You make a good point Hotoro86. Remember, I am both and if I put on my hakama for this video, attitudes seem to change.
What is SUPER funny is that you can find this move in GJJ (BJJ) for their knife combative series.hmmmm...guess it must hold some water then huh ;-) I don't need to have others convinced about a move. I know it works because I've done it. I just want to share that there are more ways to skin a cat.
Interesting, I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw Kotegaesh as the topic. I have a rank as well in Akido when I was dabbling in it. Beginners rank but I sucked up allot of my knowledge about balance and center from Akido and its helped my martial arts. Shihonage, Iriminage, Kotegaesh I always thought were very useful. Katenagi not so much so I hardly use it... But Out of the five, Ikio, Nikio Sanky Yanko and gokyo... I believe Nikio to be the best of them all. But yeah I hear ya Akido is helpful
when i was in middle school, this older kid came up to me, said "want to see something cool?" and i said "sure" like a jackass.... dude grabbed my wrist and did exactly the technique shown here...before i knew wnat was happening, i was on the concrete with the wind knocked out of me. i was surprised how effective it was!
Nice sub . U guys have always had good instructionals with detail , angles, and different adaptations . keep up the good work . I look forward to the next video . ( btw , the gangsta lean was the fire . I got all of my sparring partners at least three times each before they figured out the defense . )
so everyone seems to say that these techniques would never work in real sittuatons... and that the uke (i believe is the term) having an understanding of the movements, assists.. i have always felt that Aikido has tons of practical applications (obviously if done correctly) in real scenerios. I am a fan of Bjj, MT, Judo, and wrestling.. valuing your input, what would you say to this common understanding?
The real question is if the person applying them understand the concepts behind the move and WHEN to use it. This lock isn't magically and found in every system of martial arts-including Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I've used this dozens of times in my job and it works wonderfully. The uke only assists in so much as not to get hurt or broken in a demonstration. When done to someone who doesn't know the move, the result 'looks' messy and uncoordinated-but then again-that is REAL fighting and combat.
The difference between practice, and street would be this: In practice, uke will jump/roll with the technique because he knows its coming. Torre also doesnt FULLY apply said technique. Thus, both partners still like each other after practice.
Done on the street, you YANK on the wrist, the wrist breaks probably before the attacker ever thinks about leaving his feet or realizing what happens. Doubt it Try grabbing my wrist sometime in a dark alley. They do work done half way they hurt a lot
Kung Fu's got this one too. We call it "White ape worships Buddha". There's a slightly different hand position, but it's the same lock. One of my favorites. Had a female student break a guy's wrist with it once.. He deserved it.
just wanted to say that i am new to jiu jitsu and i have been watching your videos like im studying old football footage ...its amazing thank you for what your doing
in my hap ki do class they tell us to put the hand that the person is grabbing in the hand of the other person like youre praying then turn it in a circle (hard to explain)
I was wondering as to why you are showing this variant of Kotegaeshi?
You are bending forward and thus slightly towards the uke, who in theory if they are grabbing one handed are more than likely going to throw a punch with their other hand.
Is the idea that the "opponent" will be aiming for were you head was, and this technique would be done really quickly and be would affect their other shoulder. Or is this more of a case of this being a simple version to introduce the concept?
Remember that all videos are just a slice in time and the many, subtle factors cannot all be explained. This is to understand the basic concepts behind this one variation. It is possible to add strikes, tenkan, pivot and use a whole host of other tai sabaki (body movements) to aid in this techniques.
The concept of this martial art (aiki jujutsu) is to move off the line and use your body as a whole to generate power for the throw/wrist control.
Hm, with that said, instead of pushing down his elbow when he's on the ground facing downwards, what if one uses his/her knee and push down his elbow?
laugh...actually you WANT to be. The best learning is having your instructor do the moves on you because you get the feeling of what teh move should be like.
hmm.. never saw the first lock before till now (the one with the knee on the chest).. im so used to the aikido lock with this technique..
glad i subscribed to your channel... gives me a lot of perspectives in improving my aikido and judo skills.. wish you gym here in the manila.. best of luck to you guys! :)
care workers and nurses who look after people with special needs but who can be voilant would be the kind of people who would learn a more restained and controlling aproach as opposed to a more offensive finish
Tai Sabaki (basic body and foot movement -most certainly). Angles, avoiding attacks, moving in off center line, kazushi...its all apart of the package. Many of my grappling students also are taking JJJ with me as well...some want to do both...some just want to learn self defense, some want just sport grappling...its all mixed up ;-)
How effective are these standing wristlock techniques in tournaments? It seems you would be able to catch someone who is not prepared for it. Do any youtube videos exist where someone is using these traditional jiu-jitsu moves in tournaments/mma?
typically small joint manipulation are not allowed in tournies (along with a whole host of other stuff that is now illegal to do). At higher levels they are sometimes allowed and there is a video of Jacare doing one in a comp. He breaks the guys wrist and gets the tap out...beautiful!
I should clarify: In MANY competitions they are not allowed because the force it takes to break it is much less then say the arm. Every organization will have different rules....check with the refs to make sure what is allowed and what isn't
I think most technqies are as effective as you make them through repeated practice. Take the armbar from guard for example. I rarely caught anyone with it until I started drilling armbars 100 times a day. Now it happens a lot.
I have seen wrist locks work in grappling tournaments.
UFC fighter Derek Downey used a wrist lock to win one of his matches in the Utah state no gi, no time limit absolute division sub-grappling tourney last year. It resulted in his opponent's wrist breaking.
yes but in the aikido style i train 90% of the techniques require moving, and my sensei has a black belt in ju jutsu and he showed us a kotegaeshi from a overhead (shomenuchi) strike and it requires using the elbow with the turning motion while traping the wrist for kotegaeshi
The shoman strike does require movement but less movement is required as your technique gets better. We do shomen attacks, tski as well as hooks and other attacks where tenkan is needed. In this example, we show with out any major tai sabki. Like I said, no one version is right...just another option ;-)
THANK YOU Kevin...I sometimes get emails/comments that say " that is not how to do it." As you have pointed out, there are many variations and Daito and Aikido have differences.
If it works and it is different than what someone is used to, what is the point on debating which is correct.
great execution!!! too many times have I seen someone turn the wrist as if they were turning a big wheel!
I saw the title and was ready to comment on how you should keep the wrist in front of your hara and move your own body in order to move his. I guess I should have known better!
I am a bit more linear in my execution of my jujutsu techniques because of my background in the art. JJJ styles, like Daito for example, tend to be more direct in their application.
aaaaaaa 5\5
awamy91 2 years ago
i have a question:-
Do BJJ has a weightlifting training or resistance training (bodyweight and other.....)?
Can u give me a schedule?
awamy91 2 years ago
Funny how this move done by an Aikidoka is "unrealistic" and "useless" but done by a BJJ instructor it suddenly becomes "legit" and even "cool".
No offense to You, Ari, I'm just talking about the "TMAs suck" people.
Hotora86 2 years ago 13
You make a good point Hotoro86. Remember, I am both and if I put on my hakama for this video, attitudes seem to change.
What is SUPER funny is that you can find this move in GJJ (BJJ) for their knife combative series.hmmmm...guess it must hold some water then huh ;-) I don't need to have others convinced about a move. I know it works because I've done it. I just want to share that there are more ways to skin a cat.
Submissions101 2 years ago 4
You're right and huge KUDOS to you for showing people both ways.
Keep up the good work! :)
Hotora86 2 years ago
Interesting, I couldnt believe my eyes when I saw Kotegaesh as the topic. I have a rank as well in Akido when I was dabbling in it. Beginners rank but I sucked up allot of my knowledge about balance and center from Akido and its helped my martial arts. Shihonage, Iriminage, Kotegaesh I always thought were very useful. Katenagi not so much so I hardly use it... But Out of the five, Ikio, Nikio Sanky Yanko and gokyo... I believe Nikio to be the best of them all. But yeah I hear ya Akido is helpful
MooneShadow 2 years ago 2
Ari, Can you post some of your tournament matches or some of your students competing in tournaments(BJJ TOURNAMENTS) . I haven't seen any.
counterstrikebjj 2 years ago
Sure bro. They just started late last year. Here is one:
watch?v=7gnMluu4FOY&feature=channel_page
we have another one coming up in a few weeks too. They aren't super common in our neck of the woods.
Submissions101 2 years ago
when i was in middle school, this older kid came up to me, said "want to see something cool?" and i said "sure" like a jackass.... dude grabbed my wrist and did exactly the technique shown here...before i knew wnat was happening, i was on the concrete with the wind knocked out of me. i was surprised how effective it was!
kanda444 2 years ago
Nice sub . U guys have always had good instructionals with detail , angles, and different adaptations . keep up the good work . I look forward to the next video . ( btw , the gangsta lean was the fire . I got all of my sparring partners at least three times each before they figured out the defense . )
YamaRider93 2 years ago
complimenti veramente bravo.
CLAUDIOPALERMO 2 years ago
so everyone seems to say that these techniques would never work in real sittuatons... and that the uke (i believe is the term) having an understanding of the movements, assists.. i have always felt that Aikido has tons of practical applications (obviously if done correctly) in real scenerios. I am a fan of Bjj, MT, Judo, and wrestling.. valuing your input, what would you say to this common understanding?
piker3000 2 years ago
The real question is if the person applying them understand the concepts behind the move and WHEN to use it. This lock isn't magically and found in every system of martial arts-including Gracie Jiu Jitsu. I've used this dozens of times in my job and it works wonderfully. The uke only assists in so much as not to get hurt or broken in a demonstration. When done to someone who doesn't know the move, the result 'looks' messy and uncoordinated-but then again-that is REAL fighting and combat.
Submissions101 2 years ago
The difference between practice, and street would be this: In practice, uke will jump/roll with the technique because he knows its coming. Torre also doesnt FULLY apply said technique. Thus, both partners still like each other after practice.
Done on the street, you YANK on the wrist, the wrist breaks probably before the attacker ever thinks about leaving his feet or realizing what happens. Doubt it Try grabbing my wrist sometime in a dark alley. They do work done half way they hurt a lot
BrentShiver 2 years ago
Kung Fu's got this one too. We call it "White ape worships Buddha". There's a slightly different hand position, but it's the same lock. One of my favorites. Had a female student break a guy's wrist with it once.. He deserved it.
Thanks for posting.
eugeneshaolin 2 years ago
Great video as always. thanks for taking the time out to teach. Bow.
jujutsud 2 years ago
just wanted to say that i am new to jiu jitsu and i have been watching your videos like im studying old football footage ...its amazing thank you for what your doing
unholyfyre 2 years ago
in my hap ki do class they tell us to put the hand that the person is grabbing in the hand of the other person like youre praying then turn it in a circle (hard to explain)
c8JJRAWR 2 years ago
I was wondering as to why you are showing this variant of Kotegaeshi?
You are bending forward and thus slightly towards the uke, who in theory if they are grabbing one handed are more than likely going to throw a punch with their other hand.
Is the idea that the "opponent" will be aiming for were you head was, and this technique would be done really quickly and be would affect their other shoulder. Or is this more of a case of this being a simple version to introduce the concept?
batjutsu 2 years ago
Remember that all videos are just a slice in time and the many, subtle factors cannot all be explained. This is to understand the basic concepts behind this one variation. It is possible to add strikes, tenkan, pivot and use a whole host of other tai sabaki (body movements) to aid in this techniques.
The concept of this martial art (aiki jujutsu) is to move off the line and use your body as a whole to generate power for the throw/wrist control.
Submissions101 2 years ago
Hm, with that said, instead of pushing down his elbow when he's on the ground facing downwards, what if one uses his/her knee and push down his elbow?
xblackdragonx 2 years ago
that dude has to have the worst internship job ever.
dshoe35 2 years ago 5
you never want to be a Martial Arts teachers assistant, it hurts A LOT!!
core1065 2 years ago
laugh...actually you WANT to be. The best learning is having your instructor do the moves on you because you get the feeling of what teh move should be like.
Submissions101 2 years ago
I concur. Check the greatest masters of the arts today. I can guarentee you almost all of them were their master's training dummy.
scotttealey 2 years ago
hmm.. never saw the first lock before till now (the one with the knee on the chest).. im so used to the aikido lock with this technique..
glad i subscribed to your channel... gives me a lot of perspectives in improving my aikido and judo skills.. wish you gym here in the manila.. best of luck to you guys! :)
spren27 2 years ago
lol sooooo cool and sooo easy to do!!!
GG to sumbody who is trying to start you with a knife or flicking there lighter
Skywalk3r69 2 years ago
At the end of the video you say 'If you wanna be nicer you can put your knee flat' Whats the point of being nice to someone trying to harm you?
Other then that NO PROBLEMS. Like always love the stuff, best subscription I ever made!
NextMessiah 2 years ago
care workers and nurses who look after people with special needs but who can be voilant would be the kind of people who would learn a more restained and controlling aproach as opposed to a more offensive finish
joemel2 2 years ago
We use this and similar wrist locks in Goshin-ryu Karate, wrist locks are great to control bigger guys so a strong grip is needed.
lcurtis666 2 years ago
sub101 guys u need to check out the channel hotbutterfilms they did a parody of your videos its preety funny.
nubemuffin 2 years ago
i used to practice combat aikido and this is part of the techniques we've had.
adam1137 2 years ago
haha i take combat hapkido and we utilize this move!!
cigarmakingpandas 2 years ago
ari do you teach tai sabaki to your students? also are your bjj students also learning japanese jujitsu?
japanesemartialarts2 2 years ago
Tai Sabaki (basic body and foot movement -most certainly). Angles, avoiding attacks, moving in off center line, kazushi...its all apart of the package. Many of my grappling students also are taking JJJ with me as well...some want to do both...some just want to learn self defense, some want just sport grappling...its all mixed up ;-)
Submissions101 2 years ago
i think for this move you need to get a better angle on the wrist
underratedsk8 2 years ago
Agreed! I have a better angle on the other version above...but missed the boat on this video...next time!!!
Submissions101 2 years ago
nice vid. High quality would be helpful to see your fingers though.
noestabien 2 years ago
Awesome thanks.
FathomlessMastery 2 years ago
Nice, that's pretty dirrrty lol.
DUCKemz 2 years ago
How effective are these standing wristlock techniques in tournaments? It seems you would be able to catch someone who is not prepared for it. Do any youtube videos exist where someone is using these traditional jiu-jitsu moves in tournaments/mma?
amenra13 2 years ago
typically small joint manipulation are not allowed in tournies (along with a whole host of other stuff that is now illegal to do). At higher levels they are sometimes allowed and there is a video of Jacare doing one in a comp. He breaks the guys wrist and gets the tap out...beautiful!
Submissions101 2 years ago
I thought wrist locks were not considered small joint manipulation?
amenra13 2 years ago
I should clarify: In MANY competitions they are not allowed because the force it takes to break it is much less then say the arm. Every organization will have different rules....check with the refs to make sure what is allowed and what isn't
Submissions101 2 years ago
I think most technqies are as effective as you make them through repeated practice. Take the armbar from guard for example. I rarely caught anyone with it until I started drilling armbars 100 times a day. Now it happens a lot.
I have seen wrist locks work in grappling tournaments.
UFC fighter Derek Downey used a wrist lock to win one of his matches in the Utah state no gi, no time limit absolute division sub-grappling tourney last year. It resulted in his opponent's wrist breaking.
balletman 2 years ago
great tutorials!
chin0chican0 2 years ago
LOL i got that to work one time when i was joke fighting with my friend one time it was kinda cool
buklao123 2 years ago
its done differently in aikido
markilic 2 years ago
There are MANY variations on this as I stated. Even within aikido schools and styles the throws and pins will vary.
Submissions101 2 years ago
yes but in the aikido style i train 90% of the techniques require moving, and my sensei has a black belt in ju jutsu and he showed us a kotegaeshi from a overhead (shomenuchi) strike and it requires using the elbow with the turning motion while traping the wrist for kotegaeshi
markilic 2 years ago
The shoman strike does require movement but less movement is required as your technique gets better. We do shomen attacks, tski as well as hooks and other attacks where tenkan is needed. In this example, we show with out any major tai sabki. Like I said, no one version is right...just another option ;-)
Submissions101 2 years ago
Like Ari said, there are MANY variations to it. I study both Aikido & Daito ryu and it is done differently in both styles.
KevinCumberton 2 years ago
THANK YOU Kevin...I sometimes get emails/comments that say " that is not how to do it." As you have pointed out, there are many variations and Daito and Aikido have differences.
If it works and it is different than what someone is used to, what is the point on debating which is correct.
Submissions101 2 years ago
great execution!!! too many times have I seen someone turn the wrist as if they were turning a big wheel!
I saw the title and was ready to comment on how you should keep the wrist in front of your hara and move your own body in order to move his. I guess I should have known better!
blaatschaap83 2 years ago
I am a bit more linear in my execution of my jujutsu techniques because of my background in the art. JJJ styles, like Daito for example, tend to be more direct in their application.
Submissions101 2 years ago
I realy like these jjj vids. You can tell the are much more useful on the street.
tinalafermy 2 years ago
nicee move
jiujitsu1992 2 years ago
wooooo, i think ari had a bad day, i havnt hear someone tap like that in a good while! hahaha
SANDLOLZ2 2 years ago
Under what circumstance would this be used?
Yakshinian 2 years ago
Thanks for the upload :]
leemustdie760 2 years ago