How exactly does a bill w/o the medicare buy in or the public options prevent people from going bankrupt? When it has a mandate for insurance? Does it have a "wave a magic wand and come up with an extra $1000 a month to pay for insurance" clause in it?
Unbelievable. I'm the one that's confused?? Socialists are Leftwing. Fascists are Right -Wing. Socialists are ANTI-Corporate. Fascists believe in the UNITY of the State with Corporate Interests. At the VERY least you have to find admit that Socialists hate corporations and Right-Wingers don't. Sheesh...
Because their ideology is all about a combo of Corporate power and State power. The only point of debate in their camp is who is on top. As for Obama, he staffed his administartion with pro-corporate goons while he talks the big talk, behind closed doors he gives them what they need.
Sorry, it's just not as clear as left and right. I'm not talking about Obama either. Elements of facsism and socialism can exist in the same government. What was Nazi Germany?
It certainly was not Fascists. And FDR did a lot less than some conservatives imagine. However, there were some Socialists that helped to implement his plans, and I believe most right-wingers would label the New Deal as Socialist.
You may want to research FDR's National Recovery Administration. As Anne O'Hare of the NY Times put it in May, 1933; "The Roosevelt administration envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy.
Sorry, this (quote) is just political commentary. I don't take a comparison of Mussolini's Italy with the United States of America under Roosevelt seriously. The Marshall plan was a big achievment of central planning for example, and central planning existed in both Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, that means there's no difference between Stalin and Secretary of State Marshall? Common.
That is because your knowledge of the matter is seriously lacking.
Before the start of WWII, Hitler, and Mussolini each wrote of the similarities between their approaches and that of FDR. The Brain Trust was clearly enthralled with the Italian model. A report issued by the National Recovery Administration stated, The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America.
I already mentioned central planning for that reason. But similarities (or even the existence of totalitarian systems on both sides) doesn't mean they're the same thing. OF COURSE Hitler tried to make an argument. A lot of what gov'ts do is designed to help people - and so they implement mixed systems. In the US we have USPS, libraries, medicare, fire and police protection for the public, emergency services. etc...that doesn't make us a Socialist country.
We are not discussing central planning. We are discussing your statement that socialism is left-wing and fascism is right-wing. There is nothing right wing about fascism. It is a leftist ideology that sprang from the same socialist well as Marxism and the New Deal. This was understood at the time. Do yourself a favor, read some Mussolini, take a look at the National Socialist (NAZI) platform and tell me what was "right-wing" about it.
It's true that there is ambiguity as to where Fascism exists on the political spectrum. However, Fascism rejects class conflict (centerpiece of Marxism), Marxist theories (Dictatorship of the Proletariat, alienation, class conflict) and so one cannot be BOTH a Marxist and a Fascist. Socialists also rely on class conflict. Yes, Fascism is sometimes critical of capitalism, but that doesn't make them leftists.
The argument is academic anyway because Obama is a moderate in practice.
This guy is a total idiot. He throws"facts" around that come out of his ass
biggerturtle 2 years ago
Sounds about right.
TheMadOrc 1 year ago
respect goes to redarrowguy for using the word "opinion" in the description of this video.
brutalbaron 2 years ago
How exactly does a bill w/o the medicare buy in or the public options prevent people from going bankrupt? When it has a mandate for insurance? Does it have a "wave a magic wand and come up with an extra $1000 a month to pay for insurance" clause in it?
ojisama8 2 years ago
Socialist fascists, like Obama, hate people like Lieberman
joebidensanass 2 years ago
Obama must be really confused being a Socialist Fascist and all. At least he's not an Atheistic Creationist.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
I think you might be confused. Are you trying to imply Socialism and Fascism are inherently opposite? That's not true.
jjfromnh 2 years ago
Unbelievable. I'm the one that's confused?? Socialists are Leftwing. Fascists are Right -Wing. Socialists are ANTI-Corporate. Fascists believe in the UNITY of the State with Corporate Interests. At the VERY least you have to find admit that Socialists hate corporations and Right-Wingers don't. Sheesh...
Zakdayak 2 years ago
It's not necessarily a bad thing to simplify these ideas, but you aren't portraying them accurately. Why can't a facsist be "anti-corporate"?
jjfromnh 2 years ago
Because their ideology is all about a combo of Corporate power and State power. The only point of debate in their camp is who is on top. As for Obama, he staffed his administartion with pro-corporate goons while he talks the big talk, behind closed doors he gives them what they need.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
Sorry, it's just not as clear as left and right. I'm not talking about Obama either. Elements of facsism and socialism can exist in the same government. What was Nazi Germany?
jjfromnh 2 years ago
Look up the night of a thousand knives.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
So to your mind what was FDR's Brain Trust made up of fascists or socialists?
nnjhansen 2 years ago
It certainly was not Fascists. And FDR did a lot less than some conservatives imagine. However, there were some Socialists that helped to implement his plans, and I believe most right-wingers would label the New Deal as Socialist.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
You may want to research FDR's National Recovery Administration. As Anne O'Hare of the NY Times put it in May, 1933; "The Roosevelt administration envisages a federation of industry, labor and government after the fashion of the corporative State as it exists in Italy.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
Sorry, this (quote) is just political commentary. I don't take a comparison of Mussolini's Italy with the United States of America under Roosevelt seriously. The Marshall plan was a big achievment of central planning for example, and central planning existed in both Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia, that means there's no difference between Stalin and Secretary of State Marshall? Common.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
That is because your knowledge of the matter is seriously lacking.
Before the start of WWII, Hitler, and Mussolini each wrote of the similarities between their approaches and that of FDR. The Brain Trust was clearly enthralled with the Italian model. A report issued by the National Recovery Administration stated, The Fascist Principles are very similar to those we have been evolving here in America.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
I already mentioned central planning for that reason. But similarities (or even the existence of totalitarian systems on both sides) doesn't mean they're the same thing. OF COURSE Hitler tried to make an argument. A lot of what gov'ts do is designed to help people - and so they implement mixed systems. In the US we have USPS, libraries, medicare, fire and police protection for the public, emergency services. etc...that doesn't make us a Socialist country.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
We are not discussing central planning. We are discussing your statement that socialism is left-wing and fascism is right-wing. There is nothing right wing about fascism. It is a leftist ideology that sprang from the same socialist well as Marxism and the New Deal. This was understood at the time. Do yourself a favor, read some Mussolini, take a look at the National Socialist (NAZI) platform and tell me what was "right-wing" about it.
nnjhansen 2 years ago
It's true that there is ambiguity as to where Fascism exists on the political spectrum. However, Fascism rejects class conflict (centerpiece of Marxism), Marxist theories (Dictatorship of the Proletariat, alienation, class conflict) and so one cannot be BOTH a Marxist and a Fascist. Socialists also rely on class conflict. Yes, Fascism is sometimes critical of capitalism, but that doesn't make them leftists.
The argument is academic anyway because Obama is a moderate in practice.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
I discussed central p[lanning because it's one of the similarities between Fascism and Socialism. I repeat:
Obama is a moderate in practice. He's only left of center in his speeches.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
Joe Lieberman is a dead man walking politically speaking. He has sunk to a new low and will be punished severely.
mindoermatta 2 years ago 7
they will not get any healthcare at all, so I guess in a way you are right! No care what-so-ever because they are not worth saving.
Sheeple101 2 years ago