yeah but what goes through my head, what if more than 1 person was there. yeah lets see a bjj guy try being on the ground with atleast 2 ppl. yea.... Traditional martial arts are better.
@lightangelken1 The only style that actually works against several attackers is boxing. You can even find some vids on youtube. Besides, try defending yourself against more than one. It's not as easy at it sounds.
That kung fu guy had no freaking clue how to fight off his back. Stop trying to mimic tigers and cranes and start learning how to fight like a real man.
Olympic wrestling, judo, BJJ, boxing, Muay Thai........these are real styles.
@TheGoogler77 Kung fu has been being used as defense for longer than any of those styles aside from wrestling and i rarely see wrestling used as defense. The BJJ dude was right off the bat more aggro and confident. Its def the fighter not the style. BJJ was developed specifically for sport fighting. All of those forms have meaning and practical use. Also KF has bee watered down over generations. You have "no freaking clue what youre talking about." Its the fighter not the style.
@liftthecurse Grappling is one of the oldest sports and forms of fighting in mankind's history. That's why it's so effective in sport and on the streets.
Kung-fu has no defense against kicks, punches, and grappling in a full-contact setting. The only style of "kung-fu" that looks effective is Sanda.
Fighting like a crane, tiger, or mantis is a pointless endeavor and impractical.
@TheGoogler77 There's a reason why Kung Fu was taught to China's armies and police force for thousands of years. There's a reason why Mao's guerrillas killed so many Japanese soldiers with swords instead of guns. There's a reason why wrestling in Greece and Mesoamerica was restricted to sporting events and not war.
Grappling styles are a great way to immobilize your opponent, but if you're fighting two guys, or your opponent finds a rock on the ground, it's over for you.
@TheGoogler77 You seem so opinionated about Kung Fu, but you apparently don't know much beyond the type of Kung Fu glamorized in modern Hong Kong action films.
If you actually took the time to examine the older styles of Kung Fu, you'd find that it actually greatly resembles modern Krav Maga.
Don't bother with modern Wushu schools, though. Form based tournament Kung Fu is a performance art, not a military discipline.
@ZomBLord I studied wing chun for a few months and read a couple of books on KF. Many of the older styles of KF were started by "families" and many were based on fighting like an insect, a bird, a cat, or a dragon (a non-existent creature, makes me wonder what dragon style comes from).
And can you tell me which styles of KF are "miltary-bases?"
@TheGoogler77 I think I see the problem here. Your main problem is with the animal hand techniques. Perhaps you should examine them more closely. The eagle claw and leopard paw are both essentially the same as grabbing. The (Northern; I know very little of southern styles) eagle claw is suited to grab the trachea and pull it outward, whilst crushing it (you'll remember I mentioned we train our fingers to be as strong as we can make them).
@TheGoogler77 Then why use them to discount the whole range of Kung Fu? You said that Kung Fu practitioners should "stop trying to mimic animals" and "fight like a man", so if you have no problem with the animal-like techniques (the animal names were just describing the techniques, not the bases of them), then what is your problem with the style?
You can't discount a whole style because you don't like certain techniques. That's disrespectful and ignorant.
@ZomBLord 1. Grasping and clawing at something (like your eyes) has nothing to do with animal mimicry. It's a natural technique, especially if someone is in a desperate situation. In other words, you can learn throat grabs and eyes gouges without learning "animal claw" kung fu.
2. It's not easy to use those techniques against someone who's trying to knock you out and knows how to fight. Like the video above.
3. Awkward stances and one-dimensionalism of KF turns me off.
@TheGoogler77 1. It's never been about animal mimicry. Those are just descriptive terms. The whole "monks basing everything off of animals" is just a legend, nothing more. And no, they're not unique to Kung Fu. Few techniques are unique to their respective discipline.
2. It is easy. It's very easy. The man in the video had a forward facing stance and no gaurd up, and his kick was off balance; I doubt he had any real skill in anything.
@TheGoogler77 3. See my previous comment: "The stancework you see in all the fancy forms serves little purpose other than conditioning. While it provides very good conditioning, it is abandoned in actual combat, with a few exceptions."
There are only 3 stances: forward, balanced, and back.
I'm not sure what you mean by "one dimensionalism". Wing Chun certainly is one dimensional. Toe-to-toe stances, and almost all arm techniques. Most other styles are pretty broad, though.
@TheGoogler77 And if the styles you listed are the "only real styles" and the style I practice isn't "fighting like a man", of course that's going to generate a competitive atmosphere. Boldly insults are hardly passive.
@TheGoogler77 I dislike the "hugging" moves in styles such as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but I recognize that many of the techniques are useful, just not the ones that immobilize the opponent, but leave you both vulnerable.
But in every street fight I've seen, striking has been more useful than ground grappling.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't encompass all of fighting effectively, so before you insult another, much older school, you should first recognize that your own isn't perfect.
@ZomBLord At least BJJ has been battled tested in real street fights and NHB/Vale Tudo matches. Can't say the same thing for traditional kung fu. Now Sanda/Sanshou is another story.
@TheGoogler77 Also, Wing-Chun is not a very good style to judge Kung Fu on. Wing Chun is all about the arms, and offers little knowledge of other aspects of fighting. Wing Chun is something that should not be used on its own.
Also, there are plenty of Kung Fu styles that teach Grappling. Shaolin Changquan and Taijiquan both offer teaching in grappling techniques.
@TheGoogler77 But you make some very good points. A lot of modern Kung Fu schools, particularly those involved heavily in tournaments don't teach actual techniques, and are more concerned with looking impressive and winning point sparring matches.
It is very disappointing to see what Chinese Martial Arts have dwindled down to, but if you can find a traditional school, I am certain you will find that Kung Fu IS a "real style" as you put it.
@TheGoogler77 The leopard paw grabs the wrist, and uses the knuckles to cause pain to the softer underside of the wrist. It also noticeably improves traction when pulling the wrist backwards or pushing it forward, at the expense of a strong grip when your opponent moves his writs vertically; however, it is implied that you will not give your opponent the chance to do that.
@TheGoogler77 The tiger claw is actually three techniques performed in sequence. It starts with a simple palm strike (far more useful than fists, and much less likely to hurt your hand) and then gouges and scratches. It causes blunt trauma and severe pain, but its only really practical use is gouging out eyes and tearing the face.
The praying mantis stuff is great for striking soft spots and pressure points, but not for much else.
@TheGoogler77 Crane's beak and phoenix eye are both designed to strike a smaller space, increasing the pressure applied by the blow. The placement of fingers in crane's beak also add integrity to the blow, making it less likely to hurt your hand. It also conveniently allows you to fit all of your fingertips into a space the size of the average human eye socket (hint hint).
But those are nothing more than different ways to hit people. They aren't that different from other strikes.
@TheGoogler77 The stancework you see in all the fancy forms serves little purpose other than conditioning. While it provides very good conditioning, it is abandoned in actual combat, with a few exceptions.
Kneeling horse is a manner of trapping your opponent's arm/leg/neck with your legs, so you can hit him/her, or pull out a weapon and execute him/her.
Cat stance puts literally no weight on the front leg. It's a feint, and has saved me from several takedowns in the past.
@liftthecurse First of all, kung fu was created several hundreds of years AFTER the fall of the Roman Empire. Pankration and boxing existed looooong before kung fu. Second, are you admitting that kung fu is useless against a more agressive/confident grappler? Finally, if KF has been diluted over the years, where is the real thing?
@TheGoogler77 Generally, advanced in most Kung Fu styles, when you're grounded, you're taught to jab the pressure points on your opponent's neck and kill him. Unfortunately... that doesn't tend to be looked very kindly upon in school fights.
@ZomBLord the only way you can kill a man is by crushing the trachea, and that ain't easy. Another way is to apply a choke hold for more than 10 secs.
@TheGoogler77 There are also the eyes and the temples. But then, remember, we're not talking about blunt trauma here. There's a reason why Kung Fu conditions the fingers as much as any other part of the body.
@ZomBLord The eyes definitely, but you would have to really dig deep. Temples? Not so much. Many WW2 era marines can tell you that eyes and throat are the only two ways to kill a man bent on killing you. And there's no evidence that "dim mak" is real.
ju jitsu is gay people assume because one person got tackeld once it always happens that way plus if u ever get jumped the last thing you want to do is get down with both peoples heads near the pavement also almost every martial art teaches u to take out multiple attakers
As someone who experiences real world violence daily, I have to say most of the comments here are being made by people who do not know fighting. In the real world there are no rules. Your opponent may pull out a knife and stab you with it. He may have friends that will try and kick your head in. You may be injured. You may be carrying something like groceries, child etc. You may be in a compromising position when attacked. To you MA nuthuggers: there is training to help in those situations.
Not likely. Only noobs would damage their knees. Of course concrete is going to give you a lot of grazes and some knee pain but so what? Its not the end of the world, and it wont interupt the fight in any way.
Plus, the adrenaline removes the little pain that would normally be felt.
These are a few i have seen with martial artists defending against multiple opponents. Please reply and tell me your thoughts on this if this isn't too late =P
Jiu jitsu what a joke.. That's one of the styles I don't like. They can't fight on their feet. Just ground. That's like wrestling. No good.. Nothing like box, jeet kune do, wing chun those r the ones good to learn..
@mrpeej20 So your saying that its shit because they only fight on the ground? Its likely that you have a 90% of going to the ground in a fight, and thus Jiu Jitsu gives you more power over the opponent.
@miguelmstewie I've seen a mma fighter ko 4-5 guys that tried to jump him. He used a bit of muay thai to ko a few.. he judo slammed 1 guy right onto the road and put him to sleep. It took him half hour to regain conciousness and wipe off all the blood that was coming out of his face. I guess it just depends on the fighter and who they're fighting!!
woa. why are so many people offended. any form is as good as another, mma, kung fu, thai boxing, sambo. what matters is the individual. just because it isnt your preferred form and dont understand how others may doesnt mean its bad or crappy. believing these things just proves an ignorance. use all tools to better yourself. if you can learn something new from a different artform its good. if you choose not to that is the only true way to lose. winning a fight doesnt matter. winning in life does
Get a promoter to make the event, for real, not paying someone to job out to the other. I put my money on old world martial arts with old world men that perform super human feats. Bruce Lee would have mopped the floor with your people. I also put my money on those Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) that know Sambo.
@megalife21 actually the spetsnaz do a lot of systema and that really is a load of ****. And sambo is a mixed martial art and some of the best MMA fighters come from Sambo camps.
@TheGodFatherChair If you come across real Ninjutsu and are dedicated, you learn how to defend against multiple attackers in no rules. But most of the guys i know who can take out a group of guys single handed are a small percentage of naturally gifted fighters.
I like to see Mr. Gracey style Brazilian jujitsu expert or an MMA world champion challenge and try to take out a kung fu grande master trained at the temple of Shaolin. Those guys are supermen. They would probably stop his heart or shatter his rib cage with one lightning shot to the sternum. Then we will see just how macho they are.
GF guy should have never started out with an attempted kick. Be smart in your offense. An initial strike to the face would have made the bjj guy think twice about movin in.
charade degrades the history of what legitimate GongFu has proven effectively on the battlefields for thousands of years. Unfortunately, many schools do not train in a realistic regimen to meet real world situations. And so, I must fully agree that the GongFu will always fall short until the teachers are true fighters themselves. Only then can the essential essence of GongFu be fully appreciated.
It is a proven fact, that an individual will fight how they have been trained.
This is simply a case of the untrained and inexperienced biting off more than he could handle and understand to deal with. He was totally unqualified to meet this challenge. Though GongFu has the arsenal to deal with any situation, most are unwilling to risk the possibility of injury that required to acquire that level of expertise. This is in NO way.........a fair representation of a well-rounded and comprehensively trained GongFu fighter and practitioner at work at his craft.
First.....it must be recognized that Sean ( definitely!! not a master--only in his imagination) was totally destitute of legitimate GongFu training.
And it is his so-called instructor who is responsible for his lack of practical training and should bear the full brunt of the ridicule being directed, deservingly so, at Sean. The instructor should have been run out of the teaching community for allowing this farce to take place and smearing the effectiveness of legitimate Chinese fighting ....
you think you can stay up 30% of the time with that guy tryin to get you down? lol, youve never worked w/ a wrestler / sub grappler / BJJ. and please, teach us all the fatal stand up blow, LMAO. too many movies kid
@Ebiss77 wrong? Okay Jedi master... Elaborate. I was stationed in Japan and have been to many places in Asia to see up close and personal what works and what doesn't... It's different for every skill and fighter. I bet you'll tell me next that a Thai fighter (real Thai fighter) who has been training since 6yrs would allow this to happen. Wrong!
@miguelmstewie Why do you cock smokers always go on about multiple attackers? Is it the only way you can feel good about yourself? Nothing works better on multiple attackers than BJJ anyway. You knob jockeys only keep saying that because you think it's the only way to defeat us, either way we are the kings of martial arts and street fighting. The rest of the martial arts, boxing, kickboxing whatever are a distant second. Get with the program.
As a purple belt in brazilian jiujitsu, The art I love and do everyday of the week, I can say against multiple attackers, the hands of a boxer gives you the best chance to end it quick and get out of there. Still if you could only know 1 martial art for 1 v 1 bjj is the best.
Physically, that Kung Fu guy has no business being on a matt with a guy that is that much bigger, stronger, and more athletic. The BJJ guy could have known nothing and ass whopped that Kung Fu guy. Size and strength matter in all fights that why there are weight divisions.
@BJJHomos Skill is the highest factor in a fight. though weight and size may give you an advantage it doesn't mean they are the ultimate deciding factors. if you forget back in UFC 1 keith hackney fought emmanule yarbrough who was the heaviest sumo of all time(600 lbs) to his 185lbs stature.and whooped him easily. not to mention royce gracie one the tournament and he was the lightest person. though by your screen name i suppose your not a fan of his works.
@kungfuheadband and to all my REAL martial artists. remember to keep the techniques real, appliable, and to never get to steadfast in your ways that cant see good martial arts staring you in the face. this is what seperates us from mr miyagi wannabes like this guy.
p.s. gung-fu was my first martial art that i did for 7 years. followed by BJJ.
@miguelmstewie You're absolutely right. It really irks me when people criticize BJJ for this. There is NO martial art that can make any claims of success against multiple attackers - it's a fucking fantasy. If fantasy is what you want - be my guest. Meanwhile I'll continue to train BJJ and keep it real.
I'm not saying I won that fight but I "lived". It could have gone much worse for me if they decided to stab me or something but it could have also gone south for the guy in my choke who was approaching brain damage or death.
I once guillotined a guy while his 3 buddies were hitting me with anything they could get their hands on (mostly plates and ketchup bottles). Eventually they realized he was in bigger trouble than I was and they pleaded with me to let him go. I told them to give me space and I let him go. He was completely unconscious. They focused their attention on helping him while I walked out the front door.
I've fought against multiple attackers in real life situations. I definitely got hit (a lot) but I also hit my attackers enough to demoralize them and incapacitate some. When you are the victim of a gang attack like that you will not remember most of your training only gross motor skills and the will to survive but some chokes especially the guillotine are second nature and come in handy.
People always say 'this guy wasnt a good example of my art! I know this because he didnt do this move, or that move that would have kicked the MMA guys ass!" That's because this isn't make believe fighting in the dojo kids, this is your traditional martial art put into practice against a non imaginary opponent, in a non imaginary scenario. In the real world, its not so easy to put your art into practice...thats where MMA and BJJ have the advantage.
@miguelmstewie Have you seen that great Russian video of that guy fighting off five attackers? It's all over the web? There are also about a thousand after action reports from cops, FBI, DEA and the war in the middle east of single men killing multiple attackers using only a blade, hand 2 hand, shovel. From modern times until ancient history the accounts are numerous and it does happen. Check your Israeli army history. You're just dead wrong.
@miguelmstewie Uh yes there are such styles. One of which is called Kali/Arnis/Escrima. Filipino arts were geared for dealing with multiple attackers. And of course, you have 6 dummies who also share your sentiment but they are all wrong.
@miguelmstewie yeah but you can be faced with one on one fights all the time and bjj has proven to work against one or maybe two opponents. you're either forgetting or you just dont know but brazillian jiu jitsu was first developed as part of judo in feudal japan so thats about 700 years of life or death battle's to perfect it and then it moved over to brazil where it was perfected for the extremely dangerous streets of RIO. so dont act like these ppl don't know what they're doing.
I bet any shaolin monk could easily beat every mma fighter out there, just release a little chipower the monks body and hell probably break his bones in 1 sec
@devonsodc There rules in the cage & they trade blows. ufc mma is comerialization it is not the same as having no rules doing anything to survive. The first real mma is kajukenbo. Kajukenbo was way before bruce lee.
If I remember right the Kung Fu artist got his arm broken. Brazillian Jit-jitsu is brutal, once it goes to the ground your screwed. Kung Fu can be brutal as well if remaining standing. Though 70% of fight go to the ground. If you can be that 30% with the fatal stand up blow you can be successful
@datanyc004 THANK YOU! everybody else just says that BJJ is unstopable, but ive beatin a friend with that style, and he's been in Tournaments, and i have Seibukan Karate.
He got him. This doesn't mean much because the truth of the matter is that when you compare martial arts there isn't one better than the other. Do you know why? Simple... It depends on the fighter and skill set. Do you know how hard or even impossible it will be to truly answer 1000's of years of the old question... "Which Martial Art is Best?"
@datanyc004 How many asses have to get kicked, or choked out before you realize that brazilian jiu-jitsu is the best. If you're learning to fight, all other fighting styles should come after you've mastered jiu-jitsu. 90% of most fights end up on the ground. By the way, the 1000 year old question is, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg"?
@datanyc004 I've yet to see a "fatal blow" from those kung fu guys. unless they actually use kickboxing, boxing, or muay thai tecniques, which looks nothing like the kung fu they're supposed to practice
Fair enough for 1 on 1 mma, as BJJ does seem very superior to most other arts for this, but for multiple attackers BJJ equals "game over" as the other people would just kick you on the ground.
Stand up martial arts would almost certainly be better for multiple attackers (of course even then you'd be in trouble probably).
If you look at how the dude is standing in the first two seconds of the video, it is clear that the dude in black does not know how to fight jack isht.
All these losses kung fu is taking on you tube seem to always be by white dudes..... .people should stop jumping to conclusions
i don't think that it's the style that matters as much as the skill of the practitioner. And yeah, I could say that the kung fu guy shouldn't have fought, but I'd be wrong. I must say they BOTH shouldn't have fought. Even then, I may still be wrong, because this seems to be a full contact sparring match, not a real fight where losing means death.
who said anything about a lower leg sweep, i'm talking about kicking him in the lower legs.
i guess this was inevitable, kung fu is good for speed at stand up, but against BJJ, as soon as it goes to the ground the karate guy should assume he will lose, for brazillian ju-jitsu is ground-based
@jamesburton besides the fact tht kung fu does have groundfighting. when in the streets do u ever see a guy go to the ground trying to do an armbar on hard ass cement and not get kicked or slammed onto the gorund before the takedown hapens?
everybody keeps talking trash against the kung fu practitioner, yet everyone forgets that it's the jujitsu guy who broke the wrist. He showed no self-control. self-control is an important part of any martial arts. If he wants to call him self a martial artist, he wouldn't have gone far enough to break his wrist.
martial arts isn't all about whose ass you can kick, if you're looking for that, you're looking for UFC or the like. A true martial artist can win a fight without ever throwing a punch
He practices Shan shou which is different than your tyical kung fu. He also realies more on his wrestling background to win shan shou fights than anything else.
lol this guy sux, both of em. looks like he paid to much to show off his belt lol. im 6'1 280 lbs fighter, had plenty of fights. ive trained in, iron palm,dim mak, wrestling, grappling, jujitsu, wing chun, and many styles of kung fu. ive seen style after style beat each other, ive seen kung fu beat the fuck out of wrestling or jujitsu and so on and vice versa. it just depends on who the fighter is and what he has trained in.
yeah ur right. i saw somethin that wasnt there lol.. for some reason in my head i thought it was keylock pushing behind the back (which would be 'kimura' or reverse ude garami). guess that snap-crackle sound distorted my vision ;P
I hate this video with a burning passion. It proves absolutely nothing, only a trained fighter can most certainly defeat an untrained fighter. I don't care who he is, that ISN'T Kung Fu, Hell that isn't even modern wushu. That is a man in a frog jacket... that's it.
this kung fu guy wouldn't have challenged marsh unless he thought he was on a similar or better level of skill...so he believed he was qualified in kung fu. Enough to take on a professional wrestler. I have done wushu, and you just mainly do acrobatics, inside crescent kicks, front snap kicks....butterflies...barrel rolls...there is no actual fighting in wushu.
Yeah... Wushu. Modern Wushu is performance based. Completely different from traditional wushu, so much so actually in most Kung Fu tournaments, there is a separate category for it. Perhaps you should do some home work then come back.
There's nothing I stated that was incorrect. I have no idea what you're talking about Wushu as the practitioners know it, is a performance based sport that was recently developed. Yes they have a tradionals section at some tournaments but I made no statement of that. I think the separate category you're referring to is sanda (chinese kickboxing).
Oh I have no doubts that this joker thought he could fight. What I was saying is there is a stark difference from Modern Wushu, and traditional Wushu. Traditional Wushu is seperate from Modern, and no I'm not referring to Sanda. Training practices a entirely different, mainly noting on two person forms, drills, and similar more combative training methods. The Kung Fu man shown in this video has no stance, no power, seemingly no training. My point was traditional wushu has actually fighting.
Yeah because we should all strive to have a build like Gymnasts. Oh watch out for that fearsome... gymnast. Be careful, he might... back flip. Traditional training involved a lot of strength training, again two person drills. I mean I'm not downing Wushu, but it's not a combat art. Then again, a mastered gymnast such as yourself might take offense to that, next thing you know you'll have you and all your ballet dancers friends come after me. Let's not forget the Swing kids, I better hold back.
@jtmajorx do u even know wut a gymnasts body is? ofcourse its muscular and very durable. the guys tht do gymnastics need arm strength for the parallel bars or wutever. they need strong legs for flips and such. strong abs for well everything they do.
"John Marsh Brazilian Jiu jitsu vs Kung Fu Challenge"
Who's the other fighter? Looks like a fake fight.
RafaelSantosRS 2 weeks ago
yeah but what goes through my head, what if more than 1 person was there. yeah lets see a bjj guy try being on the ground with atleast 2 ppl. yea.... Traditional martial arts are better.
lightangelken1 3 months ago
@lightangelken1 The only style that actually works against several attackers is boxing. You can even find some vids on youtube. Besides, try defending yourself against more than one. It's not as easy at it sounds.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
That kung fu guy had no freaking clue how to fight off his back. Stop trying to mimic tigers and cranes and start learning how to fight like a real man.
Olympic wrestling, judo, BJJ, boxing, Muay Thai........these are real styles.
TheGoogler77 4 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Kung fu has been being used as defense for longer than any of those styles aside from wrestling and i rarely see wrestling used as defense. The BJJ dude was right off the bat more aggro and confident. Its def the fighter not the style. BJJ was developed specifically for sport fighting. All of those forms have meaning and practical use. Also KF has bee watered down over generations. You have "no freaking clue what youre talking about." Its the fighter not the style.
liftthecurse 3 months ago
@liftthecurse Grappling is one of the oldest sports and forms of fighting in mankind's history. That's why it's so effective in sport and on the streets.
Kung-fu has no defense against kicks, punches, and grappling in a full-contact setting. The only style of "kung-fu" that looks effective is Sanda.
Fighting like a crane, tiger, or mantis is a pointless endeavor and impractical.
TheGoogler77 3 months ago
@TheGoogler77 There's a reason why Kung Fu was taught to China's armies and police force for thousands of years. There's a reason why Mao's guerrillas killed so many Japanese soldiers with swords instead of guns. There's a reason why wrestling in Greece and Mesoamerica was restricted to sporting events and not war.
Grappling styles are a great way to immobilize your opponent, but if you're fighting two guys, or your opponent finds a rock on the ground, it's over for you.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord kung fu isn't thousands of years old. Asians have a bad habit of self-aggrandizing kung fu. Fighting multi-attackers is rare anyway.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 You seem so opinionated about Kung Fu, but you apparently don't know much beyond the type of Kung Fu glamorized in modern Hong Kong action films.
If you actually took the time to examine the older styles of Kung Fu, you'd find that it actually greatly resembles modern Krav Maga.
Don't bother with modern Wushu schools, though. Form based tournament Kung Fu is a performance art, not a military discipline.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord I studied wing chun for a few months and read a couple of books on KF. Many of the older styles of KF were started by "families" and many were based on fighting like an insect, a bird, a cat, or a dragon (a non-existent creature, makes me wonder what dragon style comes from).
And can you tell me which styles of KF are "miltary-bases?"
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 I think I see the problem here. Your main problem is with the animal hand techniques. Perhaps you should examine them more closely. The eagle claw and leopard paw are both essentially the same as grabbing. The (Northern; I know very little of southern styles) eagle claw is suited to grab the trachea and pull it outward, whilst crushing it (you'll remember I mentioned we train our fingers to be as strong as we can make them).
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord I have no problem with the grasping/clawing techniques. It's just that I think KF doesn't apply them correctly.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Then why use them to discount the whole range of Kung Fu? You said that Kung Fu practitioners should "stop trying to mimic animals" and "fight like a man", so if you have no problem with the animal-like techniques (the animal names were just describing the techniques, not the bases of them), then what is your problem with the style?
You can't discount a whole style because you don't like certain techniques. That's disrespectful and ignorant.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord 1. Grasping and clawing at something (like your eyes) has nothing to do with animal mimicry. It's a natural technique, especially if someone is in a desperate situation. In other words, you can learn throat grabs and eyes gouges without learning "animal claw" kung fu.
2. It's not easy to use those techniques against someone who's trying to knock you out and knows how to fight. Like the video above.
3. Awkward stances and one-dimensionalism of KF turns me off.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 1. It's never been about animal mimicry. Those are just descriptive terms. The whole "monks basing everything off of animals" is just a legend, nothing more. And no, they're not unique to Kung Fu. Few techniques are unique to their respective discipline.
2. It is easy. It's very easy. The man in the video had a forward facing stance and no gaurd up, and his kick was off balance; I doubt he had any real skill in anything.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 3. See my previous comment: "The stancework you see in all the fancy forms serves little purpose other than conditioning. While it provides very good conditioning, it is abandoned in actual combat, with a few exceptions."
There are only 3 stances: forward, balanced, and back.
I'm not sure what you mean by "one dimensionalism". Wing Chun certainly is one dimensional. Toe-to-toe stances, and almost all arm techniques. Most other styles are pretty broad, though.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Now, we could undoubtedly debate this forever, so I forfeit the argument, and declare you the victor.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord I didn't realize it was a competition, but ok.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 It's always a competition. Each one is trying to make the other concede that certain points are valid and certain points are not.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord naaaaaah stop whining ;-P this is just a friendly debate. Sorry if you took it the wrong way.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 And if the styles you listed are the "only real styles" and the style I practice isn't "fighting like a man", of course that's going to generate a competitive atmosphere. Boldly insults are hardly passive.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
You are taking this internet thing too seriously.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 I dislike the "hugging" moves in styles such as Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but I recognize that many of the techniques are useful, just not the ones that immobilize the opponent, but leave you both vulnerable.
But in every street fight I've seen, striking has been more useful than ground grappling.
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu doesn't encompass all of fighting effectively, so before you insult another, much older school, you should first recognize that your own isn't perfect.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord At least BJJ has been battled tested in real street fights and NHB/Vale Tudo matches. Can't say the same thing for traditional kung fu. Now Sanda/Sanshou is another story.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Also, Wing-Chun is not a very good style to judge Kung Fu on. Wing Chun is all about the arms, and offers little knowledge of other aspects of fighting. Wing Chun is something that should not be used on its own.
Also, there are plenty of Kung Fu styles that teach Grappling. Shaolin Changquan and Taijiquan both offer teaching in grappling techniques.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 But you make some very good points. A lot of modern Kung Fu schools, particularly those involved heavily in tournaments don't teach actual techniques, and are more concerned with looking impressive and winning point sparring matches.
It is very disappointing to see what Chinese Martial Arts have dwindled down to, but if you can find a traditional school, I am certain you will find that Kung Fu IS a "real style" as you put it.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 The leopard paw grabs the wrist, and uses the knuckles to cause pain to the softer underside of the wrist. It also noticeably improves traction when pulling the wrist backwards or pushing it forward, at the expense of a strong grip when your opponent moves his writs vertically; however, it is implied that you will not give your opponent the chance to do that.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 The tiger claw is actually three techniques performed in sequence. It starts with a simple palm strike (far more useful than fists, and much less likely to hurt your hand) and then gouges and scratches. It causes blunt trauma and severe pain, but its only really practical use is gouging out eyes and tearing the face.
The praying mantis stuff is great for striking soft spots and pressure points, but not for much else.
Monkey fist is just like any other fist.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Crane's beak and phoenix eye are both designed to strike a smaller space, increasing the pressure applied by the blow. The placement of fingers in crane's beak also add integrity to the blow, making it less likely to hurt your hand. It also conveniently allows you to fit all of your fingertips into a space the size of the average human eye socket (hint hint).
But those are nothing more than different ways to hit people. They aren't that different from other strikes.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 The stancework you see in all the fancy forms serves little purpose other than conditioning. While it provides very good conditioning, it is abandoned in actual combat, with a few exceptions.
Kneeling horse is a manner of trapping your opponent's arm/leg/neck with your legs, so you can hit him/her, or pull out a weapon and execute him/her.
Cat stance puts literally no weight on the front leg. It's a feint, and has saved me from several takedowns in the past.
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blueingreentrain 2 months ago
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@liftthecurse you dont really know. kung fu is bull.
blueingreentrain 2 months ago
@liftthecurse First of all, kung fu was created several hundreds of years AFTER the fall of the Roman Empire. Pankration and boxing existed looooong before kung fu. Second, are you admitting that kung fu is useless against a more agressive/confident grappler? Finally, if KF has been diluted over the years, where is the real thing?
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 According to history, no one knows when Kung Fu came to be. According to legend, Kung Fu was introduced in 2698 BCE.
Technically, though, Kung Fu began with Chinese military history. And Chinese military history goes back long before the birth of Christ.
Perhaps you were referring to Shaolin Kung Fu? That's not so old.
Kung Fu covers a very wide range. There are many more styles than you seem to be aware of.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord I think you are confusing KF with Chinese martial arts. KF isn't as ancient as some would have you believe.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Kung Fu IS Chinese Martial arts. Kung Fu isn't a very specific term.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 Generally, advanced in most Kung Fu styles, when you're grounded, you're taught to jab the pressure points on your opponent's neck and kill him. Unfortunately... that doesn't tend to be looked very kindly upon in school fights.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord the only way you can kill a man is by crushing the trachea, and that ain't easy. Another way is to apply a choke hold for more than 10 secs.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
@TheGoogler77 There are also the eyes and the temples. But then, remember, we're not talking about blunt trauma here. There's a reason why Kung Fu conditions the fingers as much as any other part of the body.
ZomBLord 2 months ago
@ZomBLord The eyes definitely, but you would have to really dig deep. Temples? Not so much. Many WW2 era marines can tell you that eyes and throat are the only two ways to kill a man bent on killing you. And there's no evidence that "dim mak" is real.
TheGoogler77 2 months ago
So, this guy should be able to take out at least two bjj guys at once. One is way too hard, but two or three is easy.
Chijaytava 6 months ago
@Chijaytava As the old saying goes: If you can't beat one opponent, there's no end to what you can't do.
ThePinkMan 5 months ago
@miguelmstewie Mike Vallely fought five guys once...sort of...
MrPhrogphurter 6 months ago
ju jitsu is gay people assume because one person got tackeld once it always happens that way plus if u ever get jumped the last thing you want to do is get down with both peoples heads near the pavement also almost every martial art teaches u to take out multiple attakers
bboycrowm1 7 months ago
As someone who experiences real world violence daily, I have to say most of the comments here are being made by people who do not know fighting. In the real world there are no rules. Your opponent may pull out a knife and stab you with it. He may have friends that will try and kick your head in. You may be injured. You may be carrying something like groceries, child etc. You may be in a compromising position when attacked. To you MA nuthuggers: there is training to help in those situations.
Usag1Yoj1mbo 7 months ago
@miguelmstewie there are plent of youtube videos showing basic boxers taking out multiple guys...
ikcjjtt 7 months ago
on other guys other than judo-jiujutsu-grappling will b able to understand what happened...others fight with their body, grapplers use their mind...
replyindra 7 months ago
A padded floor....hmmmm that is convenient for the grappler.
MrCoffeebags 8 months ago
@MrCoffeebags Bjj would be just as effective on concrete
aknowneemus 8 months ago
@aknowneemus Big risk of shattering your knees though.
MrCoffeebags 8 months ago
@MrCoffeebags
Not likely. Only noobs would damage their knees. Of course concrete is going to give you a lot of grazes and some knee pain but so what? Its not the end of the world, and it wont interupt the fight in any way.
Plus, the adrenaline removes the little pain that would normally be felt.
SkemeKOS 7 months ago
@MrCoffeebags It's actually more conveinent for the kung-fu guy who got dropped to the ground.
ThePinkMan 7 months ago
wing tsun is useless against brazilian jiu jitsu or MMA.
BluePittbull666 8 months ago 3
@miguelmstewie
Boxing- /watch?v=9GZogjsxGgI
Boxing- /watch?v=6iDlzL7zrNU&feature=related
Aikido or Kung Fu- /watch?v=bD7jSgjiwKc
These are a few i have seen with martial artists defending against multiple opponents. Please reply and tell me your thoughts on this if this isn't too late =P
With all due respect.
CDABXXX 8 months ago
Jiu jitsu what a joke.. That's one of the styles I don't like. They can't fight on their feet. Just ground. That's like wrestling. No good.. Nothing like box, jeet kune do, wing chun those r the ones good to learn..
mrpeej20 9 months ago
@mrpeej20 So your saying that its shit because they only fight on the ground? Its likely that you have a 90% of going to the ground in a fight, and thus Jiu Jitsu gives you more power over the opponent.
yognaut619 8 months ago
@miguelmstewie I've seen a mma fighter ko 4-5 guys that tried to jump him. He used a bit of muay thai to ko a few.. he judo slammed 1 guy right onto the road and put him to sleep. It took him half hour to regain conciousness and wipe off all the blood that was coming out of his face. I guess it just depends on the fighter and who they're fighting!!
TreeTrunk82 10 months ago
woa. why are so many people offended. any form is as good as another, mma, kung fu, thai boxing, sambo. what matters is the individual. just because it isnt your preferred form and dont understand how others may doesnt mean its bad or crappy. believing these things just proves an ignorance. use all tools to better yourself. if you can learn something new from a different artform its good. if you choose not to that is the only true way to lose. winning a fight doesnt matter. winning in life does
MightySunTzu 1 year ago
Get a promoter to make the event, for real, not paying someone to job out to the other. I put my money on old world martial arts with old world men that perform super human feats. Bruce Lee would have mopped the floor with your people. I also put my money on those Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) that know Sambo.
megalife21 1 year ago
@megalife21 actually the spetsnaz do a lot of systema and that really is a load of ****. And sambo is a mixed martial art and some of the best MMA fighters come from Sambo camps.
TheGodFatherChair 10 months ago
@TheGodFatherChair If you come across real Ninjutsu and are dedicated, you learn how to defend against multiple attackers in no rules. But most of the guys i know who can take out a group of guys single handed are a small percentage of naturally gifted fighters.
meephis 9 months ago
I like to see Mr. Gracey style Brazilian jujitsu expert or an MMA world champion challenge and try to take out a kung fu grande master trained at the temple of Shaolin. Those guys are supermen. They would probably stop his heart or shatter his rib cage with one lightning shot to the sternum. Then we will see just how macho they are.
megalife21 1 year ago
@megalife21 Get your head out of the kung fu clouds and back into reality,
TheFinderBinder 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie defend multiple people? or defend AGAINST multiple people?
11033066099 1 year ago
GF guy should have never started out with an attempted kick. Be smart in your offense. An initial strike to the face would have made the bjj guy think twice about movin in.
171TITO 1 year ago
i really dont think the guy needs to crank that americana so hard -_-
To0t 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie Krav Maga, faggot...
mfiamski 1 year ago
charade degrades the history of what legitimate GongFu has proven effectively on the battlefields for thousands of years. Unfortunately, many schools do not train in a realistic regimen to meet real world situations. And so, I must fully agree that the GongFu will always fall short until the teachers are true fighters themselves. Only then can the essential essence of GongFu be fully appreciated.
It is a proven fact, that an individual will fight how they have been trained.
Arythmnmaker1 1 year ago
This is simply a case of the untrained and inexperienced biting off more than he could handle and understand to deal with. He was totally unqualified to meet this challenge. Though GongFu has the arsenal to deal with any situation, most are unwilling to risk the possibility of injury that required to acquire that level of expertise. This is in NO way.........a fair representation of a well-rounded and comprehensively trained GongFu fighter and practitioner at work at his craft.
This pitiful
Arythmnmaker1 1 year ago
First.....it must be recognized that Sean ( definitely!! not a master--only in his imagination) was totally destitute of legitimate GongFu training.
And it is his so-called instructor who is responsible for his lack of practical training and should bear the full brunt of the ridicule being directed, deservingly so, at Sean. The instructor should have been run out of the teaching community for allowing this farce to take place and smearing the effectiveness of legitimate Chinese fighting ....
Arythmnmaker1 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie There is something called krav maga take a look at that :)
cookedbake 1 year ago
@Bluefragment yes but its one of the first
dont 4get martial arts was brought to america
crazypkm 1 year ago
@kungfuheadband lol. yeah most of those videos were shot back in highschool. i'm in school for digital art now. so my newer ones are better.
pedro90 1 year ago
you think you can stay up 30% of the time with that guy tryin to get you down? lol, youve never worked w/ a wrestler / sub grappler / BJJ. and please, teach us all the fatal stand up blow, LMAO. too many movies kid
eternalnameless 1 year ago
@Ebiss77 wrong? Okay Jedi master... Elaborate. I was stationed in Japan and have been to many places in Asia to see up close and personal what works and what doesn't... It's different for every skill and fighter. I bet you'll tell me next that a Thai fighter (real Thai fighter) who has been training since 6yrs would allow this to happen. Wrong!
datanyc004 1 year ago
@Ebiss77
datanyc004 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie wrong
Ebis77 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie Why do you cock smokers always go on about multiple attackers? Is it the only way you can feel good about yourself? Nothing works better on multiple attackers than BJJ anyway. You knob jockeys only keep saying that because you think it's the only way to defeat us, either way we are the kings of martial arts and street fighting. The rest of the martial arts, boxing, kickboxing whatever are a distant second. Get with the program.
MrZeddy100 1 year ago
@MrZeddy100
As a purple belt in brazilian jiujitsu, The art I love and do everyday of the week, I can say against multiple attackers, the hands of a boxer gives you the best chance to end it quick and get out of there. Still if you could only know 1 martial art for 1 v 1 bjj is the best.
propaghandave10 1 year ago
lol. kung fu is the oldest martial arts in the world. guess the world out-evolved it. but still, please ppl. some respect.
kentoro 1 year ago
Physically, that Kung Fu guy has no business being on a matt with a guy that is that much bigger, stronger, and more athletic. The BJJ guy could have known nothing and ass whopped that Kung Fu guy. Size and strength matter in all fights that why there are weight divisions.
BJJHomos 1 year ago
@BJJHomos
You coudlnt be more wrong. Especially in Gi BJJ anyone within 30 pounds of you shouldnt have an advantage.
propaghandave10 1 year ago
@BJJHomos Skill is the highest factor in a fight. though weight and size may give you an advantage it doesn't mean they are the ultimate deciding factors. if you forget back in UFC 1 keith hackney fought emmanule yarbrough who was the heaviest sumo of all time(600 lbs) to his 185lbs stature.and whooped him easily. not to mention royce gracie one the tournament and he was the lightest person. though by your screen name i suppose your not a fan of his works.
pedro90 1 year ago
@kungfuheadband and to all my REAL martial artists. remember to keep the techniques real, appliable, and to never get to steadfast in your ways that cant see good martial arts staring you in the face. this is what seperates us from mr miyagi wannabes like this guy.
p.s. gung-fu was my first martial art that i did for 7 years. followed by BJJ.
pedro90 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie You're absolutely right. It really irks me when people criticize BJJ for this. There is NO martial art that can make any claims of success against multiple attackers - it's a fucking fantasy. If fantasy is what you want - be my guest. Meanwhile I'll continue to train BJJ and keep it real.
hereswhatsleft 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie Well I don't mean to contend but I think Krav Maga might come, close.
skippy563 1 year ago
I'm not saying I won that fight but I "lived". It could have gone much worse for me if they decided to stab me or something but it could have also gone south for the guy in my choke who was approaching brain damage or death.
ANT6184 1 year ago
I once guillotined a guy while his 3 buddies were hitting me with anything they could get their hands on (mostly plates and ketchup bottles). Eventually they realized he was in bigger trouble than I was and they pleaded with me to let him go. I told them to give me space and I let him go. He was completely unconscious. They focused their attention on helping him while I walked out the front door.
ANT6184 1 year ago
I've fought against multiple attackers in real life situations. I definitely got hit (a lot) but I also hit my attackers enough to demoralize them and incapacitate some. When you are the victim of a gang attack like that you will not remember most of your training only gross motor skills and the will to survive but some chokes especially the guillotine are second nature and come in handy.
ANT6184 1 year ago
Kung-fu is crap, most people just use it to scam people.
kokocipher 1 year ago
@kokocipher hey have some respect for the earliest form of martial arts dumbass.
kentoro 1 year ago
@kentoro respect for what? for being ineffective and scamming millions of people?
kokocipher 1 year ago
People always say 'this guy wasnt a good example of my art! I know this because he didnt do this move, or that move that would have kicked the MMA guys ass!" That's because this isn't make believe fighting in the dojo kids, this is your traditional martial art put into practice against a non imaginary opponent, in a non imaginary scenario. In the real world, its not so easy to put your art into practice...thats where MMA and BJJ have the advantage.
ryansilvatapsyouout 1 year ago
@ryansilvatapsyouout BJJ guys aren't that tough.
BlackShinobiShozoku 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie i've seen 2 actually, they were both boxers i believe. in 1 vid he beats up 2 ppl
the other he beats up a whole bunch i think it was in an asian country. it's actually kinda funny
Dissez503 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie Have you seen that great Russian video of that guy fighting off five attackers? It's all over the web? There are also about a thousand after action reports from cops, FBI, DEA and the war in the middle east of single men killing multiple attackers using only a blade, hand 2 hand, shovel. From modern times until ancient history the accounts are numerous and it does happen. Check your Israeli army history. You're just dead wrong.
bullmeecham 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie Uh yes there are such styles. One of which is called Kali/Arnis/Escrima. Filipino arts were geared for dealing with multiple attackers. And of course, you have 6 dummies who also share your sentiment but they are all wrong.
MikeUntstinks 1 year ago
@miguelmstewie yeah but you can be faced with one on one fights all the time and bjj has proven to work against one or maybe two opponents. you're either forgetting or you just dont know but brazillian jiu jitsu was first developed as part of judo in feudal japan so thats about 700 years of life or death battle's to perfect it and then it moved over to brazil where it was perfected for the extremely dangerous streets of RIO. so dont act like these ppl don't know what they're doing.
enime 1 year ago
Broken chicken wing chun muthafuggah...!
DancingSpiderman 1 year ago
The best defense against multiple or a large amount of attackers is called a car, get your ass in it and run
genjibob 1 year ago
I bet any shaolin monk could easily beat every mma fighter out there, just release a little chipower the monks body and hell probably break his bones in 1 sec
FreedomFighter08 1 year ago
@FreedomFighter08 You watch too many movies dude.
PlagueRiddenGoat 11 months ago
Kung fu blows, :) show me one kung fu guy that can get in the cage, end of story :-)
devonsodc 2 years ago
Jason DeLucia
assface567 1 year ago
@devonsodc There rules in the cage & they trade blows. ufc mma is comerialization it is not the same as having no rules doing anything to survive. The first real mma is kajukenbo. Kajukenbo was way before bruce lee.
lococavasa 1 year ago
wow jew jitsu is so fucking gay rofl. It's like he wanted to make out with that dude.
drealgrin 2 years ago
@drealgrin But i want to see you fight someone trained in JiuJitsu, maybe after you tap 4-5 times, you'll realise it is quite effective,
MyBass0wnzu 1 year ago
@MyBass0wnzu still doesn't change how gay it looks. it's like some new gay sex position.
drealgrin 1 year ago
Is this above Jiu-Jitsu Pro Gear?
tomwalker389 2 years ago
what a uneven fight OMG this pisses me off
Trage360420 2 years ago
If I remember right the Kung Fu artist got his arm broken. Brazillian Jit-jitsu is brutal, once it goes to the ground your screwed. Kung Fu can be brutal as well if remaining standing. Though 70% of fight go to the ground. If you can be that 30% with the fatal stand up blow you can be successful
datanyc004 2 years ago 4
@datanyc004 Yeah Kung Fu can be brutal with someone just standing still, not moving.
dayjo325 1 year ago
@datanyc004 well actually in real kung fu they do teach groundifghting. so i dont know who this fake guy is...but hes giving us a bad name.
thegodofpop1 1 year ago
@datanyc004 wrong
Ebis77 1 year ago
@datanyc004 THANK YOU! everybody else just says that BJJ is unstopable, but ive beatin a friend with that style, and he's been in Tournaments, and i have Seibukan Karate.
11033066099 1 year ago
@datanyc004 But this Kung-Fu Klown, however, is STILL on the floor. LOL
evelsteev 11 months ago
@evelsteev
He got him. This doesn't mean much because the truth of the matter is that when you compare martial arts there isn't one better than the other. Do you know why? Simple... It depends on the fighter and skill set. Do you know how hard or even impossible it will be to truly answer 1000's of years of the old question... "Which Martial Art is Best?"
datanyc004 11 months ago 2
@datanyc004 regardless, the BJJ guys have beaten all the others in the video. Think about it.
evelsteev 11 months ago
@datanyc004 How many asses have to get kicked, or choked out before you realize that brazilian jiu-jitsu is the best. If you're learning to fight, all other fighting styles should come after you've mastered jiu-jitsu. 90% of most fights end up on the ground. By the way, the 1000 year old question is, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg"?
TheBlackbat69 11 months ago
@datanyc004 It also depends on the persons skill on takedowns.
bobbysaysyo 6 months ago
@datanyc004 I've yet to see a "fatal blow" from those kung fu guys. unless they actually use kickboxing, boxing, or muay thai tecniques, which looks nothing like the kung fu they're supposed to practice
sukotsutoclone2 6 months ago
This cracking sound in the end hurts -.-
Asprah5 2 years ago
Fair enough for 1 on 1 mma, as BJJ does seem very superior to most other arts for this, but for multiple attackers BJJ equals "game over" as the other people would just kick you on the ground.
Stand up martial arts would almost certainly be better for multiple attackers (of course even then you'd be in trouble probably).
mikeyo1234 2 years ago
That sucked.
LucasPicturesUK 2 years ago
no wonder he lost, he's about 100 pound less in weight, the big guy was scared to stand up
thehomefront 2 years ago
i thought size didnt make a difference in kung fu and bruce lee could kill everyone and hes 135.....shut up
Johnf85 2 years ago
this fight is so boring
why do you think there are no jujutsu-movies?
it`s like the most boring sport
poor guy got owned by a homo
ApOsTaTiQuE 2 years ago
You're an idiot, if you learn martial arts to learn flashy moves you shouldnt be learning martial arts
wjat89 2 years ago 3
LOL that homo would own you as well. BJJ beats stand up.
orangefanatic73 2 years ago
If you look at how the dude is standing in the first two seconds of the video, it is clear that the dude in black does not know how to fight jack isht.
All these losses kung fu is taking on you tube seem to always be by white dudes..... .people should stop jumping to conclusions
joe6041887 2 years ago
Like watching a preying mantis being taken out by a black scorpion.
noblue4u 2 years ago
i don't think that it's the style that matters as much as the skill of the practitioner. And yeah, I could say that the kung fu guy shouldn't have fought, but I'd be wrong. I must say they BOTH shouldn't have fought. Even then, I may still be wrong, because this seems to be a full contact sparring match, not a real fight where losing means death.
who said anything about a lower leg sweep, i'm talking about kicking him in the lower legs.
ilyearer 3 years ago
if losing meant death then the kung fu guy STILL would have lost.,
iddpki 3 years ago
i guess this was inevitable, kung fu is good for speed at stand up, but against BJJ, as soon as it goes to the ground the karate guy should assume he will lose, for brazillian ju-jitsu is ground-based
a little fact for you there
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jamesburton 3 years ago
@jamesburton besides the fact tht kung fu does have groundfighting. when in the streets do u ever see a guy go to the ground trying to do an armbar on hard ass cement and not get kicked or slammed onto the gorund before the takedown hapens?
thegodofpop1 1 year ago
@thegodofpop1 I've grapple on cement before in a fight it dosent hurt that bad
parks2000 1 year ago
Oh and, the kung fu fighter should have kept his kicks lower since it's a bit more obvious that the jiujitsu was going to take him to the ground.
ilyearer 3 years ago
everybody keeps talking trash against the kung fu practitioner, yet everyone forgets that it's the jujitsu guy who broke the wrist. He showed no self-control. self-control is an important part of any martial arts. If he wants to call him self a martial artist, he wouldn't have gone far enough to break his wrist.
martial arts isn't all about whose ass you can kick, if you're looking for that, you're looking for UFC or the like. A true martial artist can win a fight without ever throwing a punch
ilyearer 3 years ago 2
@ilyearer i live in a house with brothers who believe that jiu jitsu
can make me give them the remote...i practice kung fu....and so
i laugh at their stupidity.
crazypkm 1 year ago
actually bluefragment, kung fu means "hard work" in Chinese or "hard work over time to accomplish skill." Wushu is Chinese for "martial art"
ilyearer 3 years ago
lol burnt.
iddpki 3 years ago
um,....
Is there a way we can rename this:
"KUNG FU VS. REALITY"
shmouts 3 years ago 4
lol
iddpki 3 years ago
I always HEAR about it, but I have yet to see a smaller weaker opponent dominate a much larger stronger one.
this is what would happen to bruce lee:
IMMEDIATELY taken down by a hulking beast
the larger guy was holding back
shmouts 3 years ago
Gracie Challenge much?
Marsh was cautious about being eye-gouged by Scott, which is why he took his time.
SD78 3 years ago
omg why the fuck didnt he tap out
the kung fu guy thinks he is so bruce lee and got his hand in shit
wat a DUMBASS
blastodermx4 3 years ago 3
Are there any movies on youtube that show kung fu fighters winning fights with BJJ black belts? I haven't found any yet...
luchaguate 3 years ago
Nope. There are no such videos because it does not happen.
Kyle1220 3 years ago
oh yea and check out Cung Le, maybe Li. his main background is kung fu and hes won lots of mma fights as well as other fights.
kungfumike1984 3 years ago
He has won exactly six mma fights.
He practices Shan shou which is different than your tyical kung fu. He also realies more on his wrestling background to win shan shou fights than anything else.
girodin 3 years ago
lol this guy sux, both of em. looks like he paid to much to show off his belt lol. im 6'1 280 lbs fighter, had plenty of fights. ive trained in, iron palm,dim mak, wrestling, grappling, jujitsu, wing chun, and many styles of kung fu. ive seen style after style beat each other, ive seen kung fu beat the fuck out of wrestling or jujitsu and so on and vice versa. it just depends on who the fighter is and what he has trained in.
kungfumike1984 3 years ago
The only place where you will see Kung Fu winning is in Movies.....Why wont people accept reality?
Hasent this been proven over and over again since 1993?
You can buy Vale Tudo no-rules no rounds events...See how well Kung Fu did!
Grapplers won every single tournaments....
jeffduce55 3 years ago
yeah ur right. i saw somethin that wasnt there lol.. for some reason in my head i thought it was keylock pushing behind the back (which would be 'kimura' or reverse ude garami). guess that snap-crackle sound distorted my vision ;P
homegrownhero 3 years ago
Maybe the Kung Fu guy shouldn't try eye gouging like a bitch and just tap out like a man.
duneit005 3 years ago
I hate this video with a burning passion. It proves absolutely nothing, only a trained fighter can most certainly defeat an untrained fighter. I don't care who he is, that ISN'T Kung Fu, Hell that isn't even modern wushu. That is a man in a frog jacket... that's it.
jtmajorx 4 years ago 3
lol, yes 100% correct.
fzeeshan 4 years ago 2
this kung fu guy wouldn't have challenged marsh unless he thought he was on a similar or better level of skill...so he believed he was qualified in kung fu. Enough to take on a professional wrestler. I have done wushu, and you just mainly do acrobatics, inside crescent kicks, front snap kicks....butterflies...barrel rolls...there is no actual fighting in wushu.
wolfmoonwatcher 4 years ago
Yeah... Wushu. Modern Wushu is performance based. Completely different from traditional wushu, so much so actually in most Kung Fu tournaments, there is a separate category for it. Perhaps you should do some home work then come back.
jtmajorx 3 years ago
There's nothing I stated that was incorrect. I have no idea what you're talking about Wushu as the practitioners know it, is a performance based sport that was recently developed. Yes they have a tradionals section at some tournaments but I made no statement of that. I think the separate category you're referring to is sanda (chinese kickboxing).
wolfmoonwatcher 3 years ago
Oh I have no doubts that this joker thought he could fight. What I was saying is there is a stark difference from Modern Wushu, and traditional Wushu. Traditional Wushu is seperate from Modern, and no I'm not referring to Sanda. Training practices a entirely different, mainly noting on two person forms, drills, and similar more combative training methods. The Kung Fu man shown in this video has no stance, no power, seemingly no training. My point was traditional wushu has actually fighting.
jtmajorx 3 years ago
Ya I agree, from the looks of it, he had training in a ineffective traditional style. If he did modern wushu he'd be built more like a gymnast.
wolfmoonwatcher 3 years ago
Yeah because we should all strive to have a build like Gymnasts. Oh watch out for that fearsome... gymnast. Be careful, he might... back flip. Traditional training involved a lot of strength training, again two person drills. I mean I'm not downing Wushu, but it's not a combat art. Then again, a mastered gymnast such as yourself might take offense to that, next thing you know you'll have you and all your ballet dancers friends come after me. Let's not forget the Swing kids, I better hold back.
jtmajorx 3 years ago
I'll assume you're not this much of an asshole in real life.
wolfmoonwatcher 3 years ago
@jtmajorx do u even know wut a gymnasts body is? ofcourse its muscular and very durable. the guys tht do gymnastics need arm strength for the parallel bars or wutever. they need strong legs for flips and such. strong abs for well everything they do.
thegodofpop1 1 year ago
yamon, good point.
BobbyClumsyNinja 3 years ago
@jtmajorx kung fu sucks tho
LeoLovesNature 1 year ago
@LeoLovesNature It's all about the practitioner really, I would agree this guy sucks lol.
jtmajorx 1 year ago