Hawaii Official Subpoenaed 4 noShow Obama Birth Certificate

[vpertoso]

Go Orly this CC2009 deligate is behind you!

[HoneySiegalSurvivor]

@vpertoso Did Orly have the September 14th hearing in Hawaii?

OBAMA IS A CROOKED ATTORNEY.

Whether or not he was born in Hawaii is germaine to the fraud of both Obamas and DHS Janet with Bank One against me. See the SEC docs. Insilco global FRAUDULENT bankrupcy of my co. of Zenadev. OCD mastermind behind global debt with Gold Creek 911.

Sign my petition to Indict Obama.Crooked attorneys made records of me dead. Obama linked to this fraud linked to 911 funding.

Honey R Siegal (imatruthsayer)

[KaliTheAlleyCat]

Birthers are a never ending source of entertainment

[yahshuah29]

Oh I just noticed that this is your personal page so I am obliged to follow your rules my apologies!

[amy2x]

@yahshuah29 Inappropriate to use "Jesus" as a cuss word and also "F word" is a very filthy word to use.

[thesageofohio]

atleast birthers give you a good laugh here on YouTube.

and these wierdos actually think that Hawaii was giving birth certificates to anyone that asked for one and have no proof of it.

what a bunch of maroons.

[RonaldBlair]

Obama's CRIMES are NOW FUDDY's CRIMES- because she helped him hide them- Listen Loretta come clean - You can't keep living this LIE your CRIMES are party loyalty- A LIE is a LIE and FRAUD is FRAUD- Where is HONESTY in America?

[nobody19133]

If Obama has released both the long and short forms, then on what form does his feet prints appear? Lets see his name is Barack Hussein Obama, Harrison J. Bounell or is it Barry Fucking Soetoro... YOU tell me! He has been sent here to destroy America! And He is a ILLEGAL ALIEN USURPER!!!!

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@nobody19133

Footprints are usually on hospital issued souvenir birth certificates. Hospitals do not issued certified birth certificates. That is a State level function.

If Obama was sent here to destroy America, why is he taking so long?

I would've declared martial law my first day in office and nuked every city.

[tgear77]

@nobody19133 LOL! The footprints of infants are not required on birth certificates. Their only value for identification is while the infant is in the maternity ward. Only an idiot would think that they must be part of a birth certificate for it to be legal. Way to go, moron.

[joebuddyable]

I have not been to all of the presidential Birth Museums but the ones I've been to have proof of Natural Citizenship on display. That's why It's called a "Natural Birth Museum" it's a Museum of the Presidents Place Of Birth.

[tgear77]

@joebuddyable Ronald Reagan was born in Illinois and his Presidential Library is in Simi Valley, CA. They do not have a BC in his library. They had to create a facsimile of what his BC might have looked like for the library. So you are wrong.

[borgsleeper]

He should be IMPEACHED and tried for treason for what he has done to this country. If there was nothing to hide he wouldn't be hiding it. I bet we could see any other President's birth certificate without a court order. This is just unreal that it could happen in America! Money talks

[amy2x]

@borgsleeper Governments have been lying to us for many decades. The wars we thought were justified have been carefully orchestrated to enrich Parasites and to spread the NWO socialist agenda..

[lickdacat2]

@borgsleeper My congressman said that congressional leadership is blocking the issue from even being discussed.

Senator Marco Rubio's office stated that the media is pressuring senators to be silent. The media is controlled by the Rothschild Mafia, they are needed for re-election and can easily destroy a politician.

Research any treasonous staged event from 9-11 to illegal wars, the trail always leads to Rothschild who hijacked the government after they murdered JFK.

[borgsleeper]

He should be IMPEACHED and tried for treason for what he has done to this country. If there was nothing to hide he wouldn't be hiding it. I bet we could see any other President's birth certificate without a court order. This is just unreal that it could happen in America! Money talks

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@borgsleeper

What are you talking about?

Obama already showed TWO birth certificates. Name ONE other President that has done that.

[kicnbac]

@arrrogantlyignorant And expert after expert has said the ones Obama released are frauds.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@kicnbac

You cannot determine that Obama's birth certificate is a forgery/fraud by looking at a digital image of it.

A real expert would say exactly that.

Only the ACTUAL CERTIFIED PAPER document matters, which the State of Hawaii has already confirmed is authentic.

The thing these "experts" (that you referenced) don't seem to understand is that the pdf is not a legal document.

[allan3141]

@arrrogantlyignorant God you are so thick!

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@allan3141

How so?

[allan3141]

@arrrogantlyignorant And you have a short memory too. I already told you, and that, at length.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@allan3141

You didn't tell me anything. Plus, we've already determined that you're a pathological liar.

[allan3141]

@arrrogantlyignorant "You didn't tell me anything" I most certainly did. The fact that you cannot remember is even more evidence that your brain is not functioning properly.

"Plus, we've already determined that you’re a pathological liar." Interesting as you bizarrely claim not to have spoke to me before! Facepalm.

[allan3141]

@kicnbac arrrogantlyignorant does't care! I have discussed it with him before at tedious length. He says that even if the pdf is confirmed to be a forgery it means nothing! The guy is a complete ignoramus. You are wasting your time with him.

[SEEPRICE]

@kicnbac

are these the same experts who have NOT shown their credentials to prove the expertise in the field that they claim? wow. really? you take the word of a self proclaimed expert who has not proven his own credentials, as he says that someone ELSES credentials are forgeries... Hypocrisy at its finest

[tgear77]

@kicnbac Yes, and every single one of them has never even examined his BC. They have looked at images of it online. That would be thrown out of any court in the land. Obama has released two legal BCs verified by the State of Hawaii. You Birther idiots have nothing.

[allan3141]

@arrrogantlyignorant neither has Obama! The first thing that was shown was a Certification of Life Birth, not a Birth Certificate. The only thing after that, that you have seen, is a pdf file purporting to be a true and like copy of an actual Birth Certificate on record. But there are good reasons be believe that that pdf is a forgery! But you are right no president has released a pdf copy of a BC that a significant proportion of the people of the USA think is a forgery and for good reasons.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@allan3141

"The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii.

The U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

(Janice Okubo - Hawaii Dept of Health)

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@allan3141

You cannot determine that the birth certificate is a forgery by looking at a digital image of it.

The Hawaii Dept of Health does not issue pdf files. They issue ACTUAL CERTIFIED PAPER birth certificates. They have confirmed the authenticity of the document they issued. Try to stay attached to reality.

[allan3141]

@arrrogantlyignorant it is you that is, again, stating obvious things while evading the actual point entirely! If they had an actual Long Form Birth Certificate it would be a most peculiar course of action (euphemistic talk for: YOU WOULD NOT DO IT) to fabricate a pdf file of it. And yet amazingly there are very good reasons to think that is in fact what has been done in this case! But you do not care if the pdf is in fact a forgery, do you? You think that is irrelevant don't you?

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

when did you demand to see the BCs of the other presidents? because I heard a rumor that Pres George H W Bush was born in mexico. I demand to see his BC to know for certain that without a doubt his executive powers where not illegal thus making them null and void

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "when did you demand to see the BCs of the other presidents?" When did I demand to see this president's BC?

"I heard a rumor that Pres George H W Bush was born in mexico"

IF there is serious doubt then it should have/should be investigated.

I am sure you are trying to make a point here, just cannot see what it is yet.

I

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

sure you see the point. I am sure you also see the hypocrisy in your views on one president as opposed to the other 43

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

It "looks" like a forgery? really? at what point in your life did you become an amatuer forencsic tech on forged documents?

or better yet, how can you tell a forgery from a real document online? a "REAL" typography/document expert needs the actual document before making such a generalized assumption. not these buttholes who have not even proven their own credentials. that is a joke and a real expert knows that.

its like me saying I can proove a car is fake by looking at a pic of it

[allan3141]

@SEE you are ignoring what is actually said to you. With regard to the other 43 presidents (the majority of which, of course, died before I was even born!) did they produce this pdf or another pdf? They are irrelevant!

And yes I do have experience in dealing with, and detecting, forged documents; it was part of my job for 11 years.

"How can you tell a forgery from a real doc online?" We are talking about if the pdf file is a forgery. Of course an assessment about that can be made!

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

no they arent irrelevant. that's rhetoric. If they did not prove their eligibility, like Obama (the ONLY pres to show both a long and short form) then they may not have been legal presidents, which could make every single law signed by said presidents unlawful under the constitution. NOW i say again. when have you demanded the BC of the presidents of modern time?

since you spent 11 years doing so. what did you do? what is your name and please show us all your credentials to prove it

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE previous presidents are irrelevant since your ‘logic’ would be that Clinton can't reasonably be asked about blowjobs in the White House unless Abraham Lincoln etc were! Or that Nixon could not be asked about any issue pertaining to Watergate unless all previous Presidents were! We are discussing this issue, that has arisen regarding this president. What matters is, is it true or not in this case.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

so in other words... because it is modern day, the past presidents are irrelevant. that is a crock of shit. like I already noted, EVERY order signed into law by a president that was ineligible would be an unlawful law. so no, asking about a blow job or nixon's issue at watergate are not the same. elligibility would make EVERYTHING invalid. so please try a little harder with your excuses as to why you ignore their citizen status.

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE again, what past presidents did or did not do has no baring on this particular issue! We are talking about this case. You are not even making an attempt to address the many and substantive issues raised in the affidavit of Vogt or the analysis of Zebest. Until till you do you are attempting nothing but deflection and producing illogical hot air. That will not make the issue go away. Try addressing the actual questions raised here.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

the question has been adresss time and time again. you see your problem is that you are ignoring and avoiding the side of the argument that shows any contradiction of the idea that you already have.

deflecting? no, I am showing your bias. I am showing that you are singling out one president for unknown reasons while you have not seen the BC of any other presidents. you claim his is probably a forgery when at the same time have never seen that of past presidents.

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "[I]gnoring and avoiding the [other] side of the argument" You have not made a single argument that even attempts to address a single point made in detail by, say, Vogt or Zebest, of which there are very many. A couple of their points are tenuous, or weak, in my estimation but not without any merit, but the rest certainly seem serious problems. We have covered the other presidents 'issue.' Read Vogt's affidavit and Zebest's analysis and try actually addressing one of the points made.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

"We are talking about if the pdf file is a forgery. Of course an assessment about that can be made!" you make the claim that the BC is a frogery, If it is a PDF or the actual does not matter since the claim is that the PDF is a scan of the original. If the PDF is a fake then so would the so called original. isnt that right? so an assessment can NOT be made simply because you say so. It is simply your biased opinion not fact.

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE actually; I make the claim that there are good grounds to believe that the pdf file, which purports to be a scan of an original document said to be inexistence, is a forgery. What you then go on to say makes no sense at all. You are doing anything but addressing the substantive questions now on the table about this pdf document. The majority of these questions are clearly detailed in the affidavit of Vogt and the analysis by Zebest, which are easily available to you on the internet.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

thats what I explained. If the PDF file is a forgery then so must be the original. which has been stated on the record by the officials who issue the BC that it is... wait for it... wait for it... REAL, AUTHENTIC, and WITNESSED.

again, with your 11 years of forgery experience.... please state and PROVE your credentials before making statments about another person's credentials being faked.

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE you have explained nothing. Try it, try actually addressing some of the issues actually raised.

"If the PDF file is a forgery then so must be the original." No! If the pdf is a forgery, and not even a scan, then the original presumably does not exist or contains problematic information.

"[H]as been stated on the record by the officials." Actually the statements have been very guarded. But again this would not address or resolve the actual questions on the table.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

there have been no guarded statements. by that statement alone you prove to us how biased your view is. fact is that he was born in HI. they claimed sarah Obama said he was born in Kenya with an editted recording. then the UNedited version came out showed they were lying. then said there was 2 kenyan BCs. another lie. a short form is not a legal BC. another lie. long form is the only legal BC a lie. he told Keyes on recording that he was not born in US. lie. give it up already

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE I never even mentioned Kenya! Neither does the word Kenya even appear in either the affidavit of Vogt or the analysis of Zebest. You don’t understand all the issues here. The pdf is claimed to be, with detailed and good reasons given, a forgery. Can you address those reasons or not? Or you are wasting my time. Have you even read the documents to which I referred you and bothered to confirm first-hand, by the studying the pdf directly from the White House Website, the issues they raise?

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

I never said you mentioned Kenya, I said "They" refering to Birthers in General (read the whole thing).

the point being made is that every single claim made by the birther movement has been false, yet you all continue to jump on the next Hoax.

lets say Taitz is allowed to see the original. then she will say she wants the paper carbon dated, then she will want the signature card of the dr, then she will want to etc etc etc.. the point is the birthers will NEVER be satified

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "carbon dated" Lol. Yet more strawmen! Yet more diversions.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

you want to talk about the pdf of a long form? ok lets do so

did you know that the pdf or original copy of the long for both do not matter? I'm gonna explain to you why. because the SHORT form is the only legal identification sent from HI in over a decade. same goes for most states. to name a few states that do not accept long forms to get a License, HI, S Dakota, MI, NJ and the list goes on. so why are we arguing about a pdf or scan or document that is not even legal document?

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "you [sic] want to talk about the pdf of a long form?" YES already.

"ok [sic] lets [sic] do so [sic]" Great let's see you finally attempt to address some of the actual question clearly posed about the pdf.

"did [sic] you know ....[It] do[es] not matter?" Lol. If the pdf issued by the White House is confirmed to be a forgery it does not matter!? Not only is this imbecilic, it, yet again, fails to address even one of the questions asked about the pdf! You are funny!

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

still waiting on that prove of you being a forgery expert... I notices you havent responded to THAT question

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "still [sic] waiting on that prove [sic] of you being a forgery expert... I notices [sic] you havent [sic] responded to THAT question [sic]" I do not need to! It is deflection. The questions are those raised by Zebest and Vogt (but there are others too!).

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141 you brought it up, then dont answer, you say you have 11 years experience then prove it. instead you go around the question and claim that I am deflecting. no this is exactly the point brother. you make a claim that with YOUR expertise, you see that his BC is a probable forgery. then Prove your expertise. I know how scanned documents work. now Prove YOUR expertise in this matter to make your claim. stop diverting the subject off of you. THEN we get to the direct subject at hand.

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "stop [sic] diverting the subject off of you." Lol. Facepalm.

The subject is the pdf. The majority of the issues with the pdf are clearly explained in the two documents I referred you to. Talking about me would be a waste of time as it is not the issue and would get us nowhere, and in fact you brought it up, not me. It was one of you diversionary tactics.

"THEN we get to the subject at hand," says it all really doesn't it?

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

"as far as the subject at hand" the subject at hand is actually NOT the PDF. wrong threat brother. the subject on this video is Orly Taitz attempting to gain access to the original copy of the long form in the HI Vault

[tgear77]

@SEEPRICE Look at him dance around, avoiding the answer. I think I was right. I think we have found a bouncer at a bar with delusions of grandeur. All those years of checking college kids for ID and he is now an expert at forged documents.

[SEEPRICE]

@tgear77

I like to make them dance. and he says I'm deflecting questions lmao. I love the birthers, they get me through my day

[tgear77]

@SEEPRICE They are so ignorant that you could almost feel sorry for them. But it is more fun to just laugh at their stupidity.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

I have been following this since before the 2008 election, from taitz to Rhodes, to polarik (who made a false claim at his expertise of research and computer forgeries) to Cooke to, Keyes to lakin etc etc etc. you claim to JUST recently start looking it up. I have seen read research and everything that shows him being born outside of HI is false.

lastly. dont you think that if he was to fake a BC, they would just get a circa 1960 typwritter from a garage sale and make one?....

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "dont [sic] you think that if he was to fake a BC, they would just get a circa 1960 typwritter from a garage sale and make one?" Another deflection that does not address any of the questions actually being asked.

"you [sic] claim to JUST recently start looking it up." Yes; certainly not before April 27. Again more diversions.

"I have seen read research and everything.." Excellent, so address the points made by Zebest and Vogt. Please; it is getting silly.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

no its not diversion. its commpn sense and legal aspects of US law. but face is birthers only believe what they want to believe, facts be damned

Vogts assertions are mostly rediculous. The "r" in barack for instance, why would someone go so far as to produce a forgery while at the same time do what he represents as a crappy job.

still waiting on YOUR expertise and funny that it seems your pal Vogt is a "self proclaimed" expert with no real credentials.

[SEEPRICE]

I have not Idea who Zebest is tho, but I will look him up at a later time.

Vogt is also a person who's ideals are only flaunted without counter argument on sites like WND and polical forum or obama release your records etc. all right wing anti Obama sites with no actual credibility because none are staffed by journalist but rather bloggers. when can you show someone with credibility or an unbiased opinion or stop calling facts and common sense "diversions"?

[tgear77]

@allan3141 As soon as you brought up Doug Vogt, you lost all credibility. His 'affidavit' to the FBI is a joke that has been torn apart already. His claims of being a 'document expert' are meaningless since he is only a successful businessman, not a person who can prove he has ever written a line of code in his life. Better yet, for all his bluster, he never identifies how the document was forged, he only claims it was. If this is your standard of proof, you lose.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

oh and dont forget that during the release, all relevant state of HI officials were on CNN stating that this BC that is shown is in fact a copy of the original that was sent out to the President's attorneys by written request and personally shown to them. this is by Alvin Onaka the registrar, and the Dept of Health director and others. Before you claim they are in on the conspiracy because he is Pres, they are STATE not federal employees.

[allan3141]

Again; I am asking about the pdf file, not about who has, or who has not, allegedly appeared on CNN! Is the pdf a forgery or not?

[tgear77]

@allan3141 If that were true, then you would know that no one could make such a determination from an online image. For you to make such a baseless claim suggests that your experience is that you worked the door at a bar for 11 years looking for fake driver licenses.

[SEEPRICE]

@allan3141

as of 2001 a COLB is the ONLY legal document issued by the state of HI. the majority of states do not accept a long form anymore to get a drivers license. Michigan, Oregon, s dakota etc.

as far as the rest. a tiny percentage believe its a forgery they would always believe that even though there is no proof that he was born outside the US. why the hell did you all demand the long form? we already knew before it was released that you idiots would say it was forged

[allan3141]

@SEEPRICE "a tiny percentage believe its a forgery" It is not a tiny percentage and even if it was what matters is whether it is actually a forgery or not. I couldn't have given a toss one-way or the other, I am in the UK after all. My interest actually started when the pdf file was produced. It looks like a forgery and therefore should now been investigated properly.

[Trafalgar1961]

Oh my goodness. I see Orly has punked the birthers again. she's getting really, really good at it!

[napkatz]

Lol. There is no court order All Orly got at best was a hearing for her to explain to the court why she needs access to a document completely unrelated to her case.

[AtlasJamesBond]

Time To call in the troops to force compliance with the court.

[abyssoftus]

I have come to believe that his history is becoming incredibly fuzzy and questionable.

[amy2x]

@abyssoftus Here's an Obama video that you find very interesting; watch?v=nq10znrQbCQ

[MsJackRyan]

Nothing like beginning with lies that Magistrate Judge Puglisi issued a Show Cause Order to Fuddy and ordering her to appear in court... both are completely untrue. There is no such orders... period.

[woodenmajor]

please god ,let fuddy face felony charges and go to federal prison

[rolovolo]

right...at least we know what she is NOT hiding....

[rolovolo]

I smell a false flag today Wednesday or tomorrow Thursday 8/11/11

[telemanque]

@rolovolo INDEED 

[mikestheman3]

It's very quite obvios he doesn't have an Hawaiian birth certificate, I'm beginning ti believe he was actually born it Kenya and registered in hawaii,

[amy2x]

@mikestheman3 It's a scam. People have family run Ad in local paper when you have a Baby in another country.

[jjepsen1]

@mikestheman3

follow common sense conflicting stories and the mountain of evidence against the authenticity. See WND story RJPolland PHD. Obama released Polland's forgery of COLB..

[drlove9999999]

That point u just made is obvious!!!

[icysilver1]

this is old news sigh 3,430 views

Hawaii refuses subpoena of Obama birth certificate, citing privacy concerns

Posted by Jack Minor • July 20, 2011 •

[amy2x]

@icysilver1 Smarten Up. You Don't know what you are talking about. This is new news. Judge issues Subpoena in July. Birth Certificate was supposed to be provided Aug 8, 2011. Today, Aug 9 2011, Judge ordered the Department Head to appear in court in September.

[RonaldBlair]

The POWERFUL DEMOCRATIC PARTY is in FULL COVER-UP mode- Rich POWERFUL people are at this moment strategizing how to NOT comply with the COURT ORDER (because they are guilty)- They R deciding who can be bought- I PRAY some HONEST people will come forward and save America from these CRIMINALS who have deceived us and done so much damage to our country- Orly Taitz herself thinks she will fail because of the CORRUPTNESS and power of these RICH people in league with the DEMOCRATIC PARTY-

[arrrogantlyignorant]

@RonaldBlair

"strategizing how to NOT comply with the COURT ORDER (because they are guilty)"

Its not a court order, just like the "subpoena" she led others to believe was real, was not real.

[arrrogantlyignorant]

What Gallups says in this video is totally untrue. The court in Hawaii did not order Hawaii officials to appear in court to explain why they refused Orly Taitz "subpoena".

A hearing is scheduled for Sept 14 to determine if such an order should be issued. Of course it will be dismissed or denied.

She does not need Obama's birth certificate for her FOIA case on his SS#.

[SkyBlueAugust]

So, basically, this gives them a month to come up with another forgery?

[HonestJohn60]

I'm in!!! - Good deal!! - Thanks So Much Amy for posting this!!!! - We just cant get Oblama out soon enough!!! - They better hang this Biach!

[HonestJohn60]

its 5:12 PM EST - Still being processed? - I think its possessed!

[amy2x]

@HonestJohn60 Try clearing your browser cache if you know how. That all I can think of.

[joebuddyable]

We are talking about the President of the U.S.A. all of the Presidents of The U.S.A. must prove to all of the citizens of the U.S.A. that they are in fact a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.A.. Look in all of the Birth Museums of all of the Presidents of the U.S.A. & you will find proof they are all Natural Born Citizens of the U.S.A. except for President Barrack Obama. Why won't he prove it to "We The People?" This video is excellent I waited 24 hrs to find out anything about the B.C..

[amy2x]

@joebuddyable Thanks. You are dead on. The Pork Barreler congressman don't care and unfortunately many millions of citizens don't care. Mainstream Presstitutes play things down.

[SEEPRICE]

@joebuddyable

ok lets say I agree with that. Now WHEN are you going to demand the same of the last several Presidents?

I ask because is Pres Bush or Clinton and the others were not born in the US, then all of their signatures would be void and the laws would need to be rewritten and appoved by congress.

now when will you demand THEIR birth certificates?

btw, their BCs are NOT all in the musem. Obama is the ONLY sitting Pres to release a long AND short form BC.

[SEEPRICE]

@joebuddyable

what makes you a dumbass is that you do not even know that the " Birth Museums of all of the Presidents "is a hox and does not actually exist. nor can the BCs of most presidents in the last 100 or even 50 years can even be found.

the only President in 30 years to actually have a BC is President Regan. It is in the Regan Library.

In conclusion, every thing you posted is a lie. the Only two presidents in modern history whos BC is available IS Regan and OBAMA.

[MrAmbrister]

Why are people commenting on the video when its telling me that it is currently being processed?

[amy2x]

@MrAmbrister YouTube is out of sync. It is Processed already.

[MissEVitale]

wow