The upper classes that you choose to disregard have the power to demand commercial vesels use altenative routes and to restrict the Solent to club members only. There are already murmurs in the cocktail lounge after the races that suggest that wiser councels will have been shown to have prevailed if tradesvessels were to proceed more carefully through club waters in future. I think that concludes the matter.
@857frank You are a fucking pleb. You are either a troll or a upper class prick who expects tankers to stand on their bow while you pass a meter in front of them drinking Pimms.
The tanker was in the right here. She was limited by her draft and moveability, she's being steered by a local pilot with a pilot boat in front and a tug roped astern. Everything there is right.
On your point, the clubs have no power to deny vessels access to the Solent. I'd like to see you flattened by a tanker.
@VanissarN The "flattening" or attempt to flatten my good self or any club member by a tanker would result in the captain's instant dismissal and suspension of the company's activities and is not a thing to be wished.
The club has moved to introduce a 1000m prohibited zone around races in future which should resolve the issue as working class vessels incorporate the new rule into their "busy" schedules.
That is the end of the matter and it is not subject to impertinent back-chat.
@VanissarN tell you what mate wether a pleb,upper class prick or troll i bet he'd knock fuck out of you for calling him that,mind you you wouldn't face to face would ya.........Frank what a fucking name says it all Tosser!
@phil01104 I doubt he would knock me out. Wouldn't want to get his hands dirty. And I don't think he could anyway. I stand 6"3 after all, even if I am slim. I'm not easy to KO.
I'm not exactly going to shy away from someone who refers to himself as "my good self" and his fellows as "club member"s.
+ He's just being an antagonistic bastard, see his use of "busy" in his latest comment. He plainly has no idea how much it costs to run a ship of that size and how not being on schedule costs.
@phil01104 No casual violence, punishment shall be administered in accordance with club rules viz. the tying of the accused to the mast, delivering controlled lashes in the presence of a doctor until agreement is extracted that the yacht club has priority in the Solent.
deep draft commercial traffic does not have options for manuevering. i have seen many a doofus disobey that rule , screaming and yelling when they were right, dead right if they pushed it.
rule 18: INTERNATIONAL (b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of: (i) a vessel not under command; (ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver; (iii) a vessel engaged in fishing. INLAND: (b) A sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of: (i) a vessel not under command; (ii) a vessel restricted in her ability to maneuver; and (iii) a vessel engaged in fishing.
While in open water and clear visibility a motor vessel would have to give way to sail (rule 18 of the collision regs), Southampton Water has various byelaws to allow safe passage of shipping, including a 200m "moving exclusion zone" which the yacht should not have entered. Looks like an expensive day's racing!
No offense of course but I thought you Brits were supposed to be the finest sailors in the world. Your Navy went unmatched for hundreds of years and now this?
The old adage that "Power always gives way to sail" doesn't have a lot of creditability when the "powered" vessel is a couple of hundred times more heavy than you and has to stick to the navigable channel.....!
I was there in the water in a speed boat, it was crazy, the wind just dropped and they couldn't do anything. It was soooo loud, i couldn't believe it! :(
As this happened in a narrow channel (the solent) its the duty of the sailing vessel to keep out of the way of a power driven vessel which cannot freely navigate due to its draught in relation to the width of available water.
I don't think the Yacht was the "stand on" vessel (no such thing as the right of way" as there is a huge "precautionary area" in that part of the Solent, where you have to stay 1000m away from the front of any big moving vessel. I remember that because I once had Five of the best from the "Independence of the Seas" about a mile north of the Brambles.
I find it hard to believe that sailboater didn't know how hopeless it is to expect a ship of that size to be able, even with the best of intentions, to dodge a small boat.
The Canadian Marine Pilots' Association (CMPA) has produced a video to raise the awareness of boaters regarding the risks associated with navigating in proximity to commercial vessels:STAY CLEAR TO STAY AFLOAT!
It provides boaters with a practical appreciation of the constraints commercial vessels face in shipping lanes and the best practices they can use to minimize the possibility of accidents.
One crew member was taken to hospital with head injuries, but I believe is now out of danger. The crew "believed they could make it" across the front of the tanker, despite the fact that the racing rules tell you that you must leave 1,000m space in front of a moving vessel. Epic indeed!
Execrable judgement. From what I can observe in the video, the yacht should have gybed to port. They are seriously lucky to be alive - the pressure wave is the only thing that saved them from absolute disaster. Sail does not have the right of way over steam in shipping lanes or in restricted navigation areas. The ship certainly could have slowed a bit, but the challenge of racing in a shipping area is knowing when to cross and when to duck. This is not an unusual situation in river racing.
I have to bow to the greater knowledge of the other people posting, but have to feel a bit sad that they have to be so offensive, I have had the occasion to watch very large ships passing in the lee of the I love White and assumed that they were being a bit cheeky and saving fuel.
If the skipper under sail really expected the ship to give way then he needs his head examining. But this is NOT a busy shipping lane it is the Solent and the only reason large ships like this use it as it saves them some fuel as they can avoid weather in the Channel
Err.. Ever heard of the Port of Southampton? Fawley Oil refinery? Portsmouth?
Plenty of reasons why big ships enter the solent.
Oh, and the solent is shallower and more convoluted than the channel, it costs more fuel, not less, to use it. Oh and a ship that size is not bothered by the small difference in weather between the solent and the channel.
@SlEasyTarget yes this may be but the driver of the tanker would of lost his job and would have to pay for the damage to the yatch. also engine has to give way to sail.
@MegaNinjasquirrels Nope. The tanker was being led by a pilot boat, it warned the other vessels, it's restricted by its draft, it can't carry out any manoeuvres or stop. The yatch tried to cross the bow way too late and literally had the wind taken out of its sails. The tanker probably didn't even know it had hit anything.
@cjeam9199 This is the correct answer. Sailboats may have the "right of way" but a tanker is restricted by draft and is FORCED to stay within the channel to prevent running aground. The sounds of the ship's horn show that they know that stupid sailboat is in the way, they are standing on the bridge wings and can see down the side of the ship.
When I've carried sensitive cargo the pilot will tell the Coast Guard escorts to remove sailboats from the channel by towing or whatever means needed.
@Hearsonpearson I live directly opposite Fawley and you're full of shit. NOT a busy shipping lane? You try crossing it. Four ferries hourly, tankers, lpg and cargo ships steaming in at 15 knots twice a day and half a dozen cruise liners a week? Lets not forget the double stand tide - a unique feature found only in Southampton Water and rather useful when you've got a 15m draught like this ship. And despite the Isle of Wight's wind breaking properties - you still get plenty of weather.
Complete utter rubbish ..... West end of solent is too shallow for most ships to use ... so why pass through Solent ?
Second this is NOT a Supertanker .... media rubbish again. But there is no way a ship like this can slow down quickly enough to avoid the idiots on the yacht.
Another candidate for the Darwin Award - the Yacht Skipper.
I now feel sorry for the Pilot and Master of the Ship as they will have this on their conscience .....
The skipper of that yacht should get an appointment with Specsavers ASAP. The rule of steam giving way to sail does not apply to supertankers and racing yachts.
But the yacht should not have been ANYWHERE near that VLCC..... I agree that the clip looks damning but I would like to ask the yacht skipper why he didn't alter course especially since the patrol launch had previously approached him to try and warn him off...... The inaction is baffling....
The yacht had clearly lost control (and probably broached) and simply wasn't moving at any significant speed before it was hit, so didn't have any manoeuvrability. A big broach could easily turn a safe crossing into a collision. I'm not trying to suggest it was the tanker's fault, but I don't think it was as stupid as is being suggested by most here.
Oh and to those quoting IRPCS - maybe consider if the yacht (stalled, unable to manoeuvre) fits rule 3f!
@bentate99 due to solent bylaws comercial shipping not only has right of way but there is a moving prohibited zone of (i think) 1000m in front and 200m to the side, which pleasure craft must avoid.
I don't think it was a broach, but rather a lack of wind in front of the tanker that caused them the problems with the kite
the yacht was almost certainly trying to get to the finish at the RYS line, and pushing their luck trying to get in front of the tanker, but i have some sympathy with them
The Hanne Knutsen tanker is owned by a Norwegian company, and they made a statement to media there telling that the ship was escorted by a police boat in front and a tug behind it. The tanker also used the horn a lot to warn sailing yachts and other vessels, and there was a local pilot at the helm. A ship that size cannot turn or slow down fast, and there was nothing the captain could do about the situation.
the eccentricity of the brits is on full display at this event. it makes them seen kind of disconnected from reality at times. which helps one understand how something like this can happen!
The idiot skipper of the yacht should be prosecuted for reckless sailing and endangerment of others., both on the yacht and any rescuers that might have had to help. His actions were crass and utter stupidity and he should never ever be allowed to skipper any boat ever again.
Plain and simple Rule 5 and18 of International Regulations For Preventing Collisions At Sea
5 - Look-out:Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper lookout by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances........
18- Responsibilities between vessels
Section b: a sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of :-
i. a vessel not under command;
ii. a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre;
@ESEAvid Applicable are the local Southampton Harbour Bye-laws which give ships over 150m a "moving prohibited zone" which extends 1000m ahead and 150m either side. Only excuse would be, if the sailing boat had lost navigation before entering the mpz.
@nikolausmunich I am not from those parts and were not aware of the local laws but I would look up any info if visiting unfamiliar port. BTW the rule for the situation it was 18 b ii as the Tanker was "a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre" The guys on the sail boat most likely did not perceive the reel speed of the ship started to panic loosing speed, had they kept the sail trimmed they might have made it. But as mentioned here we are the arm chair sailors, not on-board the boat
@ESEAvid In case anybody is interested: at 0:59 you can see the bramble bank north marker roughly lining up with the chimney at Calshot. The collison took place at the so called Thorn Channel which is an "area of concern". The rules there are on the Southampton port VTS website.
southamptonvts.co.uk/mapcaution.htm
There has been leisure and commercial shipping on the Solent ever since the Isle of Wight broke loose from the mainland. Hope this incident has no rammifications for racing there.
Well, they called it "extreme" sailing, maybe the skipper of that sail boat thought he could get an advantage on the other boats in the race by sailing close to the tanker, and he mis-calculated. Tough. The fact is that all sail boat skippers know that power boats are supposed to give way to sail boats, but that only applies in practise to smaller, maneuverable power boats. When it comes to ships, everyone is supposed to get out of their way.
It's easy for us to spot the orange boat on the right sitting at home studying the video but more difficult for an advanced sailor concentrating on the complexities of a yacht. The captain of that boat should explain the importance of his journey and why he got in the way of an important race.
@857frank I think its time you put your rubber duckies away, emptied the bath of water and stop making inane comments about a subject that you obviously know nothing about
@857frank Any sailor sufficiently qualified to skipper that size yacht is fully aware of the IRPCS. They were racing over a known hazard called Bramble Bank, the tide being high enough for a yacht's draft but in no conditions sufficient for a 125,000 dwt tanker. I saw that tanker the morning after it docked whilst walking my dog, there's no way you could miss it. The skipper utterly misjudged his speed, position and ability - and nearly got people killed.
@857frank wow... talk about your stupid remarks. A ship master has no obligation to inform YOU, the idiot sailboater, of his intentions. HE is on a tanker carrying hundreds or thousands, even millions or barrels of fuel to port for discharge, not trying to win some stupid fucking race that NO ONE cares about except a bunch of tools with no knowledge of the COLREGS. Go read a fucking book.
@DeckApe85 Remember the yacht club comprises members of the upper class who are not used to having to watch out for workmen and their boats carrying fuel. Perhaps in future the tanker captain should obtain a copy of the race schedules so he can rearrange his plans to suit.
@857frank Are you high? The tanker captain is under NO obligation to stop what HE is doing in order to accommodate a sail race. He is running a commercial cargo ship on a schedule, not a leisure craft jutting into a race accidentally. I just recently saw an event like this almost unfold on the East River in NYC, where a sailboater ignored the whistle signals (and I say ignore because he heard them, and deliberately chose to ignore them) from a tugboat towing a dead 565 foot cargo ship
@857frank and cut in front of him instead of passing down his starboard side as requested. He missed the tug and tow by just under 100 feet and an upbound tug and barge by about another 100 feet.... it's that kind of irresponsibility that gets people killed. Big vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver and vessels (internationally) constrained by draft should NOT be fucked with, regardless of class standing. They're on official business, not playtime.
@857frank Everyone else stayed put and watched until the tanker passed, except for one lone WAFI who felt it was his job to disregard security calls. You would think that the Pilot boat escorting the tanker was heads up enough aside from radio calls, but I guess blindness runs rampant in the Solent.
heloooo classic pain, these races take place all day, this is a commercial port with dozens of ships daily, stop the world while i play!!!. Everyone has 5 mins of fame , this yachtie has his world wide as a dickhead.
Why race on a shipping lane ? Do you sail ? Have you ever sailed across a shipping lane ?. That's the only place you wont have the right of way if under sail...
The poor guy was racing, he had to go for it, could have made it to if he didn't loose the wind in his spinnaker . Been there, done that...
I would like to point out something thats appears to have gone unnoticed or mentioned, attached to the stern of the Hanne Knutsen is the tug APEX, there to assist in turning etc.
As an Ex Merchant Senior Officer .... what has that got to do with this ? The ship is proceeding at manoevring speed which means tug is ineffective for major manouevres ....
@MrHunsch1 She's running backwards. That's not to assist in turning, that's to use her power to stop the Tanker.She can't assist turning in that position, she would have to be at the front.
Its a start I suppose, one W.A.F.I. down a few thousand to go. Expect the Pilot and Captain will get hauled in and blamed by the M.C.A and the knob in the yacht will get a "there there."
Taffelost, that's my point! There is no excuse to be hit by a VLCC in this area. The yacht had no business breaching the MPZ and blatantly ignored the Colregs. The launch patrolling ahead of these ships is Southampton Patrol. Their callsign is "SP" and they can be contacted on VHF CH 12.
Sirproudfeet, from your comment about power always giving way to sail, you are obviously not familiar with the Colregs or the local byelaws pertaining to the Port of Southampton in regard to the Moving Prohibited Zone. This is applicable to all ships over 150m LOA transiting the Area of Concern.
@ewatchmo It clearly says the supertanker is being guided by a pilot boat. It is therefore impossible to blame the Marine Knutsen in any way. Let me also stress that it's a display of extremely bad seamanship to get hit by a supertanker. Well in my opinion anyway.
@taffelost Even with a pilot the responsibility of the vessel lies with the master of the Marine Knutsen. This looks like a busy waterway, no doubt the tanker is in a TSS, in which case the yacht shudnt be there (unless trying to cross at 90Deg to the flow of traffic, which i doubt). If this was open water, then the tanker should have avoided the whole affair as per Colregs Rule 18 (a) (iv).Thats the legal side anyway.
The reality of it is - the yacht should have dodged, not tried to cross bow.
@oeufsurplat Surely 18(b) (iii) applies and overides. especially if it occurred in a shipping lane, which would inroduce other rules? The master was also making appropriate warning sounds.
This is standard procedure when docking or travelling in narrow channels with a boat as big as that. Its used as a brake and can function as a steering mechanism. Normally the port authoraties, or the company that owns the boat, requires this. Its for safety. It doesnt help against idiot captains or REALLY unlucky winds on sailboats tho.
Um, common sense would tell me that's a pretty dumb-ass place to sail. Especially race.
sakahowdah 3 weeks ago
was that a man overboard @ 0:20 ?
wcresponder 3 weeks ago
saw this boat in hambul before the the fastnet not a scratch on her... structural damage.. im sure, but no visible scratches of orange on her
181dirk 1 month ago
thick fucks...
chelseafc247 2 months ago
The upper classes that you choose to disregard have the power to demand commercial vesels use altenative routes and to restrict the Solent to club members only. There are already murmurs in the cocktail lounge after the races that suggest that wiser councels will have been shown to have prevailed if tradesvessels were to proceed more carefully through club waters in future. I think that concludes the matter.
857frank 3 months ago
@857frank You are a fucking pleb. You are either a troll or a upper class prick who expects tankers to stand on their bow while you pass a meter in front of them drinking Pimms.
The tanker was in the right here. She was limited by her draft and moveability, she's being steered by a local pilot with a pilot boat in front and a tug roped astern. Everything there is right.
On your point, the clubs have no power to deny vessels access to the Solent. I'd like to see you flattened by a tanker.
VanissarN 1 month ago
@VanissarN The "flattening" or attempt to flatten my good self or any club member by a tanker would result in the captain's instant dismissal and suspension of the company's activities and is not a thing to be wished.
The club has moved to introduce a 1000m prohibited zone around races in future which should resolve the issue as working class vessels incorporate the new rule into their "busy" schedules.
That is the end of the matter and it is not subject to impertinent back-chat.
857frank 1 month ago
@VanissarN tell you what mate wether a pleb,upper class prick or troll i bet he'd knock fuck out of you for calling him that,mind you you wouldn't face to face would ya.........Frank what a fucking name says it all Tosser!
phil01104 1 month ago
@phil01104 I doubt he would knock me out. Wouldn't want to get his hands dirty. And I don't think he could anyway. I stand 6"3 after all, even if I am slim. I'm not easy to KO.
I'm not exactly going to shy away from someone who refers to himself as "my good self" and his fellows as "club member"s.
+ He's just being an antagonistic bastard, see his use of "busy" in his latest comment. He plainly has no idea how much it costs to run a ship of that size and how not being on schedule costs.
VanissarN 1 month ago
@phil01104 No casual violence, punishment shall be administered in accordance with club rules viz. the tying of the accused to the mast, delivering controlled lashes in the presence of a doctor until agreement is extracted that the yacht club has priority in the Solent.
857frank 1 month ago
what a bee-yatch!!
deep draft commercial traffic does not have options for manuevering. i have seen many a doofus disobey that rule , screaming and yelling when they were right, dead right if they pushed it.
wildwindsca 3 months ago
what a bee-yatch!!!
wildwindsca 3 months ago
surely those people in little dingy's need to stay well clear of this huge working tanker. no sympathy
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darkfyreaol 3 months ago
While in open water and clear visibility a motor vessel would have to give way to sail (rule 18 of the collision regs), Southampton Water has various byelaws to allow safe passage of shipping, including a 200m "moving exclusion zone" which the yacht should not have entered. Looks like an expensive day's racing!
fair0grace 4 months ago
No offense of course but I thought you Brits were supposed to be the finest sailors in the world. Your Navy went unmatched for hundreds of years and now this?
Just kidding...mistakes happen no big deal.
gmccord1970 4 months ago
The old adage that "Power always gives way to sail" doesn't have a lot of creditability when the "powered" vessel is a couple of hundred times more heavy than you and has to stick to the navigable channel.....!
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WackoJackoLmfao 5 months ago
@WackoJackoLmfao no its not the tanker would have to give way to the yatch. engine has to give way to sail
MegaNinjasquirrels 4 months ago
@MegaNinjasquirrels That rule is totally irrelevant when the tanker is so much bigger. There is no way the tanker could have done anything.
cjeam9199 4 months ago
@MegaNinjasquirrels read the colreg. rule 9!!!
santapaella 1 month ago
The definition of a completely idiot skipper. Imagine what would had happened if it wasn't during a race!
khliaxtida 5 months ago
I was there in the water in a speed boat, it was crazy, the wind just dropped and they couldn't do anything. It was soooo loud, i couldn't believe it! :(
jobbe100 5 months ago
As this happened in a narrow channel (the solent) its the duty of the sailing vessel to keep out of the way of a power driven vessel which cannot freely navigate due to its draught in relation to the width of available water.
ruxton27 6 months ago
What an Eejit.
I don't think the Yacht was the "stand on" vessel (no such thing as the right of way" as there is a huge "precautionary area" in that part of the Solent, where you have to stay 1000m away from the front of any big moving vessel. I remember that because I once had Five of the best from the "Independence of the Seas" about a mile north of the Brambles.
chadford88 6 months ago
Reminds me of the old epitaph:
Here lies the body of Jonathan Day
He died defending his right-of-way.
I find it hard to believe that sailboater didn't know how hopeless it is to expect a ship of that size to be able, even with the best of intentions, to dodge a small boat.
pwmeek 6 months ago
BLOODY HELL.
Pass the port and cigars my good man.
Apoc897 6 months ago
I guess the "Blow Boater" was exercising his right of Way and expected
the tanker to go around him!
URBANNATOM 6 months ago
The Canadian Marine Pilots' Association (CMPA) has produced a video to raise the awareness of boaters regarding the risks associated with navigating in proximity to commercial vessels:STAY CLEAR TO STAY AFLOAT!
It provides boaters with a practical appreciation of the constraints commercial vessels face in shipping lanes and the best practices they can use to minimize the possibility of accidents.
MSRCCSEM 6 months ago
i wonder if the skipper of the yacht also tries to beat trains to a railroad crossing?
cjpatz 6 months ago
thats the last time i play chicken with a supertanker!
cjpatz 6 months ago
Very simple, same old rules of the road - wood gives way to plastic & plastic gives way to steel. Of course, keeping your eyes open helps...
navtis 6 months ago
Actually I believe the applicable rule is 18(III)(A)(b) "Get out of the way of tankers"
sofewusernamesleft 6 months ago
damn i was on a first 40 about 200 yards from that. I saw that shit happen
freerunnerproduction 6 months ago
Anybody See the man jump overboard just before collision?
SailingAcademyofIRL 6 months ago
@SailingAcademyofIRL i wonder what happened of him?
cjpatz 6 months ago
@cjpatz he went down the other side of tge tank but was fine.
ttarr111 6 months ago
Slow down! There are boats all over the place!
Don't worry. They'll get out of the way. I learned that driving the Saratoga.
ZolRing 6 months ago
@ZolRing Don't you mean, "The smart ones will get out of the way, the ones that don't, shouldn't be sailing!!"
cooloneba 6 months ago
and I thought M25 is busy...
szamot112 6 months ago
Fake gay
11milexxiv 6 months ago
One crew member was taken to hospital with head injuries, but I believe is now out of danger. The crew "believed they could make it" across the front of the tanker, despite the fact that the racing rules tell you that you must leave 1,000m space in front of a moving vessel. Epic indeed!
jhdemw 6 months ago
total idiot!!
damecki007 6 months ago
0:24 look closely at the yacht
bzivkovic 6 months ago
Damn, you just scratched my paint job!
akeemtaiwo 6 months ago
What. the. hell.
jameskennedy80 6 months ago
Probably been watching Whale Wars too much!!! They were trying to foul the prop!
mae0742 6 months ago
What was the skipper of the yacht thinking?
Presumably it wasnt "I should probably avoid that gigantic vessel."
Talonades 6 months ago
im sorry but the skipper of the yaght is a compleet idiot cutting infront of that tanker.
riceicles64 6 months ago
Bat, bat communication!
luky1951 6 months ago
My friends dad sail that thing *-*
ClassicPain 6 months ago
@ClassicPain i was toooo lol
ttarr111 6 months ago
Ten seconds later the tanker sank.
allblue3 6 months ago 2
Execrable judgement. From what I can observe in the video, the yacht should have gybed to port. They are seriously lucky to be alive - the pressure wave is the only thing that saved them from absolute disaster. Sail does not have the right of way over steam in shipping lanes or in restricted navigation areas. The ship certainly could have slowed a bit, but the challenge of racing in a shipping area is knowing when to cross and when to duck. This is not an unusual situation in river racing.
cbnspoppa 6 months ago
0:25 i think someone has gone overboard too!
heraldsrule 6 months ago
I have to bow to the greater knowledge of the other people posting, but have to feel a bit sad that they have to be so offensive, I have had the occasion to watch very large ships passing in the lee of the I love White and assumed that they were being a bit cheeky and saving fuel.
Hearsonpearson 6 months ago
A very elderly gentleman once said to me:
'The graveyards are full of people who had the right of way.'
twinlights11 6 months ago 12
too bad them two motherfuckers on that yacht did'nt die instantly!
TANTAULUS 6 months ago
It looks like there is a man over board at 0:25 min into the video.
nikolausmunich 6 months ago 3
@nikolausmunich No I think there are two people on board before and after: Feckless and Brainless.
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@AlanMMoore not the place or time to go for a swim. Here is a screen shot:
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nburmeister 6 months ago
WHAT AN IDIOT !! nothing else to say
luvpump1 6 months ago
If the skipper under sail really expected the ship to give way then he needs his head examining. But this is NOT a busy shipping lane it is the Solent and the only reason large ships like this use it as it saves them some fuel as they can avoid weather in the Channel
Hearsonpearson 6 months ago
@Hearsonpearson
Err.. Ever heard of the Port of Southampton? Fawley Oil refinery? Portsmouth?
Plenty of reasons why big ships enter the solent.
Oh, and the solent is shallower and more convoluted than the channel, it costs more fuel, not less, to use it. Oh and a ship that size is not bothered by the small difference in weather between the solent and the channel.
All in all; epic fail on every count.
SlEasyTarget 6 months ago 9
@SlEasyTarget yes this may be but the driver of the tanker would of lost his job and would have to pay for the damage to the yatch. also engine has to give way to sail.
MegaNinjasquirrels 4 months ago
@MegaNinjasquirrels Nope. The tanker was being led by a pilot boat, it warned the other vessels, it's restricted by its draft, it can't carry out any manoeuvres or stop. The yatch tried to cross the bow way too late and literally had the wind taken out of its sails. The tanker probably didn't even know it had hit anything.
cjeam9199 4 months ago 4
@cjeam9199 This is the correct answer. Sailboats may have the "right of way" but a tanker is restricted by draft and is FORCED to stay within the channel to prevent running aground. The sounds of the ship's horn show that they know that stupid sailboat is in the way, they are standing on the bridge wings and can see down the side of the ship.
When I've carried sensitive cargo the pilot will tell the Coast Guard escorts to remove sailboats from the channel by towing or whatever means needed.
ephoricone 1 month ago
@Hearsonpearson I live directly opposite Fawley and you're full of shit. NOT a busy shipping lane? You try crossing it. Four ferries hourly, tankers, lpg and cargo ships steaming in at 15 knots twice a day and half a dozen cruise liners a week? Lets not forget the double stand tide - a unique feature found only in Southampton Water and rather useful when you've got a 15m draught like this ship. And despite the Isle of Wight's wind breaking properties - you still get plenty of weather.
mutley66 6 months ago
@Hearsonpearson
Complete utter rubbish ..... West end of solent is too shallow for most ships to use ... so why pass through Solent ?
Second this is NOT a Supertanker .... media rubbish again. But there is no way a ship like this can slow down quickly enough to avoid the idiots on the yacht.
Another candidate for the Darwin Award - the Yacht Skipper.
I now feel sorry for the Pilot and Master of the Ship as they will have this on their conscience .....
solentlifeuk 6 months ago
@solentlifeuk They've got nothing to feel bad about, except perhaps to be concerned for the mental health of the sailboat driver.
dougpine 6 months ago
@Hearsonpearson ever heard of the fawley flame mate ;D
whatheduck97 6 months ago
Good it was not a rowing skiff..
endeavourthelimits 6 months ago
Anyone know the name of the sailing boat?
bibilapetite 6 months ago
@bibilapetite I think it was "The Invincible" but I'm not sure.
857frank 6 months ago
Who let Pooley on the helm?
sjbing65 6 months ago
So, they're having a race in the middle of a busy shipping lane?
nowestmo 6 months ago
@nowestmo that is what racing in the solent is, never any lack of ships to dodge!
grumpybowman 6 months ago
The skipper of that yacht should get an appointment with Specsavers ASAP. The rule of steam giving way to sail does not apply to supertankers and racing yachts.
agmag 6 months ago
@agmag steam gives way to sail, providing it has enough draft, I think the yacht skipper had the draught, Guiness or Lager...
smidgeracing 6 months ago
At 23 seconds, Looks like one of the crew abandoned ship on the starboard side just before the ship hit.
jonnoargie 6 months ago
@jonnoargie
do you think it was a person or something like a sail bag? Perhaps they were trying to get the spinnaker in?
rolle3838 6 months ago
it has to be said, the guy was lucky not to loose his boat...and crew. WHAT WAS HE THINKING???
Dianafairymother 6 months ago
Nigel, be a good chap and look down below for some lime slices for my gin & tonic will you?
sjbing65 6 months ago 12
But the yacht should not have been ANYWHERE near that VLCC..... I agree that the clip looks damning but I would like to ask the yacht skipper why he didn't alter course especially since the patrol launch had previously approached him to try and warn him off...... The inaction is baffling....
ewatchmo 6 months ago
The yacht had clearly lost control (and probably broached) and simply wasn't moving at any significant speed before it was hit, so didn't have any manoeuvrability. A big broach could easily turn a safe crossing into a collision. I'm not trying to suggest it was the tanker's fault, but I don't think it was as stupid as is being suggested by most here.
Oh and to those quoting IRPCS - maybe consider if the yacht (stalled, unable to manoeuvre) fits rule 3f!
bentate99 6 months ago
@bentate99 due to solent bylaws comercial shipping not only has right of way but there is a moving prohibited zone of (i think) 1000m in front and 200m to the side, which pleasure craft must avoid.
I don't think it was a broach, but rather a lack of wind in front of the tanker that caused them the problems with the kite
the yacht was almost certainly trying to get to the finish at the RYS line, and pushing their luck trying to get in front of the tanker, but i have some sympathy with them
grumpybowman 6 months ago
@grumpybowman hmm, having looked again i am wrong about lack of wind, but still don't think it's a broach, so not sure what is going on there
grumpybowman 6 months ago
@grumpybowman Could be lack of wind. That tanker is a pretty big wind block.
danielt63 6 months ago
shot for 200m clearance
purpleshirts 6 months ago
i'm guessin he did win ?
mckinney932 6 months ago
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The Hanne Knutsen tanker is owned by a Norwegian company, and they made a statement to media there telling that the ship was escorted by a police boat in front and a tug behind it. The tanker also used the horn a lot to warn sailing yachts and other vessels, and there was a local pilot at the helm. A ship that size cannot turn or slow down fast, and there was nothing the captain could do about the situation.
Stabiz85 6 months ago
the eccentricity of the brits is on full display at this event. it makes them seen kind of disconnected from reality at times. which helps one understand how something like this can happen!
cpnankin 6 months ago
i am sure you can see someone jumping overboard just before they collide
cpnankin 6 months ago 3
Another graduate from the Stevie Wonder sailing school I see!
MrWilliamson01 6 months ago
The idiot skipper of the yacht should be prosecuted for reckless sailing and endangerment of others., both on the yacht and any rescuers that might have had to help. His actions were crass and utter stupidity and he should never ever be allowed to skipper any boat ever again.
saltydognl 6 months ago
wow that was my uncles yacht lol
sbshouse 6 months ago
The skipper of the yacht should be hung out to dry. Just how stupid was that.
MrBriancusack 6 months ago 2
frank857 I do hope you are being sarcastic! Anyway, the responsibility lies with the sailboat captin. MCA will have a field day with this bloke!
nob209 6 months ago
Did anyone notice the one sail boat crew jump over the side?
the rest of the crew were paralysed with panic and fear
ESEAvid 6 months ago
Plain and simple Rule 5 and18 of International Regulations For Preventing Collisions At Sea
5 - Look-out:Every vessel shall at all times maintain a proper lookout by sight and hearing as well as by all available means appropriate in the prevailing circumstances........
18- Responsibilities between vessels
Section b: a sailing vessel underway shall keep out of the way of :-
i. a vessel not under command;
ii. a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre;
ii. a vessel engaged in fishing;
ESEAvid 6 months ago 2
@ESEAvid Applicable are the local Southampton Harbour Bye-laws which give ships over 150m a "moving prohibited zone" which extends 1000m ahead and 150m either side. Only excuse would be, if the sailing boat had lost navigation before entering the mpz.
nikolausmunich 6 months ago 3
@nikolausmunich I am not from those parts and were not aware of the local laws but I would look up any info if visiting unfamiliar port. BTW the rule for the situation it was 18 b ii as the Tanker was "a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre" The guys on the sail boat most likely did not perceive the reel speed of the ship started to panic loosing speed, had they kept the sail trimmed they might have made it. But as mentioned here we are the arm chair sailors, not on-board the boat
ESEAvid 6 months ago 2
@ESEAvid In case anybody is interested: at 0:59 you can see the bramble bank north marker roughly lining up with the chimney at Calshot. The collison took place at the so called Thorn Channel which is an "area of concern". The rules there are on the Southampton port VTS website.
southamptonvts.co.uk/mapcaution.htm
There has been leisure and commercial shipping on the Solent ever since the Isle of Wight broke loose from the mainland. Hope this incident has no rammifications for racing there.
nikolausmunich 6 months ago
Natural Selection at work
becklectic1 6 months ago
The sailing boat looks like it was struggling before it got hit.. I guess they couldn't get wind in the sails and get out of the way.
Not surprised they might panic a bit.
gregoreau 6 months ago
Well, they called it "extreme" sailing, maybe the skipper of that sail boat thought he could get an advantage on the other boats in the race by sailing close to the tanker, and he mis-calculated. Tough. The fact is that all sail boat skippers know that power boats are supposed to give way to sail boats, but that only applies in practise to smaller, maneuverable power boats. When it comes to ships, everyone is supposed to get out of their way.
ambell078 6 months ago
There is a reason they're called WAFI's.
JannDK 6 months ago
857frank, you're joking right?
ewatchmo 6 months ago
Move bitch. Lol
vitogalicia10 6 months ago
It's easy for us to spot the orange boat on the right sitting at home studying the video but more difficult for an advanced sailor concentrating on the complexities of a yacht. The captain of that boat should explain the importance of his journey and why he got in the way of an important race.
857frank 6 months ago
@857frank I think its time you put your rubber duckies away, emptied the bath of water and stop making inane comments about a subject that you obviously know nothing about
MrHunsch1 6 months ago
@857frank Any sailor sufficiently qualified to skipper that size yacht is fully aware of the IRPCS. They were racing over a known hazard called Bramble Bank, the tide being high enough for a yacht's draft but in no conditions sufficient for a 125,000 dwt tanker. I saw that tanker the morning after it docked whilst walking my dog, there's no way you could miss it. The skipper utterly misjudged his speed, position and ability - and nearly got people killed.
mutley66 6 months ago
@857frank wow... talk about your stupid remarks. A ship master has no obligation to inform YOU, the idiot sailboater, of his intentions. HE is on a tanker carrying hundreds or thousands, even millions or barrels of fuel to port for discharge, not trying to win some stupid fucking race that NO ONE cares about except a bunch of tools with no knowledge of the COLREGS. Go read a fucking book.
DeckApe85 3 months ago
@DeckApe85 Remember the yacht club comprises members of the upper class who are not used to having to watch out for workmen and their boats carrying fuel. Perhaps in future the tanker captain should obtain a copy of the race schedules so he can rearrange his plans to suit.
857frank 3 months ago
@857frank Are you high? The tanker captain is under NO obligation to stop what HE is doing in order to accommodate a sail race. He is running a commercial cargo ship on a schedule, not a leisure craft jutting into a race accidentally. I just recently saw an event like this almost unfold on the East River in NYC, where a sailboater ignored the whistle signals (and I say ignore because he heard them, and deliberately chose to ignore them) from a tugboat towing a dead 565 foot cargo ship
DeckApe85 3 months ago
@857frank and cut in front of him instead of passing down his starboard side as requested. He missed the tug and tow by just under 100 feet and an upbound tug and barge by about another 100 feet.... it's that kind of irresponsibility that gets people killed. Big vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver and vessels (internationally) constrained by draft should NOT be fucked with, regardless of class standing. They're on official business, not playtime.
DeckApe85 3 months ago
@DeckApe85 Missed the button, the reply below is to your good self.
857frank 3 months ago
@857frank Everyone else stayed put and watched until the tanker passed, except for one lone WAFI who felt it was his job to disregard security calls. You would think that the Pilot boat escorting the tanker was heads up enough aside from radio calls, but I guess blindness runs rampant in the Solent.
DeckApe85 2 months ago
5 crew people from sailboat disliked video :D
SEAMANpl 6 months ago 3
heloooo classic pain, these races take place all day, this is a commercial port with dozens of ships daily, stop the world while i play!!!. Everyone has 5 mins of fame , this yachtie has his world wide as a dickhead.
spartak460 6 months ago
skipper of yacht could go to prison for 2 years lol, coz he's a douche. can't endanger ur crews life
ClassicPain 6 months ago
If this was a race why did they allow that ship to cross the route.
Queven52 6 months ago
Skipper 'It's ok guys, motor gives way to sail' WRONG when its a fucking tanker in the Solent!
markyp2002 6 months ago 2
99% of all sailboaters are idiots! And have no clue what they are doing!
Alaskaberger 6 months ago
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Jim1971a 6 months ago
Why race on a shipping lane ? Do you sail ? Have you ever sailed across a shipping lane ?. That's the only place you wont have the right of way if under sail...
The poor guy was racing, he had to go for it, could have made it to if he didn't loose the wind in his spinnaker . Been there, done that...
syinanna 6 months ago
Landlubber
themikey3233 6 months ago
I'm on a boat mother Fuc.. Oh holy shit!
xSLAYERx17 6 months ago
Was Terry Thomas racing there today ?
K0K4NE 6 months ago
@bigwly83, you can be a conservative and a republican, but do you have to be a corny sonofabitch? Yeeesh. That was TERRIBLE.
robgoose 6 months ago
this is why I do not race :)
daun0402 6 months ago
0.21 se les cae un niño al agua????
jitarra 6 months ago
@everyone. The skipper of the yacht was a fuckwit. End of story.
suckmywah 6 months ago
I guess a 265 meters long and 40 meters wide and extremely orange ship is hard to see...
anilingus 6 months ago 79
I would like to point out something thats appears to have gone unnoticed or mentioned, attached to the stern of the Hanne Knutsen is the tug APEX, there to assist in turning etc.
MrHunsch1 6 months ago
@MrHunsch1
As an Ex Merchant Senior Officer .... what has that got to do with this ? The ship is proceeding at manoevring speed which means tug is ineffective for major manouevres ....
solentlifeuk 6 months ago
@MrHunsch1 She's running backwards. That's not to assist in turning, that's to use her power to stop the Tanker.She can't assist turning in that position, she would have to be at the front.
VanissarN 1 month ago
Let's play chicken I dnt give a fuck if yur 100x bigger!! Lol
Rahpido 6 months ago
move, bitch! get out da way!
OTKSenior 6 months ago
I thought I was the epic seaman fail
gsupt 6 months ago
Owned. Fucking morons
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alvaroyt 6 months ago
Tonnage always has right of way - when in doubt, fire-up that iron-genny and get the hell out of the way!
sfjohnny 6 months ago
The dumb yacht should have know the tanker is limited in its manauverbility.
The tanker cannot turn fast enough and even if it could, it would be at great risk of grounding.
Wood bend to steel
fiberglass bend to steel
If your boat is not made of steel ... turn!
deathbringerdk 6 months ago
boat full of idiots. One idiot jumps into sea at 0:25
forbryderalbum 6 months ago
Stupid sailors...... :-)
brummibyxan 6 months ago
Yah - the skipper is an idiot.....your life is worth more than a race - well maybe not his, but mine is....
mimimerriman 6 months ago
Its a start I suppose, one W.A.F.I. down a few thousand to go. Expect the Pilot and Captain will get hauled in and blamed by the M.C.A and the knob in the yacht will get a "there there."
MrHunsch1 6 months ago
Hope the person who jumped off at 0:25 is OK!
tybrady64 6 months ago
@tybrady64 Everyone who was on the sailboat is OK ;)
ingridsinger222 6 months ago
The name of the sailboat is "Economy" with Obama as its captain.
bigwly83 6 months ago 4
@bigwly83 hahahahahaha you sir, are glorious
webbster92 6 months ago
@bigwly83 I laughed pretty hard at this ; )
AdamRyanKirkwood 6 months ago
Taffelost, that's my point! There is no excuse to be hit by a VLCC in this area. The yacht had no business breaching the MPZ and blatantly ignored the Colregs. The launch patrolling ahead of these ships is Southampton Patrol. Their callsign is "SP" and they can be contacted on VHF CH 12.
ewatchmo 6 months ago
a challenger aproaches.
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nkearns89 6 months ago
Total village idiot, I've got right of way, I'm racing! WWWWWWrong!
drcmarquez 6 months ago
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skanderup31 6 months ago
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megasmart1337 6 months ago
Sirproudfeet, from your comment about power always giving way to sail, you are obviously not familiar with the Colregs or the local byelaws pertaining to the Port of Southampton in regard to the Moving Prohibited Zone. This is applicable to all ships over 150m LOA transiting the Area of Concern.
ewatchmo 6 months ago
@ewatchmo It clearly says the supertanker is being guided by a pilot boat. It is therefore impossible to blame the Marine Knutsen in any way. Let me also stress that it's a display of extremely bad seamanship to get hit by a supertanker. Well in my opinion anyway.
taffelost 6 months ago 24
@taffelost Even with a pilot the responsibility of the vessel lies with the master of the Marine Knutsen. This looks like a busy waterway, no doubt the tanker is in a TSS, in which case the yacht shudnt be there (unless trying to cross at 90Deg to the flow of traffic, which i doubt). If this was open water, then the tanker should have avoided the whole affair as per Colregs Rule 18 (a) (iv).Thats the legal side anyway.
The reality of it is - the yacht should have dodged, not tried to cross bow.
oeufsurplat 6 months ago
@oeufsurplat Surely 18(b) (iii) applies and overides. especially if it occurred in a shipping lane, which would inroduce other rules? The master was also making appropriate warning sounds.
NigeBaby1 6 months ago
Another point here. Why is this tanker pulling a tug backwards through the water?
fparry 6 months ago
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bonewhat 6 months ago
This is standard procedure when docking or travelling in narrow channels with a boat as big as that. Its used as a brake and can function as a steering mechanism. Normally the port authoraties, or the company that owns the boat, requires this. Its for safety. It doesnt help against idiot captains or REALLY unlucky winds on sailboats tho.
bonewhat 6 months ago
@bonewhat
Thanks, I didn't know that.
fparry 6 months ago
Mensch, das hätte doch noch locker gepasst... Wer konnte ahnen, dass das Schiff so schnell ist, ganz ohne Segel;-)
68kuddel 6 months ago 2