Factory Five GTM Documentary

[TDIpowerification]

I need one of these cars!!!!!!!! If only I had more money :(

[DanFrederiksen]

go electric guys. a V8 is for hicks.

watch evtv.me and follow green.autoblog. com

[topgearulz]

@DanFrederiksen where does electricity come from??

[DanFrederiksen]

@topgearulz your mother, my ignorant thoughtless friend

[topgearulz]

@DanFrederiksen oh you don't know either?? hmm guess we got another frivolous greenie recyclopath trying to make the world worse

[DanFrederiksen]

@topgearulz wind turbines, solar panels, nuclear, waterfall.

if you have a bit of solar panels on the house roof you drive for free.

any questions shithead. or is it perhaps time to do a bit of thinking for once in your life

[hunghuge12]

@DanFrederiksen How many solar panels do I need to drive for free? And where can I get them?

[DanFrederiksen]

@hunghuge12 depends on how much you drive.

if you are handy you can make your own with the super cheap kits on ebay. like from seller fred480v. typically 350$ for 1kW of cells.

also depends on how sunny your region is and roof direction etc.

google around, educate yourself

you can also watch evtv.me on how to make your own electric car

[BulletBlazerSS]

dude.... 

[papermill2006]

I can't wait to order one. Hopefully they are still producing them in 3 years from now.

[Donking437]

one of the best looking cars i've seen in a while! Thumbs up!!

[jjo101]

man please, a corvette zr1 can easily destroy a enzo and u could get one for about 110k or used for like 90 or 80,

[theinvictus1]

i love how people who know nothing about cars proclaim things like " there is not was a 50k car could beat the precious enzo.... in overall feel no, in refinement no, but on a track or in a straight line of course a home built car with no a wet weight of 2300 pounds can beat an enzo... my neighbor has a ford pinto that will beat an enzo 0-60 or in the 1/4 mile... not that it means much.

[rev2xs]

@theinvictus1 According to Road & Track Magazine, this very GTM matches the Enzo in every department except for braking. But then again, this test car used STOCK Corvette C5 2 piston caliper brakes. So, put on the 6 piston anchors from the modern Z06 and you got the Enzo beat there too. And a 450hp ver of this car in Germany got a time of 1min 09 around Hockenhiemring short course. Matching the Mosler MT900 GT-R, Koenigsegg CCR, and the Porsche GT2. Its all online, have a look.

[snipinggod29]

all these ferrari fans are telling me im crazy, that there's no way a $50k car could beat their precious Enzo, but the fact is, they dont even know how many cylinders the enzo has, let alone be able to tell if a kit car can or cannot beat it. they dont realize that sometimes sweat equity toasts what their money can buy. even Enzo himself said he'd rather people be happy about the car being called a "Ferrari" and not about its performance, why buy a car from a company led by that statement?!?!

[bulletproofbullets]

I have a fully restored 66 mustang (289 w/ 3 speed automatic) and I barely fit in it. I am 6'7" about 260 lbs. I'm debating on ordering a GTM or MK4 from factory five. I'm really concerned about the fit. My knees touch the dash on a 2010 Corvette and I couldn't comfortably drive it. Is there any hope?

[scaryGTM]

Factory Five designed the GTM around a donor Corvette... it's almost a mid-engined rendition of a Corvette in many respects. It certainly runs with the 'attitude' of a vette - albeit in a mid-engined configuration. SIMPLY, NO OTHER ENGINE OTHER THAN AN LS-SERIES V8 IS SUITABLE FOR THE PURPOSE OR EXECUTION OF THE PURPOSE IN A GTM. You may as well consider a hybrid if you're considering a Rotary.

[nimaxx38]

do they make the car for you if they want i dont want them to just wondering



[snipinggod29]

ive never built a kit car but i feel ive worked on cars enough to put one together, the only thing i cant do well is body work, especially if this is fiberglass, but it's corvette engine, corvette suspension parts, all i need really is money, ive already got 3 full tool chests to play with, but a car that light id only put a 350 - 400hp ls1 in, it'll already be faster than a $117,000 corvette ZR1 and fuel mileage wont kill your drives

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 "but a car that light id only put a 350 - 400hp ls1 in, it'll already be faster than a $117,000 corvette ZR1".................. Sensible. Anyone who knows weight:hp realizes that anything much over 500 Hp in a car weighing as little as a GTM is fundamentally unusable in most situations.

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM there is one kit car though that i plan on going all out on, and that's an RCR SC-L, it weighs 2375 with all the fluids and no driver, but i plan on putting in an LS9 with a ricardo trans, but it is a strictly race only car, there's no reason to put that on the street. the only tires i found to fit the SL-C are Kumho racing slicks, so i think it'll be an alright drive

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 The Superlite in race dress is probably the only exception where more than 500 Hp will be appropriate. I know someone building one for the road and he's sticking with a stock LS376 which will be more than enough, but for track only use with slicks, you're totally fine. The GTM is more of a road car which can be used on a track, whereas the SLC is definitely a track car sometimes okay for the road! You sound as though you know what you're doing!

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM thank you! im 17 and ive lived around cars all my life, the only thing that will hold me back is military pay hahaha. the SL-C is a car that costs about $40,000 more than the GTM to build, so ill have to wait about 10 years untill my pay starts to get around $4250 per month. i love the GTM though, and i already bought, the Manual on how to build it. the wiring seems a bit tricky, but as long as i pay attention to the manual, ill be just fine. GTM gets better mpg than my '76 chevy truck

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 You've got plenty of time - unless gas costs $10 a gallon, and/or they've legislated/taxed against 'economically inefficient' cars by then. Yea - an SLC will realistically need about 40k more investment. Depends on your requirements... typically - GTM for road, SLC for track, but knowing exactly how to set each up is the trick to building one well. Either way, you'll do fine. The LS engines are the best for power & economy - as popular as they are, they are still underrated!

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM haha, i know what you mean. my step dad took me for a ride in a 2007 Dodge Magnum RT with a hemi, i remember how exciting 0-60 in 6.5 felt. but for a 360hp 4200lb car that was pretty good. and i see what youre saying, i plan on saving over a period of 4 years, untill you have about 6-7 years you really only get paid $20-$27K per year, but i cant wait to build it, i love the new Gen 2, ive talked about it for the past month. are you an Employee of FFR? just wondering.

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 It's always a case of weight to Hp... Lotus UK have always understood that, and the trick to a really well-balanced car is knowing exactly what you're working with and having vision. As nice as many production cars are, they are too heavy... take Mustang for example - even the Shelby version needs so much power to live with the competition; Corvette has a huge natural advantage in weighing less. Gen 2 GTM is nice, but just a tweaked Gen 1 really. No... I've just owned a few cars.

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM well, either way maybe you could still help me, ive seen pictures of the Gen 2 and it has simpson 4 point harnesses in it, but in the manual it only shows mounting points for the 3 point belts from the Vette, when i do have the money, i will put the 4 points in. do they come with the kit or do i need them from somewhere else?

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 As far as I know Gen 1 and Gen 2 ship with 3-point - you'll be looking elsewhere for 4. 4-point is generally an owner specification going beyond standard spec.

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM eh, either way, the 4 points will only be an extra $150 each, and i agree, i dont think i would ever buy a production car from a performance standpoint, theyre just too damn heavy to do anything without performing major modifications and it just gets too pricey to turn say a $35,000 mustang into a competative corner carver. however, i love my performance but i wouldnt mind having a Volt for a daily driver, but my passion is for a '69 Chevelle SS L78

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 Worth the investment. The thing that gets me is this type of equipment is real race equipment - quality stuff that few production brands will supply for their production cars. This goes with what you are saying about production cars being too heavy.... for the most part, production cars have to conform to a level of over-regulated mediocrity. The GTM's design is pure quality. Production performance for the masses is either compromised, mediocre or over-priced, for the most part.

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM i could not have said it better myself, production cars are great cars for the purpose they were built. but to get a production car to go as fast as a kit car would take about $100,000 - $150,000 including the price of the car, and by that point youve completly deviated away from what the car was like in the first place to the point where it's not the same car and more than 50% of the car has been changed and the other 50% has been removed.

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 The only production car I think has a good performance/quality/value ratio is the Z06 Corvette, and the GTM uses the best of the Corvette with FF's own engineering excellence to offer something superior to everything even close to the final cost. Where's the downside there? Modifying production cars is never worth it - it never ends-up making sense either practically or financially, and the 'uniqueness' factor ends-up coming at a huge premium. NEVER worth it.

[snipinggod29]

@scaryGTM also, from a restorer's standpoint, i hate making modifications to perfectly road worth cars, which 20 to 30 years down the road, someone might want to restore, id rather use the parts off of an already beat up car to complete something that is even better, those parts might have never been used again, but the GTM and other Kit cars allow anyone to get more fun out of their money than anyone. the only production car id rather have over a kit car, is the Pagini Zonda R.

[scaryGTM]

@snipinggod29 Money in has proportional value to fun out, I think. That was true when I used to play around with hot rods, and it still holds true now with the GTM. When the core value of a super-high dollar car can be had in the money you'd expect to pay for a typical luxury-sports sedan, there lies a true sense of fun and accomplishment. While most people would like to be rich and go to dealerships and write big checks for exotic cars, there's little accomplishment or appreciation involved.

[Zaspar3003]

I like the Apple sound effects... lol

[carmodifire]

Need a 4 rotor turbo, like the Lemans-banned Mazda.

[potzahasee01]

@carmodifire If I remember right the 26b was N/A.

[carmodifire]

@potzahasee01 No, it was called the R26B (not to be confused with the Skyline's RB26 I6) and was a turbo 700hp. &00 might not sound like a lot, but keep in mind, it had to run at full for 24 hours straight.

[potzahasee01]

@carmodifire Yes that is true, but most people just call it a 26b. There is no need for the R because it just stands for rotary, and with it only popping up when talking about rotary most people just drop the R.

No it did not have any turbos, it was a peripheral port naturally aspirated motor. It did have a max out put of 930hp @ 10,500rpm, but Mazda did not want to run that high of RPM's for reliability reasons. I still cant believe 930hp out of a 2.6l! Its still astounding to me to this day.

[TheStig000]

Someone build me one of these!

[zzap999]

So how long from the time of purchase does the kit arrive at your home?

[zzap999]

So how long from the time of purchase does the kit arrive to your home?

[mattingly50187]

@zzap999 i think its 6-9 weeks

[shadowforce9]

listen to what im saying i have research on every part and found a site with ls7 engine and im thinking about modifying the engine with a fast intake and throttlebody will add 20bhp and heads and cam will add 100 plus the intake filter im looking at around 650bhp if you diy it you will have a $50000 project these is including c6 z06 brakes new Aluminum Radiator porsche transaxle plus everything else for less than $50,000 you will be making more horsepower 0-60 top speed claims higher

[leloodallasmultipass]

maybe next time bring a real camera instead of strapping your phone to your erect weiner.

[3089280288]

Now that's a car that can compete with a Tesla roadster once you spec it out right and you might save $50 grand in the process.

[bordenwesley]

@3089280288 Dude, it'll lay waste to the Tesla Roadster.

[Porscheeater10]

Wow Jim...I guess nobody can test drive your "Kit car" other than you....Good luck selling it....You probably lose 30% if your sales by not allowing people to experince "the drive", unless ofcourse you have something to hide?

[netshop01]

What an absolutely horrible editing job of the video. Horrible. Too bad. Why don't you send the video to someone who can properly edit it?

[iseey0o2]

i work here :)

[BobD1001]

SO LUCKY!!!!

[112namrepus]

Fuck you arguing bitches! Go back into your mom's basement and shut the fuck up!

[bsg1206]

He makes a big deal about how hard it is to build one of these. How much harder to build could it be than a kit aircraft? Beginners do that all the time.

[FourG6397GST]

True, but not everyone has that hands on gift. Not everyone can program a VCR either

[TaylorMarks1]

Speeding in a construction zone.

[Hardwyre]

"Oh hey, I want to merge.."

[airsierra]

GREAT CAR! I have been looking at them for about 2 years. Received my info packet about 1 year ago, I plan on buying in the next year. I will be buy the LS7 kit, due to if I'm going to build it, its going to be right for me the first time.

[JellyBird12]

damn that Looks good.

[newbsauce94]

i was just gonna comment that lol

[TheOfficialKC]

This car is so sick. But I can't decide which car to build. The GTM or an Ultima GTR. Both are kits and both are fast and both use Corvette engines. So which should I build?

[hotrodhendrix]

Why does he say it comes with brake lines etc etc etc. Basicly everything besides engine, transmission and rear end. But when you look at the donor parts list it includes everything from suspension to fuel. Im confused??

[mzsidi]

yea when i can afford to get one i will. Theres nothing better than saying i built this myself these cars are sweet

[potzahasee01]

hahaha He is just like a little kid! One of the luckiest guy in the world.

I cant wait to make one of my own... but I would do things just a little bit different, like putting in a 20B rotary motor having paddle gearbox ... ect ect.

[Paperairpain]

I have no idea why people would put thums down to your idea.The rotary motor is kind of a neat idea.Putting a light motor like a rotary that in a car that is 2300lbs with a V8 in it,you might get under 2000lbs or more?From what I can get 20bs can get some power to them,so why not?Plus the nose rotary's make at 9000RPM are just amazing! IDK if it be worth it for a the cash you would have to shell out to make it if or if you can get a higher acceleration.I hope you try.its one more GTM out there.

[potzahasee01]

@Paperairpain Thanks seemed some did not like the idea haha. So far the project is going good... that is if planing out the budget is good haha Porsche trans is killing it right now, and wanting to do the motor right its probably going to take 2 more years. Plans for the 20b are good size street port, aluminum end housings to make it even lighter... and other stuff only rotards would know haha should land 500+ depending on how much boost wanting to run.

[potzahasee01]

Right now I am just worried about how to keep her cool with the GTM body work. and the motor is going to cost as much if not more then then the whole kit.And then add the cost of the tunes on that its going to be a lot to say the least.Now my dad has been joking around and said I should come home and make him one haha and how we should just make 2 of them cuz he knows that the rotary motor can have its...problems to say the least. He wants to do the other one with a LS9!"make it reliable"lol

[Paperairpain]

@potzahasee01 If you can do it and afford it, do it! And if you make one for your dad he is one lucky SOB to have you as a kid. But if you put a LS9 in his your going to have to push your 20b over 620hp cus you don't want to give your old man a car with more HP, but for real the 4th of July would be awesome at your house with both of them sitting in the driveway. be a neat comparison and fun to see who's faster. I look froward to your "Rx-GTM Vs LS9-GTM" videos. Good luck mate.

[redhot916spd]

well probably because my stock motor zx-14 puts out more wheel hp than an rx8 motor. Everyone understands you can add turbo's and race gas to make them fast, but honestly the people that buy these cars want a pump gas car with atleast 500whp, so they can get gas at any gas station

[redhot916spd]

my bike put down 180@ rwhp and a local had his rx8 dyno'ed and it put 178@the wheels, those cars are dogs

[Paperairpain]

Well when it comes down to it its the love of cars and the motor,if you love rotary then it be worth it to put it in but if you like american muscle then the LS series would be worth it.Now the Rotarys have its own problems like most people dont know how to work on them so your kind of left with a large bill on getting it worked on if you dont know how to do it your self. But the LS every one knows how to work on it, plus your MPGs are just a bit better.But potza would both really only cost 25k?

[redhot916spd]

the cheap way to go is 6.0 iron truck block with a forged rotating assembly , ported lq9 heads with a good port and a 88mm turbo, you can make a 1200whp on e-85, or about 800whp on pump gas

[FourG6397GST]

right, screw turning and stopping

[redhot916spd]

I'm sure it would stop and turn just fine for me. I just want a stable 200+ platform

[FourG6397GST]

Doesn't like this car is for you then. The money you save on the motor, will have to go into building the trans. easy 10k right there.

I'll just get a supra if thats all you want

[potzahasee01]

Hmm... well when it comes down to it realy we are making a super car with this kit. Super cars and kit cars should stand out and be different... no? I think the rotary would be cool in a car like this and when making a car like this cash don't realy matter even if it is 70K to 80K the point is I have made something just how I wanted. Now I know the weight would be close to if not more then the LS with the radiators and intercooler's but all well it still be a fun car to have...

[potzahasee01]

and the most fun about a kit car is making the car and the trip to get it working how i wan it to any way. I not like most rotards who get all pissed at guys who put V8 in Rx7 its not my thing but i can under stand why they would do it. But I like the sound of a rotary and the feel of how it drives and like Paperair said its about the love of the car and the motor. Why did you say a supra? Who would want a Toyota? all of them have the personality of a toaster...

[FourG6397GST]

oh an the supra comment was to guy who only cared to be stable at 200+mph. If you arent familiar with the "Texas mile", the Supra pretty much dominates that class with 200+mph cars

[redhot916spd]

@FourG6397GST fuck a supra, I don't want a car that has to be powered by race gas to knock out 200mph. You bring up Sw's "dominate" car, hey genius did you recognize that car was block filled with concrete and would make for shit street manners with lil coolant in the car. I want a pump gas a/c car with excellent handling manners and something far removed from you fast and furious goof balls. I prefer a car like this or the Ultima, Vette,Viper etc...

[FourG6397GST]

haha, I have a Z06, i'm far from a F&F goof ball, concrete in the block is just extreme, obviously a street car wont do that and race gas is just cheap insurance in most case, but good luck going 200 on the street

[redhot916spd]

@FourG6397GST obviously a street car won't do what?,in addition, never said you were a f and f goof ball.

[FourG6397GST]

guess it depends on the definition of "supercar", to me an factory five, its function first, cool factor second. It just wont perform or handle the same with a rotary, not because the with difference, but the power/torque curve of the motor, peaky power is such a light car will make it tail happy an more of a handful to drive ruining the "handling", but I respect your opinion :), your car, your choice.

[vfIskullangel]

You'll spend much more on a Supra than this.

[FourG6397GST]

Typical weight difference between the 13B and and LS aluminum V8 is +/- 40 ish lbs. depending on the setup. a 20B will obviously be heavier. I know its a hard concept to conceive if you're an RX7 fan, an ignorant towards the V8, but do some research

[Paperairpain]

I am a car fan my friend haha I love car's! Rotary or piston it don't matter, I don't do lots and lots of work on cars so no I would not know the weight difference, and when i have done work it has not been with any aluminum blocks so... what I am used to its abit more heavy. V8 Rotary it don't matter its the love of cars.

[JgHaverty]

@Paperairpain

1) Rotaries are hellaciously unreliable. LS motors from GM run for 150-200k miles no problem.

2) that 6.0L V8 produces an epic amount of power. For little money, you have a RELIABLE 600whp car. YES rotaries can make insane power, but they cost a lot and break down too often.

3) a 20B and LS1 cost around the same.

The ls is a superior engine in every way except for its "uniqueness".

[Paperairpain]

@Haverty

1) I have seen lots of Rx7 with over 200k with no rebuilds, if you take care of the motor like you should they will last.

2) what I have read yes you are right, for less money you can build more power with a LS. But I disagree on the reliability, if you don't drive it like a 16y/o who just got the keys and drive it like you stole it every day and you take car of it, it should be just as reliable.

3) For full built motors they would be just about the same, so if you know rotary why not?

[mentor2506]

@JgHaverty i detect bias in your comment. You clearly believe that a v8 is better than a rotor.

1. Rotors are easier to repair as they only have a handful of moving parts; the rest are rubber seals

2. The power/displacement ratio of a rotor are much higher than a 6.0 LS2;however, the LS2 has a lot more tq

3. Rotors have been recognized as easily maintained, long lasting motors they are simple, small displacement, high mpg, easy to boost, and can handle 500+whp on stock seals

4. It's all opinion

[fatdan172501]

@Paperairpain i agree only down side is the money to make a rotory worth it.

[dublinfighter]

@Paperairpain that is a great idea! even the 2rotor would do well

[redghost105]

@Paperairpain rotors burn up so much oil though, and you produce more horsepower with the space you use with a regular cylinder engine

[Paperairpain]

@redghost105 Its not about burning oil or necessarily about making more power, but something unique and different. Anyone could toss a LSx motor in to a car and get it to work, but the ones who will take the time and put a rotary in should get praise. Yes its little more work and you might not get the same power out put as easy, but at the end of the day that little extra will put just that much more pride in to it. Or maybe it is about burning a little more oil as a F-you to tree hugger lol

[scaryGTM]

@Paperairpain In the words of Dave Smith....... "It's a dry sump - aluminum block... it's a sick, sick engine". He's saying that of the LS-series V8 that the GTM is DESIGNED to be built with......... the engine most people agree is as much the heart and soul of a GTM, as it is the Corvette. That's PRECISELY why the Rotary engine idea is getting thumbs-down.

[potzahasee01]

@scary Remember the Corvette was almost a rotary too, but for some reason they could not get the 400cu (6.5l) rotary to be economical lol. He is talking about a LS7 thats 14k, a 20b will only cost you 4k. Put 5K in to porting and a single turbo swap and you will be at 500hp or a little more. Like you said to another you don't need much more then 500hp any way. I like the rotary idea for the same reason I like the GTM, its different! Come on Rotary+GTM =even more unique and special than LSx GTM.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 Things worked out just fine for the Corvette. The Small Block of today has a long and enviable history of proven success which has defined Corvette and all-things 'powerfully American'. If cost deters on an LS7, an LS376 is a big saving with little difference in power. The LS engines in general define this application and the GTM is as definably-American as the SBC and Corvette. Rotary engines are foreign in every sense of the word, and that type of 'unique' is not good for a GTM.

[potzahasee01]

@scaryGTM With how much talk and hype you put in to American built stuff I can tell you are in or going in to the military lol. I don't enjoy the American V8 sound, I enjoy Ferrari's and higher revs. For someone looking at a kit cars you dont seem to get the idea of a kit car. The idea of a kit car is to make something that looks good, cheap, fast as shit, unique and make you feel like a little kid. There is no such thing as a bad type of unique in the kit car world, thats just narrow minded.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 Not so, friend - stereotypes don't work in every case that you'd like/expect them to. I do love the V8 and other intelligent people do, also. The GTM is not your 'traditional' kit car - it is far better engineered with specific configurations in mind. I feel it is you who doesn't understand the GTM. I understand EXACTLY what kit cars are often-times, which is why I would have settled for a Corvette had the GTM not been such an excellent departure from the usual 'kit car' stuff.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 There IS INDEED such a thing as a bad type of a unique vehicle - a poorly designed one, where drivetrain characteristics do not fit with the overall engineering vision. Many 'kit cars' with their re-bodied Fiero approach are perfect examples of BAD 'unique' vehicles. Just ask how many professional GTM builders would consider a Rotary engine for the GTM.... you'll get your answer right there. The revs you speak of add nothing to the already superior characteristics provided by an LS

[potzahasee01]

Is that why the rotary gets banned from racing so much? Rotarys win! Just because no one has done it dose not mean its a bad idea. They want to make a cheap car for people to make, so they can make more money. They took as many parts off the shelf as possible to keep cost down. A Rx-GTM vs normal GTM the Rx-GTM will get more looks and ask about more at a show. Oh and reboding a Fiero is not a "kit car" lol people who do that are stupid lol.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 There are plenty of bad kit cars around - many have been produced by companies which have gone underwater. Even FF stated that the GTM is not a 'kit car' as most people understand the term. The bottom-line is that the GTM is engineered specifically with proven, outstanding Vette performance/reliability... any LS in a GTM will far surpass the power quota for 'outstanding' performance in supercar terms. If you're attention-seeking at shows, use a Rotary if it makes you feel better.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 Turbo-charging is not particularly American - it's more Japanese/European. As for the sound of a Rotary... nothing much to get inspired about there. Factory Five know exactly what they're doing, and most people wouldn't change a single thing about the way their GTM kits are designed. If you must have something without an LS-series V8, I hear they have a new kit for a Subaru-sourced power-train. It's of no interest to me, though - for all American 'Hot Rods', the V8 is irreplaceable

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 The Rotary remains a frequently abandoned - if sometimes resurrected oddball engine in the automotive world. It has a history of trials which have ultimately ended, if not necessarily due to abject failure as such. Of the few American cars built with Rotaries, none have lived to tell the tale through an awe-inspiring story of their uniqueness. Be different by all means, and build a car your way.... just don't expect the majority of us to feel the same way. If it ain't broke.....

[potzahasee01]

@scaryGTM 90% of the time I am with you! The sound of a N/A motor is 100000x's better then a turbo or supercharged exhaust note. I love the sound of a high rev'ing rotary motor, it dose get me inspired. I know a few guys with Hot Rods with rotarys and they "mop the floor" (1.5 -2 car lengths) compared to the V8's. Both classy as hell, V8s always get the jump off the line but when the rev's get up the rotors blow past. I dont see your problem with rotarys? They are good motors when dont right.

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 Again, who am I to shoot down your dream? Go for it. But until we can determine an 'ultimate' state of tune for both V8 and Rotary, I will safely presume that a V8 reaches dizzier heights of performance... at what point can one man's V8 32 be compared with another man's Rotary 32? Same Hp at the wheels? Weight? Same transmission... tires? Simply, I don't see why anyone would suggest another engine for the GTM; if Vette owners are ousting their SBs for Rotaries, maybe I'll rethink!

[potzahasee01]

@scaryGTM I had Rx cars all my life, the way they drive and deliver power it’s so different and enjoyable, its almost like a sports bike. Idk how to put it, but if you do your GTM and I do mine I would love to put them on a track for a good old race :)

[scaryGTM]

@potzahasee01 Aside from any engine which powers a GTM, if you can effectively put down all of the performance that 500+ Hp gives it, it'll be an accomplishment in itself. That power-potential exists today in any GTM which is real and on the road as of right now - and I'm betting all-such cars will have LS series engines in them. Yours is a choice dictated by a need to be different - and that's fine for whatever it's worth to you.

[Paperairpain]

@scaryGTM The LS7 is a vary "sick engine" and the GTM is designed for it, but I enjoy "hot rods and customs" more of the latter. I love cars with a diffident motor. Rotary motors I know have a bad rep, but how much of that rep is people pushing and testing how far they can go with out paying anything? How much of that is not knowing how to take care of it? How much of that rep is a 16 year olds 1st car? The motor is not perfect, but I think a LSx GTM Vs a Rx-GTM they would be equals.

[scaryGTM]

@Paperairpain Hot Rods/Customs (in a traditional sense) are not powered by anything other than V8s. I have known no hot rodder with a Rotary engine in a 32 Ford. The GTM is simply a Hot Rod in a modern, well-engineered guise... if you know hot rods, you'll also know that the one thing which tends NOT to vary is the V8! Your dreams are yours; I just absolutely, positively & unequivocally don't share them, that's all - and neither do the other 'thumbs downs' who probably aren't military, either!

[Paperairpain]

Thats what I love about customs! No "normal" a V8 of some kind yes, but still dont mean there are non with a rotary. I love reading guys go back and fourth about rotarys lol I think no idea should be shot down, for all we know a RxGTM might be fast? Who knows it may be possible. At the end of the day its about the joy of building the car and being able to share the hard work. Some get having tattoos some dont, and you will never be able to explain it to the ones that dont, same goes with rotors.

[Paperairpain]

@scaryGTM As for the military, I did my 10 years :)

[scaryGTM]

@Paperairpain Fair dues.... I don't know anyone in the Military, but I do know many, many V8 lovers who are unashamedly so, and for good reason by my reasoning. Anyway.... good luck with your project - having fun and suiting yourself is one of the few perks in life.

[Paperairpain]

@scaryGTM I might get around to a GTM one day, but for now its a Opel GT with a oddly enough a Mazda motor but its a V6 lol. Hope you get to do a Ls7 GTM, it would be sick.

[scaryGTM]

@Paperairpain LS7s are a bit pricey right now. Even the underestimated LS6 is extremely wild in a GTM. Good luck with your project.

[pLaTiNumSR20]

"so your coming up on traffic and your like...gee..I wanna merge" LMAO!!!

[crispiegee1]

Love that bronze & black one.

[viperq]

I so want one.

[Uber1nsane]

Seems like too much work to build. There are just too many minor parts not included that you have to find yourself.... :(

[arexeight]

That's precisely the point.

[DMon3y69]

that's the point, you build the whole car yourself, that's the best part, it YOUR car, one of a kind

[iimatthiesii]

Factory Five Racing is my all time favorite car company! Hope to be part of the FFR community someday and build my own GTM!

GTM will always be my favorite...definitely a "masterpiece", a work of art...