hahaha! "By definition, Arminianism is everything Calvinism is not... it's common sense" Love it! b/c seriously, let's just use our free will to believe in Jesus and not have to chose an "ism"!
Free Will destroys Total Depravity = But as many as have received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name. (John 1:12) ~ To have received Him means to associate with Him as His companion or attendant, to give Him access to yourself, not to refuse or reject Him, to choose Him. The word right in the NKJV I use, is power in the KJV. It also means power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases, permission. That's our free will.
Calvinism is the devil AND arminianism is the devil! A true Christian can't lose their salvation but the five points of blasphemy come staight from hell!
So, I found this to be a strange video simply because the first point of Arminianism is Free Will or Human ability stating that though the human will is greatly changed by the fall it is not completely ruined by the fall. It's corruption is not total.
@TheRdmin I'm certain that if you take the time to read Arminius you will see that isn't the "first point" of Arminianism.
Arminians believe in Total Depravity. Arminianism teaches that man's will is naturally completely enslaved, without the aids of the Holy Spirit, is utterly helpless to do any good including believe. When talking about free will, perhaps "freed will" would be more accurate.
This is one of the most sickest, perverted, twisted, attack on the believers Helmet of Salvation and Armor of GOD. Wow. Washerucess, Calvinist, TULIPS and the like never know if they are ever saved even when they may think they are one of the elected they are still not sure so they "perservere" still not knowing if they are. I have a video that exposes this religous spirit and false doctrine for what it is. All those justified by faith in believing Jesus Christ KEEP UR ARMOR ON PLEASE!
1) It's not really James Arminius; it's more correctly Jakob or Jacob.
2) Your video pretends to address stereotypes, but addresses minor ones only, and those not well. Not only that, it fails to make any even remotely convincing argument FOR Arminianism. It's basically just a jab at Calvinists. How clever.
If we are both totally depraved and unable to come to God, yet retain a "moral ember" and thus "free will", would this not be a contradiction on the part of Arminius? Arminianism in it's full implications becomes a denial of the Fall, and implies that man is sovereign. HE'S NOT.
Instead of reading either Arminius (or Calvin), why don't we just read the Bible? Just a thought.
@americanpolitic1 I think what Calvinists get wrong is equating "being fallen" with being "totally depraved." If you are fallen you are depraved, however being fallen is an on/off 1/0 thing. By contrast being "total depravity" indicates a scale of depravity. It's the difference of "if" and "how much" -you don't have to be totally depraved to be "totally" fallen.
hikarihikki, This has got to be the funniest video you have posted, the very thing you are trying to say about a Calvinist, you are doing with this video. by the way I am a Calvinist, and I have many Arminians friends who I consider as brothers. Remember its not our believing that makes something true, truth is truth weather we believe it or not!!!
THE REFORMED DOCTRINE OF PREDESTINATION sas written by Dr. Loraine Boettner was an infralapsarian. Certainly no one would accuse him of being anything but a godfearing Calvinist. You really should read his book. It has a chart in the back comparing C to A. Of course not all A believe the exact same consistently.
A semi-semi Pelagian is one who plays lipservice to the doctrine of total depravity. He will say man must be quickened through prevenient grace before he can chose Christ. Enabled.
A semi-semi-semi-semi-pelagian is one who plays lip service to the lip service to the lip service of total depravity while on a secret submarine they actually admit they really don't believe it because they want to fool people into believing they believe it for a super secret reason.
Or they actually hold to total depravity and you have incorrectly slandered them by acting as if you can read their mind.
"Or they actually hold to total depravity and you have incorrectly slandered them by acting as if you can read their mind. " boss
You have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like so many looney in the cults. I am not saying you are one. But the lack of all reasoning skills is the same and evident.
There are only so many logical ways to look at a thing.The Arminian seeks to be a middle ground where there is NO TERTIUM QUID. What is the middle ground between life and death spiritually?
Blogrich55, if you consider Arminius a semi-semi Pelagian, you might as well consider Baxter a semi-semi-semi Pelagian, and perhaps infralapsarians as semi-semi-semi-semi Pelagians.
Many Arminians would consider themselves semi-Augustinian instead.
As for me, I would consider Arminius Arminian and leave it at that.
This is a five star strawman. I was once, as a young ARMINIAN college student challenged to prove Finney was a Pelagian. I didn't have to read too much of his Lectures on Revival to do that.
Technically I would call Arminius a semi-semi Pelagian. Such was Jerry Falwell who said Calvinism was a cult. You have set me to doing another vidoe clearing it up.
That Jaccob Herman was an Arminian cannot be denied for sure. What one is and how it differs from Calvinism is on the horizon!
I read Finney's Systematic Theology quite a while ago, and that systematic contains statements that are semi-Pelagian. I haven't read his Lectures on Revival so I don't know if that contains statements that are outright Pelagian.
As for Jerry Falwall, I don't know much about that guy, so I don't know if he's a semi-semi Pelagian or an Arminian or what-not.
"As for Jerry Falwall, I don't know much about that guy, so I don't know if he's a semi-semi Pelagian or an Arminian or what-not." hikarihikki
Semi-semi-Pelagian is a more sophisticated form of Arminianism. It claims fallen man is dead in sin and NOT just injured. He must be drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit and enable to accept Him. Yet this type denies limited atonement and still avows the final choice is the sinners. They would deny irrisistable grace in the sense that Calvinists teach it.
Sounds to me like you were a semi pelagian who thought you were an Arminian because you weren't a Calvinist. Just because one isn't a Calvinist doesn't mean they are automatically an Arminian. So yes, I believe you do speak from ignorance.
I challenge you to actually read the writings of Arminius and Wesley. Also read Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities by Roger Olson.
"Sounds to me like you were a semi pelagian who thought you were an Arminian because you weren't a Calvinist. Just because one isn't a Calvinist doesn't mean they are automatically an Arminian. So yes, I believe you do speak from ignorance" boss
Of course you think this. Probably because you are clueless when it come to theology or rigorous use of logic. Why don't you enlighten us poor simple Puritans and make a video showing how you DIFFER from Arminianism. I have read Wesley. Go make it!
hahaha! "By definition, Arminianism is everything Calvinism is not... it's common sense" Love it! b/c seriously, let's just use our free will to believe in Jesus and not have to chose an "ism"!
tulipsRonlyflowers 3 months ago
This is great! I would explore the other side of the stereotype debate in which all calvinist are compared to hyper-calvinist.
ccromwell26 4 months ago
Free Will destroys Total Depravity = But as many as have received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name. (John 1:12) ~ To have received Him means to associate with Him as His companion or attendant, to give Him access to yourself, not to refuse or reject Him, to choose Him. The word right in the NKJV I use, is power in the KJV. It also means power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases, permission. That's our free will.
boldforjesus 5 months ago
This is too funny, because they are both wrong.
tbirdpunk 6 months ago
This would be interesting if the music were in the background instead of the foreground.
Habakkuk2v20 6 months ago
Calvinism is the devil AND arminianism is the devil! A true Christian can't lose their salvation but the five points of blasphemy come staight from hell!
barrypatrickius 1 year ago
So, I found this to be a strange video simply because the first point of Arminianism is Free Will or Human ability stating that though the human will is greatly changed by the fall it is not completely ruined by the fall. It's corruption is not total.
TheRdmin 1 year ago
@TheRdmin I'm certain that if you take the time to read Arminius you will see that isn't the "first point" of Arminianism.
Arminians believe in Total Depravity. Arminianism teaches that man's will is naturally completely enslaved, without the aids of the Holy Spirit, is utterly helpless to do any good including believe. When talking about free will, perhaps "freed will" would be more accurate.
neborg67 1 year ago
LOL, I think Blogrich55 is the Calvinist in the video
neborg67 1 year ago 2
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This is one of the most sickest, perverted, twisted, attack on the believers Helmet of Salvation and Armor of GOD. Wow. Washerucess, Calvinist, TULIPS and the like never know if they are ever saved even when they may think they are one of the elected they are still not sure so they "perservere" still not knowing if they are. I have a video that exposes this religous spirit and false doctrine for what it is. All those justified by faith in believing Jesus Christ KEEP UR ARMOR ON PLEASE!
PureGraceEvangelism 1 year ago
1) It's not really James Arminius; it's more correctly Jakob or Jacob.
2) Your video pretends to address stereotypes, but addresses minor ones only, and those not well. Not only that, it fails to make any even remotely convincing argument FOR Arminianism. It's basically just a jab at Calvinists. How clever.
RJFerreiro 1 year ago
@RJFerreiro
Jacob in an acceptable Anglicized name, as is James.
neborg67 1 year ago
Can't hear the words for the sounds. Can you take it off please?
Mojosbigstick 1 year ago
If we are both totally depraved and unable to come to God, yet retain a "moral ember" and thus "free will", would this not be a contradiction on the part of Arminius? Arminianism in it's full implications becomes a denial of the Fall, and implies that man is sovereign. HE'S NOT.
Instead of reading either Arminius (or Calvin), why don't we just read the Bible? Just a thought.
americanpolitic1 2 years ago
@americanpolitic1 I think what Calvinists get wrong is equating "being fallen" with being "totally depraved." If you are fallen you are depraved, however being fallen is an on/off 1/0 thing. By contrast being "total depravity" indicates a scale of depravity. It's the difference of "if" and "how much" -you don't have to be totally depraved to be "totally" fallen.
JohananRaatz 1 year ago
hikarihikki, This has got to be the funniest video you have posted, the very thing you are trying to say about a Calvinist, you are doing with this video. by the way I am a Calvinist, and I have many Arminians friends who I consider as brothers. Remember its not our believing that makes something true, truth is truth weather we believe it or not!!!
footew1 2 years ago
Dude, if your going to have 2 people debating they should not have the same voice, at least try t make them sound different!
volkl78 2 years ago
lol... they're all Arminian!
stjono 2 years ago
lol... did you just watch my two previous videos where the C guy told the A guy to read Boettner's "The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination"?
hikarihikki 2 years ago
THE REFORMED DOCTRINE OF PREDESTINATION sas written by Dr. Loraine Boettner was an infralapsarian. Certainly no one would accuse him of being anything but a godfearing Calvinist. You really should read his book. It has a chart in the back comparing C to A. Of course not all A believe the exact same consistently.
A semi-semi Pelagian is one who plays lipservice to the doctrine of total depravity. He will say man must be quickened through prevenient grace before he can chose Christ. Enabled.
Blogrich55 2 years ago
A semi-semi-semi-semi-pelagian is one who plays lip service to the lip service to the lip service of total depravity while on a secret submarine they actually admit they really don't believe it because they want to fool people into believing they believe it for a super secret reason.
Or they actually hold to total depravity and you have incorrectly slandered them by acting as if you can read their mind.
bossmanham 2 years ago
"Or they actually hold to total depravity and you have incorrectly slandered them by acting as if you can read their mind. " boss
You have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like so many looney in the cults. I am not saying you are one. But the lack of all reasoning skills is the same and evident.
There are only so many logical ways to look at a thing.The Arminian seeks to be a middle ground where there is NO TERTIUM QUID. What is the middle ground between life and death spiritually?
Blogrich55 2 years ago
Blogrich55, if you consider Arminius a semi-semi Pelagian, you might as well consider Baxter a semi-semi-semi Pelagian, and perhaps infralapsarians as semi-semi-semi-semi Pelagians.
Many Arminians would consider themselves semi-Augustinian instead.
As for me, I would consider Arminius Arminian and leave it at that.
hikarihikki 2 years ago
"Many Arminians would consider themselves semi-Augustinian instead.
As for me, I would consider Arminius Arminian and leave it at that. " hikarihiki
You don't like to think very precisely do you? Do you just make this stuff up as you go along and toss it out like that?
Blogrich55 2 years ago
lol... the term "semi-Augustinian" is not new. I've heard of this term for quite some time.
hikarihikki 2 years ago
lol... the "not spam" button is not working... the YouTube engineers are working on it
hikarihikki 2 years ago
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ROFLOL
This is a five star strawman. I was once, as a young ARMINIAN college student challenged to prove Finney was a Pelagian. I didn't have to read too much of his Lectures on Revival to do that.
Technically I would call Arminius a semi-semi Pelagian. Such was Jerry Falwell who said Calvinism was a cult. You have set me to doing another vidoe clearing it up.
That Jaccob Herman was an Arminian cannot be denied for sure. What one is and how it differs from Calvinism is on the horizon!
Blogrich55 2 years ago
I read Finney's Systematic Theology quite a while ago, and that systematic contains statements that are semi-Pelagian. I haven't read his Lectures on Revival so I don't know if that contains statements that are outright Pelagian.
As for Jerry Falwall, I don't know much about that guy, so I don't know if he's a semi-semi Pelagian or an Arminian or what-not.
hikarihikki 2 years ago
"As for Jerry Falwall, I don't know much about that guy, so I don't know if he's a semi-semi Pelagian or an Arminian or what-not." hikarihikki
Semi-semi-Pelagian is a more sophisticated form of Arminianism. It claims fallen man is dead in sin and NOT just injured. He must be drawn to Christ by the Holy Spirit and enable to accept Him. Yet this type denies limited atonement and still avows the final choice is the sinners. They would deny irrisistable grace in the sense that Calvinists teach it.
Blogrich55 2 years ago
Oh the silliness of the Calvinists on youtube. Showing their ignorance whenever they speak on Arminian theology.
bossmanham 2 years ago
"Oh the silliness of the Calvinists on youtube. Showing their ignorance whenever they speak on Arminian theology." bossmanham
I was an Arminian the 1st 22 years of my life. I think I know what they teach and do NOT speak from ignorance.
Blogrich55 2 years ago
Sounds to me like you were a semi pelagian who thought you were an Arminian because you weren't a Calvinist. Just because one isn't a Calvinist doesn't mean they are automatically an Arminian. So yes, I believe you do speak from ignorance.
I challenge you to actually read the writings of Arminius and Wesley. Also read Arminian Theology: Myths and Realities by Roger Olson.
bossmanham 2 years ago
"Sounds to me like you were a semi pelagian who thought you were an Arminian because you weren't a Calvinist. Just because one isn't a Calvinist doesn't mean they are automatically an Arminian. So yes, I believe you do speak from ignorance" boss
Of course you think this. Probably because you are clueless when it come to theology or rigorous use of logic. Why don't you enlighten us poor simple Puritans and make a video showing how you DIFFER from Arminianism. I have read Wesley. Go make it!
Blogrich55 2 years ago