Great rant Bobby L. Except Carbon Credits is an excellent route for polluting companies and individuals to start accepting responsibility for the pollution they emit and start looking at less polluting options. If in this transition they pay money into a fund that plant trees, that’s a GREAT thing in my book.
One thing that made me end any beliefs of man made climate change was a scientist who was able to accurately predict the weather 1 year advance by examining the sun.
@jamesffxl Lucky guy then. Not a scientist. No self respecting serious scientist would claim that 1 confirmed prediction constitutes evidence that is even relevant to climate change. Climate is about global patterns and trends over 30 years, not what the weather was like on one day in one place one year after another day.
No, he makes several accurate predictions up to a year in advance. The man is Piers Corbyn and plenty of farmers pay for his forecasts because he is so accurate. He has predicted several storms more than 6 months in advance including Hurricane Irene.
Carbon does NOT cause global warming. Carbon represents .054% of the greenhouse gases. Of that .054%, man is estimated at contributing 9% of that. So nothing. This is a con just like the Ozone layer back in the 90s.
Saying that carbon trading is a "con" is quite frankly nonsense. Moreover, any attempt at a solution to climate change which does not make it economical for people to participate in it is doomed to failure.
A very good attempt to explain the situation. Sadly, those corporations also control the media in the states, and in the UK (and Canada I presume) a majority of people no longer believe in climate change. It was easier to convince people when we had 10 of the warmest winters on record. It`s harder when it`s still snowing in late April (Canada). Frankly, I think 51% of the people have difficulty believing in anything they can`t hit with a rock. Sigh.
Oh, and another thing. Please pay attention to the difference between weather and climate. Every time someone confuses these completely different concepts in a public space is another nail in the coffin of public understanding on the subject. (And more profit for newspapers who rely on public stupidity.)
Sorry Bob, but you make yourself look a bit of a twat by citing Y2K in this context. There really were a large number of very hazardous possible outcomes of doing nothing about it. A great deal of money and effort was expended on modifying millions of lines of code in in thousands of organisations in order to evade the issues. That you can stand here now and rant that 'nothing happened' is clear proof of money and effort well spent. Let's not have this nonsense again, please. :)
@spacemagick Ah, this reminds me of that old, old joke. Two guys in a pub, one guy says to the other, "I have something realy cool to show you." He brings from behind his back a huge gun. Shocked, the other guy says, "Good greif! What are you doin with an elephant gun, there are no elephants in our town! The first guy says, "Good gun, isn't it." Just because you take a "remedy" does not mean you had a malady in the first place, you may have been conned by a flim flam man selling magic water.
In Canada here, having a Federal election. Climate change does not exist for the Darth Harper 'Tories'. Talks about climate change and 'Darth' may drown you with Puffin poop like he did to Dion, a Canadian politician.
@SterlingUndem It's sad that the only mentions of climate change have been made the left-wing NDP. The Green Party gets no coverage at all. Has everyone forgotten Harper belongs to an extreme Christian church (a la the nut bars in the southern states), his Science Minister was a creationist, he slashed the already meagre science and research budget, and on it goes. Then there's his embarrassing international stance on climate change. We're screwed if he gets a majority.
Very amusing and at the same time very true in a very scary way. People hardly think about that information is seldom a mere representation of facts, but usually a story with an angle. That being climate change, swine flu or the financial markets.
Big corporations make money when the masses are moving, they want revolution (as they represent the facts) not evolution (as things usually go). Holland is still sitting on millions of bird flu vaccins...
Oh please Glabal warming isnt CAUSED by human activity it merely ACCELERATES it. @kurtb8474 Just because we have had a bitter winter does not mean global warming isnt happening its total B******s.
I agree with you know Bobby that people have been lying and its all due to their own personal agendas. It's stupid and annoying. All I want is cold hard facts so people like me can just MAKE A DECISION.
I got swine flu, wasn't that bad. They didn't make such a big fuss over it here. My city was named 'the swine flu capital of the world' yet there wasn't a face mask in sight.
You needn’t worry about the polar ice caps drowning Britain, the Arctic may be shrinking but Antarctica is growing. And the glaciers are supposed to dissapear, the Ice age hasn't finnished ending yet. I'm all for being green and everything but telling people convenient bullshit is no way to get them on board.
I'm happy with people being on one side of the fence or leaning on it - however why do both sides need to pull crazy figures out of the air? Who can possibly say what percentage of scientists think? To say this you need to know exactly how many scientists there are in the world Then you need to ask every single one of them the same climate questions. This has never been done, so anyone saying 95% of scientists think this or that is talking bollocks to start with.
Why do we have to wait for a possible disaster before we even think of doing what's right for the future, for our decendants, for our planet? Why does there always have to be an impending, horrific flood before we think of flood barriers? We are always on the brink of some disaster. Why don't we just care for each other and the planet we live on? Oh, mrblacksheep, I'm not good with foreign languages but here goes. (cough) "Mi cassa, su cassa."
I think the "global warming, it's melting it's melting" ppl are right.and that is is not so much caused but rather enhanced by mankind.However I do not think it will very much effect me or my generation so I say let someone else deal with it.People in general do not care,even the younger ones who will have children that will be effected by this climate change directly.You don't care that your house is on fire why the hell should I?
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Calling them "teabaggers" at 3:13 destroys this guy's credibility. It's namecalling and a disgusting term for an organization that is neither right nor left.
3:47 Not ALL of the scientists. Ever hear of 'climategate?' Look it up.
4:10 World temps are not rising. Just asked those in the US midwest who just endured the coldest winter they've ever had. It's STILL cold in California. The icecaps are not melting.
@kurtb8474 No not all, but 97% agree on it that it is warming and it is us. Think I'll listen to the 97% instead of the 3% that disagrees. Which so far has worked wonders for me with my medical treatments.
Also the icecaps are melting. Just take a look at the data from NSIDC or anyone else that has datasets on the arctic/antarctic (antarctic is minor currently).
And about the cold weather:
watch?v=7aiI8_mSDpc
A cold winter cannot disprove in a region cannot disprove a global warming trend.
@kurtb8474 Obviously I have heard of climategate, ever heard of the enormous investigation and reports which utterly refute the nonsense that was screamed out about this. Calling the tea party teabaggers may be name calling but how you can possibly claim that this group of disgruntled, old, 99% white middle class Americans is not right wing is comical.
Global temperatures are rising, you are talking about weather.
@kurtb8474 one could winter has nothing to do with climate change, daily weather has nothing to do with climate change. what you need to look at is the icecap size over the past 50 years, then you will understand what climate change actually is.
climate and weather are two very different subjects.
@kurtb8474 Global temperatures ARE increasing. Its getting colder in some places, but hotter in a lot of places where it is now getting harder to produce food.
@kurtb8474 Global Warming refers to the Average temperature of the world rising. Because of the affects this can have on the currents that circle the Earth it has been shown to change weather dramatically in certain areas whether it be colder or hotter. This is why Global Warming is more appropriately referred to as Global Climate Change. Why don't you stop worrying about protecting the Teabaggers from well deserved criticism and actually understand these things before you post such rubbish. ;)
Reminds me of how the world is supposed to end next year, according to the Mayan calendar. Sheepers, even Mayan descendants acknowledge that as bullocks! I don't believe anything is going to happen in 2012 that isn't caused by human influence, but if it does, well, not much I can do about a naturally occurring global catastrophe, then, is there?
@Phegmore You just know there's going to be a segment of the 2012ers who will latch onto a totally non-catastrophic, even harmless event, and try to pass it off as the prophesied 'new beginning.'
I wonder how many children born on December 21st will be claimed by their Christian parents to be Jesus.
Even if climate change were a natural thing...and nothing to do with human activities...Shouldn't we still worry about it's effects?...Even if we are not sure of it's cause?...The problems we see today may be mild compared to the havoc which is yet to come...We all know things are not like they used to be...Thinking of what could be on the way is a terrifying thing.
After all of that I'm not sure I can really beleive he's leaning on the fence. Sounds like he's (rightly) sprinting away from it. Good of him to try to be balanced but 'some loony right-wing bloggers' vs 'almost every scientist, government and NGO ever' makes it reasonably clear where his opinions lie...and a good place for them to be too.
I think the key is to believe the scientists, but ignore the government. The governments are always gonna screw it up, until they listen to the scientists solutions.
I think this is where you're fence theme falls down - there's a third position in this debate: Hating the idiot right-wing retards AND disapproving of how governments are going about 'fixing' the problem.
And after all the idiots confusing weather and climate, could you try and refrain from blurring the boundaries too?
I truly enjoy these, and I think we just aren't being approached in the proper manner. I think everyone needs to do just a few small things. Just four, the four that work for you. For me, it's a high MPG car (mine gets 45mpg typically), I turn off any adapters in my house and lights that aren't in use, I use my canvas grocery bags, and I recycle my trash.
I think if everyone just found their four things, we would be a lot better off.
I remember all of the Y2K hoopla and all of the extreme overreaction from various Governments and especially the mass media. And what happened? Nothing, or next to nothing. I believe there were some computer banking systems in New Zealand that were affected or something.
As to climate change, it's so hard to tell who's right and wrong in this debate. We get so much info from all sides thrust at us every day that it's difficult to sort out the truth from the crap. Food for thought anyway.
awesoem video and essential that people keep an OPEN MIND - on the one hand the hard core of conspiracy theorists see climate change as a globalists plan to enslave and tax us all and on the other side corrupt politicians who are in bed with the oil company's - This is a reality that causes a thick fog on either side!
Something bad is happening and someone is trying to make money out of it? That's never happened before.
97-98% of scientists agree according to a recent study (pnas(dot)org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107) but then again climate "skeptics" will say it's all made up and they support REAL studies where you send in a bit of paper to someone claiming you have a Bsc degree.
I hate people who think that science is arrogant. Simply not the case. Without science, we would be nowhere further than cavemen. The caveman experimented, and that's how we have developed.
Manmade climate change is arguably the biggest example of erroneous scientific group-think in history. An easy way to debunk climate science is to look how they have treated the issue of "runaway greenhouse effect" on Venus. They basically blame CO2 for causing the temperature to rise from a frigid -42C to 467C (more than the melting point of lead). It's crap. I'd like them to replicate such allegedly powerful effects here, but guess what...they can't, otherwise they'd solve the energy crisis.
@PersianPaladin This argument didn't even make any sense... You might want to look up infrared absorption spectra which they use to figure those things out and why we know that CO2 is the cause for that warming (with a few other factors).
Oh, it does. Google "Climate science and intellectual integrity" and check the first search result by Hoz Turner. Then read the blog article. It is very revealing.
@PersianPaladin Sorry but any website that actually links to, and makes it case, based on arguments that for example there is no nuclear reaction going on in the sun is absolutely bullshit. And in the same article the writer admits he's a truther he looses all credibility.
I would strongly suggest you use better sources for your opinions, as this I cannot label as anything else than bullshit.
Oh and btw, compression of the atmosphere cannot sustain the temperatures we see on Venus.
I am afraid you have the attitude of a man who is too strongly wedded to the cult of group-think, and therefore lack the intellectual boldness to fully study evidence that goes against the majority.
I think you made that comment before you knew that I'm part of SkepticTV. So no I don't have any trouble dealing with, and evaluating, contrary evidence. My comment I made towards you is that what you cite as evidence is not it, it's a blog that goes against scientific evidence without providing any itself. And as such I claim bullshit.
To pull a line from the epic sitcom that Mr Llewellyn stared in, and indeed it's part of one of his lines: "Might I suggest that from this moment the rest of the discourse is conducted by those with brains larger than a grape."
i don't think we should really be wasting time bickering about what exactly causes global warming. the fact is, its happening, and it needs to be prevented. unless you're a raving lunatic who thinks its all a big conspiracy taking up most of the worlds credible scientists, you have to agree that the climate is changing with very serious consequences for humanity if we don't prevent it. finger pointing on what causes it is only delaying work on actually developing the tech needed to stop it.
You aren't wet liberal at all, you're intelligent and reasoned. Not knowing what's going on is the only sensible position to take because there are no absolutes.
@bobbyllew An interesting argument certainly. The only problem is, the longer the two parties keep bickering about it, the less time we're spending actually fixing this potential problem which is I think is the worst thing about it. I mean, if this is something that can destroy the planet, should we not all be on the same page? I'm going to take something 2 the Ranting Gryphon said "It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about making sure we're all still here to disagree"
Did you say "The Tea-Baggers in america", not certain here but i think that means something completely different to what it was intended to mean. OFC i could be wrong, and it could be a "subtle" dig at the morons in the tea-party. :P
Yeh anyhow, what can ya do about climate change. at least it'l be warm eh. :P
Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bit, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bit, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bet, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
Yet again Mr Llewellin very good as per usually. My main concern is less about the climate change issue (which is beyond obviouse) and more to do with the effects of climate change. The whole fumbling and semantics exchanging between the "so called" inteligences and do'ers of this world is the thing that most anoys me. If the oceanic tides/flow shuts down then most of life on the planet will die (as a result of a melted Icecap not cooling water) regardless of HOW! Just a thought :)
When you say that "nobody" disputes that the climate is warming, I assume you mean "nobody who know what the hell they're talking about". Because one of the several, contradictory scripts that "climate skeptics" like to cycle through these days is that the climate isn't warming, but in fact cooling.
If you look up Youtube users Potholer54 and greenman3610, they have clips of prominent deniers preaching incredible rubbish to large audiences.
The right side of the fence (multinational businesses) own the other side. There isn't a big business/politician divide. There hasn't been for decades. The Fed own the American govt, and the BofE own ours.
Follow the money. Al Gore made about $100million in 8 years from his carbon initiatives.
Yes, less pollution is obviously a good thing. Not saying it isn't. But lets not forget a lot of 'green' people who 'warned us' are making unbelievable amounts of money in carbon dealing.
Great video, but repeat after me ... Weather is not Climate. You don't feel thee climate by sticking your head out the door and seeing if you freeze our burn your nose.
Anyone who says "If there is global warming, why is it so cold?" don't understand the problem, and a blind to the magnitude of the problem. I am firmly of the opinion that, Climate Change or Not, isn't it better to pollute less? Also, a lot of people worked behind the scenes to stop the Y2k problem. Complaining about Y2K not happening is like complaining that a bridge that was engineered to not fall down, failed to fall down. But theY2K media hype was a complete load of bollocks.
Some say we are already past "tipping point" - which kind of makes any remedial action a waste of time, effort and money. Others say that mankind's effect on climate change is tiny when compared to other factors such as natural cycles.
Cheers Bob - what bugs me is that humans expect the impossible. We expect infinite economic growth for an ever-expanding global human population, yet we have finite resources with which to make this happen. Climate change is just one death-knell of capitalism (given that oil drives the world's economy), and yet I take part in capitalism because it's the only game in town. Human stupidity is the only infinite resource we have.
Carbon credits are absolute bollocks. But I disagree about Y2K, it was overblown by the media and probably the worst thing to happen would be your tax was wrong.....
But the important thing about Y2K was something was actually done about it before the "doomsday" event arrived!! I think that's the important parallel here.
You sound a lot like my Sociology teacher which is perfectly cool,I'm really not sure on where I stand on this either,I'm pretty confident climate change is happening but I don't see how the big company's planting a couple of trees is gonna work out. I would imagine they are doing it to do dodge problems as per usual. so I guess I'm leaning on the fence here too I'm more scared of people who aren't in the public eye than those who are...
Carbon credits could almost be assigned to the corporate side of the fence/gate. It's a get out clause for them, where by they can carry on as usual, with no trying to adapt to new regulations.
If CO2 reduction is the right way to go, or not, they are just side stepping the system, just like they do with taxes. Planting a pile of trees doesn't reduce the output now.
I "believe in" global Climate Change. I find it disquieting that you have to "believe in" something that has been scientifically proven like I have to believe in the fact that the Earth is round or something like that. There is quite a lot of ample, scientific proof that the Earths climate is changing. We are causing it and we need to do something about it. Either that or get ready to spend billions moving people from the coasts.
allow me: FUCK THAT. Why lean on the fence. I see it more as a continuum & you can pick where you fit along it. Obviously you dont agree with the carbon credits so just move down liberal line to somewhere that you agree with. Lets take something with a longer history, like porn. Sure I might agree somethings with the rights about porn but I see porn as art and something positive and thus I say I'm (fairly) far left on porn even if I can agree on some points that the right may say.
I agree with you on both climate change and the stupidity of the Y2K thing. However, I disagree about your stance on swine flu. I think it was quite reasonable to try and take action against it. We've had pandemics in the past with huge casualties; the spanish flu being a notable example. It's impossible to know beforehand how hard a desease will strike, but today, when we have the ability to take preventive action, I think it is foolish not to do so.
I'm amazed you would weigh a right-wing blogger and a scientific consensus as if the two had an even pegging.
I seriously gave a crap about climate change while I was at university, so much so that I choose to do my dissertation on palaeoclimatic change. But when I left university I found pretty much everyone was dead stone ignorant about climate and (if they thought about it at all) just made the whole thing about politics. That killed me.
@GuanoLad I completely agree with you regarding climate change, but Y2K was based on the theory of one computer scientist in the 1980's who himself went on to utterly refute the theory. However by that time large corporations had worked out how to make money out of fear, the the media know fear sells and the whole Y2K thing was a con. I don't think this is the case with climate change, but it's one of the reasons people are skeptical
@bobbyllew I worked in IT for a big UK bank during Y2K and can assure you had it not been for a lot of hard work ad long nights on our part, the predictions of cash machines and other banking systems stopping working would of come true.
If we could have that amount of effort, unity and focus on a deadline on the climate, things would change quickly.
@backacheache I agree. I worked in an IT company that went to hundreds small companies and a lot of them would have had serious problems if we hadn't been able to fix it. And I absolutely did not make more money to do so.
@bobbyllew As a programmer who did some work on computers and databases affected by the Y2K bug, I have to disagree with this. There definitely was some exaggeration and money-wrangling going on, but at least part of the problem was absolutely genuine.
In fairness, none of the problems I encountered would have cost lives, but they would have had a significant data cost, i.e. serious (not critical, but still important) data loss, hassle with user accounts being disabled, that sort of thing.
@bobbyllew Whilst with y2k some people may have used it to con some people out of money. I can asure you it was a very real problem. How do I know this? Because I worked in IT over the tern of the century and the computers of customers who had lapsed on there support payments all stoped working, the computers basicly all thought it was 1900. The reason nothing major went wrong is, as GuanoLad said, was because all critical systems were addresed and replaced before hand.
@bobbyllew While the Y2K problem may have been overdone in the press, it was a real problem and we spent a lot of time fixing the software to cope with it. Sometimes temporarily as there were reports of failures 10 years later as the fix for Y2K broke.
@GuanoLad Why is *anybody* 'worried' about 'The Climate Debate'? Because they have been whipped up in to a frenzy of embarrassment about not having an opinion on the subject by 'the media' in a very controlled way in order to sell newspapers.
@GuanoLad It's a fact of nature that there are always enough stupid people to provide a market in which corrupt greedy bastards can operate. The more technical or specialised a subject the more this is likely to happen. Y2K wasn't particularly difficult to understand - still this happened to a certain extent. That doesn't change the plain and simple facts.
@GuanoLad The climate issue is way more complicated and unknowable than Y2K and hence will continue to provide untold business opportunities for total wankers for many decades to come. How long has the flying saucer/grey alien derived industry been going? (And that one's a genuine 24ct con.)
@bobbyllew Actually the Y2K problem was kind of real for those systems which were built in a way which made them vulnerable to it. Unfortunately, the worst thing which could have happened is that a computer thought it was 1978. Any machine on which lives rely will have redundancy measures for bugs like date errors, as they are commonplace with or without the Y2K bug. I tried my desktop PC back then by setting the date to 31.12.99 and waiting for the minute to tick over. Nothing exploded. Pity.
I really love your vlogs. While you do give your own opinion, I don't feel any urge to form, adjust or change my own, but rather your whole way of cons and pros and sides of the story motivates me to think about the whole issue again.
Personally I believe the CO2 'hype' is part nonsense. There simply are more and more dangerous gasses that cause the greenhouse effect. I believe the greenhouse effect is man made, although I do find opposing theories interesting as well.
Whether it is natural or man made is i think unimportant because the Earths temperature and CO2 levels have been far higher in the past than they are now. At the time of the dinosaurs the poles were covered in forests due to the heat.
So the heat won't matter, we will adapt, technology will allow us to create more drought resistant crops and other coping mechanisms. Reducing pollution should be more about chemical damage to the environment instead of just increasing temperatures.
@imr22 I take it you've factored in the millions of people likely to die in the natural disasters that will almost certainly accompany environmental changes of that nature? You seem to imagine it will be a gentle ride. We'll throw out our woolly jumpers and buy Hawaiian shirts
@imr22 Yes that's true, but i hope you do realise the sea was hundreds of meters higher in that period? That alone will whipe out countries and mean a lot of damage to our infrastructure.
And about adapting plants so that they can deal with the changing climate:
No matter what we do the seas will eventually rise, the fact they were higher in the past proves that. So maybe instead of trying to reverse climate change we should adapt our infrastructure.
I am also well aware of the effects of increased CO2 concentration on plants. However the CO2 has also been higher in the past and the planet and species adapted as always. We have the advantage of genetic engineering other species never had.
@imr22 We know the reason why temperature is rising, which is the cause of melting ice caps, if we stop that cause sea levels won't rise. So it won't be a case of no matter what we do the seas will rise.
And my point in that video was that CO2 has far more effects than just being a fertilizer. The changes in the climate a rise in CO2 causes is what's problematic. And there's absolutely no guarantee that we can react fast enough. Let alone move entire agricultural regions due to changes.
Personally, I am not worried about global warming. If it wipes out the world, I will be long dead and even if it does it sooner? Then that is what the human race deserves. I am NOT big on the human race at all. And I think the universe will do fine without us. So if we save ourselves - good for us. If we don't - we will get what we deserve.
Good luck with your book judging Robert - must be quite a feather in your cap.
Hmmm, carbon credits. The common sense method to make burning fossil fuels more expensive would surely just be to tax them as and when they come out of the ground.
However it seems lobbyists managed to convince/pay someone to decide that "a trading system will create a competitive marketplace which will lower costs and provide incentives meh meh". If you think about it for 5 mins you can see that increasing the number of middlemen is just going to leak money from the system no?
@Boodieman72 I've read the reports that came out after this whole incident, and I have taken a deep look in a lot of the e-mails that are still being paraded about. It's fucking nonsense.
There is no shred of evidence that the science indeed is flawed.
if climate change predictions bring us electric cars and nuclear fusion sooner , reducing pollution out of the air , land and waters, Great, y2k and bird flu were more immediate. climate warnings and all the terrible effects of bad air have been known for decades like smoking fags, give it up , asap.
i think i lean on the fence the same side as you, but not for the same reasons, i am cynical about everything so i dont really believe either side, but i think about the future and realise that eventually we wont be using fossil fules, and that clean renuable energy will be in the majority and it will probably be the same companies ie. shell fusion power
that own the rights, but i think the sooner we give in and accept progress the better
I've been saying that carbon credits were a massive con/bull$4|7 since I first heard of them. No need to be leaning on the fence - take up fencing! =)
I'm being a massive pedant here, but that should probably be "anthropogenic" climate change, not "anthropomorphic". Unless of course people are claiming that the climate is very angry with us :P
Other than that, pretty much agree with you as usual!
@mush01 Damn, you are right. Damn my stupidity, and I've just been reading about it. Not like a written blog where I can drop in and correct it, my stupidity is on display for .... as long as YouTube lasts.
@bobbyllew Anthropogenic climate change being the issue is something that can be measured. Living in a post glacial period like we do allows us to measure climate change and also the rate of change. Those who think climate change is fictional tend to quote the former without looking at the latter.
@bobbyllew We all make mistakes though! I'm sure your viewers can forgive you! Unlike the tosspots that are in charge and supposedly looking out for our "best interests". I'm really interested to know what your opinion is on the new university fees. I'm a current student and as such, unaffected by the new charges, but I can't help my sense of dread reading about it all. What do you think? Will that be a potential future Wet Liberal?
@bobbyllew You could always put up an annotation that you misspoke. It's a perfect way to acknowledge an mistake and correct it without pulling/re-uploading the entire video.
Saturday, Sunday and Monday were blistering, people were walking around burnt to a crisp. Tuesday and today it's been bitter cold!
Regardless of what we do, it will never come even close equalling out the output from China and the US. The US will never change it's lifestyle and China will never risk damaging their growth.
@LostZombieLaz 40-50 years (within a lot of people's lifetimes) is a long time for things to change (never mind forever), just think of what's happened in the last half century. Even if everyone tried things could never stay the same, so why not hope that when things change they change for the better?
Although I do accept that some things, depressingly, do seem to remain a theme through history.
@LostZombieLaz We need nuclear fusion by the end of this decade, not in 30 years. solar satellites microwaving energy to earth, or large arrays of solar cells in the deserts , or all three. we need a global effort all at the same time just like a war effort, but all of us shooting for the same goal, imagine how many goals we can score together.it is possible, but the evil multi's want us to use every last spark plug and oil filter before anything changes. They continue to make parts. : /
Great rant Bobby L. Except Carbon Credits is an excellent route for polluting companies and individuals to start accepting responsibility for the pollution they emit and start looking at less polluting options. If in this transition they pay money into a fund that plant trees, that’s a GREAT thing in my book.
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TheTempestSpark 7 months ago
And you did'nt dry !!!! Amazing !!!!
magna59 8 months ago
No video in ages, Bobby. What you been up to?
theoriginalshaun 8 months ago 2
Part of me thinks If Mr Barrie sees this he'll agree with driving the Jag some more :P
demonblues 9 months ago
One thing that made me end any beliefs of man made climate change was a scientist who was able to accurately predict the weather 1 year advance by examining the sun.
jamesffxl 10 months ago
@jamesffxl Lucky guy then. Not a scientist. No self respecting serious scientist would claim that 1 confirmed prediction constitutes evidence that is even relevant to climate change. Climate is about global patterns and trends over 30 years, not what the weather was like on one day in one place one year after another day.
grungerman 5 months ago
@grungerman
No, he makes several accurate predictions up to a year in advance. The man is Piers Corbyn and plenty of farmers pay for his forecasts because he is so accurate. He has predicted several storms more than 6 months in advance including Hurricane Irene.
jamesffxl 5 months ago
anyone else think his hair looks a bit like Doc Brown in Back To The Future?
TripTucker 10 months ago
Carbon does NOT cause global warming. Carbon represents .054% of the greenhouse gases. Of that .054%, man is estimated at contributing 9% of that. So nothing. This is a con just like the Ozone layer back in the 90s.
drtyrell969 10 months ago
The planet has been getting colder every year. That's the change that's going on.
drtyrell969 10 months ago
@drtyrell969 - Congratulations. You have accepted the deniers lies hook, line, and sinker.
sappha58 9 months ago 3
I blindly agree with everyone so i dont have to argue with you all, as always thanks for the vid bobby
bobbins05 10 months ago
Saying that carbon trading is a "con" is quite frankly nonsense. Moreover, any attempt at a solution to climate change which does not make it economical for people to participate in it is doomed to failure.
LordZentei 10 months ago
i was under the impression that we are all made of carbon..? or is it 1/4th carbon 3parts water..wtf are these so called scientists saying ?
TheFreeman35 10 months ago
A good explanation I like
watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo
nshiell 10 months ago
A very good attempt to explain the situation. Sadly, those corporations also control the media in the states, and in the UK (and Canada I presume) a majority of people no longer believe in climate change. It was easier to convince people when we had 10 of the warmest winters on record. It`s harder when it`s still snowing in late April (Canada). Frankly, I think 51% of the people have difficulty believing in anything they can`t hit with a rock. Sigh.
greyareaRK1 10 months ago
Oh, and another thing. Please pay attention to the difference between weather and climate. Every time someone confuses these completely different concepts in a public space is another nail in the coffin of public understanding on the subject. (And more profit for newspapers who rely on public stupidity.)
spacemagick 10 months ago
Sorry Bob, but you make yourself look a bit of a twat by citing Y2K in this context. There really were a large number of very hazardous possible outcomes of doing nothing about it. A great deal of money and effort was expended on modifying millions of lines of code in in thousands of organisations in order to evade the issues. That you can stand here now and rant that 'nothing happened' is clear proof of money and effort well spent. Let's not have this nonsense again, please. :)
spacemagick 10 months ago
@spacemagick Ah, this reminds me of that old, old joke. Two guys in a pub, one guy says to the other, "I have something realy cool to show you." He brings from behind his back a huge gun. Shocked, the other guy says, "Good greif! What are you doin with an elephant gun, there are no elephants in our town! The first guy says, "Good gun, isn't it." Just because you take a "remedy" does not mean you had a malady in the first place, you may have been conned by a flim flam man selling magic water.
LoriCiani 10 months ago
The most interesting bit of this video is the bit he cut out.
EvilUmpire 10 months ago
In Canada here, having a Federal election. Climate change does not exist for the Darth Harper 'Tories'. Talks about climate change and 'Darth' may drown you with Puffin poop like he did to Dion, a Canadian politician.
SterlingUndem 10 months ago
@SterlingUndem It's sad that the only mentions of climate change have been made the left-wing NDP. The Green Party gets no coverage at all. Has everyone forgotten Harper belongs to an extreme Christian church (a la the nut bars in the southern states), his Science Minister was a creationist, he slashed the already meagre science and research budget, and on it goes. Then there's his embarrassing international stance on climate change. We're screwed if he gets a majority.
greyareaRK1 10 months ago
Very amusing and at the same time very true in a very scary way. People hardly think about that information is seldom a mere representation of facts, but usually a story with an angle. That being climate change, swine flu or the financial markets.
Big corporations make money when the masses are moving, they want revolution (as they represent the facts) not evolution (as things usually go). Holland is still sitting on millions of bird flu vaccins...
advandermeer 10 months ago
Oh please Glabal warming isnt CAUSED by human activity it merely ACCELERATES it. @kurtb8474 Just because we have had a bitter winter does not mean global warming isnt happening its total B******s.
I agree with you know Bobby that people have been lying and its all due to their own personal agendas. It's stupid and annoying. All I want is cold hard facts so people like me can just MAKE A DECISION.
paulsky1 10 months ago
ROBERT LLEWELLYN FOR PRIME MINISTER
MiniatureTuxedo 10 months ago
10:45 ROFLYSST
I got swine flu, wasn't that bad. They didn't make such a big fuss over it here. My city was named 'the swine flu capital of the world' yet there wasn't a face mask in sight.
You needn’t worry about the polar ice caps drowning Britain, the Arctic may be shrinking but Antarctica is growing. And the glaciers are supposed to dissapear, the Ice age hasn't finnished ending yet. I'm all for being green and everything but telling people convenient bullshit is no way to get them on board.
DottyDotDitto 10 months ago
I'm happy with people being on one side of the fence or leaning on it - however why do both sides need to pull crazy figures out of the air? Who can possibly say what percentage of scientists think? To say this you need to know exactly how many scientists there are in the world Then you need to ask every single one of them the same climate questions. This has never been done, so anyone saying 95% of scientists think this or that is talking bollocks to start with.
russellgreeno 10 months ago
Why do we have to wait for a possible disaster before we even think of doing what's right for the future, for our decendants, for our planet? Why does there always have to be an impending, horrific flood before we think of flood barriers? We are always on the brink of some disaster. Why don't we just care for each other and the planet we live on? Oh, mrblacksheep, I'm not good with foreign languages but here goes. (cough) "Mi cassa, su cassa."
LoriCiani 10 months ago
I think the "global warming, it's melting it's melting" ppl are right.and that is is not so much caused but rather enhanced by mankind.However I do not think it will very much effect me or my generation so I say let someone else deal with it.People in general do not care,even the younger ones who will have children that will be effected by this climate change directly.You don't care that your house is on fire why the hell should I?
mrblacksheep1o1 10 months ago
Nice to see I'm not the only one who has a feeling that this whole carbon-credits-trade is a little fishy...
commanderkruge 10 months ago
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Calling them "teabaggers" at 3:13 destroys this guy's credibility. It's namecalling and a disgusting term for an organization that is neither right nor left.
3:47 Not ALL of the scientists. Ever hear of 'climategate?' Look it up.
4:10 World temps are not rising. Just asked those in the US midwest who just endured the coldest winter they've ever had. It's STILL cold in California. The icecaps are not melting.
6:05 More namecalling.
kurtb8474 10 months ago
@kurtb8474 No not all, but 97% agree on it that it is warming and it is us. Think I'll listen to the 97% instead of the 3% that disagrees. Which so far has worked wonders for me with my medical treatments.
Also the icecaps are melting. Just take a look at the data from NSIDC or anyone else that has datasets on the arctic/antarctic (antarctic is minor currently).
And about the cold weather:
watch?v=7aiI8_mSDpc
A cold winter cannot disprove in a region cannot disprove a global warming trend.
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
@kurtb8474 Obviously I have heard of climategate, ever heard of the enormous investigation and reports which utterly refute the nonsense that was screamed out about this. Calling the tea party teabaggers may be name calling but how you can possibly claim that this group of disgruntled, old, 99% white middle class Americans is not right wing is comical.
Global temperatures are rising, you are talking about weather.
bobbyllew 10 months ago 25
@bobbyllew I'm with ya ,I have never ,ever,heard of a young liberal teabagger
anaverageatheist 10 months ago
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nshiell 10 months ago
@bobbyllew - don't forget that the teabaggers gave themselves that very name to start with.
sappha58 10 months ago
@kurtb8474 one could winter has nothing to do with climate change, daily weather has nothing to do with climate change. what you need to look at is the icecap size over the past 50 years, then you will understand what climate change actually is.
climate and weather are two very different subjects.
ralphzimmermann 10 months ago
@kurtb8474 Global temperatures ARE increasing. Its getting colder in some places, but hotter in a lot of places where it is now getting harder to produce food.
hostroute 10 months ago
@kurtb8474 Also world temperatures are rising, and falling, we are getting more extreme inhospitable climates...
AlexBranson 8 months ago
@kurtb8474 Global Warming refers to the Average temperature of the world rising. Because of the affects this can have on the currents that circle the Earth it has been shown to change weather dramatically in certain areas whether it be colder or hotter. This is why Global Warming is more appropriately referred to as Global Climate Change. Why don't you stop worrying about protecting the Teabaggers from well deserved criticism and actually understand these things before you post such rubbish. ;)
Novaseta 8 months ago
Two problems: Energy shortage and Greedy Bankers.
One solution: Burn the Bankers
Prunesqualer 10 months ago 6
I'm scared of the second group of guys you mentioned!
kennythekettle 10 months ago
Reminds me of how the world is supposed to end next year, according to the Mayan calendar. Sheepers, even Mayan descendants acknowledge that as bullocks! I don't believe anything is going to happen in 2012 that isn't caused by human influence, but if it does, well, not much I can do about a naturally occurring global catastrophe, then, is there?
Phegmore 10 months ago
@Phegmore You just know there's going to be a segment of the 2012ers who will latch onto a totally non-catastrophic, even harmless event, and try to pass it off as the prophesied 'new beginning.'
I wonder how many children born on December 21st will be claimed by their Christian parents to be Jesus.
Saerain 10 months ago
Even if climate change were a natural thing...and nothing to do with human activities...Shouldn't we still worry about it's effects?...Even if we are not sure of it's cause?...The problems we see today may be mild compared to the havoc which is yet to come...We all know things are not like they used to be...Thinking of what could be on the way is a terrifying thing.
dburr13 10 months ago
Doh! I thought my computer was dialing out!
zenzmurfy 10 months ago
Can anyone please tell me the son on his intro? Driving me mad!
hezzward 10 months ago
After all of that I'm not sure I can really beleive he's leaning on the fence. Sounds like he's (rightly) sprinting away from it. Good of him to try to be balanced but 'some loony right-wing bloggers' vs 'almost every scientist, government and NGO ever' makes it reasonably clear where his opinions lie...and a good place for them to be too.
=-)
JPBStory 10 months ago
Well done Bob.
SpockBoy 10 months ago
1 YouTuber is not a fan of Kryten . . . . . . what a Smeeeeee Heeeeeee : D
doctorwhoone 10 months ago 3
I think the key is to believe the scientists, but ignore the government. The governments are always gonna screw it up, until they listen to the scientists solutions.
I think this is where you're fence theme falls down - there's a third position in this debate: Hating the idiot right-wing retards AND disapproving of how governments are going about 'fixing' the problem.
And after all the idiots confusing weather and climate, could you try and refrain from blurring the boundaries too?
RohanTheTeaLover 10 months ago
best video ever, saying exactly what i and many of my friends think. :) i look foreward to you next vid :)
PiperTheGreatX 10 months ago
I truly enjoy these, and I think we just aren't being approached in the proper manner. I think everyone needs to do just a few small things. Just four, the four that work for you. For me, it's a high MPG car (mine gets 45mpg typically), I turn off any adapters in my house and lights that aren't in use, I use my canvas grocery bags, and I recycle my trash.
I think if everyone just found their four things, we would be a lot better off.
Kelvington 10 months ago
I remember all of the Y2K hoopla and all of the extreme overreaction from various Governments and especially the mass media. And what happened? Nothing, or next to nothing. I believe there were some computer banking systems in New Zealand that were affected or something.
As to climate change, it's so hard to tell who's right and wrong in this debate. We get so much info from all sides thrust at us every day that it's difficult to sort out the truth from the crap. Food for thought anyway.
LokiLeysmith 10 months ago
awesoem video and essential that people keep an OPEN MIND - on the one hand the hard core of conspiracy theorists see climate change as a globalists plan to enslave and tax us all and on the other side corrupt politicians who are in bed with the oil company's - This is a reality that causes a thick fog on either side!
slaxxxer 10 months ago
What does the vast majority of Scientists say about the issue? Whatever that is is what I'm backing. I don't trust any opinions from anyone.
ScooperGetHype 10 months ago
I'm definitely on the side of the scientists, something needs to be done now or the effects will be serious. Carbon credits sound stupid though
cooljack1995 10 months ago
Something bad is happening and someone is trying to make money out of it? That's never happened before.
97-98% of scientists agree according to a recent study (pnas(dot)org/content/early/2010/06/04/1003187107) but then again climate "skeptics" will say it's all made up and they support REAL studies where you send in a bit of paper to someone claiming you have a Bsc degree.
IAmNotKira 10 months ago
Was Blaire booted out when he screwed up?
TruthBeyond 10 months ago
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What's Y2K? I keep hearing it.
GTAIVFan17 10 months ago
I hate people who think that science is arrogant. Simply not the case. Without science, we would be nowhere further than cavemen. The caveman experimented, and that's how we have developed.
12345l6789 10 months ago
carbon credits are the most stupid idea ever
angrywhenroused 10 months ago 2
Manmade climate change is arguably the biggest example of erroneous scientific group-think in history. An easy way to debunk climate science is to look how they have treated the issue of "runaway greenhouse effect" on Venus. They basically blame CO2 for causing the temperature to rise from a frigid -42C to 467C (more than the melting point of lead). It's crap. I'd like them to replicate such allegedly powerful effects here, but guess what...they can't, otherwise they'd solve the energy crisis.
PersianPaladin 10 months ago
@PersianPaladin This argument didn't even make any sense... You might want to look up infrared absorption spectra which they use to figure those things out and why we know that CO2 is the cause for that warming (with a few other factors).
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
@CollinMaessen
Oh, it does. Google "Climate science and intellectual integrity" and check the first search result by Hoz Turner. Then read the blog article. It is very revealing.
PersianPaladin 10 months ago
@PersianPaladin Sorry but any website that actually links to, and makes it case, based on arguments that for example there is no nuclear reaction going on in the sun is absolutely bullshit. And in the same article the writer admits he's a truther he looses all credibility.
I would strongly suggest you use better sources for your opinions, as this I cannot label as anything else than bullshit.
Oh and btw, compression of the atmosphere cannot sustain the temperatures we see on Venus.
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
@CollinMaessen
I am afraid you have the attitude of a man who is too strongly wedded to the cult of group-think, and therefore lack the intellectual boldness to fully study evidence that goes against the majority.
PersianPaladin 10 months ago
@PersianPaladin Cult of group-think? :D
I think you made that comment before you knew that I'm part of SkepticTV. So no I don't have any trouble dealing with, and evaluating, contrary evidence. My comment I made towards you is that what you cite as evidence is not it, it's a blog that goes against scientific evidence without providing any itself. And as such I claim bullshit.
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
@PersianPaladin
To pull a line from the epic sitcom that Mr Llewellyn stared in, and indeed it's part of one of his lines: "Might I suggest that from this moment the rest of the discourse is conducted by those with brains larger than a grape."
AngryWomble 10 months ago
i don't think we should really be wasting time bickering about what exactly causes global warming. the fact is, its happening, and it needs to be prevented. unless you're a raving lunatic who thinks its all a big conspiracy taking up most of the worlds credible scientists, you have to agree that the climate is changing with very serious consequences for humanity if we don't prevent it. finger pointing on what causes it is only delaying work on actually developing the tech needed to stop it.
JCnightwing 10 months ago
What ate your thought on new, synthetic blue petroleum being developed in Spain?
circutracer150 10 months ago
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That's a lot of books to have to read, do you get to keep them all?
Ironballs69 10 months ago
You aren't wet liberal at all, you're intelligent and reasoned. Not knowing what's going on is the only sensible position to take because there are no absolutes.
retread01 10 months ago
I'm sure Drill 'n' Burn is a solicitors.
malango255 10 months ago
@bobbyllew An interesting argument certainly. The only problem is, the longer the two parties keep bickering about it, the less time we're spending actually fixing this potential problem which is I think is the worst thing about it. I mean, if this is something that can destroy the planet, should we not all be on the same page? I'm going to take something 2 the Ranting Gryphon said "It's not about who is right and who is wrong. It's about making sure we're all still here to disagree"
Kutan 10 months ago
Did you say "The Tea-Baggers in america", not certain here but i think that means something completely different to what it was intended to mean. OFC i could be wrong, and it could be a "subtle" dig at the morons in the tea-party. :P
Yeh anyhow, what can ya do about climate change. at least it'l be warm eh. :P
qpoon 10 months ago
A good bobbyllew rant always picks up my day. Thank you.
Textra1 10 months ago
Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bit, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
zboy303 10 months ago
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Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bit, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
zboy303 10 months ago
Surely we could take a 'Pascal's Wager' approach to this and just bet on man-made climate change being true. The worst that can happen then is that we give off less CO2 and worry less about whether it's us that's causing the problems in the first place. At least then we'll have done our bet, even if mother nature doesn't want to play ball.
zboy303 10 months ago
Yet again Mr Llewellin very good as per usually. My main concern is less about the climate change issue (which is beyond obviouse) and more to do with the effects of climate change. The whole fumbling and semantics exchanging between the "so called" inteligences and do'ers of this world is the thing that most anoys me. If the oceanic tides/flow shuts down then most of life on the planet will die (as a result of a melted Icecap not cooling water) regardless of HOW! Just a thought :)
Palendrome69 10 months ago
When you say that "nobody" disputes that the climate is warming, I assume you mean "nobody who know what the hell they're talking about". Because one of the several, contradictory scripts that "climate skeptics" like to cycle through these days is that the climate isn't warming, but in fact cooling.
If you look up Youtube users Potholer54 and greenman3610, they have clips of prominent deniers preaching incredible rubbish to large audiences.
LurkingForJustice 10 months ago
The right side of the fence (multinational businesses) own the other side. There isn't a big business/politician divide. There hasn't been for decades. The Fed own the American govt, and the BofE own ours.
Follow the money. Al Gore made about $100million in 8 years from his carbon initiatives.
Yes, less pollution is obviously a good thing. Not saying it isn't. But lets not forget a lot of 'green' people who 'warned us' are making unbelievable amounts of money in carbon dealing.
khimbar123 10 months ago
Great video, but repeat after me ... Weather is not Climate. You don't feel thee climate by sticking your head out the door and seeing if you freeze our burn your nose.
Slugsie1 10 months ago
Anyone who says "If there is global warming, why is it so cold?" don't understand the problem, and a blind to the magnitude of the problem. I am firmly of the opinion that, Climate Change or Not, isn't it better to pollute less? Also, a lot of people worked behind the scenes to stop the Y2k problem. Complaining about Y2K not happening is like complaining that a bridge that was engineered to not fall down, failed to fall down. But theY2K media hype was a complete load of bollocks.
battyden 10 months ago
Is the climate changing?
Yes it is.
Has climate changed before?
Yes it has -- in fact it's *always* changing.
Is the latest climate change down to man?
At least in part it probably is.
Are we doomed?
Some say we are already past "tipping point" - which kind of makes any remedial action a waste of time, effort and money. Others say that mankind's effect on climate change is tiny when compared to other factors such as natural cycles.
When will someone admit: WE DON'T KNOW!
xjet 10 months ago
Cheers Bob - what bugs me is that humans expect the impossible. We expect infinite economic growth for an ever-expanding global human population, yet we have finite resources with which to make this happen. Climate change is just one death-knell of capitalism (given that oil drives the world's economy), and yet I take part in capitalism because it's the only game in town. Human stupidity is the only infinite resource we have.
Squagnut 10 months ago
Carbon credits are absolute bollocks. But I disagree about Y2K, it was overblown by the media and probably the worst thing to happen would be your tax was wrong.....
But the important thing about Y2K was something was actually done about it before the "doomsday" event arrived!! I think that's the important parallel here.
ruuman 10 months ago
You sound a lot like my Sociology teacher which is perfectly cool,I'm really not sure on where I stand on this either,I'm pretty confident climate change is happening but I don't see how the big company's planting a couple of trees is gonna work out. I would imagine they are doing it to do dodge problems as per usual. so I guess I'm leaning on the fence here too I'm more scared of people who aren't in the public eye than those who are...
amevilee 10 months ago
Carbon credits could almost be assigned to the corporate side of the fence/gate. It's a get out clause for them, where by they can carry on as usual, with no trying to adapt to new regulations.
If CO2 reduction is the right way to go, or not, they are just side stepping the system, just like they do with taxes. Planting a pile of trees doesn't reduce the output now.
AnIrrationalRatio 10 months ago
I "believe in" global Climate Change. I find it disquieting that you have to "believe in" something that has been scientifically proven like I have to believe in the fact that the Earth is round or something like that. There is quite a lot of ample, scientific proof that the Earths climate is changing. We are causing it and we need to do something about it. Either that or get ready to spend billions moving people from the coasts.
spacestevie2 10 months ago
allow me: FUCK THAT. Why lean on the fence. I see it more as a continuum & you can pick where you fit along it. Obviously you dont agree with the carbon credits so just move down liberal line to somewhere that you agree with. Lets take something with a longer history, like porn. Sure I might agree somethings with the rights about porn but I see porn as art and something positive and thus I say I'm (fairly) far left on porn even if I can agree on some points that the right may say.
dragade101 10 months ago
I agree with you on both climate change and the stupidity of the Y2K thing. However, I disagree about your stance on swine flu. I think it was quite reasonable to try and take action against it. We've had pandemics in the past with huge casualties; the spanish flu being a notable example. It's impossible to know beforehand how hard a desease will strike, but today, when we have the ability to take preventive action, I think it is foolish not to do so.
silverstream314 10 months ago
I'm amazed you would weigh a right-wing blogger and a scientific consensus as if the two had an even pegging.
I seriously gave a crap about climate change while I was at university, so much so that I choose to do my dissertation on palaeoclimatic change. But when I left university I found pretty much everyone was dead stone ignorant about climate and (if they thought about it at all) just made the whole thing about politics. That killed me.
Science made me care. People made me stop.
9thgate 10 months ago 30
@9thgate
"Science made me care. People made me stop."
So true about so many topics.
TheApe81 10 months ago
The reason Y2K did not end up in global disaster was because it was recognised, accepted as happening, and addressed.
If Climate Change is not accepted as happening, and is not addressed, then disaster will happen. Possibly terminal disaster.
GuanoLad 10 months ago 18
@GuanoLad I completely agree with you regarding climate change, but Y2K was based on the theory of one computer scientist in the 1980's who himself went on to utterly refute the theory. However by that time large corporations had worked out how to make money out of fear, the the media know fear sells and the whole Y2K thing was a con. I don't think this is the case with climate change, but it's one of the reasons people are skeptical
bobbyllew 10 months ago 13
@bobbyllew I worked in IT for a big UK bank during Y2K and can assure you had it not been for a lot of hard work ad long nights on our part, the predictions of cash machines and other banking systems stopping working would of come true.
If we could have that amount of effort, unity and focus on a deadline on the climate, things would change quickly.
backacheache 10 months ago 2
@backacheache I agree. I worked in an IT company that went to hundreds small companies and a lot of them would have had serious problems if we hadn't been able to fix it. And I absolutely did not make more money to do so.
leorcc 10 months ago
@bobbyllew As a programmer who did some work on computers and databases affected by the Y2K bug, I have to disagree with this. There definitely was some exaggeration and money-wrangling going on, but at least part of the problem was absolutely genuine.
In fairness, none of the problems I encountered would have cost lives, but they would have had a significant data cost, i.e. serious (not critical, but still important) data loss, hassle with user accounts being disabled, that sort of thing.
JeFurry 10 months ago
@bobbyllew Whilst with y2k some people may have used it to con some people out of money. I can asure you it was a very real problem. How do I know this? Because I worked in IT over the tern of the century and the computers of customers who had lapsed on there support payments all stoped working, the computers basicly all thought it was 1900. The reason nothing major went wrong is, as GuanoLad said, was because all critical systems were addresed and replaced before hand.
spacemonkeyjim 10 months ago
@bobbyllew While the Y2K problem may have been overdone in the press, it was a real problem and we spent a lot of time fixing the software to cope with it. Sometimes temporarily as there were reports of failures 10 years later as the fix for Y2K broke.
hudsomi1 10 months ago
@GuanoLad Why is *anybody* 'worried' about 'The Climate Debate'? Because they have been whipped up in to a frenzy of embarrassment about not having an opinion on the subject by 'the media' in a very controlled way in order to sell newspapers.
spacemagick 10 months ago
@GuanoLad It's a fact of nature that there are always enough stupid people to provide a market in which corrupt greedy bastards can operate. The more technical or specialised a subject the more this is likely to happen. Y2K wasn't particularly difficult to understand - still this happened to a certain extent. That doesn't change the plain and simple facts.
spacemagick 10 months ago
@GuanoLad The climate issue is way more complicated and unknowable than Y2K and hence will continue to provide untold business opportunities for total wankers for many decades to come. How long has the flying saucer/grey alien derived industry been going? (And that one's a genuine 24ct con.)
spacemagick 10 months ago
@bobbyllew Actually the Y2K problem was kind of real for those systems which were built in a way which made them vulnerable to it. Unfortunately, the worst thing which could have happened is that a computer thought it was 1978. Any machine on which lives rely will have redundancy measures for bugs like date errors, as they are commonplace with or without the Y2K bug. I tried my desktop PC back then by setting the date to 31.12.99 and waiting for the minute to tick over. Nothing exploded. Pity.
jacksawild 10 months ago
I really love your vlogs. While you do give your own opinion, I don't feel any urge to form, adjust or change my own, but rather your whole way of cons and pros and sides of the story motivates me to think about the whole issue again.
Personally I believe the CO2 'hype' is part nonsense. There simply are more and more dangerous gasses that cause the greenhouse effect. I believe the greenhouse effect is man made, although I do find opposing theories interesting as well.
MGSGeneral 10 months ago
Whether it is natural or man made is i think unimportant because the Earths temperature and CO2 levels have been far higher in the past than they are now. At the time of the dinosaurs the poles were covered in forests due to the heat.
So the heat won't matter, we will adapt, technology will allow us to create more drought resistant crops and other coping mechanisms. Reducing pollution should be more about chemical damage to the environment instead of just increasing temperatures.
imr22 10 months ago
@imr22 I take it you've factored in the millions of people likely to die in the natural disasters that will almost certainly accompany environmental changes of that nature? You seem to imagine it will be a gentle ride. We'll throw out our woolly jumpers and buy Hawaiian shirts
DingoBabyEat 10 months ago
@imr22 Yes that's true, but i hope you do realise the sea was hundreds of meters higher in that period? That alone will whipe out countries and mean a lot of damage to our infrastructure.
And about adapting plants so that they can deal with the changing climate:
watch?v=XmcPBKCRplQ
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
@CollinMaessen
No matter what we do the seas will eventually rise, the fact they were higher in the past proves that. So maybe instead of trying to reverse climate change we should adapt our infrastructure.
I am also well aware of the effects of increased CO2 concentration on plants. However the CO2 has also been higher in the past and the planet and species adapted as always. We have the advantage of genetic engineering other species never had.
imr22 10 months ago
@imr22 We know the reason why temperature is rising, which is the cause of melting ice caps, if we stop that cause sea levels won't rise. So it won't be a case of no matter what we do the seas will rise.
And my point in that video was that CO2 has far more effects than just being a fertilizer. The changes in the climate a rise in CO2 causes is what's problematic. And there's absolutely no guarantee that we can react fast enough. Let alone move entire agricultural regions due to changes.
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
Well said Robert.
Personally, I am not worried about global warming. If it wipes out the world, I will be long dead and even if it does it sooner? Then that is what the human race deserves. I am NOT big on the human race at all. And I think the universe will do fine without us. So if we save ourselves - good for us. If we don't - we will get what we deserve.
Good luck with your book judging Robert - must be quite a feather in your cap.
McRocket 10 months ago
Hmmm, carbon credits. The common sense method to make burning fossil fuels more expensive would surely just be to tax them as and when they come out of the ground.
However it seems lobbyists managed to convince/pay someone to decide that "a trading system will create a competitive marketplace which will lower costs and provide incentives meh meh". If you think about it for 5 mins you can see that increasing the number of middlemen is just going to leak money from the system no?
ninjabob2456 10 months ago
For me Climategate changed my way of thinking. Oh and peer review, by the same type of people that got the numbers wrong to start with.
I'm not for dill and burn, but I no longer believe in the man made climate change stuff.
Boodieman72 10 months ago
@Boodieman72 I hope you've looked deeply enough into climategate (ie the context) to come to that conclusion...
ninjabob2456 10 months ago
@ninjabob2456 Yes I have
Boodieman72 10 months ago
@Boodieman72 I've read the reports that came out after this whole incident, and I have taken a deep look in a lot of the e-mails that are still being paraded about. It's fucking nonsense.
There is no shred of evidence that the science indeed is flawed.
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CollinMaessen 10 months ago
if climate change predictions bring us electric cars and nuclear fusion sooner , reducing pollution out of the air , land and waters, Great, y2k and bird flu were more immediate. climate warnings and all the terrible effects of bad air have been known for decades like smoking fags, give it up , asap.
rainbowsalads 10 months ago
i think i lean on the fence the same side as you, but not for the same reasons, i am cynical about everything so i dont really believe either side, but i think about the future and realise that eventually we wont be using fossil fules, and that clean renuable energy will be in the majority and it will probably be the same companies ie. shell fusion power
that own the rights, but i think the sooner we give in and accept progress the better
thestalkinghead 10 months ago
I've been saying that carbon credits were a massive con/bull$4|7 since I first heard of them. No need to be leaning on the fence - take up fencing! =)
sappha58 10 months ago
I'm being a massive pedant here, but that should probably be "anthropogenic" climate change, not "anthropomorphic". Unless of course people are claiming that the climate is very angry with us :P
Other than that, pretty much agree with you as usual!
mush01 10 months ago 3
@mush01 Damn, you are right. Damn my stupidity, and I've just been reading about it. Not like a written blog where I can drop in and correct it, my stupidity is on display for .... as long as YouTube lasts.
bobbyllew 10 months ago 5
@bobbyllew Anthropogenic climate change being the issue is something that can be measured. Living in a post glacial period like we do allows us to measure climate change and also the rate of change. Those who think climate change is fictional tend to quote the former without looking at the latter.
falchion49 10 months ago
@bobbyllew We all make mistakes though! I'm sure your viewers can forgive you! Unlike the tosspots that are in charge and supposedly looking out for our "best interests". I'm really interested to know what your opinion is on the new university fees. I'm a current student and as such, unaffected by the new charges, but I can't help my sense of dread reading about it all. What do you think? Will that be a potential future Wet Liberal?
brightdeathfriend 10 months ago
@bobbyllew You could always put up an annotation that you misspoke. It's a perfect way to acknowledge an mistake and correct it without pulling/re-uploading the entire video.
CollinMaessen 10 months ago
Saturday, Sunday and Monday were blistering, people were walking around burnt to a crisp. Tuesday and today it's been bitter cold!
Regardless of what we do, it will never come even close equalling out the output from China and the US. The US will never change it's lifestyle and China will never risk damaging their growth.
LostZombieLaz 10 months ago
@LostZombieLaz 40-50 years (within a lot of people's lifetimes) is a long time for things to change (never mind forever), just think of what's happened in the last half century. Even if everyone tried things could never stay the same, so why not hope that when things change they change for the better?
Although I do accept that some things, depressingly, do seem to remain a theme through history.
ninjabob2456 10 months ago
@LostZombieLaz We need nuclear fusion by the end of this decade, not in 30 years. solar satellites microwaving energy to earth, or large arrays of solar cells in the deserts , or all three. we need a global effort all at the same time just like a war effort, but all of us shooting for the same goal, imagine how many goals we can score together.it is possible, but the evil multi's want us to use every last spark plug and oil filter before anything changes. They continue to make parts. : /
rainbowsalads 10 months ago