ok obviously this is no monster or some unfound creature, as everyone sees it is already discovered cause some one tied its arms/legs up for it not to survive and drown. this is a case of cruelity. yeah we have very many humans that are sick minded, dont know why they even consider themselves humans, they are monsters. so yeah.. this is an animal that was tied and left to drown. sick sick sick
omg all the fuckin comedians on this youtube is gettin crazy...are you aaaall workin for the government?? this is a monster produced in the mind of a certain Mr cameron during mind control experiment..go study
I agree JABIW the experiment went wrong .El experimento salio mal al animal lo ataron de manos y lo hecharon al mar para que se lo coman los tiburones y borrar evidencias quiza los tiburones no lo comieron porque ha de oler mas feo que una silla donde se aplastan los politicos corruptos mexicanos.
i think it looks like a dog like a boxer but its feet dont look like a dogs feet it most have been a experiment gone wrong so they tied up its legs nd threw it in the ocean so it would drown
This was part of the montauk project. It really is a new "being" - not from outer space but "inner space"
It is not a raccoon. There is a 10 part series to check out. Be careful because the men who worked at the the facility are talking about things that will change how you view the world. I highly recommend it though!
ok im a bit confused the front limbs of of the supposed dog seem normal enough
but the bac legs seem more lik flippers to me i would say more about it but id rather not thegirl and lagomart leveaing all these asshole comments about how im wrong and ther right i will however say i cant giv a full analyses due to the fact that the bac legs my be buried under the sand when it washed up on the beach now i dont care if thegirl or lagomart leave a post but due me a favor dont be assholes about it !
Thegirl and I have been friends for quite some time now. Any differences we had were more than made up for by our agreements.
If you think the back legs look like flippers, then just look at flippers on seals and ask yourself the required questions. The bones of land animals are condensed and tightly bound. This is used in land animals to support weight. In flippers we see a spreading, to create a surface area to drive the animal forwards in water.
look at the arms....the scam artist cut off the original hands , peeled the skin back and added the hands and fore arms of another animal....pulled out all the teeth from the upper jaw..creating the " beak " appearance ...the guy claiming this bullshit has a fake last name and refuses to show the body to anyone...now he has a website selling t-shirts and trying to sell photos....FAKE
OK people, get real. does this THING look anything like a raccoon. find a pic of a raccoon and compare it to to that. and the same goes for people who say its a cat 2. i mean its like WTF!!! A CAT?!! MAYBE its a dog or a mutation, MAYBE its not. lets leave it to the scientists 2 find out wat it is
"OK people, get real. does this THING look anything like a raccoon. find a pic of a raccoon and compare it to to that.... lets leave it to the scientists 2 find out wat it is"
here is the deal..I am trained in anatomy, and I will tell you, with little doubt,.. it IS a raccoon.
Amen, people make up all this shit just to get attention, this shouldnt be a case of amazement, it should be a case of animal cruelty to whoever tied up their dog and drowned it
This is infact a razor-backed ground sloth thought to be extinct millions of years ago :) They are hiding out in the world somewhere, thought to be in the jungles of south america...
It's not a raccoon, dog nor a bull. It's a razor-backed ground sloth.
Hm, I never try and act 'smart," and I never seem to have a problem until I run into someone who is, obviously, so uneducated that, somehow, I offend them by knowing things they do not. It is pretty sad that my dumbed down version of things still perplexes some people.
But at least I am not associated with that racist jerk, "Dog the ex-murder convict," and his white-trash family.
You actually validated that nonsense with a response? C'mon man, you're smarter than that. qwertybird is just trolling, like the 7 million other bored teenagers on this site with nothing constructive to do but insult others and then wait for a response. Users like qwertybird make me wish that there were a basic comprehension and spelling test implimented before people are given the privilege of commenting on file sharing sites.
I knew that we would eventually find something to agree on, my friend. I'm of two frames of mind about the invention of the internet in regards to pseudo-nazis and racists. It's a horrible invention because these idiots have a global forum to spread their hate, yet, it's a wonderful invention because it keeps these paranoid, ignorant losers in front of their computer screens thereby keeping them from assembling, planning and carrying out the empty threats that they make online.
My feelings are pretty much the same. I have the gut reaction to want to stop these people from saying such hateful things, ...but I was taught early on by my father that one must allow freedom of speech no matter what, even if it is to allow people to simply hang themselves.
wow dumb shit all mammals have hair not just a dog. think! god am i the only one here with common sense. its a gov't cover up. the montauk project! look it up its real! they experimented with phychological warfare and "exotic research" like TIME TRAVEL! come on connect the dots! the philadelphia experiment or the rainbow project. ugg to nasty. pretty much a battleship vanished in front of a crowed then "teleported". not the worst part look at pictures.
Again, Lagomort, how would a raccoon manage to bind it's arms in order to drown itself? A domestic dog would be docile enough for an owner to bind it's arms. A domesticated raccoon, on the other hand, is never fully domesticated, would see the attempt to bind it for the threat that it is, and fight tooth and nail to get out of the situation.
My background in biology, and common sense, tells me that this is an unwanted dog that was bound and thrown into the drink to drown.
"My background in biology, and common sense, tells me that this is an unwanted dog that was bound and thrown into the drink to drown."
Your background in biology says that the dentition matches a dogs? Go into anatomical detail explaining you position, if you are trained to do so as you claim.
what is a cetaceans and all mammals have hair. the definition of a mammal is and animal that gives live birth and has hair so if it does not have hair its not a mammal.
You are clueless as to how stupid and pretentious you sound, Lagomort. The mamallian ridge is irrelevant, that the female develops mammary GLANDS and can nurse young with said glands is what defines a mammal.
girl..you are not a biologist, and do not have any real biological training. If you did, you would give anatomical details as to why the dentition evidence I said was incorrect on the Montauk Monster...
I dare you to explain, using proper anatomical terms, why my claims that the dentition of MM matches a raccoon is wrong...
The teeth are that of a canoid and from one picture, that doesn't show the full dental structure, I'm not going to speculate as to whether the teeth belong to a dog, raccoon or even a wolf.
I've more than shown that you are talking out of your ass as far as this subject is concerned:
You commented that this animal likely died while dowsing, something that raccoons don't do in the wild.
You blamed the red discoloration on lividity, although the animal was found red side up.
You label the animal a "raccoon" without specifying which of the 25 North American subspecies it is, nor do you know that these subspecies have different dental patterns uniquely their own.You refuse to see that two of the photographs clearly show that the animals front appendages were bound.
The use of the term "Biotch" in your challange only furthers my belief that you are nothing but a child, well read, granted, but not educated enough to cross reference the facts that you stumble across.
Basing any application of identity on the teeth alone you only further prove my point: canoid teeth could very well belong to a DOG.
The genitalia of this animal is not that of a raccoon. The ear strucure is wrong. The proportions of the front legs to the back is closer to that of a small breed bull or boxer dog. The remaining fur is complimentary to that of the afore mentioned breeds, moreso than that of a raccoon.
Your pretentious and small way of engaging debate will always expose you for what you are: someone with a wealth of book learning but no real world application of said knowledge.
Biology is a matrix, not any one descerning feature. If you cannot look at all of the supporting evidence, instead choosing to cling to one fact that you feel is irrefutable, you deny yourself the knowledge possessed by those with practical experience. I pity you.
Not one things you have said is true. You say the genitalia do not match, but never show how they do not match. You say the ear does not match..this is bull crap.
Every feature of the animal matches a raccoon, but many are never found in dogs...
The separate digits are never found in dogs, the premolar traits are never seen in dogs and so on
By the way, when one runs a matrix, they are doing a cladistical analysis. This is what I did in my video, and I used numerous traits about the teeth. It clearly shows MM could not be a dog...of any sort.
If someone was missing, and a lower jaw was found in the woods, ..would a court of law, and the scientific community, accept the teeth alone in that jaw to be good enough to identify the victim?
Come on now,,,you know th real answer here...do not lie..
If a lower jaw is FOUND in the woods you physically have the jaw to compare to dental records, you base your anlysis on photos, and poor ones at that.
You have also to address what I have pointed out to you: You stated that this Coon likely died while dowsing and that the red colouration was due to lividity. Coons don't dowse in the wild, are drowned by other raccoons not by their own error, drowning victims don't suffer lividity discolouration, and this animal was found red side up.
Why would an animal that drowned in the wild wash up with it's front appendages bound?
You are bringing up your same tired argument about dentation because of your idiotic comment about the mammalian ridge, to which you couldn't accept or admit that you were sharing irrelevant information, WRONG information as to how one defines a mammal. I wouldn't expect you to admit that you are wrong about the identity of the animal either.
I suppose that in this sad experience that is the internet, you may convince some impressionable young people, and I know that that will give you a sense of accomplishment, but I remain unconvinced. That's fantastic, enjoy.
"These two comments, from another vid, tell me all that I need to know about you, Lagomort. "
What does it tell you? A person claimed Monsterquest as an authority and said they said it was a pitbull.
I said if they said it wasn't a raccoon, they were wrong.
I went to investigate to see who said it wasn't a raccoon so I could e-mail them and get their credentials/reasoning only to find out that they DID say it was raccoon.
I pointed out that their stated authority did not back them.
And it was found red side up, the photo of the red side of the animal clearly shows "low tide sand wash", a pattern that develops in sand when an object heavier than the water is washed back and forth in the roll of the low tide. The blue side up monster shows a clear trench where the front paws were dragged through the sand as the animal was turned.
"Coons don't dowse in the wild, are drowned by other raccoons not by their own error,"
As stated below, "dousing," is seen being done by separate raccoons in separate zoos. The only explanation for this is that it is instinctual for them to douse.
"drowning victims don't suffer lividity discolouration, and this animal was found red side up."
This is just plain false. Lividity is found in drowning victims all the time.
"you base your anlysis on photos, and poor ones at that."
We would be comparing the jaw against x-rays, which are also a type of photo, and all we need to do is identify species, and not an individual within that species which is many times harder to do.
The pictures we have clearly show the teeth of the bottom jaw in lateral view. Diagnostic features are easily discerned that are never found in dogs.
Now again, show me how the teeth match a dog, and not a raccoon. Give diagnostic details.
You also fail to account for the tooth loss in the subject. Teeth fall out for one reason, decay. A body that has been in the water doesn't lose teeth. If you want my analysis as to how the teeth make this a dog, I think that the "missing" teeth aren't missing at all, this is likely a dog less than a year old that is in the process of replacing his milk teeth with his permanent teeth.
An adult raccoon of good size with missing teeth? I don't think so. Wildlife missing teeth don't fare well.
The tooth sockets are clearly seen in the upper jaw showing the tooth loss, so yes, there is tooth loss...
a corpse in water loses teeth much of the time, This is a basic part of vertebrate taphonomy as Darren Naish pointed out.
The tooth lose happened after death as it does commonly so.
You can't BS everyone here girl, as these things are common knowledge to vertebrate people, and it is only your lack of education that makes you think otherwise.
"If you want my analysis as to how the teeth make this a dog, I think that the "missing" teeth aren't missing at all, this is likely a dog less than a year old that is in the process of replacing his milk teeth with his permanent teeth."
Also, why would the above indicate dog? This is common to mammals in general for the most part, and is not diagnostic for dogs so...how do you use this to give a dog diagnosis?
In the argument of a 2 foot long subject being a raccoon OR a dog it's more likely to be a young dog going through the transition from milk to permanent teeth than to be a fully grown raccoon with missing teeth.
I didn't say that there wasn't tooth loss, I merely said that the teeth weren't "missing".
Your friend Darren Naish is a bit of an idiot, I spent an hour on his blog last night and counted many factual errors about simple subjects.
OK, first, tooth replacement does not leave open gapping alveoli. This means the teeth were lost, and had not fallen out due to the replacement of milk teeth. This is like, "vertebrates 101"
Next, the same type of loss occurs in raccoons, so how would your argument help you anyways?
Next, Dr. Naish is far from an idiot, but again. you like to simply make bold claims, and avoid actual support of those claims. Now, as I asked, point out the errors made by Dr. Naish.
Now, once again, the dentition of the lower jaw can be seen, even in the lower res version of my video. Show me one diagnostic feature of these teeth that point to a dog, and rules out a raccoon. Just one would be good...
I can name several traits of MM that are found in raccoons (all observable actually), that are never found in dogs,,,
r u forgetting that plum island is located pretty much right next to montauk? it couldve been a test and they got rid of the animal they were testing. hell with the creepy shit that goes on over there i wouldnt be surprised if this was a mutated hog or some shit
"r u forgetting that plum island is located pretty much right next to montauk? "
No, I am not forgetting that Plum Island is close by. Who cares? It does not stop this things from being a raccoon. The head of Plum Island said it could be a dog or a raccoon, and he himself thinks it is a dog. He is obviously not a morphologist, or a dentition specialist or he would have settled with "raccoon."
Try going to the blog known as, "Tetrapod Zoology."
It is run by Darren Naish, a PhD in vertebrate paleontology. To find it place, "Tetrapod zoology darren Naish Montauk Monster," into google and you will find it...
After reading his blog on MM, come on back here and tell me why he is wrong, K?
The teeth are not "canoid." Being a carnivore does not make ones teeth "canoid."
I have given numerous reasons in my video why they match a raccoon's teeth, and not a dog, and you still have not shown one thing I said to be wrong.
dousing (spell it right biotch) is assumed to be in the wild because they do it in captivity. Separate animals, in separate zoos do not invent the same new trait. They do it because it a common instinct in all of them.
"cetaceans = dolphins, whales etc. Aquatic mammals. none of them have hair."
Whales may not have fur, but they often have hair, just greatly reduced. As for aquatic mammals, seals walruses and so on are aquatic mammals, and yes, they have hair,..some even have fur.
By the way, Great White sharks are considered warm blooded...they ain't mammals either...
hey dumb shits guess what! "Marine mammals have hair. Cetaceans have little hair, usually a very few bristles retained around the head or mouth" copy and pasted this so you are all wrong and thats proof. and if mammalian gland makes an animal a mammal does the great white shark have one. yea didnt think so
ANY PIT BULL OWNER KNOWS THAT THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY A PIT BULL THAT HAD BEEN ABUSED AND PUT INTO THE RIVER BEFORE OR AFTER DEATH!!! WATER CAUSES BLOATING, NAILS CONTINUEU TO GROW POST MORTEM AND THE HIS FACE IS DEFORMED DUE TO 1. The Bloating 2. The elements and 3. Most likely the unfortunate torture this poor guy endured prior to his passing!! =( GET A GRIP PEOPLE!! WORRY MORE ABOUT STOPPING THE ABUSE TO OUR ANIMAL FRIENDS AND LESS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN GET FINANCIALLY FOR SCREAMING "MONSTER"
I agree w/u. I hate people who treat animals this way... What's WRONG with you people?!?! It's an effing dog that was abused! Whoever took this pic is just sick if they left the body there and never told anyone...
how could they take the picture and not tell anyone if its all over the internet and news, anyways it does look like an abused animal, that was beaten and deformed.
i agree they say its for a movie fang or something one the news they said but i think its a cover up so people would quit asking about it it looks amazing wouldnt mind trying to do an autopsy on it
I see on your page that you like a lot of deep meaningful stuff, how can you be interested in that if you lack understanding.. you show that by your annoying rude comment.. it pissed me off.. soooo kiss some statue's ass poser
OK, just wanted to make sure everyone here knew that this has always been a dead raccoon, the hands were never, "tied," and the pictures were all of the same animal, despite the belief by many that there were several animals involved.
Why dont we ask the person who found it originally? find them and ask them what they think and lets get the originall picutre. I dont this that it is. Unless that picture phone was high and damn good quality?!
I have seen the pictures with the flies on it. How can you tell how long the fly is? Are you assuming? Flies vary in size greatly. Some are often several times large than many closely related flies. Also, angles obscure depth as one moves a 3D image into the 2D space of a picture. This distorts relative size greatly.
There is no way to tell by using the flies if the animal is 1 foot long, or 5 feet long. If you think you can, you are deluding yourself.
HELLO YA'LL
CrazyNative4 1 year ago
ok obviously this is no monster or some unfound creature, as everyone sees it is already discovered cause some one tied its arms/legs up for it not to survive and drown. this is a case of cruelity. yeah we have very many humans that are sick minded, dont know why they even consider themselves humans, they are monsters. so yeah.. this is an animal that was tied and left to drown. sick sick sick
MSCtruly 1 year ago 2
Looks like a son of a dog and a mole :D
Blandado 1 year ago
this is the result of eating too much fucking unabtainium
kyubipalex 1 year ago
Oh I see now, it's a dead dog with the nose decayed away.
vidiocratic 1 year ago
ya i actually think thats a dog
acon768 1 year ago
@acon768 it has a beak tho.
Likeaboss365 1 year ago
@Likeaboss365 That could have been the skull, like a shark ate it's snout or something. ever think about that?
And flesh rots over time so yeah.
Adrilav 1 year ago
it was a raccoon
blackcat445577 1 year ago
6 Legs ? ... It came from Pandora ?
Kaminoke 1 year ago
american bulldog
MrSafetymeeting 1 year ago
looks like a badger or however u spell it
Louistx210 1 year ago
What a horrible thing to happen to a dog. Humans are sickos at times.
o0portal0o 1 year ago
omg all the fuckin comedians on this youtube is gettin crazy...are you aaaall workin for the government?? this is a monster produced in the mind of a certain Mr cameron during mind control experiment..go study
uranusskies 2 years ago
RACOON WITHOUT SKIN!!!!!!!
TheKevin1980 2 years ago
Finally a sensible comment
WillLykins 2 years ago
thats a quaratined dag it got quarantined by an fail experiment
2000Lolswat 2 years ago
raccoon plus its kinda cute
Thunderstarcat 2 years ago
I agree JABIW the experiment went wrong .El experimento salio mal al animal lo ataron de manos y lo hecharon al mar para que se lo coman los tiburones y borrar evidencias quiza los tiburones no lo comieron porque ha de oler mas feo que una silla donde se aplastan los politicos corruptos mexicanos.
MexiEmpleadoCorrupto 2 years ago
i think it looks like a dog like a boxer but its feet dont look like a dogs feet it most have been a experiment gone wrong so they tied up its legs nd threw it in the ocean so it would drown
JABYW 2 years ago
it looks nothing like a boxer.
Omegaa420 2 years ago
This was part of the montauk project. It really is a new "being" - not from outer space but "inner space"
It is not a raccoon. There is a 10 part series to check out. Be careful because the men who worked at the the facility are talking about things that will change how you view the world. I highly recommend it though!
It's in my favorites if you can't find it.
canadakim1 2 years ago
I know all about Montauk Project.
It changed my world view.
Now i'm a paranoid wreck of a person.
rand0mIaughingman 2 years ago
raccoon
alfok 2 years ago
fuck that theory.. its ridiculous... ha ha ha!!
alfok 2 years ago
sadly i thnik its a dog that has its front feet bound and its snout either biten off by a shark or cut off that is y it looks like a beak
mfgsilvia 2 years ago 7
Aven, Lol it DOES look like a molerat!!!
anakinfan12002 2 years ago
Dog.
LynyrdFreakinSkynyrd 2 years ago
dose any one think that kinda look like the mole rats off of fallout 3 ? well :/ i guess its pretty freaky looking >>
Aven2334 2 years ago 2
Shiver me Timbers, it's Pugwash Pete.
NAMZR160 2 years ago
its my sis while she take a break in the beach :D
ykepex 2 years ago 2
ok im a bit confused the front limbs of of the supposed dog seem normal enough
but the bac legs seem more lik flippers to me i would say more about it but id rather not thegirl and lagomart leveaing all these asshole comments about how im wrong and ther right i will however say i cant giv a full analyses due to the fact that the bac legs my be buried under the sand when it washed up on the beach now i dont care if thegirl or lagomart leave a post but due me a favor dont be assholes about it !
thebigred7 2 years ago
Thegirl and I have been friends for quite some time now. Any differences we had were more than made up for by our agreements.
If you think the back legs look like flippers, then just look at flippers on seals and ask yourself the required questions. The bones of land animals are condensed and tightly bound. This is used in land animals to support weight. In flippers we see a spreading, to create a surface area to drive the animal forwards in water.
Which do we see here?
Lagomort 2 years ago
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Lagomort 2 years ago
that does not look like a dog to me
blacklabgirl09 2 years ago 2
eww eww omg it's absolutely hideous
gives me the shivers when i see it
spaztasticlol 2 years ago
it's an experiment from a lab wich probably escaped or who knowes
alexdavidsammy 2 years ago
look at the arms....the scam artist cut off the original hands , peeled the skin back and added the hands and fore arms of another animal....pulled out all the teeth from the upper jaw..creating the " beak " appearance ...the guy claiming this bullshit has a fake last name and refuses to show the body to anyone...now he has a website selling t-shirts and trying to sell photos....FAKE
MermaidMystery 2 years ago
Thats a giant mutated sewer rat...
XXXREDROOMXXX 2 years ago
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DrewbByerly47 2 years ago
Don't be so sure of things, ...especially when you are sorta wrong...
Lagomort 2 years ago
why are his hands tied up and by whom? i think that portals are opening up and some creatures are coming through. but what do i know.
good2btheking 2 years ago
scientific mutation they are testing on pitbulls,,,
dam the government!!
mgvwolf 2 years ago
its probably a dog that got beaten up and drowned... I mean its possible but a raccoon..... ahhhh STFU
disisdope21 2 years ago
ok dats y it looks so much like a dog it has like claws
spellbindagirl 2 years ago
OK people, get real. does this THING look anything like a raccoon. find a pic of a raccoon and compare it to to that. and the same goes for people who say its a cat 2. i mean its like WTF!!! A CAT?!! MAYBE its a dog or a mutation, MAYBE its not. lets leave it to the scientists 2 find out wat it is
sonicrules77 2 years ago
"OK people, get real. does this THING look anything like a raccoon. find a pic of a raccoon and compare it to to that.... lets leave it to the scientists 2 find out wat it is"
here is the deal..I am trained in anatomy, and I will tell you, with little doubt,.. it IS a raccoon.
Lagomort 2 years ago
is dog
pit bull
raperoxxx995 2 years ago
It´s not a mutation, it´s a dog.
Why do everyone see monsters and ghosts at once, when they don´t recognize a thing.
anitabj59 2 years ago
Amen, people make up all this shit just to get attention, this shouldnt be a case of amazement, it should be a case of animal cruelty to whoever tied up their dog and drowned it
Blazeinproductions 2 years ago
is a mutation
miraelfuckingvideo 2 years ago
Some sick F*ck tied a dogs front legs together so it would drown.. makes me sick. So theres youre monster, its the bloated body off some poor dog.
EekZombies 2 years ago 11
@EekZombies it does look like it could be like a pitbull or boxer or russel terier
skate4tacos96 1 year ago
@EekZombies what dog has a beak?
modgemtb 10 months ago
This is infact a razor-backed ground sloth thought to be extinct millions of years ago :) They are hiding out in the world somewhere, thought to be in the jungles of south america...
It's not a raccoon, dog nor a bull. It's a razor-backed ground sloth.
LOLimCRAP 3 years ago
i hate how on almost every video, people post comments just to argue...
whats the point?
autumngold1 3 years ago
It seems to be a rotten racoon thats been tied up scavenged upon and blotted up
Skychi1234123 3 years ago
didnt they all agree in the end it was a boxer pup that have been drowned for whatever reason?
richard99th 3 years ago
it was so weird i was in montauk when this thing was found lol
tankinreaper 3 years ago
Hm, I never try and act 'smart," and I never seem to have a problem until I run into someone who is, obviously, so uneducated that, somehow, I offend them by knowing things they do not. It is pretty sad that my dumbed down version of things still perplexes some people.
But at least I am not associated with that racist jerk, "Dog the ex-murder convict," and his white-trash family.
Lagomort 3 years ago
You actually validated that nonsense with a response? C'mon man, you're smarter than that. qwertybird is just trolling, like the 7 million other bored teenagers on this site with nothing constructive to do but insult others and then wait for a response. Users like qwertybird make me wish that there were a basic comprehension and spelling test implimented before people are given the privilege of commenting on file sharing sites.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Sorry, I agree, but when I saw they were associated with, "The Dog," I sorta had to.
I always wanted to slap that racist jerk after his rant where he called some girl a, "N....," over and over again.
Racists just piss me off.
Lagomort 3 years ago
I knew that we would eventually find something to agree on, my friend. I'm of two frames of mind about the invention of the internet in regards to pseudo-nazis and racists. It's a horrible invention because these idiots have a global forum to spread their hate, yet, it's a wonderful invention because it keeps these paranoid, ignorant losers in front of their computer screens thereby keeping them from assembling, planning and carrying out the empty threats that they make online.
thegirl44 3 years ago
My feelings are pretty much the same. I have the gut reaction to want to stop these people from saying such hateful things, ...but I was taught early on by my father that one must allow freedom of speech no matter what, even if it is to allow people to simply hang themselves.
Lagomort 3 years ago
is it a dog or a cow? u should pause it somwhere with it laying down it has a dog tail and the sharp bone of a cow on the mouth
rlston 3 years ago
a event like this must have 200 foto's not 1 or 2 ...it's fake
pitic69 3 years ago
TURTLE WITHOUT A SHELL
9thompbl 3 years ago
It is in fact a rotting dog.
samohtandrew 3 years ago 2
its a genetic creation by humans for the militaries new breed of fighting dog
texasropem 3 years ago 3
It's a dog. Get over it. I know you all love your conspiracy theories but it is still a dog that has been in water a while.
longshanks9000 3 years ago
This is michael jackson's dog, it died after having the same surgical procedures as Michael, apparently it used to touch little puppys bums.
BrutalTruthHurts 3 years ago 3
lol, you guys are funny.. I have seen this before.. Its a Dog! When I was a kid I found one just like this in a river.
Look at the tail and ears. K9
After been in water the dog swells and looses its hair and after some decay, normaly the mouth rots away first.
donnyduck1 3 years ago
All diagnostic features shows that this is not a dog, but a raccoon.
Lagomort 3 years ago
its hannah montanah
Angelbearlina 3 years ago 4
ok its a bulldog but ...
what in the heck happened to that thing?
Blackeangel 3 years ago
itz a fuckin dog...if u look closely there iz hair around his/her neck
EEsBBz11 3 years ago
It is not a dog. It is a raccoon.
Lagomort 3 years ago
wow dumb shit all mammals have hair not just a dog. think! god am i the only one here with common sense. its a gov't cover up. the montauk project! look it up its real! they experimented with phychological warfare and "exotic research" like TIME TRAVEL! come on connect the dots! the philadelphia experiment or the rainbow project. ugg to nasty. pretty much a battleship vanished in front of a crowed then "teleported". not the worst part look at pictures.
cokecannn 3 years ago
cokecann..
You're not very bright, now are you?
Lagomort 3 years ago
Again, Lagomort, how would a raccoon manage to bind it's arms in order to drown itself? A domestic dog would be docile enough for an owner to bind it's arms. A domesticated raccoon, on the other hand, is never fully domesticated, would see the attempt to bind it for the threat that it is, and fight tooth and nail to get out of the situation.
My background in biology, and common sense, tells me that this is an unwanted dog that was bound and thrown into the drink to drown.
thegirl44 3 years ago
"My background in biology, and common sense, tells me that this is an unwanted dog that was bound and thrown into the drink to drown."
Your background in biology says that the dentition matches a dogs? Go into anatomical detail explaining you position, if you are trained to do so as you claim.
Lagomort 3 years ago
lol stupid cokecannn
brownscirocco 3 years ago
LOL cetaceans are all mammals and none of them have hair!
AnarchyBegins 3 years ago
what is a cetaceans and all mammals have hair. the definition of a mammal is and animal that gives live birth and has hair so if it does not have hair its not a mammal.
cokecannn 3 years ago
cetaceans = dolphins, whales etc.
Aquatic mammals.
none of them have hair.
Sorry kid, but you ARE WRONG.
the definition of a mammal is a WARM BLOODED CREATURE. BTW Duckbilled Platypus is a mammal which lays eggs....
and whales/dolphins do not have hair...they are mammals...
AnarchyBegins 3 years ago
"the definition of a mammal is a WARM BLOODED CREATURE"
Birds are warm blooded...they ain't mammals...
Lagomort 3 years ago
Mammary glands in the females of the species defines what a mammal is.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Actually, the mammalian ridge develops in both the male and female, but, in most cases only the female stimulates the maturation of the region.
Lagomort 3 years ago
You are clueless as to how stupid and pretentious you sound, Lagomort. The mamallian ridge is irrelevant, that the female develops mammary GLANDS and can nurse young with said glands is what defines a mammal.
thegirl44 3 years ago
girl..you are not a biologist, and do not have any real biological training. If you did, you would give anatomical details as to why the dentition evidence I said was incorrect on the Montauk Monster...
I dare you to explain, using proper anatomical terms, why my claims that the dentition of MM matches a raccoon is wrong...
This is a public challenge biotch
Lagomort 3 years ago
The teeth are that of a canoid and from one picture, that doesn't show the full dental structure, I'm not going to speculate as to whether the teeth belong to a dog, raccoon or even a wolf.
I've more than shown that you are talking out of your ass as far as this subject is concerned:
You commented that this animal likely died while dowsing, something that raccoons don't do in the wild.
You blamed the red discoloration on lividity, although the animal was found red side up.
thegirl44 3 years ago
You label the animal a "raccoon" without specifying which of the 25 North American subspecies it is, nor do you know that these subspecies have different dental patterns uniquely their own.You refuse to see that two of the photographs clearly show that the animals front appendages were bound.
The use of the term "Biotch" in your challange only furthers my belief that you are nothing but a child, well read, granted, but not educated enough to cross reference the facts that you stumble across.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Basing any application of identity on the teeth alone you only further prove my point: canoid teeth could very well belong to a DOG.
The genitalia of this animal is not that of a raccoon. The ear strucure is wrong. The proportions of the front legs to the back is closer to that of a small breed bull or boxer dog. The remaining fur is complimentary to that of the afore mentioned breeds, moreso than that of a raccoon.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Your pretentious and small way of engaging debate will always expose you for what you are: someone with a wealth of book learning but no real world application of said knowledge.
Biology is a matrix, not any one descerning feature. If you cannot look at all of the supporting evidence, instead choosing to cling to one fact that you feel is irrefutable, you deny yourself the knowledge possessed by those with practical experience. I pity you.
thegirl44 3 years ago
I am using every feature of the animal.
Not one things you have said is true. You say the genitalia do not match, but never show how they do not match. You say the ear does not match..this is bull crap.
Every feature of the animal matches a raccoon, but many are never found in dogs...
The separate digits are never found in dogs, the premolar traits are never seen in dogs and so on
Lagomort 3 years ago
"Biology is a matrix"
By the way, when one runs a matrix, they are doing a cladistical analysis. This is what I did in my video, and I used numerous traits about the teeth. It clearly shows MM could not be a dog...of any sort.
Lagomort 3 years ago
"identity on the teeth alone"
If someone was missing, and a lower jaw was found in the woods, ..would a court of law, and the scientific community, accept the teeth alone in that jaw to be good enough to identify the victim?
Come on now,,,you know th real answer here...do not lie..
Lagomort 3 years ago
If a lower jaw is FOUND in the woods you physically have the jaw to compare to dental records, you base your anlysis on photos, and poor ones at that.
You have also to address what I have pointed out to you: You stated that this Coon likely died while dowsing and that the red colouration was due to lividity. Coons don't dowse in the wild, are drowned by other raccoons not by their own error, drowning victims don't suffer lividity discolouration, and this animal was found red side up.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Why would an animal that drowned in the wild wash up with it's front appendages bound?
You are bringing up your same tired argument about dentation because of your idiotic comment about the mammalian ridge, to which you couldn't accept or admit that you were sharing irrelevant information, WRONG information as to how one defines a mammal. I wouldn't expect you to admit that you are wrong about the identity of the animal either.
thegirl44 3 years ago
I suppose that in this sad experience that is the internet, you may convince some impressionable young people, and I know that that will give you a sense of accomplishment, but I remain unconvinced. That's fantastic, enjoy.
thegirl44 3 years ago
Interesting blog you cited, I've found 7 factual errors in as many minutes.
thegirl44 3 years ago
"if ne of u have seen monsterquest on tv, u would kno that it turned out 2 b a bulldog. It's no monster. "
if monsterquest said that, then it was wrong. This is a raccoon. I just googled "Monsterquest," and "montauk monster."
It turns out they do have an on-line video explaining what they think it is. Guess what they said?
Monsterquest said: "Raccoon."
These two comments, from another vid, tell me all that I need to know about you, Lagomort.
thegirl44 3 years ago
"These two comments, from another vid, tell me all that I need to know about you, Lagomort. "
What does it tell you? A person claimed Monsterquest as an authority and said they said it was a pitbull.
I said if they said it wasn't a raccoon, they were wrong.
I went to investigate to see who said it wasn't a raccoon so I could e-mail them and get their credentials/reasoning only to find out that they DID say it was raccoon.
I pointed out that their stated authority did not back them.
So?
Lagomort 3 years ago
"Interesting blog you cited, I've found 7 factual errors in as many minutes. "
Name the "factual errors," in Darren Naish's blog. I dare you...
Lagomort 3 years ago
"Why would an animal that drowned in the wild wash up with it's front appendages bound?"
The front appendages were not bound. I explained this to you on day one.
Lagomort 3 years ago
And it was found red side up, the photo of the red side of the animal clearly shows "low tide sand wash", a pattern that develops in sand when an object heavier than the water is washed back and forth in the roll of the low tide. The blue side up monster shows a clear trench where the front paws were dragged through the sand as the animal was turned.
thegirl44 3 years ago
"Coons don't dowse in the wild, are drowned by other raccoons not by their own error,"
As stated below, "dousing," is seen being done by separate raccoons in separate zoos. The only explanation for this is that it is instinctual for them to douse.
"drowning victims don't suffer lividity discolouration, and this animal was found red side up."
This is just plain false. Lividity is found in drowning victims all the time.
Lagomort 3 years ago
"you base your anlysis on photos, and poor ones at that."
We would be comparing the jaw against x-rays, which are also a type of photo, and all we need to do is identify species, and not an individual within that species which is many times harder to do.
The pictures we have clearly show the teeth of the bottom jaw in lateral view. Diagnostic features are easily discerned that are never found in dogs.
Now again, show me how the teeth match a dog, and not a raccoon. Give diagnostic details.
Lagomort 3 years ago
I don't have a clear enough photo to analyse the teeth, nor do you, and you most certainly do not have an X-ray.
thegirl44 3 years ago
You also fail to account for the tooth loss in the subject. Teeth fall out for one reason, decay. A body that has been in the water doesn't lose teeth. If you want my analysis as to how the teeth make this a dog, I think that the "missing" teeth aren't missing at all, this is likely a dog less than a year old that is in the process of replacing his milk teeth with his permanent teeth.
An adult raccoon of good size with missing teeth? I don't think so. Wildlife missing teeth don't fare well.
thegirl44 3 years ago
The tooth sockets are clearly seen in the upper jaw showing the tooth loss, so yes, there is tooth loss...
a corpse in water loses teeth much of the time, This is a basic part of vertebrate taphonomy as Darren Naish pointed out.
The tooth lose happened after death as it does commonly so.
You can't BS everyone here girl, as these things are common knowledge to vertebrate people, and it is only your lack of education that makes you think otherwise.
Next, name the claimed errors in Darren blog
Lagomort 3 years ago
"If you want my analysis as to how the teeth make this a dog, I think that the "missing" teeth aren't missing at all, this is likely a dog less than a year old that is in the process of replacing his milk teeth with his permanent teeth."
Also, why would the above indicate dog? This is common to mammals in general for the most part, and is not diagnostic for dogs so...how do you use this to give a dog diagnosis?
Lagomort 3 years ago
In the argument of a 2 foot long subject being a raccoon OR a dog it's more likely to be a young dog going through the transition from milk to permanent teeth than to be a fully grown raccoon with missing teeth.
I didn't say that there wasn't tooth loss, I merely said that the teeth weren't "missing".
Your friend Darren Naish is a bit of an idiot, I spent an hour on his blog last night and counted many factual errors about simple subjects.
I'm off, Kiddo, talk to you later.
thegirl44 3 years ago
OK, first, tooth replacement does not leave open gapping alveoli. This means the teeth were lost, and had not fallen out due to the replacement of milk teeth. This is like, "vertebrates 101"
Next, the same type of loss occurs in raccoons, so how would your argument help you anyways?
Next, Dr. Naish is far from an idiot, but again. you like to simply make bold claims, and avoid actual support of those claims. Now, as I asked, point out the errors made by Dr. Naish.
Or can you?
Lagomort 3 years ago
Now, once again, the dentition of the lower jaw can be seen, even in the lower res version of my video. Show me one diagnostic feature of these teeth that point to a dog, and rules out a raccoon. Just one would be good...
I can name several traits of MM that are found in raccoons (all observable actually), that are never found in dogs,,,
Lagomort 3 years ago
"I don't have a clear enough photo to analyse the teeth"
False,,,there are plenty on-line that are more than clear enough.
Lagomort 3 years ago
r u forgetting that plum island is located pretty much right next to montauk? it couldve been a test and they got rid of the animal they were testing. hell with the creepy shit that goes on over there i wouldnt be surprised if this was a mutated hog or some shit
JonnySchretz 3 years ago
"r u forgetting that plum island is located pretty much right next to montauk? "
No, I am not forgetting that Plum Island is close by. Who cares? It does not stop this things from being a raccoon. The head of Plum Island said it could be a dog or a raccoon, and he himself thinks it is a dog. He is obviously not a morphologist, or a dentition specialist or he would have settled with "raccoon."
Lagomort 3 years ago
Try going to the blog known as, "Tetrapod Zoology."
It is run by Darren Naish, a PhD in vertebrate paleontology. To find it place, "Tetrapod zoology darren Naish Montauk Monster," into google and you will find it...
After reading his blog on MM, come on back here and tell me why he is wrong, K?
Lagomort 3 years ago
Need sleep..be back tomorrow
Lagomort 3 years ago
"Basing any application of identity on the teeth alone you only further prove my point: canoid teeth could very well belong to a DOG."
Give me ONE trait of the teeth that is found in dogs,..but not a raccoon?
Lagomort 3 years ago
The teeth are not "canoid." Being a carnivore does not make ones teeth "canoid."
I have given numerous reasons in my video why they match a raccoon's teeth, and not a dog, and you still have not shown one thing I said to be wrong.
dousing (spell it right biotch) is assumed to be in the wild because they do it in captivity. Separate animals, in separate zoos do not invent the same new trait. They do it because it a common instinct in all of them.
Oh, and it was not found red side up.
Lagomort 3 years ago
"cetaceans = dolphins, whales etc. Aquatic mammals. none of them have hair."
Whales may not have fur, but they often have hair, just greatly reduced. As for aquatic mammals, seals walruses and so on are aquatic mammals, and yes, they have hair,..some even have fur.
By the way, Great White sharks are considered warm blooded...they ain't mammals either...
Lagomort 3 years ago
Hair and warm blooded are not the defining traits. Mammals are based on the idea that they have mammalian glands, hence the name, "mammalian glands"
Lagomort 3 years ago
"ammals are based on the idea that they have mammalian glands"
ah damnit, of course, I wanted to say that, but wasn't 100% sure of it.
besides which, you're best off teaching lessons to cokecannn, you've taught me enough for one day ;)
AnarchyBegins 3 years ago
hey dumb shits guess what! "Marine mammals have hair. Cetaceans have little hair, usually a very few bristles retained around the head or mouth" copy and pasted this so you are all wrong and thats proof. and if mammalian gland makes an animal a mammal does the great white shark have one. yea didnt think so
cokecannn 3 years ago
come off it, you're trying to turn this around and not look like a retard.
when you said 'hair' you were referring to FUR.
just keep digging....
AnarchyBegins 3 years ago
does it matter they are the same thing.
cokecannn 3 years ago
this rotting dog likely has more fur/hair than any whale or dolphin....
AnarchyBegins 3 years ago
congratulations u figured it out! no one said it was a whale or dolphin. everything yall are saying im proving wrong so give it up
cokecannn 3 years ago
it looks like a pig or tapir or something... i don't thonks its a monster
nikkidustie 3 years ago
ANY PIT BULL OWNER KNOWS THAT THIS IS UNFORTUNATELY A PIT BULL THAT HAD BEEN ABUSED AND PUT INTO THE RIVER BEFORE OR AFTER DEATH!!! WATER CAUSES BLOATING, NAILS CONTINUEU TO GROW POST MORTEM AND THE HIS FACE IS DEFORMED DUE TO 1. The Bloating 2. The elements and 3. Most likely the unfortunate torture this poor guy endured prior to his passing!! =( GET A GRIP PEOPLE!! WORRY MORE ABOUT STOPPING THE ABUSE TO OUR ANIMAL FRIENDS AND LESS ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN GET FINANCIALLY FOR SCREAMING "MONSTER"
BabyGrlTina34 3 years ago
I agree w/u. I hate people who treat animals this way... What's WRONG with you people?!?! It's an effing dog that was abused! Whoever took this pic is just sick if they left the body there and never told anyone...
Shuukara 3 years ago
how could they take the picture and not tell anyone if its all over the internet and news, anyways it does look like an abused animal, that was beaten and deformed.
Tjmaster6Productions 3 years ago
Ok I see now, and that is freakin cruel...
Blackeangel 3 years ago
i agree they say its for a movie fang or something one the news they said but i think its a cover up so people would quit asking about it it looks amazing wouldnt mind trying to do an autopsy on it
scorcher0 3 years ago
what the fuck is this ? i think is an aliens pet? LOLZ
astroman9thepoper 3 years ago
its meg griffin
trillionthusername 3 years ago
a baby dragon
CalumniatTe 3 years ago
ITS A FREAKING RACCOON! I live in Long Island! We found it out already!
ParanoidToaster 3 years ago
its a dog,i think.But why are his arms tied up?
a bad joke from teenagers?
Y2Ando 3 years ago
it looks like"el chupacabras" hehehe bullshit its a dog all fucked up
vidroj 3 years ago
yea it has a beak and the front two arms has 2 long fingers
xRt66x 3 years ago
It does not have a beak, and it has the normal amount of digits, as many of the digits can be seen going into the sand..
Lagomort 3 years ago
Youre probably the gov tryin to cover this up
xRt66x 3 years ago
Yep xRt66x,..you got me.
I guess it is time to send out the Black Copters...
Lagomort 3 years ago
I see on your page that you like a lot of deep meaningful stuff, how can you be interested in that if you lack understanding.. you show that by your annoying rude comment.. it pissed me off.. soooo kiss some statue's ass poser
xRt66x 3 years ago
Please, do go on. Explain to me what it is I "lack understanding," about?
By the way, do you even know where the term "Understanding," comes from?
Lagomort 3 years ago
i think you mean the Men In Black bc this is some alien shit yo
igadevivas 3 years ago
It's a kangaroo!! LMAO
Akoshee 3 years ago
If this thing is legit, its almost certainly a small or medium-sized domestic dog of unknown breed.
Once creatures decompose, especially if in water, they can come out looking distinctly... odd.
Shavarnarak 3 years ago
It is not a dog.
Lagomort 3 years ago
Mr. Monkey's Uncle, glad to meet you...
The animal in the picture has carnassial teeth...Canines...and no gap between the bottom incisors and the first of the premolars (a diastema)
There is no rat in the history of rats with those traits.
It is a raccoon Mr. Monkey's Uncle.
Lagomort 3 years ago
OK, just wanted to make sure everyone here knew that this has always been a dead raccoon, the hands were never, "tied," and the pictures were all of the same animal, despite the belief by many that there were several animals involved.
Lagomort 3 years ago
There was a top secret Research/Military base in this area at one time. Could this be something to do with the experiments???
NAMZR160 3 years ago
..Could it be a beaver?
TXxPumpkinHeadxXT 3 years ago
doesn't look like the beaver I'm familiar with.
narox 3 years ago
No, it could not be a beaver...
Lagomort 3 years ago
its beautiful i like it, i will get one of those
emiandre 3 years ago
I will send it to you for Christmas
narox 3 years ago
lol
emiandre 3 years ago
Why dont we ask the person who found it originally? find them and ask them what they think and lets get the originall picutre. I dont this that it is. Unless that picture phone was high and damn good quality?!
straberrywine2003200 3 years ago
Search youtube for "720p montauk monster" and you can see the fly on it's back for scale.
beautiv 3 years ago
Beautiv
I have seen the pictures with the flies on it. How can you tell how long the fly is? Are you assuming? Flies vary in size greatly. Some are often several times large than many closely related flies. Also, angles obscure depth as one moves a 3D image into the 2D space of a picture. This distorts relative size greatly.
There is no way to tell by using the flies if the animal is 1 foot long, or 5 feet long. If you think you can, you are deluding yourself.
Lagomort 3 years ago
guys, it's a dog. just look at it. like a rotwieler or soemthin that got it's snout bashed in.
kevinetniesboy 3 years ago
it couldn't handle inter-dimensional travel
ZorrisPorris 3 years ago
Creepy whatever it is. I think portals are beginning to open up and all kinds of things are crossing over, little by little.
Thissiteisapain 3 years ago
Its a manbearpig.
philster08 3 years ago
are you cereal
alphaunit4 3 years ago
im super cereal this time guys!!!
philster08 3 years ago
no you morons its not a bearpigman its a manbearpig...lol that shits hilarious
flemshot22 3 years ago