The Venus Project Lecture City University of London Pt 01

[happinesson]

futuristic project! this excites me more!

[nelrish24]

w0w

[BeautyHealthZoneBlog]

Reminds me of one of those futuristic films.

[brahmbhattbhavna]

roxanne is waiting for her inheritance

[PrimateDynasty]

is Zeitgeist just communism on steroids?

[fLRedSpade]

@PrimateDynasty

no

you obviously dont know what the venus project is about

[moneysuccesslegacy]

@PrimateDynasty Do you think you'd have to force people against their will to live better than they ever have?

[roadkillrabbit69]

I think it was somewhere on the website I read that the old cities could be "mined" for their steel, concrete, etc. and I thought about the giant combine on half-life 2.

[Peterwhitlock]

absolute crap propaganda

Junk on junk not fit to exist is an insult to anyone that knows how gravity, weather, corrosion, pressure....you know, the things all them people needed to get as education! The clear follies of building giants to do things is done and the follies of building big parts over piece work proof of lack of wisdom

[davexunit]

some people keep mentioning the word "control." we're all controlled. we are the product of our environment. the environment determines the person. we're a combination of influences.

the venus project says "why not create an environment that influences people to do things that are good for them and humanity as a whole?"

[surferinfire]

I have accounting lectures at the same room and I didnt know about the lecture... damn damn damn...

[punkotek]

thanx for publishing it.

[falana64]

OzzyPatriot : Do ozzy stand for australia? I do pity you fool.

[OzzyPatriot]

1) People already act in a common good.

Sweeping statement. What about serial killers? Ones that just love killing despite upbring and education etc.

2) There is no real reason for evil when everyone is provided for..

Alister Crowley was all about freewill, he was well provided for as a child. Individuals like Crowley are a great example of the treachery/evil that would corrupt Zworld's common good lockstep.

[ajtorres693]

1) serial killers is a definition of a killer in todays society. In a venus project society, the lack of envy or most other reasons that provoke serial killers today wouldnt exist. To change the individual u expect from a society, u need to change the social system in which he develops

2) same shit alister, had to much power to be dealing with something that might end up costing him. U need to do some research, u clearly didnt understand what vproject is all about yet u keep posting nonsense

[OzzyPatriot]

If you Zworld lovers are going to stick with your delusion that Nurture will overcome Nature, then I'm through arguing with you. You're fools.

Go ahead. Pat the crocodile, call it Mr Tibbs, give it a cotton ball to play with and feed it Tofu. The day it bites your ass, you might remember, it's a crocodile!

People can be crocadiles, too. Fools!

[ajtorres693]

1) wtf do u mean by Zworld?

2) Im talking about the venus project

3) Human nature is actually an important aspect of the project, u know the one that pretends to develop that very same nature in a fuckin sane world, no in an unsane world like we have today which is the reason why we act the stupid way we do today, not because were born morons. Change the system to enhance the nature, not to change it.

4) Again do some fuckn research, arguing like some religious freak doesnt resolve much does it?

[OzzyPatriot]

Ooher. This insane world is irritating you. No! It is ME who is doing it.

Hehehe. You Venus pro, zeitgeist (Zworld) clowns can't get your crap straight. Normally you freaks just continue to tell me I'm pitied. But you're made of other stuff eh? How about killing me? But nah, you're too adjusted and enlightened for that remember? Hehehe

Individuals wont be controlled. Your socialist world will fail without mass killing of people like me buddy. lol

[ajtorres693]

u are not irritating me, your ideals (UNsane not insane) are, theres a difference. There is the you as a human and theres a you as a social product. Independent from your beliefs, theres a human aspect in you which wants to see the world as a sane place. That you may be in denial or inmature doesnt matter to me.

Individuals wont be controlled? thats a mainpoint the vproject is trying to explain, again do some research man, u dont seem to know much about what ure talking about. send me message

[Migueria]

Your kind will destroy itself. There will be need to kill you because you and the rest like you do a damn good job of killing yourselves. If you want to behave like a fuckin animal, then I will treat you like one Rex. Lay down, beg, roll over and receive a handfull of 25cents coins for your asskissing Lassie. Good boy.

What? You pooped on the carpet again! BAD DOG BAD DOG! GTFO!

[totoliciu]

It's easier to feel powerful having destruction as your purpose than feeling weak against the efforts demanded to penetrate your fears.

[OzzyPatriot]

@totoliciu prrft. You couldn't penetrate your way out of a wet paper bag, let alone a pussy,mf.

[totoliciu]

@OzzyPatriot Go to a psychiatrist. Maybe he can help you. If you believe YouTube can, you're wrong.

[OzzyPatriot]

@totoliciu awe. That's very disconcerting. Are all fagots in Transilvania as BUTCH as you? You can suck my knob any time, btw. Dracular musta taught you that, surely! lolo

[totoliciu]

@OzzyPatriot Are you sure the one that is gay is not you? Because after all you doing "sucking" invitations.

By the way, Dracula is a myth and Transilvania is pretty far away from me. Call for some education before you even try to say something.

If you are 44 years old, then something is really wrong with you.

Cheers!

[OzzyPatriot]

@totoliciu Yeah. You BETTER run! LOL.

[Migueria]

You are a moron and this goes to show how much you know about mankind. Animals cannot help it! They act like animals because that is what they are, in the natural world! However, there have been succesfull tests that shown that if you take an baby animal X and you give it a animal mother Y, it will be an animal X that acts like Y!

But you, idio, you are supposed to have a brain and be able to judge and know what is right and wrong. Know how to temper yourself. If not, you're worst than a animal

[technatezin]

@OzzyPatriot That's the thing though. Crocodiles are only crocodiles because of the crocodiles brain. Investigate scientifically the source of the crocodile's aggressiveness in it's brain and remove the part that makes it a crocodile and you'll have a nice pet.

[invaderavon]

About your first point titled 1) I do not act in a common good. If I did I could give away all I won without fear of having nothing.

About the second point titled 2)

I agree. Simply providing everything for everyone is a bad idea. People need to work and earn things. But having money as a buffer is not needed. If we can just prove the good work individuals do without money saying "I'm worth this much!", things would be better.

[blankopus]

@OzzyPatriot. Crowley was raised by a strict Catholic family. Its no wonder he was "evil". Oppression provokes rebellion.

[vectorsectornector]

@OzzyPatriot Not really Alister Crowley had a strict religious upbringing, he rebelled against it. He wasn't born with evil, there's no such thing.

[OzzyPatriot]

@vectorsectornector Ok. Tell him that, in hell. He's it's patron saint. I'm not.

[OzzyPatriot]

Opps. 4:12

The perfect future Zeitgeist world of high tech just broke down in mid bullshit.

Jacque Fresco and his benevolent super computer should fix that old tech immediately, and not for money, but out of a spirit of "oneness".

BTW.. I bet there was a door fee at the above event, but in the Zeitgeist future, that will be a free community message which you may choose not to attend..yeah, right.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

The perfect future zeitgeist world?

1) he never said it was perfect

2) it is current day... lol

3) Why fix old technology? perhaps it would be better to redesign a portion instead?

Instead of complaining, why not be productive? :)

Hey.. look at it this way.. if you are indeed as lazy as you act to be, then this system would let you be lazier... more efficiently!

:)

[OzzyPatriot]

Now you're acting stupid.

Clearly I'm challenging your notion of a Zworld of no death for useless people. Even in a Zworld run by a computer that decides who gets what, based on resources.

Man. You're kidding me! A slight nudge and Zworld becomes : The super computer has decided you and your family are a waste of recourses and you are to be eliminated. But don't worry, you'll be turned into eco friendly par charred carbon to enrich the soil for future generations of the Zworld elites. Thanks

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

Slight nudge? No.. it seems like you have been watching/reading too many science fiction movies/books.

There are no elites in this new world. Just people who want to help contribute.

ps: Would you mind not calling people names? It makes your statements seem less credible.. thanks!

[OzzyPatriot]

Pffrt. I owned you. Now you're calling the ref. Pussy. You were whiped. Just like all of your unremarkable life. Looser.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

Ah... the childish "1-up"er mentality...

and here I thought you had something constructive to contribute.. but you can't handle new information well I take it..(from your language)

[OzzyPatriot]

Hello.

I'm a useless feeder.

Why will the Zeitgeist super computer allow me to consume resources it will allocate based on need in Zeitgeist world?

And before you reply: I don't want to be affected, educated, touched, modified in any way. I just want to breed and feed uselessly, as I wish, without your help, advise etc, and so do my many many (and counting) equally useless children. So..

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

You are assuming a stereotype.

Because those who do nothing, amount to nothing.

Your life is still valued, but frowned upon...

An example was made by jacque when a question was asked, "What would the venus project do about people who horde unique art in their houses?" The answer? We would ask them to please let it be displayed in the art museums for all to see.. if they say no.. we publish a news article saying just that.. "He says no".

It will make them look downed upon.

[OzzyPatriot]

Oohher REALLY? They'll look down on me.. Show the painting, we beg you. Me: Nup! Them: We hate you even more now..gunna show it? Me: NUH!

The angry mob of tree hugging former pacifists swam over me..ripping and tearing my flesh from the bone.

OK. I must be wrong. Because Zeitgeist world is about love, brown rice pudding and blah.. they'd just frown on me. Yeah Right. Get out of line in Zworld, and you'll not get recourses or so.. punishment = death in Zworld sooner or later.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

Why would I rip you limb from limb over an original painting? They are easy to duplicate if I want to see them.

The zeitgeist world is about love..realizing that we are all one human family..anything less than that is childish and unproductive.

The cities of the future are made to help people rather than harm them.

When talking to me, are you looking for an argument or a productive solution? Because it seems like you are trying to disprove something you haven't fully read into.

[OzzyPatriot]

BS, We're all individuals!

Your socialist ideals are hackney lies.

Its the individual you and your deluded followers can't handle.

You want a lockstep socialist, we are one, BS future!

Christ was against the powers that be 2000 years ago, and FOR free will. You're FOR the powers and against the individual.

It's so obvious that you should just stop with the lies. We see you, NWO. You're time is running out!

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

This movement is not socialist because it is about abundance, minimizing work force to free humans from repetitive jobs that dulls the mind, and abolishing outdated structures such as the monetary system.

Read a bit more into it, and you'll see that you were mis-informed about that subject.

The venus project is also about individualism as well.. watch Fresco's Copenhaven lecture and he speaks directly about individualism and its benefits.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

Finally, where did I say that I am "for the powers" and "against the individual"..

I'm not looking to get into a conspiracy discussion..because it is like slinging garbage at eachother.. and what productive can come from that..?

What lies am I spreading?

That we are one human family on one planet?

I'd like to see how that is a lie.. :)

ps: are you calling me NWO? I agree that time is indeed running out.. but it is up to us how to react.. either hysterically, or intelligently.

[OzzyPatriot]

More presence at stupidity.

You're for the collective, against the individual.

We're ALL one family?

Really?

Where is this one family?..I see sovereign nations, clans and divisions.. oh.. you mean in YOUR future vision we'll all be one big happy family. Ok Mr Lenin. I'm not sure that'll work peacefully.

That's my constant point. You'll need compromise and or kill kill kill to reach the Zworld dream. By the time you get there. It'll be a nightmare.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

Where do you get the "kill kill kill" mentality from?

I don't think killing any person is the right answer.. rather, understanding is the key.

Our one family is present across the world. We really treat eachother as a family.. except when it comes to money.. we turn selfish.. we have to.. in order to ensure the security of our survival by purchasing power...

ps: it seems like whenever a person introduces a new idea, you have a defensive reaction to label them... why is this?

[OzzyPatriot]

Because the protocols of the learned elders tell how they will corrupt grass roots movements.

Fool!

You'll be purged.

Post Zworld. People like you will be the enemy. You know too much.

A world of perfect science and nature worship sees you as a subversive.

Bye bye mo foker.. now let the new Zworld tyranny begin in earnest.. to cleanse this world of resource eating fod. Let the illuminated attain the world and prolonged life tech.. they achieved BeyondDGrave! You are their shill!

[BeyondDGrave]

And tell me,.. why would someone want to "purge" another person if the necessities of life (and more) are taken care of for them.. without debt?

Would you want to kill a random person in Australia just because?

I sure wouldn't... I don't know the person.. and they haven't done anything to me...

You see.. it's a small matter of logic that is the problem in your statements...

If the aim of this society is abundance, and the advancement of man (ie a second Renaissance), why blow things up? lol

[OzzyPatriot]

Another Zeitgeist delusion. That people are a product of Nurture over Nature.

The idea of people acting in the collective, a common good etc. Scientific socialist vision.

Delusion, you underestimate the individuals capacity for evil despite their upbringing and education. By logic there could never be a Hitler, a Napoleon, a Julius Caesar etc. because everyone is conditioned and educated the same. BOLOX! Free will - thought will corrupt Zworld despite collectivist group hugs, sooner or later.

[BeyondDGrave]

@OzzyPatriot

1) People already act in a common good

2) There is no real reason for evil when everyone is provided for..

ps: If you read into the Venus Project, you would have found that you areencouraged to grow and learn because it betters our lives.. the smarter a person is, the better my life can be.. Free will is encouraged.. it is obvious you have not read into the basic structure of this system.

source: thezeitgeistmovement(dot)com

go to the FAQ and read it...

Have a nice day! :)

[selvmordspilot]

@OzzyPatriot : Thanks for repeating the same old line of opinions, in an attempt to justify an injust system. I hope you believe in your assumptions about human behavior, because if you dont, noone does (indeed noone ought to).

[selvmordspilot]

@OzzyPatriot : oh my god. Please don't mind my previous comment - you're obviously beyond reach. I think you're perfectly adapted to the capitalist society.

But to assume that the common good is by definition the opposite of the individuals interests, is to demand war, just for the heck of it. I say that what is truly for the common good, is by definition also in the individuals interest.

This is NWO? rofl.... Then i'm signing up for the illuminati or whatever.

[OzzyPatriot]

@selvmordspilot You're a fool. ALL your talk of 'the common good', 'socialism' etc. should rightfully be paraphrased with the qualification, 'the ideal of'. eg 'The ideal of socialism'.

Thereby recognizing that socialism, the common good etc will NEVER, has never been achieved. Your a dream salesman. Along the way to the car your selling, the follower will be tripped and robbed, the car ends not being anything like the dream. Idiot! History is clear on this. Stop wanking off.

[selvmordspilot]

@OzzyPatriot : It is interesting to observe the vigor with which you've decided to take it upon yourself to speak on behalf of our race.

I dont look to the past for direction, only for lessons.

I'm not saying that we can achieve perfection - but to deny that we can do better is to project one's own imperfection onto everyone else. I'm not selling a car, I'm looking for sollutions. But to find a sollution, one first needs to accept the problem.

You haven't. Good luck prying open your eyes.

[OzzyPatriot]

@selvmordspilot 'I dont look to the past for direction, only for lessons.'

Then you haven't studied hard enough.

Homework: Study the socialist utopias of the 1800s, Failed experiments in the same vein as Zeitgeist. The vision is the dream you're selling. It has the power to move the foolish and lazy. When the ideal of the Venus project doesn't manifest itself.. those responsible for the failure..the same fools that went along - will be punished. Its the boring, inevitability of socialism.

[selvmordspilot]

@OzzyPatriot : If you think the venus project has been realized before, then you know nothing about it.

First off: at no preceeding point in time did we have the technological capabilities we have today. Thus, at no preceeding point in history has it been possible to create this system.

Second: it's a global sollution, and no peaceful attempt at global application has been made, ever.

Dont talk to me about homework if you have no idea what we're discussing.

Also, "selling" implies a price.

[OzzyPatriot]

@selvmordspilot

The VP is nothing new?, There's nothing new under the sun, idiot!

'no peaceful attempt at global application has been made, ever.'

Fool! Cancun is such an 'attempt'. Full of deceit.

prrft. You'd remove the idea of selling by implying there is no price,? Fool! Your words give substance to global enslavement.

[AllGreenFiend]

Don't worry by the time this comes 98% of the population will be eradicated ,simply because its not needed. However i wonder if capitalism will exist.

[lukeabout]

Thank you for creating and posting this work.

These are HISTORIC TIMES for humanity!

[ghsfr33d0m]

Is there a copy of the actual video out there? The cam (the caming of the video) quality is terrible. You could at least plug into the direct audio stream. I looked around the links in the description, if there is a copy of the video up somewhere you should consider putting a link to it there.

ghsfr33d0m

[StuLuminos]

everything manufactured the same? Sounds like communism! ;)

[vigilance71]

Not even close. Communism used monetary system and had leaders who did nothing except for the interest of big companies.

[BeyondDGrave]

@StuLuminos

Don't like things that are manufactured the same? Perhaps you should disassemble your computer then.. lol

[unintentionalatheist]

is this the evening one?

[BestBefore111189]

I don't know why the second lecture wasn't recorded...

This is the first. I'm hoping someone got the evening lecture...

[unintentionalatheist]

ahhh well i was at the second and im sure they said it was being filmed

[BestBefore111189]

yeh. I was told that also. But they didnt mention both the lectures so... yeh... there might be footage of it lurking somewhere...

[ddaaf99]

I got the evening lecture.. Didn't get around to it. Will post it soon.

[BestBefore111189]

Cheers man! Really appreciate it

[BestBefore111189]

Nice one! Thanks