Fuck hypercapitalism... Fuck Wall Street and the Republican Party, and all those assholes who continue to support the disgusting gap between the rich and the poor. When 3% of America, could buy the remaining 97% with money to spare.... there's a bigass fucking problem.
You call it hypercapitalism, Joseph Stiglitz calls it ersatz capitalism, otherwise known as lemon socialism. But hey, I feel you. Every rich guy deserves a bonus handout. Every CEO has the right to murder. Global society looks pretty dystopian from here.
For those who can look beyond the predations of the collapsing Capitalist Empire and of the idiocies of prophetic religion of various chosen, both Solzhenitzyn and Putin have a message that is much more than Russian.
An intelligence service in which those doing the valid work are in fear of the lunatics and cowboys, whether they are rabid ideologues, religionists of one sort or another, or just psychopaths in a niche, is no intelligence at all.
The Western world actively keeps a system alive that concentrates over half of the world's wealth in the hands of multi-nationals and multi-billionaires. As stated by... goddamn, i can't remember his name! Help me out on this one because whoever he is, he's right.
"When theology erodes and organization crumbles, when the institutional framework of religion begins to break up, the search for a direct experience which people can feel to be religious facilitates the rise of cults."
Daniel Bell
Typical Daniel Bell display of his own complete ignorance of what he thought he was talking about.
Deconstruct Bell's quotation above carefully, including the implied causes and effects, and a insightful portrait of a truly distinguished idiot emerges, blowing his carefully worked ignorance right out his ass.
Another specimen for your glass case, Fleetwood--notice this one is transparent, he, she, or it in his, her, or its ignorance not only purports to understand economics but also no less than "human nature."
There is the high comedy in the fact that the Capitalists are ultimately themselves devoured by the Finance Capitalists.
The Finance Capitalists don't understand economics or human nature either, but they sure as hell understand Capitalists.
How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
( Ronald Reagan )
It is against human nature to try run a system on "From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs."
The hilarious part of yours and Reagan's hyperactive ignorance is this, CommanderUTube--behind Marx on every major economic point was David Ricardo, the inventor of Classical Econmics, who had the naivety to make Classic British Liberal economics transparent.
Capitalism, it is said, is a system wherein man exploits man. And communism -- is vice versa.
( Daniel Bell )
Now that makes hyper-capitalism hyper-exploitation. Means hyper-system failures when the matrix winds itself into a tangle or ends up at the vanishing points
The language of power has become frantically reformist. It shows nothing but well-being in every store window, all sold at the best price; it denounces the ever-present defects of its own system. The owners of society have suddenly discovered that everything has to be changed without delay, in teaching as in urbanism, just as thoroughly in the way work is lived as well as in technological orientation.
In short, this world has lost the confidence of all its governments; they then propose to dissolve it and constitute another. They only observe that they are more qualified than revolutionaries to undertake this overthrow that requires such experience and such incredible means, which they justly possess and, therefore, which they are accustomed to using.
Look at them, wearing their hearts on their sleeves, those regulators who shoulder the obligation of programming the qualitative, and those managers of pollution whose first task they have assigned themselves is to lead the struggle against their own pollution.
However, confronted with the old defeats of the revolution, modern capitalism had previously presented itself as a reformism that had succeeded. It prided itself on having achieved this liberty and this commodity well-being. One day, it hoped to succeed in delivering its paid slaves, if not from salaried work, then at least from the abundant remains of deprivation and excessive inequality...or, more precisely, from those deprivations that it saw fit to recognize as such.
Today, what's more, it promises to deliver them from all the new perils and displeasures that it is precisely engaged in mass-producing, as an essential characteristic of the most modern commodity taken in its entirety, and it is the same expanding production, touted so highly up until now as the ultimate cure-all, which will have to correct itself, always under the exclusive control of the same bosses. ...
Yes, the facade is beginning to break. People are beginning to see that government is a yoke and not a feed-trough. Even the dullest sheep now start to see it.
Comme j'arrive tard dans l'Humanité! murmurait-il.. Bon nombre de grandes paroles seraient incrustées, aujourd'hui, ne varietur,--(sic),--textuelles, enfin, sur les feuilles de mon cylindre, puisque son prodigieux perfectionnement permet de recueillir, dès à présent, les ondes sonores à distance!... Et ces paroles y seraient enregistrées avec le ton, le timbre, l'accent du débit et même les vices de prononciation de leurs énonciateurs.
"...Jorn began to receive international recognition and legitimation for his art works, the only one among the Situationists. The SI members foresaw that, the mechanisms of the society of the spectacle that transforms artistic creators in "lookouts of the spectacularization of culture", could have created serious and unnecessary problems t...and that Jorn's position could have been exploited to depict the SI stance for the destruction of the society of the spectacle as hypocritical.
At the following conference of the Central Council of the SI, in April 1961, Jorn therefore presents a quit letter, in which confirms his total agreement with the SI. This was just an "official" resignation, and he just switched to an undercover participation, under the alias George Keller.
Art historians mystified these events presenting them as the split of the head of the "artistic wing" of the SI, supposedly in conflict with the "political wing" presumed to be headed by Debord. The authors of such mystification didn't even notice the suspect similarities between the resigning Jorn and the "new member" Keller
"Our ministers and all politicians [were] disturbed, not without reason, at having to read our writings in order to contemplate themselves with realism at last..."
La séparation fait elle-même partie de lunité du monde, de la praxis sociale globale qui sest scindée en réalité et en image. La pratique sociale, devant laquelle se pose le spectacle autonome, est aussi la totalité réelle qui contient le spectacle....
Mais la scission dans cette totalité la mutile au point de faire apparaître le spectacle comme son but. Le langage du spectacle est constitué par des signes de la production régnante, qui sont en même temps la finalité dernière de cette production....
There's more than an echo of DeBord in Du Levande--did he too have to stay drunk just to live and think in regard to what he saw around him as the "container"?
Every so often a really BAD film is worth watching and analyzing closely--one of them is the purely mythological "Heartland", a prize-winning film from 1979.
It is exactly the mythology and spectacle Debord was talking about--a Disney monetarist fantasy from beginning to end.
If you analyze it carefully from the economic point of view, you immediately realize that the fuckers portrayed are close to being too fucking stupid to live.
Mopsius, I was away causing trouble, but I'm back thanks to FF saved session.
On Terrorism and the State. Perfect. The founders of that Spectacle in USA wrote offhand of plans in advance, rather openly. Then claimed it's absurd and treasonous to suggest that.
I can't find Heartland on TPB, only REO Speedwagon - Live In The Heartland. That is probably a suitable soundtrack to the movie.
~ too fucking stupid to live.
I don't like to think those Leninist thots, but sometimes I do anyhow.
cat,—but not a musk-cat,—that has fallen into the unclean fishpond of her displeasure, and, as he says, is muddied withal: pray you, sir, use the carp as you may; for he looks like a poor, decayed,ingenious, foolish, rascally knave. I do pity his distress in my similes of comfort and leave him to your lordship....
WS
Pearl River style, but do it up quick, they begin to stink from the head....
"A few days after he reached Capreae and was by himself, a fisherman appeared unexpectedly and offered him a huge mullet;whereupon in his alarm that the man had clambered up to him from the back of the island over rough and pathless rocks, he had the poor fellow's face scrubbed with the fish...."
Edison pretty much an asshole as far as the free market was concerned. He spent most of his life trying to get the government to prevent competitors with (government) guns. The reason Hollywood is, well, in Hollywood is because of the infant movie industry fleeing Edison's jurisdiction.
Very well. The fractional reserve banks commit fraud. Fraud can only take resources from actual producers. Free market capitalists are the largest actual producers.
The fractional reserve banks (and the politically connected companies they benefit) skim wealth off of the system by printing money. They gain and others lose, while producing nothing in return. Like a parasite.
... as has the left wing. We await the return of wisdom.
The world cannot survive even one of our current contradictions.
The socialists think they can consume goods while destroying those who produce them. The fascists think they can have freedom while forging chains to imprison it.
The socialists think they can force the economy without creating fascism and the fascists think they can force uniformity without socialism.
Either of these ideas is enough to destroy ourselves.
and Wall St thinks it can make profits indefinitely based on credit and inflation, while destroying productive industry for it's pensions and share value.
Fascism and Socialism are not happening. Globalization of Finance Capitalism IS happening.
I think it's the growing meaninglessness and bastardization of the old labels that has led to increased talk of more nebulous terms, like the Illuminati and New World Order. We've run out of useful categories.
Fascism *is* happening in it's original sense. Mussolini defined it: government/corporate partnership. Mussolini hoped the gov would be the master. Now the corps are.
But the power is still the gun in the hands of the state.
I'd so love to dive deeper into symbolism with you, but we were arguing about the nature of capitalism before you went deep diving, care to return to the surface?
Finance Capitalism, on the other hand, which is the executioner of Industrial Capitalism, is a purely symbolic order with its own instantaneous self-destruct.
"Finance capitalism" (in the fractional reserve sense) is to "Industrial Capitalism" as ticks are do dogs. At best you can live with it. At worst you of a horrible disease.
You missed the point of the criticism. The point is that there is not a single person/group running the thing, nor is there likely to be anytime in the future. It is too complex. Too much info to process into a point.
What you *do* have right is that a small (useless) group has tricked the much larger (useful) group into working for freshly printed paper. They are a parasite. They print money and spend it as if they had produced real value.
> And that does seem to be the essence of capitalism, ... out of the way.
You have not learned the lesson. The only growing city in the US is DC. When a society is in decay from overedose of government, go where the government is to make money.
The beast rots from head to guts.
What will you do when your job is useless? When people like me have no reason to tell you how the world works?
Are you aware that you gave a definition of fascism that is completely false? Fascism is a statist system of authoritarian rule that allows the symbolism of private ownership over the means of production; however, in reality there is little that distinguishes it from the other Marxist/socialist governments. Also, you wrongly defined corporatism. Corporatist systems typically utilize strong state intervention to direct policies and to prevent conflict between the corporations (interest groups)
If you do not look at the complete picture and understand why America has a society who has the highest standard of living in the world, you risk being riduculous.
"Spectacle is a technical term, meant to connote often violent and oppressive social control that masquerades as a celebration of betterment by recycling pseudo-reforms, false-desires, and selective sightings of progressive evolution, never devolution..."
Regulation, govt interference is the problem. The only way to turn this around is to allow us to be free of the govt chains put on us by taxation. When the govt has no money to support their special interests and "contributors" businesses like AIG and Citi would fail. The CEOs of those companies would not get rewarded for failure since they wouldn't be bailed out. The Fed should be abolished, let the markets and we the people dictate the terms on which we should do business.
These are just bad men who are using these corporations. The corporations are being raped and pillaged just as much. It is the men behind these corporations and the revolving door between corporate heads and government posts that is the problem. Don't make it sound sexier than it is.
That's the really nice thing about Finance Capitalism--the Finance Capitalists buy the government and the law and the regulators and the politicians and the rest and fuck everyone systematically.
No, no--perish the thought, corduroyful--these are not "bad men", as you call them, these are free market Capitalists in their most advanced evolutionary state.
Use whatever terms and definition you prefer, but capitalism is not evil by definition and neither is the government.However, as @corduroyful stated, the link between govt and powerful corporations is leading to abuse of the system. The focus should be on exposing the truth about the controlling interests behind the scenes, not simply wanting to do away with capitalism and increasing govt regulation.How can we trust the govt when they hand out money to those who elect them and donate $ to them?
Council on Foreign Relations list of members on wikipedia, Goldman, Citi, Kbr, AArp, Pfizer, Glaxo, George Bush, Clintons, Soros, McCain,Allbright, half of the people in congress. Our government is nothing but a prostitution ring. All our presidents have been puppits these last few decades sans Kennedy and Reagan. We gotta get this unsavory bunch out of our buildings. They have turned our capital into a house of ill repute.
I don't think this is capitalism. It is our constitution not addressing special interests legislation, McCain Feingold, and George Soros via the Council on Foreign Relations. You are wrong about this being capitalism. This is government subsidized failure and allocation of tax dollars to heads of companies and then back to the dirty politicians. It is fascism.
The present stage is called Finance Capitalism, and it is well known historically.
It is the last monopolistic and imperialist stage before final collapse.
Lenin has a workable if simple Marxist mechanical model.
Other models are possible--a semeiological one, for example, or a metaeconomic one--but they all come to the same thing as far as the endgame is concerned.
Capitalism is allowing supply and demand forces to work directly. What we have now is quite the opposite with government subsidizing bab behavior including bailing out banks that should have gone under. PERIOD END OF STORY.
Didn't you know the Invisible Hand of GOD is what runs the Market? Dammit.
That's why tinkering, regulating, socializing is wrong. It's like asking Satan to write your grocery list.
Corduroy,
I once thought there was maybe *some* truth to that, but it seems that a pure "free trade" era never existed in America when Govts of Capitalists and former Feudalists did not bend the hidden hand to create special privileges for the cool crowd. Or very brief time til capitalists changed it.
My dream "system"......one that allows the individual to make the choices! Very, very limited government with defined responsibilites...no more! I trust the individual far more than I trust government. Look at the mess they've made of this country! POWER and FREEDOM to the people!
Third, Capitalism is a process not a state, and the present state of US Capitalism is Finance Capitalism, which happens to be both Fascist and Corporatist.
Second, Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions of people, directly and indirectly over several centuries, and is still up to its murderous and genocidal ways. That kind of homicide the Capitalists and their dupes, like you, never count.
You make some interesting points however, you failed to speak to one thing. That is, that the very government that you'd have regulate everything is in bed with the people that make up the problem. 535 members of congress were front and center of this financial crisis. Without their complicity, pirates of capitalism would have to earn their money like everyone else.
I would argue that by allowing our government to get to its present size, we have inadvertently given them the power that they cannot resist abusing. The best way to prevent hyper-capitalism in my opinion is rule of law, and free and open markets. That means players are free to fail, free to lose money, and all activities are conducted without governmental protection, and in the light of day.
So the fact that pure capitalism is not possible, we should reject it entirely and embrace socialism? We all see the track record for that over the previous century.
I'm sure you are familiar with the body count. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and the other socialists. You are probably equally familiar with all of the Americans swimming to Cuba to enjoy the good life of socialism. Oh wait, I seem to have that backwards... Romanleo77 has it right. Take government out of the financial redistribution biz so that they can focus on rule of law. We as citizens need to be economically literate and stop asking our government to insert themselves into our day-to-day lives.
Actually not--at least not with the blatantly invented figures the Right has come up with without a mention of the hundreds of millions killed by Capitalism over two centuries.
Nazi = National Socialist. Words mean things. Have you been to China? Soviet Union? I'm guessing not. You should talk to the children and grandchildren of the survivors before you disrespect the dead. Something you should consider, early supporters are often early victims of their own movement. Look up Night of the Long Knives.
The only "nationalism" in National Socialism was the sense of the Latin "natio", an ethnic or racial grouping.
The only "socialism" in National Socialism was the name, which was designed to blunt the meaning of "Socialism" as used by the many German Communists and Socialists, the NAZI's fierce opponents and enemies.
I believe it's true that the Brownshirts at the Beer Hall Putsch who made Army spy Hitler their leader, believed in "redistribution of wealth", in a very limited, selfish sense.
It's true that Himmler and Hitler did not approve of any actual socialization of Aristocrats' wealth (except "racial enemies"), nor power-sharing, so that arm of the movement was violently subdued by the SS Intelligence wing, equiv of our CIA.
I know, I know. Amerikkka sucks, Exxon suxx, Wal-Mart reeks, babies should be dead and not heard, Viva Acorn, Che & SIEU. On that cheerful note - HAPPY NEW YEAR HOAX & CHANGELINGS
I heart socialism
ComradeChad 1 year ago 4
Great work. More plain talk like this, less sensationalism and vanity in the counterculture please.
Blomquist23 1 year ago 3
Fuck hypercapitalism... Fuck Wall Street and the Republican Party, and all those assholes who continue to support the disgusting gap between the rich and the poor. When 3% of America, could buy the remaining 97% with money to spare.... there's a bigass fucking problem.
Jarut195 1 year ago 2
Comment removed
dilbertgeg 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@Jarut195 bump
13 Bankers:
"Lure people into that calm and then just totally f--em.
email:
We are Wall Street. Its our job to make money. Whether its a commodity, stock, bond, or some hypothetical piece of fake paper, it doesnt matter.
We eat what we kill, and when the only thing left to eat is on your dinner plates, well eat that.
We arent dinosaurs. We are smarter and more vicious than that, and we are going to survive.
---
Glossing the point of how those profits were captured.
dilbertgeg 1 year ago
im not very bright when it comes to politics but i do totally agree with this video...
urgirlfriend14 1 year ago
You call it hypercapitalism, Joseph Stiglitz calls it ersatz capitalism, otherwise known as lemon socialism. But hey, I feel you. Every rich guy deserves a bonus handout. Every CEO has the right to murder. Global society looks pretty dystopian from here.
oldParasiteSingle 1 year ago
Funny how the most evil bastards in this world come from the Ivy League. Probably some complex held over from high school. ha
mtb416 2 years ago
Hyper as in So yesterday!
Academic nomenclature!
Capitalism run amok is best described as
CorporateCannibalism!
Per Social Darwinism where only the fittest survive thru mergers & aquisitions. what consumed humans call captured cannibalism!
Whatever, the moniker your observation
is to the point. For those who turn the wheels of commerce, once run over, careers consumed.
The afterTaste is cannabilism!
rwcbanzai 2 years ago
"Every country needs an intelligence service"
Alexander Solzhenizyn
For those who can look beyond the predations of the collapsing Capitalist Empire and of the idiocies of prophetic religion of various chosen, both Solzhenitzyn and Putin have a message that is much more than Russian.
mopsius 2 years ago
An intelligence service in which those doing the valid work are in fear of the lunatics and cowboys, whether they are rabid ideologues, religionists of one sort or another, or just psychopaths in a niche, is no intelligence at all.
mopsius 2 years ago
By the way, I personally believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone when he kidnapped and murdered Aldo Moro.
dilbertgeg 1 year ago
The Western world actively keeps a system alive that concentrates over half of the world's wealth in the hands of multi-nationals and multi-billionaires. As stated by... goddamn, i can't remember his name! Help me out on this one because whoever he is, he's right.
jb1563700 2 years ago
"When theology erodes and organization crumbles, when the institutional framework of religion begins to break up, the search for a direct experience which people can feel to be religious facilitates the rise of cults."
Daniel Bell
Typical Daniel Bell display of his own complete ignorance of what he thought he was talking about.
mopsius 2 years ago
Deconstruct Bell's quotation above carefully, including the implied causes and effects, and a insightful portrait of a truly distinguished idiot emerges, blowing his carefully worked ignorance right out his ass.
mopsius 2 years ago
Another specimen for your glass case, Fleetwood--notice this one is transparent, he, she, or it in his, her, or its ignorance not only purports to understand economics but also no less than "human nature."
There is the high comedy in the fact that the Capitalists are ultimately themselves devoured by the Finance Capitalists.
The Finance Capitalists don't understand economics or human nature either, but they sure as hell understand Capitalists.
mopsius 2 years ago
You fucking dumbass Paulistas and Neo-British Classic Liberals really should read Ricardo closely sometime.
It will explain how and why you wound up in the fucking Alaskan gulag.
mopsius 2 years ago
How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.
( Ronald Reagan )
It is against human nature to try run a system on "From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs."
CommanderUTube 2 years ago
Ronald Reagan neither read Marx and Lenin nor understood them.
That's how you tell a moron, like you are as well, CommanderUTube.
No serious economist can do without mastering Marx, who in one sense invented "Captialism" you slobbering moron.
mopsius 2 years ago
The hilarious part of yours and Reagan's hyperactive ignorance is this, CommanderUTube--behind Marx on every major economic point was David Ricardo, the inventor of Classical Econmics, who had the naivety to make Classic British Liberal economics transparent.
mopsius 2 years ago
So, as with all your wise ignoramus kind, CommanerUTube, you just had the good grace to shoot yourself in the fucking ass.
mopsius 2 years ago
The US is a predatory Capitalist warfare state.
The US is Communism for the rich, Capitalism for the poor.
The US is from each according to need, to each according to excess.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
Capitalism, it is said, is a system wherein man exploits man. And communism -- is vice versa.
( Daniel Bell )
Now that makes hyper-capitalism hyper-exploitation. Means hyper-system failures when the matrix winds itself into a tangle or ends up at the vanishing points
CommanderUTube 2 years ago
Daniel Bell was a fool--and a vicious one at that.
mopsius 2 years ago
At any rate, the US is bankrupt and the Anglo-American enterprise of the last century is over.
Guillaume and the "private property" of his body, infinitesimally divided over a millennium, is at the vanishing point.
There is no return to status quo ante.
The Capitalists, including the Paulists, are shouting their hosannahs over a dead dog.
mopsius 2 years ago
Lenin was right. Bernstein was wrong.
Bernstein/ enough time = Tony Blair
mopsius 2 years ago
"Everything that power does not forecast, because it has not organized it, therefore becomes a 'plot' against it."
Gianfranco Sanguinetti
mopsius 2 years ago
The language of power has become frantically reformist. It shows nothing but well-being in every store window, all sold at the best price; it denounces the ever-present defects of its own system. The owners of society have suddenly discovered that everything has to be changed without delay, in teaching as in urbanism, just as thoroughly in the way work is lived as well as in technological orientation.
GS
mopsius 2 years ago
In short, this world has lost the confidence of all its governments; they then propose to dissolve it and constitute another. They only observe that they are more qualified than revolutionaries to undertake this overthrow that requires such experience and such incredible means, which they justly possess and, therefore, which they are accustomed to using.
GS (2)
mopsius 2 years ago
Look at them, wearing their hearts on their sleeves, those regulators who shoulder the obligation of programming the qualitative, and those managers of pollution whose first task they have assigned themselves is to lead the struggle against their own pollution.
GS (3)
mopsius 2 years ago
However, confronted with the old defeats of the revolution, modern capitalism had previously presented itself as a reformism that had succeeded. It prided itself on having achieved this liberty and this commodity well-being. One day, it hoped to succeed in delivering its paid slaves, if not from salaried work, then at least from the abundant remains of deprivation and excessive inequality...or, more precisely, from those deprivations that it saw fit to recognize as such.
GS (4)
mopsius 2 years ago
Today, what's more, it promises to deliver them from all the new perils and displeasures that it is precisely engaged in mass-producing, as an essential characteristic of the most modern commodity taken in its entirety, and it is the same expanding production, touted so highly up until now as the ultimate cure-all, which will have to correct itself, always under the exclusive control of the same bosses. ...
GS (5)
mopsius 2 years ago
Geezus Christ, it sounds just like the Ron Paul Revolution--Down with this Corrupt Capitalism! Let us fix it all with the Real Capitalism--HAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago
Sangunetti is a card--he really is--with Debord, half a century ahead at least and still gaining.
mopsius 2 years ago
Sanguinetti
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Yes, the facade is beginning to break. People are beginning to see that government is a yoke and not a feed-trough. Even the dullest sheep now start to see it.
sdkee 2 years ago
As usual, looking for a free lunch.
mopsius 2 years ago
Comme j'arrive tard dans l'Humanité! murmurait-il.. Bon nombre de grandes paroles seraient incrustées, aujourd'hui, ne varietur,--(sic),--textuelles, enfin, sur les feuilles de mon cylindre, puisque son prodigieux perfectionnement permet de recueillir, dès à présent, les ondes sonores à distance!... Et ces paroles y seraient enregistrées avec le ton, le timbre, l'accent du débit et même les vices de prononciation de leurs énonciateurs.
V de L-A
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
No fair, I made mine up. Your turn now.
sdkee 2 years ago
I really need to get sleep before writing my condescension poetry:
Up with the world where better men make pleasant our lives so we may worry of boredom, and not the starvation of old.
Let us rejoice that our lips have strength to curse their name, when without them we would surely starve.
Without them our tedious idleness would find its true purpose. We'll find ourselves rid of their cursed specter yet, if we keep trying.
O happy day, no more boredom!
...only hunger
sdkee 2 years ago
Comment removed
sdkee 2 years ago
Comment removed
sdkee 2 years ago
"Don't we have half the fools on our side? And ain't that a big enough majority in any town?"
Samuel Clemens
rhysfawr4 2 years ago
"Down with a world in which the guarantee that we will not die of starvation has been purchased with the guarantee that we will die of boredom"
RV
mopsius 2 years ago
Comment removed
sdkee 2 years ago
Laugh all you want, they brought the whole fucking machine to a standstill....
mopsius 2 years ago
"...Jorn began to receive international recognition and legitimation for his art works, the only one among the Situationists. The SI members foresaw that, the mechanisms of the society of the spectacle that transforms artistic creators in "lookouts of the spectacularization of culture", could have created serious and unnecessary problems t...and that Jorn's position could have been exploited to depict the SI stance for the destruction of the society of the spectacle as hypocritical.
wiki
mopsius 2 years ago
At the following conference of the Central Council of the SI, in April 1961, Jorn therefore presents a quit letter, in which confirms his total agreement with the SI. This was just an "official" resignation, and he just switched to an undercover participation, under the alias George Keller.
ibid
mopsius 2 years ago
Art historians mystified these events presenting them as the split of the head of the "artistic wing" of the SI, supposedly in conflict with the "political wing" presumed to be headed by Debord. The authors of such mystification didn't even notice the suspect similarities between the resigning Jorn and the "new member" Keller
ibid
mopsius 2 years ago
"Our ministers and all politicians [were] disturbed, not without reason, at having to read our writings in order to contemplate themselves with realism at last..."
G.S [notbord(dot)org]
mopsius 2 years ago
Confucius say: No way in, no way out.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Who cares, with the shit you got I'll get high on your exhale.
sdkee 2 years ago
Break out the the fucking Shinola, folks, here we go:
Mammy,
Mammy,
The sun shines east, the sun shines west,
I know where the sun shines best--
Mammy,
My little mammy,
My heartstrings are tangled around Alabammy.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Wow, can I take a toke of that bud?
sdkee 2 years ago
"Sing for your supper"--HAHAHAHAHA.
These fuckers are really rich.
mopsius 2 years ago
"You must eat my mullet, you must eat my mullett--it's a free market capitalist kind of a mullet! !", HAHAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago
Apparently our little creature is condemning himself or herself to starve to death, HAHAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago
Ot is it "itself", HAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
You obviously are a moron.
create your own reality if you will. just realize that I will not help you to eat in it.
sdkee 2 years ago
Notice the slight change in tone, dilbertgeg. Way over its head, whatever it is.
mopsius 2 years ago
Very seldom is Eco substandard, but L'isola del giorno prima is a piece of shit from beginning to end--almost unreadable.
mopsius 2 years ago
One supposes he fell for all the fluff and ego got the best of him.
mopsius 2 years ago
Argumenta ad mopsium--hilarious.
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
mopsius 2 years ago
Hey, Fleetwood--there's an idea--check out "heartland" and rewrite it as Beckett.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
So you have no skills except that of demanding?
sdkee 2 years ago
Morons are fucking morons and not worth talking to.
mopsius 2 years ago
Comment removed
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Where does your food come from?
Do you know?
sdkee 2 years ago
"Free market capitalists are the largest actual producers"
sdkee
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Where does the *internet* come from?
Can you describe it to me?
Could you recreate the technology of the internet out of your heads?
sdkee 2 years ago
La séparation fait elle-même partie de lunité du monde, de la praxis sociale globale qui sest scindée en réalité et en image. La pratique sociale, devant laquelle se pose le spectacle autonome, est aussi la totalité réelle qui contient le spectacle....
GD
mopsius 2 years ago
Mais la scission dans cette totalité la mutile au point de faire apparaître le spectacle comme son but. Le langage du spectacle est constitué par des signes de la production régnante, qui sont en même temps la finalité dernière de cette production....
ibid.
mopsius 2 years ago
By the way, I get your point on the artificial distinction between hypercap and finance capitalism and corporatism and just plain old capitalism.
In the longer view of history extending beyond 2008 or 2000 or 1992 or 1980, or the abandonment of Bretton Woods in 72, or World War 2, or
Hypercapitalism presents nice paradigm, however, because it contains within it the seeds of people's hopes for reform.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
There's more than an echo of DeBord in Du Levande--did he too have to stay drunk just to live and think in regard to what he saw around him as the "container"?
But he wielded a razor....
mopsius 2 years ago
Every so often a really BAD film is worth watching and analyzing closely--one of them is the purely mythological "Heartland", a prize-winning film from 1979.
It is exactly the mythology and spectacle Debord was talking about--a Disney monetarist fantasy from beginning to end.
If you analyze it carefully from the economic point of view, you immediately realize that the fuckers portrayed are close to being too fucking stupid to live.
mopsius 2 years ago
This is the kind of stupidity and greed at a low level that only a fucking kulak is capable of.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
What are you actually skilled to do, aside from whine about what things other should create for you?
sdkee 2 years ago
Mopsius, I was away causing trouble, but I'm back thanks to FF saved session.
On Terrorism and the State. Perfect. The founders of that Spectacle in USA wrote offhand of plans in advance, rather openly. Then claimed it's absurd and treasonous to suggest that.
I can't find Heartland on TPB, only REO Speedwagon - Live In The Heartland. That is probably a suitable soundtrack to the movie.
~ too fucking stupid to live.
I don't like to think those Leninist thots, but sometimes I do anyhow.
dilbertgeg 1 year ago
I dont totally get situationism (?) but I get the gist of it.
Especially on TV and during US elections.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
Debord was a brilliant mind--he nailed the whole system in a nutshell in ways no one had ever down before.
The symbolic order is controlling "time".
And that is exactly how it will fall.
mopsius 2 years ago
No surmullet or molet or mulet or goatfish either.
Goddamned interesting--it is always much harder to arrive at what is not there than at what is.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Are you still here? I had gone off to another topic before bed and I catch you making noises here.
Bed awaits, but your stupidity is too tempting....
sdkee 2 years ago
There you go, Fleetwood, carp will have to do:
Here is a purr of fortune's, sir, or of fortune's
cat,—but not a musk-cat,—that has fallen into the unclean fishpond of her displeasure, and, as he says, is muddied withal: pray you, sir, use the carp as you may; for he looks like a poor, decayed,ingenious, foolish, rascally knave. I do pity his distress in my similes of comfort and leave him to your lordship....
WS
Pearl River style, but do it up quick, they begin to stink from the head....
mopsius 2 years ago
Shide--珠江--ding hao.
mopsius 2 years ago
"A few days after he reached Capreae and was by himself, a fisherman appeared unexpectedly and offered him a huge mullet;whereupon in his alarm that the man had clambered up to him from the back of the island over rough and pathless rocks, he had the poor fellow's face scrubbed with the fish...."
S.
mopsius 2 years ago
Grandis mullus, jeje.
mopsius 2 years ago
What, no fucking mullet in Shakespeare?
What a pack of fucking ignorant, vicious barbarians.
mopsius 2 years ago
Vanishing....
mopsius 2 years ago
Revise down--Featherweight-working on fleaweight....
mopsius 2 years ago
OK, We'll continue another time
Have a good night.
sdkee 2 years ago
Whoosh....
mopsius 2 years ago
Is one really supposed to grant that Edison's Eve is of the class of L'Eve future?
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Edison pretty much an asshole as far as the free market was concerned. He spent most of his life trying to get the government to prevent competitors with (government) guns. The reason Hollywood is, well, in Hollywood is because of the infant movie industry fleeing Edison's jurisdiction.
Edison != free market.
sdkee 2 years ago
"Free market capitalists are the largest actual producers"
Same old mytholgoy.
Producers of WHAT?
You really are a lightweight, sdkee.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
> Producers of WHAT?
Fine. I'll bite. What do you eat?
sdkee 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Is this hard to answer? I've got to sleep eventually!
sdkee 2 years ago
@ mospius
I'll try to focus as you obviously cannot:
What do you eat, and how do you think it got onto your table?
sdkee 2 years ago
The dog is dead.
Why don't you write a fucking history of what a great dog it was,sdkee, with all its ticks and fleas?
mopsius doesn't argue.
So whatever argument you think you are holding your own in is between you and you.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Very well. The fractional reserve banks commit fraud. Fraud can only take resources from actual producers. Free market capitalists are the largest actual producers.
The fractional reserve banks (and the politically connected companies they benefit) skim wealth off of the system by printing money. They gain and others lose, while producing nothing in return. Like a parasite.
Like a tick.
Do you understand now?
sdkee 2 years ago
The first Cosimo was an interesting fellow--spent much of his time talking with peasants, who were also interesting.
mopsius 2 years ago
The dead dog was a sucker for the flattery of its ticks and fleas.
It did not pay enough attention to its master, who fed it.
mopsius 2 years ago
Alan Greenspan was born in 1926? Does the ghost of Ayn Rand suck his toes?
mopsius 2 years ago
Does the word "tick" feed on the word "dog"?
They are both near zero sets and all the King's horses and all the King's men can't breathe life into either of them again.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
If you cannot read the allusion between ticks and dogs then I have no help for you.
sdkee 2 years ago
Neither the Industrial Capitalists nor the Finance Capitalsits are useful--both are decorative elements, though of a slightly different sort.
The more important aspect is that both are now by definition incompetent, and a matter of the system requiring them to be so.
mopsius 2 years ago
as a matter
mopsius 2 years ago
Baseball is a game of inches.
mopsius 2 years ago
The Right Wing has to be disconnected from life support.
They are too expensive.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
... as has the left wing. We await the return of wisdom.
The world cannot survive even one of our current contradictions.
The socialists think they can consume goods while destroying those who produce them. The fascists think they can have freedom while forging chains to imprison it.
The socialists think they can force the economy without creating fascism and the fascists think they can force uniformity without socialism.
Either of these ideas is enough to destroy ourselves.
sdkee 2 years ago
@ sdkee,
and Wall St thinks it can make profits indefinitely based on credit and inflation, while destroying productive industry for it's pensions and share value.
Fascism and Socialism are not happening. Globalization of Finance Capitalism IS happening.
I think it's the growing meaninglessness and bastardization of the old labels that has led to increased talk of more nebulous terms, like the Illuminati and New World Order. We've run out of useful categories.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
@ dilbertgeg
Fascism *is* happening in it's original sense. Mussolini defined it: government/corporate partnership. Mussolini hoped the gov would be the master. Now the corps are.
But the power is still the gun in the hands of the state.
sdkee 2 years ago
No one needs or wants sdkee's "help".
mopsius 2 years ago
The dog is dead.
Its ticks will be dead soon enough as well.
mopsius 2 years ago
Or at least no one wants or needs sdkee's "help" in the fables he retails of dogs and ticks.
Got money, sdkee?
Or are you looking for something for nothing, like all your kind?
You are an intellectual lightweight.
Intellectual lightweights have their place, but not in the heavyweight class.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
I'd so love to dive deeper into symbolism with you, but we were arguing about the nature of capitalism before you went deep diving, care to return to the surface?
sdkee 2 years ago
@ mopsius
> No one needs or wants sdkee's "help"
Ah, the the agrument by...
I forget, which form of logic does this follow?
Or do you mean to attempt to discard one who can actually argue with you, like an intellectual weakling would?
sdkee 2 years ago
@ sdkee,
WSWS has pointed out that we already have what anti-Marxists said was unworkable, wrong, and could never be done effectively ---
a global micro-managed chain of supply, manufacturing, and distribution, as well as micromanaged finance.
However, it's all privately held by a relatively tiny global capitalist "Politburo" crying "free markets" and demanding "more subsidies".
Barnett of the Pentagon described their goals as Marx on Steroids (but replacing Marxian values with Walmart).
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
Guillaume is close to the vanishing point.
With him vanishes the Anglo-American enterprise.
Finance Capitalism, on the other hand, which is the executioner of Industrial Capitalism, is a purely symbolic order with its own instantaneous self-destruct.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
"Finance capitalism" (in the fractional reserve sense) is to "Industrial Capitalism" as ticks are do dogs. At best you can live with it. At worst you of a horrible disease.
sdkee 2 years ago
@ dilbertgeg
> WSWS has pointed out...
You missed the point of the criticism. The point is that there is not a single person/group running the thing, nor is there likely to be anytime in the future. It is too complex. Too much info to process into a point.
What you *do* have right is that a small (useless) group has tricked the much larger (useful) group into working for freshly printed paper. They are a parasite. They print money and spend it as if they had produced real value.
sdkee 2 years ago
Paper Money DOES have value. The value of goods produced GNP.
Which is fast approaching nil.
It's more profitable to borrow and speculate on secuiritized mortgages and short positions than actually make stuff.
And that does seem to be the essence of capitalism, go where the most profit is, and get the govt and meddling public out of the way.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
"IIt's more profitable to borrow and speculate on secuiritized mortgages and short positions than actually make stuff."
You got it, dibertgeg.
That is Finance Capitalism as the executioner.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ dilbertgeg
> Paper Money DOES have value.
It has value yet. The market will fix this.
> And that does seem to be the essence of capitalism, ... out of the way.
You have not learned the lesson. The only growing city in the US is DC. When a society is in decay from overedose of government, go where the government is to make money.
The beast rots from head to guts.
What will you do when your job is useless? When people like me have no reason to tell you how the world works?
sdkee 2 years ago
The comment on "Heartland" was directed at dilbertgeg.
mopsius 2 years ago
@ mopsius
Nevertheless, I ask the same.
Do you have any actual skills. If you and I were marooned on an island, would I be happy that you were here or wish you dead?
Would you create *with* me, or would you demand I create *for* you?
sdkee 2 years ago
Are you aware that you gave a definition of fascism that is completely false? Fascism is a statist system of authoritarian rule that allows the symbolism of private ownership over the means of production; however, in reality there is little that distinguishes it from the other Marxist/socialist governments. Also, you wrongly defined corporatism. Corporatist systems typically utilize strong state intervention to direct policies and to prevent conflict between the corporations (interest groups)
AllroyforPrez 2 years ago
lol fleetwood, i used to respect you but...
You are such an economic lightweight, and your arguments against capitalism are illogical and childish.
TheCapitalistdog 2 years ago
If you do not look at the complete picture and understand why America has a society who has the highest standard of living in the world, you risk being riduculous.
jlsmijan 2 years ago
Bachmann, Brownback, Grassley, Baucus, Blanche Lincoln, and other hard-core free-market fiscal conservatives
They and their families collect HUGE welfere handouts of 1/4 M, some over 3/4M
Bachmann has inner Marxist that is perfectly at ease with profiting from taxpayer largesse.
If such farms were forced to compete in the global free market, they would collapse.
This is more like Feudalism!!
This is REAL secret meaning of "family values".
michelle bachman welfare queen
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
"Spectacle is a technical term, meant to connote often violent and oppressive social control that masquerades as a celebration of betterment by recycling pseudo-reforms, false-desires, and selective sightings of progressive evolution, never devolution..."
[Boje]
mopsius 2 years ago
You speak the truth, but no one likes the truth.
bagg10ns 2 years ago
@romanleo77 well put
abuited234 2 years ago
Regulation, govt interference is the problem. The only way to turn this around is to allow us to be free of the govt chains put on us by taxation. When the govt has no money to support their special interests and "contributors" businesses like AIG and Citi would fail. The CEOs of those companies would not get rewarded for failure since they wouldn't be bailed out. The Fed should be abolished, let the markets and we the people dictate the terms on which we should do business.
romanleo77 2 years ago
The present US government is owned locked, stock, and barrel by the major coorporations.
You really should do some research on Finance Capitalism, romanleo77.
mopsius 2 years ago 2
These are just bad men who are using these corporations. The corporations are being raped and pillaged just as much. It is the men behind these corporations and the revolving door between corporate heads and government posts that is the problem. Don't make it sound sexier than it is.
corduroyful 2 years ago
That's the really nice thing about Finance Capitalism--the Finance Capitalists buy the government and the law and the regulators and the politicians and the rest and fuck everyone systematically.
Sweet dreams.
mopsius 2 years ago
No, no--perish the thought, corduroyful--these are not "bad men", as you call them, these are free market Capitalists in their most advanced evolutionary state.
mopsius 2 years ago
The most consistent and reliable product of Capitalism over time is--Communism.
EAC
mopsius 2 years ago
Use whatever terms and definition you prefer, but capitalism is not evil by definition and neither is the government.However, as @corduroyful stated, the link between govt and powerful corporations is leading to abuse of the system. The focus should be on exposing the truth about the controlling interests behind the scenes, not simply wanting to do away with capitalism and increasing govt regulation.How can we trust the govt when they hand out money to those who elect them and donate $ to them?
romanleo77 2 years ago
"Evil"?
Try obsolete.
Actually, it is quite simple: one little Dutch boy and ten fingers are simply not enough for the holes in the dike.
Put down your Marvel Comics, for a spell, and do the math, romanleo.
mopsius 2 years ago
Council on Foreign Relations list of members on wikipedia, Goldman, Citi, Kbr, AArp, Pfizer, Glaxo, George Bush, Clintons, Soros, McCain,Allbright, half of the people in congress. Our government is nothing but a prostitution ring. All our presidents have been puppits these last few decades sans Kennedy and Reagan. We gotta get this unsavory bunch out of our buildings. They have turned our capital into a house of ill repute.
corduroyful 2 years ago
Kennedy and Reagan weren't puppets?
mopsius 2 years ago
I don't think this is capitalism. It is our constitution not addressing special interests legislation, McCain Feingold, and George Soros via the Council on Foreign Relations. You are wrong about this being capitalism. This is government subsidized failure and allocation of tax dollars to heads of companies and then back to the dirty politicians. It is fascism.
corduroyful 2 years ago
Capitalism is a process not a state.
The present stage is called Finance Capitalism, and it is well known historically.
It is the last monopolistic and imperialist stage before final collapse.
Lenin has a workable if simple Marxist mechanical model.
Other models are possible--a semeiological one, for example, or a metaeconomic one--but they all come to the same thing as far as the endgame is concerned.
mopsius 2 years ago
Capitalism is allowing supply and demand forces to work directly. What we have now is quite the opposite with government subsidizing bab behavior including bailing out banks that should have gone under. PERIOD END OF STORY.
corduroyful 2 years ago
Whatever you say, corduroyful.
Supply and demand, eh, and the invisible hand, right?
By the way, where can one buy one of those invisible hands and how much does it cost?
mopsius 2 years ago
Mopsius,
Didn't you know the Invisible Hand of GOD is what runs the Market? Dammit.
That's why tinkering, regulating, socializing is wrong. It's like asking Satan to write your grocery list.
Corduroy,
I once thought there was maybe *some* truth to that, but it seems that a pure "free trade" era never existed in America when Govts of Capitalists and former Feudalists did not bend the hidden hand to create special privileges for the cool crowd. Or very brief time til capitalists changed it.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
"In the Invisible Hand We Trust", jeje.
This is public knowledge.
mopsius 2 years ago
My dream "system"......one that allows the individual to make the choices! Very, very limited government with defined responsibilites...no more! I trust the individual far more than I trust government. Look at the mess they've made of this country! POWER and FREEDOM to the people!
astarr57 2 years ago
The "individual"--what is that, astarr57?
mopsius 2 years ago
hi don't understand all this ? ? ? but! pls
happy sweet new year! filled wit love peace happiness joy caring 2 u n ur dear family! all dear friends!
HA P P Y!
N E W !
Y E A R!
2010!!!
CARING THOUGHTS!
BEST WISHES!
GOD BLESS!
LUVSHUGS!XXX
kingpreciousbaby 2 years ago
First, National Socialism was not Fascist, though it adopted some of the external forms.
In fact, National Socialism was not even "national" except in the ancient Latin reference of "natio".
More important the "Socialism" in National Socialism was designed mainly to win over
supporters and to defuse the growing political power of the German Communists and Socialists.
Go do some fucking real study,. Watnawootie, before parroting propaganda.
mopsius 2 years ago
Now go back to your fucking Disney cartoons.
mopsius 2 years ago
Third, Capitalism is a process not a state, and the present state of US Capitalism is Finance Capitalism, which happens to be both Fascist and Corporatist.
mopsius 2 years ago
Second, Capitalism has killed hundreds of millions of people, directly and indirectly over several centuries, and is still up to its murderous and genocidal ways. That kind of homicide the Capitalists and their dupes, like you, never count.
mopsius 2 years ago
First, you are the one "equating", not Fleetwood, Watnawootie. Attaching three predicates to a state is not "equating" them.
mopsius 2 years ago
You make some interesting points however, you failed to speak to one thing. That is, that the very government that you'd have regulate everything is in bed with the people that make up the problem. 535 members of congress were front and center of this financial crisis. Without their complicity, pirates of capitalism would have to earn their money like everyone else.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
Exactly, ironhorsetamer--who guards the guards?
mopsius 2 years ago
I would argue that by allowing our government to get to its present size, we have inadvertently given them the power that they cannot resist abusing. The best way to prevent hyper-capitalism in my opinion is rule of law, and free and open markets. That means players are free to fail, free to lose money, and all activities are conducted without governmental protection, and in the light of day.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
Ah, another "free market" utopian?
But you fall into the same flaw you rightly brought up.
Capitalists always buy any state that is buyable.
Why wouldn't they?
And when they buy the sate they buy its "law", which is especially easily done in the US, where law itself is designed to be strictly business.
If you are a Paulist or a Rothbardian or an Austrian, your own presuppositions about human motivation nullify your utopianism in practice.
mopsius 2 years ago
Merely by the way, ironhorsetamer, there is no such thing as "free market" nor as a "completely controlled economy."
mopsius 2 years ago
So the fact that pure capitalism is not possible, we should reject it entirely and embrace socialism? We all see the track record for that over the previous century.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
What track record is that? And what is the track record of what you call "free markets" and "capitalism" ironhorsetamer?
Merely by the way, "markets" and the "free market" are two different things.
Even Lenin found markets useful.
mopsius 2 years ago
I'm sure you are familiar with the body count. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and the other socialists. You are probably equally familiar with all of the Americans swimming to Cuba to enjoy the good life of socialism. Oh wait, I seem to have that backwards... Romanleo77 has it right. Take government out of the financial redistribution biz so that they can focus on rule of law. We as citizens need to be economically literate and stop asking our government to insert themselves into our day-to-day lives.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
Actually not--at least not with the blatantly invented figures the Right has come up with without a mention of the hundreds of millions killed by Capitalism over two centuries.
mopsius 2 years ago
Wow, a holocaust denier. Figures.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
The nonsensical figures the Right has come up with in relation to Mao and Stalin are pure invention.
mopsius 2 years ago
Nazi = National Socialist. Words mean things. Have you been to China? Soviet Union? I'm guessing not. You should talk to the children and grandchildren of the survivors before you disrespect the dead. Something you should consider, early supporters are often early victims of their own movement. Look up Night of the Long Knives.
ironhorsetamer 2 years ago
Ironhorsetamer-this was dealt with below. The NAZI's were neither Nationalist or Socialist.
They were racialist Corporate Captialists.
Have a nice day.
mopsius 2 years ago
The only "nationalism" in National Socialism was the sense of the Latin "natio", an ethnic or racial grouping.
The only "socialism" in National Socialism was the name, which was designed to blunt the meaning of "Socialism" as used by the many German Communists and Socialists, the NAZI's fierce opponents and enemies.
mopsius 2 years ago
"Words mean things"
irontorsetamer
Must listen to Limbaugh a lot.
mopsius 2 years ago
Is "nothing" a word, ironhorstamer?
mopsius 2 years ago
@ ironhorse,
re: Night of the Long Knives
I believe it's true that the Brownshirts at the Beer Hall Putsch who made Army spy Hitler their leader, believed in "redistribution of wealth", in a very limited, selfish sense.
It's true that Himmler and Hitler did not approve of any actual socialization of Aristocrats' wealth (except "racial enemies"), nor power-sharing, so that arm of the movement was violently subdued by the SS Intelligence wing, equiv of our CIA.
Palin worshippers, take heed.
dilbertgeg 2 years ago
You must be a Neo-Con or a Born Again, ironhoretamer--that group includes the most egregious and fantastical liars, perjuers, and slanderers.
mopsius 2 years ago
perjurers
mopsius 2 years ago
Incidentally, ironhorsetamer, Hitler and Mussolini, were both Corporatist and Capitalist.
As was Franco.
mopsius 2 years ago
I know, I know. Amerikkka sucks, Exxon suxx, Wal-Mart reeks, babies should be dead and not heard, Viva Acorn, Che & SIEU. On that cheerful note - HAPPY NEW YEAR HOAX & CHANGELINGS
MizMackie 2 years ago