RAGE 60fps real-time gameplay demo for iPhone 4 by John Carmack- HD 720p

[Ashnno]

You sound exactly like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory LOL

[rowie324]

loks AMAZING!!!! only downside is the people. they are really badly animated. anyways, AMAZING background

[wangm3ist3rG]

"I did some fairly clever things" ... "this is one of my great points" "leverage all of my skills"... THE EGO ON THIS GUY!!!!!!

[luffaren91]

@wangm3ist3rG Even if he had a big ego. He is the kinda guy that can get away with it. He programmed Keen when he was 20 years old, wolfenstein at 22 and doom at 23.

[wangm3ist3rG]

"I did some fairly clever things" ... ego. genius though. but ego.

[Oziblade]

@wangm3ist3rG

I think he means that he exceeded his own expectations.

[MouthofSaurons]

@wangm3ist3rG I don't really see anything wrong with it as long as he keeps his promises.

[TheRPGguy94]

of course. it runs better on the iphone than it does on the damn PC.

[isorSOT]

@TheRPGguy94 what the fuck?!

[DrLynch2009]

Carmack you've done it again..

[traian118]

i work as a 3d artist in th industry and all i cann tell you is that optimization is probably one of the backbones of this industry. it gives artist freedom to work and also buyers the posibility to enjoy good titles. at the office we were amazed to se this on an iphone. on small platforms like iphone is probably the most important aspect of all when it comes to graphics. this level can not be achieved with udk or unity. so cheers to Carmack!!

[TheLifeEnigma]

Wow...John Carmack is my idol.  Amazing!

[spartan17696]

Carmack you've done it again..

[marcopereli]

So if they can get this good graphics on my iphone , why the fuck does my computer weigh 20 pounds and have a giant blood sucking graphics card in it.. Explain

[ElnAlter]

@marcopereli because those graphics actually suck and the resolution is only 640x

[marcopereli]

@ElnAlter , they look decent to me lol

[JeanetteTherese]

@marcopereli Because a computer isn't just a gaming machine. There is no way in hell I would be able to create million+ poly assets in Maya and Zbrush, light and render scenes, and finally composite those scenes on an iPad.

Plus, the iPad had dedicated hardware and software... a PC has millions of configurations.

[trueprolouge123]

imagine the iphone 5 either A5.5 or an A6 processor with amazing graphics prob comparable to pc

[sh1tpickle]

@trueprolouge123 lol,no

[lolmasterman123]

damn better grahpics than a wii and ps2

[CSLFiero]

optimization is important as hell, but try telling that to people crying over cryengine 3.

[sd9800]

this would look and play soooo much better on the psp ngp

[Soundlmpact]

it has antialiasing enabled too! nice

[kahuna3901]

@skrbicdu if you care about being up to date then buy a nexus phone. app deveopers will find that android is actually really profitable being as its now the biggest smartphone operating system. i think with nvidia and sony supporting gaming on android then i cant see whats going to go wrong. its like if you buy a phone with a tegra and it will be ps certified, you will get the best gaming experience on a smartphone

[ceikhur]

@skrbicdu

Because:

iOS = 70% of sold Money for Apps

Android + WP7 + Symbian + All others = 30 % -||-

P.S. but this dosn`t matters since Sony announced PS-Games for eavery Android Device...

[kahuna3901]

@ceikhur those figures will become outdated this year. android is the largest operating system in the world and whilst yes apps are oftenly free, they become free for minor advertisment within the application. for example one add banner in angry birds equals free angry birds for android. the developer makes money, the user gets a free game. its a google thing. as android carries on cementing its place as the largest mobile os i think we will see even greater improvement to applications

[biggerben2010]

Soon it will be ported to android. Because of tegra 2

[biggerben2010]

Android will get more developers by 2011

Developers & big company studios want to develop games & apps for android & wp7 than ios so your wrong iOS users. So Android will get Rage HD mid or winter or late 2011. Windows phone 7 can't get it because of Low C/C++ support.

[biggerben2010]

IPhone users your wrong because android can handle all the ios games & got the same code c/c++ & android market not messy anymore. It's getting developers & it will get more in 2011 & its got openfeint & scoreloop for online gaming & developers want to develop games for android & windows phone 7 more than ios,symbian & other phone OS. So your wrong. Check the charts, If you don't believe me.

[scruffylittledog]

I hope this is released for Ipod Touch 4g.

[P0tatoPotato]

@scruffylittledog Seriously? Are you being really serious? Most Iphone apps are on Ipod Touch.... Including this one! It's an Ipod Touch and an Iphone app.

[scruffylittledog]

@P0tatoPotato No I was just worried because it looks quite demanding and i thought it would only be able to run on the Iphone 4. I have it on itouch now: It's so good.

[Moscman]

fucking asshole

[P0tatoPotato]

Lmao, the amount of Playstation fanboys going on about how Ipods and DS's aren't that good because they don't have games like killzone, Resistance or God of War. I own a DSi, PSP 2000 and a Ipod Touch 4g, and let me just tell you, I love the IPod Touch 4g more than all of them because it's small, lightweight and you can fit lots of data on it.

[erne57]

@P0tatoPotato buy a pendrive (8)

[guthixgodofbalence]

@P0tatoPotato ipod touch is not an ideal gaming platform for hardcore games THATS what they are talking about ipod just currently has a high processing power.. for now..

[P0tatoPotato]

@guthixgodofbalence I know what they are talking about, but the one I found most enjoyable was my Ipod Touch, it has the bigger variety of games. It has little arcade games and serious games with good graphics. And if we are honest, killzone on psp, compared too this... This definetly has the better graphics.

[gabo007x]

i have this game and it's definitely not running with 60 fps... even on ipod touch 4g

[girlsdrinkfeck]

in al lhonesty , the only good FPs on a mobile device is metroid prime , using the stylus for aiming is the next best thing to using a mouse , altho graphics r dated , the controls r spot on

[semplew]

Does look amazing! Too bad my iPod Touch 2nd gen, doesn't support RAGE HD. :(

[ryanThornhill1]

@semplew its also just a rail shooter

[semplew]

@ryanThornhill1 I know, but still...

[halfingr]

Ah... I love the smell of commentrage in the morning.

[tenonrs]

IS THIS FOR PS3

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@tenonrs the non mobile version will be on ps3 xbox and PC

[WLPowell]

@tenonrs Yes, but you actually get to walk around in the versions released on actual game devices, and it doesn't look like a wii title either.

[PsychoMikeOriginal]

AWESOOME :D .

[ShotaCanvas]

How could it be 60fps if the iphone 4's screen refresh rate is 30fps?

[ShotaCanvas]

I hate haters who think people are idiots

[girlsdrinkfeck]

i hate idiots that think its amazing that a phone can run a simple FPS game , phones these days have at least 1ghzprocessor with 128mb shared GPU memory , come on , it looks no better than quake 3 and that ran on a 100mhz PC with 32mb GPU memory ,stop ya iphone drooling preaching ,itll work on ANY phone

[gunnerbob101]

@girlsdrinkfeck

Itl work, but iphone is main thing that developers develope to.

When sales on App Store are successful, then it maybe is ported to other platvorms like Windows Mobile 7(im not so sure), Android,etc.

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@gunnerbob101 not for long , soon developers will choose android as their 1st priority as android sales r now much higher than iphones , iphones just had a head start , altho windows mobile should be at top damn its crap UI

[rexoverbey]

@girlsdrinkfeck

Except for the fact that you are forgetting ALL IOS devices are compatiable with each other. iPods alone are outselling all android devices, not to mention iPhone and iPad added to the list. You are talking over 60 million total users which is way beyond what Android even scratches.

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@rexoverbey looo l , first iphone and ipods arent compatible with the later ones ,iphone is dying anyway so developers WILL move onto other platforms like androdi and windows phone

[rexoverbey]

@girlsdrinkfeck

Get your facts straight the later ones are still compatiable and all use the same software. Second the iphone is the #1 sold smartphone. Android #'s are always combined sales. Not ONE android phone is outselling iphone. Plus it is funny when you say iphone is dying. LOLOLOLOL. I guess that is why Verizon is salivating to get it on it's network this year. What will happen to Android then? SPLAT.

[marksapollo]

@rexoverbey As a platform IOS can only dream of the sales Symbian has. Android is also outselling it as a platform. But Symbian is getting a bit old now, it was fantastic i it's day, and the Andoid market place is a mess, no where near as many apps and you have several different stores not just one easy to use place.

iPhone has by far the BEST games of ANY mobile platform, after playing Rage you have to ask if you really need a 3DS??

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo id prefer a ds over a stu'pid iphone , FPS games and racing games on phones just plain outright suck , controls r awful !

[marksapollo]

@girlsdrinkfeck That's fine, you stick to your crappy DS, I'll stick to one device in my pocket that is more powerful and useful and has better games that cost next to nothing.

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo and u stick to ya crappy overpriced iphone with awful battery life and a shoddy control system with limited storage space :)

[djaesy]

@girlsdrinkfeck lol i bet u cant even do this on your computer ahaha fag

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@djaesy wow , what a lame attempt at an insult , for a start , that rage iphone game looks no better than some 1998 PC FPS , secondly , my PC maxes out crysis @ 1920x1200 at 40fps

[JURPO90]

@girlsdrinkfeck doesnt look any better than some 1998 pc fps? ok, lets compare this to half-life, released in 1998. about 50x better graphics, those look as good as doom 3´s, but that ran on xbox, and thats only 700 mhz console, while iphone is 1ghz.

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@JURPO90 nope , graphics dosnt look any better than quake 3 , plus its not a real free shooter its rail

[ryanThornhill1]

@girlsdrinkfeck yeah and this game is out now and its just a rail shooter

[ryanThornhill1]

@marksapollo the game is out and its just a rail shooter not a fps

[marksapollo]

@ryanThornhill1 I know it's out, I know it' on rails, I know it has jaw dropping graphics on my iPhone 4. I know the DS can only dream of playing this game. And I also know that ID have plans to launch more games on iOS based on this games engine. I've read the review with Jon Carmack. So when I have a racing game using these graphics on my iPhone, let alone Real Racing 2, then I know I'll have the best portable games machine, phone, camera, music player, video player..........

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo fuck ios , nintendo 3ds FTW

[marksapollo]

@girlsdrinkfeck Jealousy is a cruel beast, and it's obvious your full of it!

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo jealous ? haha , i own a top end mobile phone , HTC HD2 , and a high end gaming PC with a 24 inch monitor and 42inch hdtv and projector no im not jealous 1 bit , because when th eREAL game comes out , illl be playing it on high res on my PC , not on some crappy low resolution phone

[marksapollo]

@girlsdrinkfeck Yeap, your jealous alright, otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to list all the things you own that have nothing to do with this discussion. Your jealous because you will NEVER play this game on that phone, nor the new racing game using ID are making using the same graphics engine. And if you were a real snob you would realise your phones out of date and it's been superseded by the HD7!! Also funny you call the iPhone 'low res' when you have an HD2!! lol

[0blaze]

@marksapollo Epic Win.... luv my iphone 4

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo erm , HD2 is a awesome phone ,its the same hardware as a HD7 , iphone IS low res , its pathetic , my phones WVGA resolution ! haha iphone is like x320 , lame , plus gaming on phones all suck anyway , rather use a nintendo 3ds when it comes out

[marksapollo]

@girlsdrinkfeck Now I can't be bothered anymore because you have NO idea what you are saying. I suggest you use Google to research your supposed 'facts' before typing them...... I.E HD2 res: 800 by 480 4.3", iPhone 4 res: 960 by 640 3.5". If you cannot understand the true FACTS then don't bother replying...

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo i said iphone not iphone 4 , u fail , and iphone was way behind for many years compapred to other phones , only just caught up , giv eit a few onths and htc and samsung will bring out 720p phones, samsings phpones r already better wuth AMOLED , AMOLED is the best

[marksapollo]

@girlsdrinkfeck AMOLED looks nice, shame you can't see it in sunlight!!!! And I see so your comparing your old tech phone to the older tech iPhone.

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@marksapollo super amoled works just in well in sun now , thank god, and im never much of a mobile gamer ,like i said , rather play the real rage on the PC :)

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@rexoverbey "Second the iphone is the #1 sold smartphone. Android #'s are always combined sales. Not ONE android phone is outselling iphone".............u do realise there are 4 iphones ? and not just 1 ? so thats a invalid argument righ tthere

[touchdiamondmax]

20gb for the full version ;o

[Globox822]

John Carmack = programming genius

[kizkoool]

Nice stuff.

But I would be more impressed if there was a RAGE engine for Nintendo 3DS!

[stupidjunk978]

720p my ass. The iPhone 4 has a max resolution of 640p, even with its touted Retina display it doesn't have enough pixels to display 720p, it would just be downscaled. Who is this fucktard?

[mattmichler]

@stupidjunk978 720p was in reference to the youtube video recording...

[stupidjunk978]

@mattmichler Yes, but it's very misleading to put it in the title, along with the 60fps claim - it makes it look like its referring to resolution of the game on the iPhone.

Everyone knows youtube videos can go up to 720p, there's no need to put it in the title, just let people click the 720p button in the corner. This was deliberately designed to make people think the game is running at 60fps 720p.

[mattmichler]

@stupidjunk978 Most of the videos on youtube of the iPhone RAGE tech demo are not in 720p, that's why he put it in the title. And the demo was running at 60FPS in the native iPhone 4 resolution. It may not seem like it when you are watching this because you are watching a camera recording of a large projector screen which was connected to an iPhone 4 so there is some serious delay and what not.

[Foko851]

@stupidjunk978 Oh man!!, the video is 720p not the iphone 4 screen, nobody says something about 720p, carmack says the it runs great on all devices but the iphone 4 has higher resolution!

[tuntitommosille]

Carmack was cool back in the days of Quake 1, when optimization and clever algorithms really mattered. Nowadays you can just chuck stuff at a graphics API and let insanely powerful hardware crunch it for you, so the relevance of guys like Carmack has been greatly reduced. I think this is a good thing. Now the emphasis can be put on content instead of technology.

[a1a36341]

@tuntitommosille

You think wrong. Optimization is one of, if not THE chief objectives of programming. Adopting 3d technologies from HD industries such as commercial film? That's an optimization job. Squashing bugs? Optimization. Writing a cross-platform engine which runs predictably and quickly in all environments (see Unreal 3). That is a crapload of optimization.

STALKER was the most detailed post-apoc survival game upon release. I dare you to play it without patching or tweaks.

[tuntitommosille]

@a1a36341 How is squashing bugs or adopting technologies optimization? These are implementation that you speak of. Optimization is when you try different approaches to a problem to reach acceptable performance and then possibly write critical bits of code in assembly. However, neither of these are really relevant today, unless you're doing something odd like writing a new type of renderer or targeting very special and limited hardware.

[JeanetteTherese]

@tuntitommosille I don't think you understand what you are talking about. Optimization is one of the biggest aspects of all programming, even simple web programming. Optimization is what allowed the Quake 3 engine to reign supreme in the late 90's early 00's. Optimization is what allows the Unreal Engine 3 to dominate now. Optimization is what allows idTech 5 to run on PS3, XBox, PC, and iOS.

[tuntitommosille]

@JeanetteTherese Optimizing web pages? Oh please. It's called not writing incompatible crap code. Optimization may come into question when you get a million hits per day and decide to trade off valid syntax for speed. Q3 didn't reign supreme, Q1 did. IdTech 5 runs on different platforms thanks to good platform agnostic design. You can't even optimize across those platforms, because the hardware is completely different. Optimization is just icing on the cake, not "one of the biggest aspects".

[JeanetteTherese]

@tuntitommosille

A simple google search would show you that the Quake3 engine did reign supreme. More than 50 games were made with it.

[interpol007]

@JeanetteTherese unreal 3 is outdated now. Not saying its garbage, but its old, akin to quake 3 engine.

[JeanetteTherese]

@interpol007 I disagree. UE3 is an extremely powerful engine and it has a few more years left of it. The difference between it and Quake 3 is that Epic continually updates the engine. Carmack just creates a badass engine and leaves it to other developers to build off of.

My only beef is that it does still contain texture popping and most of the developers that license it copy Epics art style.

[RyckardPT]

@JeanetteTherese 99% right, but rage doesnt use idTech5 for iOS. Cheers!

[JeanetteTherese]

@RyckardPT Thanks. Seems that most sites misquoted him and had failed to follow up on his tweet making the correction. Learn something new everyday!

Still damn impressive what can be achieved on a mobile device nowadays.

[Origin1993]

60 fps MY ASS. MASSIVE framedrops.

[ucanbetouched]

@Origin1993 when he says 60fps he's talking about an average framerate

[UnemployedLaotianGuy]

john sucks when it comes to making fun games. its the same shit over and over just with better graphics.

[LBt1st]

@UnemployedLaotianGuy This is true, but even he know that. That's why he handles the tech and other guys make the games with it.

[LuvPlayN]

This looks crazy for a phone...it'de be pretty cool if it turned out this way when it's finished.

But don't forget in a full game u'll need to also render AI as well as the Gun you hold in front of you. And yeah there was AI in this video, but as he does the walkthrough he stays far away from them or...tries to dart around them so they remain outta focus. If you can pause it at around 46 seconds, that dude looks he came out of a PS1 game.

But yeah the point of the vid was to show environment.

[Ryaaaannnn1]

the wii has just been fucked over by a mobile.

[MechaMugen]

@Ryaaaannnn1 And that mobile just got fucked over by the 3DS.

[Ryaaaannnn1]

@MechaMugen true true but it kinda proves how bad the wii is.

[KannX]

God exists. God's full name is CARMACK, JOHN CARMACK.

[Andrewterrorist]

wow, running on an iphone 4. Amazing. But wait, this game is set to be released in September of 2011. I'm sure by that time Apple has released the iPhone 5 and will have even better graphics capabilities than what this has now. My opinion this shouldnt be showcased so early so, invalid video demonstration is invalid.

[taypuc31]

@Andrewterrorist He said it is coming out on iphone in like november this year. I was there.

[lolops30]

i have a question, the rage that is coming out for iphone is exactly (or almost exaclty) like the console version? im not talking about graphics, im talking about the missions, the NPC's the storyline

thanks in advance

[mesaoneCCK]

he says this is incredibly cool on an iPad. Know what else is cool on an iPad? My dick.

[alteregoAtlas]

iPhones are great, love mine all day. But I still don't know about playing a game on one that isn't all touch screen. And by that I mean touch based controls not on-screen buttons.

I don't know about the rest of you gamers buy i need to be able to feel the buttons and analog in order to use muscle memory properly to best play and enjoy any game especially something like this.

[64base]

Have you guys checked out Unreal Engine 3 on iPhone? Search for Project Sword or Epic Citadel.

[776locust]

Not impressed, really. Interiors are the easiest to render. Show some massive outdoor environments running at 60 fps, then I'll be impressed.

[willdraven]

@776locust This is running on a CELL PHONE.

What the hell is wrong with people these days? Beautiful 3d rendering in our pockets (OUR !@#$%^& POCKETS) and still complaining. A decade ago you would need a whole building full of computers to generate something looking like that.

[stupidjunk978]

@willdraven Someone's been watching Louis CK

[extralif3]

@776locust true, but to achieve those lighting effects, moving npcs (both of which is at 60fps), AND if the claim that it runs great even on a 2g iphone... thats something special

[grendelee]

Is this one of those streaming things?......

[EvilKerek]

@GalacticH3ro - I'm sure you'd buy iPoop if steve would release it. Fanbois are such idiots.

[MrPayback]

how do nerds develop that accent? i have never understood it

i want john to make a video explaining that instead.

[negaluke]

@MrPayback it comes free with the aspergers

[qmriis]

@MrPayback What accent?

[wafflerockr]

@qmriis nerd.

[igrenade]

@wafflerockr said the guy calling someone a nerd on a nerdy video page.

lol

[wafflerockr]

@igrenade No, I meant the accent.. its called 'Nerd'

[Zabbai]

I don't want to play games on my f**king phone.

[turfturbo]

@Zabbai That there is the pure underlying truth.

[trallala]

@Zabbai Then you probably shouldn't buy an iPhone, I guess?

[chirpieguy]

@Zabbai

Here's the cool thing; you don't have too. Say, that was easy!

[KOXPUSERNAME]

@Zabbai

u TOTALY right dude....TOOTALLLLLY

[BorkaBonum]

If this engine runs like this on an iPhone, think about how it'd run on a Galaxy S.

But I'm still not impressed. As for a GAME the lack of physical buttons is absolutely a deal-breaker. As a pretty benchmark - sure.

[GalacticH3ro]

@BorkaBonum Galaxy $ sucks.

[BorkaBonum]

@GalacticH3ro

So does the iPhone 4 with its delicious antenna.

What I was refering to was naturally the tougher GPU inside the Galaxy S opposed to the iPhone(s).

[supurcell]

For a demo of what the RAGE engine can do, this video sure spent a lot of time just staring at walls while not moving at all.

[cyrusken30]

@fishbong i dont mind not having physical buttons,as long as the game is rightfully implemented thats ok... i've been playing madden 10, plants vs zombies and street fighter 4 on my iphone 4 and it doesnt bother me at all...

and if i was sony & nintendo i will be worried, between this and epic citadel by unreal engine (look for it here @tube) there is no reason to bring a phone and a psp or 3ds.... just an iphone 4 is enough

[fishbong]

They forgot to mention how on the actual iPhone you can't see half of the game environment because it is blocked by your fingers, who due to the lack of gaming controls have to fondle the screen constanly for you to do anything ingame.

The iPhone is neat for 5 minute casual games, but i don't think Nintendo and sony will have to worry about it becoming real competition. Especially since it is priced so much higher than handheld consoles.

[TheYou444]

If he says it runs great on a 2g iphone, then ipod touch 2g 8gb will be able to get this game for sure. I'd pay 20 bucks for this.

[pcfanboy142]

lol sony better respond with the psp 2 or whatever, and quick, because that there is amazing

[xamanto]

@pcfanboy142 it is amazing, indeed. but remember, this is work of mr. carmack, the genius. i doubt anyone else could pull that shit off THIS well.

[axlrotten1985]

@pcfanboy142 totally agree. I was ready to drop my iphone when I heard a about a playstation cell but after seeing this. Forget about it!

[g30rg10]

@pcfanboy142 a psp2 with 2 freggin analog sticks.

[Aragiss]

@pcfanboy142 i agree. its time for the psp to rule the gaming universe once again

[girlsdrinkfeck]

@Aragiss psp never did TBH , its always been the DS , but both r good anyhow , different handsets for different markets

[Aragiss]

@girlsdrinkfeck Well lets call it, hardcore mobile gaming then. Neither iPod touch/iPhone nor Nintendo has many hardcore games. Y'know like God of War, Resistance, Killzone...

[KOXPUSERNAME]

@Aragiss

Yeahhh...But we need psp 2 anyway :)

[ezakirth]

Radiosity lightning is baked into the textures, just like in the PC game. The real time lightning is certainly much less complex on the iPhone version. Megatextures allow for a really great and unique looking environments

[VGAnxiety]

carmack is the most awesome nerd on earth. i bet this guy even has the cure to AIDS and any kind of cancer in his pocket.

[LessthanJake14]

@VGAnxiety No, his voice cures cancer.

[Hzqi]

@VGAnxiety

I love how casually un-humble he is. "I did some clever things with sub-pixel precision". He's like [Yeah, what's the point denying it. I fucking own your souls, noobs].

[TeinCave]

@VGAnxiety He's a programmer, not a scientist.

[VectorPlasmid]

@TeinCave Actually, believe it or not. I do remember reading that John Carmack was/still is an avid rocket scientist.

[TeinCave]

@VectorPlasmid You're right. I totally forgot about that. Although, really, he's more of an aerospace engineer. Rocket scientist is just a fancy term folks use.

[TogusaRusso]

I'm sorry, but is there is some kind of dynamic lightning or all this is just prerendered textures?

[arvinkong]

......Speechless..Sony is going to cry now

I am hoping fps wont drop in real gaming

[jono501]

incredible.

[Sparks424]

WOW is all i got to say .