tombslasher]

ronho its also about safety. Very affective i can see. With the hits full power too dangerous.:)

[hseckink]

Good Kung Fu !!!

[yusifabdalbarr87]

looks like wing chun wityh more useless movement..... "all that kung fu looks like dancin' to me" so hu chi (dunken master)

[SuburbanShinobi8000]

What is it all Palm Strcks?

[Gnarglay]

The big guy needs to stand up straight more.......

[jackassroger]

Weak shit lets see you try to do that on bj Penn bitch. These fucking lame fake China crap should only be in movies. Mma is the strongest martial art system ever. A left hook will punch and break these fuckin weak china shit.

[Gnarglay]

@jackassroger nice grammar there......

[flexchan]

@jackassroger

you're an idiot. i hate mma fanatics like u who don't know anything about martial arts. i hear this all the time. "lets see u do that to so and so" blah blah blah. it's all bs.

[ArmoredNinjaPanda]

@jackassroger I respect the concept of MMA, because a lot of people do just that: they mix martial arts. I hope you can observe each art with intent on absorbing the philosophy and concepts, and realize that it is not about the art. The person throwing a left hook may indeed have a successful strike on one of these guys, or by the time it takes that person's left hook to reach, he's already been hit 6 or 7 times, negating his energy as well. Any art can be the greatest art.

[813impulse90]

@jackassroger

The only problem is that we've already moved in, blocked your hook punch and struck you several times before you even knew what happened. MMA is more of a sport than anything. MMA would be next to useless on the streets because its fighters don't know how to handle weapons or fight without MMA rules. The "fake China crap" has been tested and proven for thousands of years. History doesn't lie.

[shukaku]

@813impulse90 damn arent you stupid mma fighters can easily win on the streets because they learn real type situations like jabs, cross how to evade etc.mantis isnt like eagle or crane. if you get inside there palm strikes will break your jaw. with or with out mma rules means they can just kick in the nuts an pokeeyes dumbassn ot something huge like you can get a certain leg lock

[813impulse90]

@shukaku

Did you even read my entire comment? I'm talking about the difference between MMA and real martial arts. The difference between dealing with weapons and only hand-to-hand combat. What do you know about the animal styles? The answer seems to be not much based on your response. Mantis is widely known in the martial arts community as having one of the greatest and most varied attack techniques. Say what you will, but an MMA fighter would lose to a Mantis fighter of equal ability.

[xBXRxAaron]

@813impulse90 Amateur boxers would shit on this mantis crap let alone MMA fighters who know how to grapple. Once it hit the ground the MMA fighter would control his opponent and submit or ground and pound. How do these guys handle straight punches, combo's, footwork? It looks fancy but it won't be effective against anyone who trains MMA.

[MrIamSpartacus]

@xBXRxAaron

I fail to see why the term MMA has become synonymous with boxing, muay thai and jiu-jitsu placed in the context of a sporting event. If that's all it means then it defeats the purpose of the concept. Besides, exponents count more than styles. I suggest you go and study some JKD philosophy.

[xBXRxAaron]

@MrIamSpartacus Effectiveness > Fancy movement. That's why.

And why should I study that shit?

[MrIamSpartacus]

@xBXRxAaron

MMA should not be a style. You're talking about something that's designed to be effective in the ring, not the street. Why study philosophy? JKD is MMA with a more developed point of view. It can be said that Mr Lee's personal expression of the art is not suited for everyone, if that's what you're saying. Empty your cup.

[xBXRxAaron]

@MrIamSpartacus Where did I say MMA was a style? What was wrong with me saying someone's who had MMA training would demolish someone with the same experience in mantis kung fu? You can't grapple against someone who knows how to grapple you're going to fucking lose. Also a wrestler with training in some type of striking will be the scariest motherfucker to come across on the streets. If that person is not effective then what the fuck is?

[DavidB5501]

@813impulse90 Has that been tested? Presumably a Mantis expert could enter an MMA contest. In the MMA fights I've seen on YouTube between Karate-style experts and 'grapplers' (BJJ, Judo, or wrestling) the grappler usually wins.

[TheDillbry]

@813impulse90 fuckin aye, ur right, thousands of years and MMa just for show. that guys retarded, this stuff actually works

[B372131]

stop doing haymakers and go for bullet punches!

[AsturiasGuitar]

Wow.........that was even more badass than Wing Chun!

[B372131]

@AsturiasGuitar

ahaha, no.

[dano253]

i used to train tong long with a girl and she hurt me more than the men,she had the "fluidity" and excellent hand technique! i don't care what anyone says.... this shit works!

[yottky]

Is SPM a close range fighting system like Wing Chun? If so, is there such a concept as center line?

[tomasconleche]

Nice training guys, and the tall guy reminds me of me!

[karlnito38]

Nice... I'm only interested to this video because Toph does this form in the Avatar... hahaha :D

[Lardman678]

whoa, i was thinking "Wow these guys are good! I wouldn't want to get into a fight with them!" And then the Sifu came in and just owned everybody

[mal637jb]

lol that girl really reminded me of Toph from avatar the last airbender xDDDD

[dano253]

haa yes!!! i can nearly feel it. i like gao choy, pai, pok, punch, mahn to back of neck,lahp sao, chair fung sao, har chum!!! etc. nice solid single hand techs there boy's

[kentalex]

The two first guys have bad timing. They defend before there's an attack. The girl and the guy in red t-shirt have good timing. Nice vid!

[yeeukui]

Good stuff!

[sansooey]

san soo

[fireknight187]

Great drills! I luv  how you guys isolate the attacking are w/ 2 hands and utilize the forearm!

[Frequent2001]

looks a lot like wing chun

[1PostPoMoMaN1]

Like from chum kiu.

[Tw0Swords]

weak , crappy ma , lets see at full speed

[yeeukui]

@Tw0Swords Thats funny!

[shukaku]

@Tw0Swords Your stupid, I'm sorry. At full speed it would be pointless because you can't see how its done. This is to and untrained eye so it would look useless. Slowed down shows just how it can be used and how it is used.

[Sandwhaler]

Some of the angles and movements look similiar to Wing Tsun.

[shukaku]

@Sandwhaler They really do, its very similiar, with the exception of the way the attacks are thrown are different. The blocking/attacking are different to.

[bowowable]

bitch slap ftw!

[Fastdogg562]

Yeah, when I saw the first demo move of this video, I was like "yeah" noding my head agreeing.

This is very effective moves right here.

5 stars!

Peace

[MrCammaz]

can't wait for training tonight :D

[FrederickMathieu]

Nice. But watch out for broken fingers if your opponent grabs the thumbs sticking out in some of the beginning sequences.

[anhkhoinguyen]

I find it very unlikely someone can grab anyones thumbs in a stand up fight. Fights happen to fast.Try imagining trying grab someones thumbs while there striking you left and right, not very effective is it? no offense frederickM lol your thumb grabing might work in a staged aikido demo but not in the real world....anyways this video is great southern mantis is a good style for fighting.

[harkying99]

I mean no disrespect but,do you practice? I only ask because I'm a traditional Northern Kung fu stylist and I find that I get a lot of criticism of my style from people who don't train in anything.Sometimes they even tell me that moves I have actually used won't work.I'm Black and from the South Bronx,my style has been tested.

[Fastdogg562]

anhkhoinguyen

It could happen

[shouldbwerking]

Gents, I'm not passing judgement on the video, simply making comment about the thumb grabbing discussion. In my mind the issue with thumbs is not whether they are grabbed, rather, if they are not tucked in the can be caught on limbs/clothing and result in damage.

As for the video - there are so many 'branches' of the SPM tree - they all are all parts of a fine art. Keep up the good work.

[TheHuiwen]

@FrederickMathieu yeah I have yet to see any thumb wrestling stuff. it only works if the opponent does not expect anything fighting to happen

[nosvaructu]

Yeah, especially against Steven Segal!

[Quasiguambo]

Though im still white rank and have been absent a while, I love the style and of all the styles ive done/ seen - this seems the best hand to hand style (with tae kwan do best for kicks)....and shaolin winning overall...

I can't wait to go back to class n miss it like hell -

If anyones out there it'd be great to see more vids from the UK?

Toodle Pip

[Quasiguambo]

I studied a little Chow Gar in the UK and to me....remember I'm a novice... this looks a bit more.....than what I was seeing. our guys are really powerful and quick and their movements great, but these jongs don't just seem different....to me they look more effective and like they're learning more practical fighting application?

[Piperjunk]

Yay Ive done this style for a whole year it's awsome

[sloppymantis]

looks alot like the way I practice our house/family style.. no messing abuot just direct and simultaneuos strike/block or skip the block and directly strike first.. thanks for sharing!

[Happyanand69]

Really awesome... Right now I'm totally in the mood to do some kung fu...

[bigfatdick5000]

Woww... i wonder how this is different from Wing chun. Praying mantis has style.

[Alport1012]

man its quite cool seeing the jongs used in a different chow gar school. these austrailian jongs are reely different to the ones i practice in the UK but i can see some similarities

[washingzoo1]

Craig something, You don't care if they practise for 100 years; and they don't care if you say 100 words to them as long as they have the dignity to be a system tested for years. If you have satire for 100 years, you can be a Shakespeare----I think you can with your 'good' English !

[Fleedom]

If you like that technique, check out the awesome style and precision of 'Wang Chung!'

[ronho2007]

LOL'z.

you badass!

[Octospidr]

sorry, I wang chunged last night

[chieltjee123]

hahahahahahahaha

[TurtleTramp]

better than many but not as good as some. 3.5 stars

[Mriceefreeze]

PWNED

[craig3x]

cool, but a human can't generate the power per pound a mantis makes when it attacks.

[ronho2007]

Which is why ,Craig3X, the students do hours and hours of "Chay Saiw" and "Doi Jong".

[craig3x]

I don't care if they practice for 100 years. Thats like saying if you practice hard enough, you can bite harder than an aligator or run faster than a cheetah.

[ambucias]

awesome.

[MachOneKix]

KEWL!

[K9DougieDaAceHole]

It might just be me, but @ :53 that chick looks pretty hot when she's kickin' ass=D Is it weird to have a fetish for women with glasses o_O

[BaiLong45]

Hey, I just wanted to apologize for my earlier comments. I meant no disrespect to any of the school's students. Furthermore, I like the simultaneous block/attacks and interception. I also liked the focus of attacks on what appeared to be vital points like the eyes and throat. Fantastic stuff!

[richardhaw]

this is one reason why im so much in love with southern short-hand systems...simple,compact and direct!

[EvilJOEFX]

I know eh? Another good example would be Wing Chun. :P

[ronho2007]

Jong traing is backwards and forwards faster and faster to the point where it becomes robotic. Even if you do free sparring the brain is still programmed to do a set move for a particular technique. And yes I have

" accidently" bled Henry Sue once, and I totally paid the price for my disrespect.

[ronho2007]

The only problem with this type of training is the amount of "give" or "help" from the attacker. Would you try and really hit your Sifu if he showed you a combination.

[paulgwiz]

This type of training is referred to as "jong" training. It is designed to help you understand how to apply a technique, and the attacker's moves are pre-determined. It is not sparring, in which the techniques and movements are not pre-determined. The idea is to learn the technique in a controlled situation first. In answer to your question, yes we do try and hit him, otherwise he would take it as an insult.

[jjhaywood]

@paulgwiz yeah. plus... we are not in feudal China, we all have to go to work the next day. If you break your partner, then what? free sparring is not really that free, and actually unrealistic. it, of course, has its benefits though.

[kato2710]

Training in tong long is graduated, starting off with techniques practised in the air, forms/drill, padwork and jong training. The next step up is one step sparring then free sparring. Jong training is not the be all and end all but it is a very effective training drill when practised often. Sports people have their own training drills to help them with their game and we have our drills to help us with sparring/fighting.

[williambbertram]

@ronho2007 - Every art drills for practice, not sure why it would be any less effective here. Looks like fundamentally sound concepts to me, although I've never done this particular drill.

[pikassproductions]

@ronho2007 My Sifu (Of chow gar) has a nice sign which says - Don't apologise for hitting someone. They should apologise for not blocking your strike. Or something along those lines

[DontLetMeArgue]

I didn't see the mantis fist once... still great though

[KOFLabsTV]

Northern mantis has the mantis fist

this is southern

[paulgwiz]

Southern mantis has it too, just that these techniques don't use it.

[hulkout666]

Good stuff! I never realized how much mantis is also in JKD. Many of the techniques are very similar. Southern mantis is definitely a no nonsense system of fighting! Keep it up!

[HungGarEarthBender]

finally, some a good training video. kudos for takin the hits to the face.

[BaiLong45]

My question is, who's the girl w/ the glasses? She's cute, in a Southern Praying Mantis kinda way ;).

[theScytheofGod]

This training is very good, the physical conditioning seems well done, as well as technique.

[036265]

i train under henry sue, as a green belt first level, in alot of your videos, there is a massive load of arguments.. as to whats fake, whats pointless, blah blah blah.. comeon guys.. we are all students under the same art.. respect eachother as si sook (if that doesnt mean cousins.. then im sorry =p) seriously.. is wu shu/mo cert not about peace and disclipline...?

[patoplush]

what type of krotty is dis?

[thrsaher23]

its not "karate" its praying mantis style kung fu

[peppe74]

bel video....

[gil2518]

dis is a wing chun

[jamesbkfu]

REAL KUNGFU GOOD STUFF

[chrisfud]

Too Right!!!

[frankyverymuch]

which lineage are they from? There is a mix of the Ip Chee Keung forms with Nat Yuen jongs

[paulgwiz]

The sifus of the school (Guy and Dennis Sue-Tin) trained under Nat Yuen when Nat Yuen first opened his Brisbane Chow Gar school. As such their style is heavily influenced by Nat Yuen.

[25yearman]

Actually Dennis trained under Malcolm Sue from 77 till 82 after Nat Yuen went back to hong kong Guy trained under Henry sue till Brown belt. when i started my training in 83he was a brown belt

[emptycup3]

did guy complete his training or use what he learnt from henry and combine it with what dennis knew? how far did dennis get with malcolm?

[paulgwiz]

Sifu Guy has told me that he trained with Henry for about 10 years before starting the school with Sifu Dennis. They went to Hong Kong a couple times to train with Ip Shui for short periods. They also received guidance from Dr H H Tan who was one of Nat Yuen's senior students, as were Henry and Malcolm. Dr Tan still frequently visits our school.

You'll notice that our style is different from how Henry now teaches it. The way Guy and Dennis teach it is how Nat Yuen taught it back in the 70s.

[collector3]

@paulgwiz Hello, you say that you teach the same way as Dr Nat Yuen in the 70s, are you also using the same belt system? I only ask as I used to train under GM Henry Sue in the 90s, same colors but different forms to your colors. cheers

[paulgwiz]

@collector3 the belt system is different. Sifu Guy and Dennis also added three new beginner forms which need to be completed before doing the first of the traditional forms which is Sarm Bo Jin. The three beginner forms are designed to ensure that new students are familiar with basic Tong Long techniques before attempting Sarm Bo Jin. The ordering of forms is on our web site. Cheers.

[kato2710]

On the tai chi side, there is lineage from Cheng Man Ching who taught Master Huang Sheng Shyan who in turn taught Si Sook Gung Dr Tan. There's some good videos of Huang Sheng Shyan on youtube if you get a chance to have a look.

[n0166811]

wow, the female in this has a gud block. and the conditioning between the two males is wiked. Southern Mantis all the way!!

[SecretSword]

I love the old school pre-Taichi internal styles. Southern Mantis is brilliant.

[shengchenfan]

good stuff