i am pro reasonable choice. what i mean is if you are gonna get an abortion, you should get it as early as possible. As soon as the fetus starts having a heart beat and basic body functions it is living. An abortion a few days or weeks after you find out you are pregnant, im ok with that. but if its like 5 months into pregnancy then no, sorry, its a living being now.
Nice. She put that fucktard in his place. Pro forced birthers NEVER have ANY original debate points or questions, they just vomit up the same pointless and offensive bullshit over and over and OVER.
@Bluebelle9289 says: "The fetus isn't a living human." I'm afraid this claim has already been thoroughly refuted. By all means, please quote some reputable scientist who has disproved the fact that a human fetus is a living human (we'd all love to read it). Not even "informed" pro-choicers deny that an unborn child ("fetus") is a living human. I'll help you out, pick up a BIO101 textbook and read about the Law of Biogenesis. Fortunately for us, your claim is undisputedly false.
This debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide, which is definitely a concern to society as a whole. There are those who, quite reasonably, consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong. Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would be a relevant objection to abortion. Arguments for abortion seem to be less substantial.
@huskerfraz says: This debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide/ to be morally wrong.
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Well it DOSENT, so why debate it, and when morals are legislated then we'll talk about that. Until them, your spitting into the wind & getting hit in your face.
@Sueezee1 Legislation is based on morals. It is based on what we the people preceive to be right or wrong. We as a people knows that a mother being free to terminate her children is not compassionate nor stable. Abortion is getting harder not easier..so we are not getting hit. Women are going to realize that abortion is a violent act and not a normal procedure that's available for conveience reasons.
no, you ignorant bitch, one day you and YOUR kind will realize that there are consequences to attempting to expert power over others and that that consequence is getting your ugly fucking skull bashed into the pavement. Now fuck off.
It seems like you're the one "vomit[ing] up the same pointless and offensive" stuff. Do you actually have something constructive to contribute to this debate or is obscenity your only tactic? Pro-life position: Elective abortion unjustly takes the life of a defenseless human being. Human fetus = living human (homo sapiens). Personal liberty should not include a license to kill another living human.
@Sueezee1 This shouldn't need to be explained, but for you: a "being" is something which "exists". A "human" is a member of the species "homo sapiens", therefore, a "human being" is a "human who exists". As for the term "person": when does person not refer to human? Answer: never. What is a human fetus? Answer: a living human being, or if you like, a "homo sapiens who exists". Therefore: human fetus = homo sapiens = human (being) = person = he/she, etc. Are you familiar with synonyms?
According to Webster's Dictionary (verbatim): "being - 1. existence; life. 2. a creature; a human." Since we actually do refer to a human fetus, he/she does undoubtedly exist. A human fetus is a living creature. A human fetus is human. Also, The New College Latin to English Dictionary: "fetus - child, offspring, young." Your symantics game will get you no where fast, Sueezee. Even Planned Parenthood admits that a human fetus is "a unique, whole, distinct, living human being."
@huskerfraz The fact that we refer to something does not mean it exists. We refer to Zeus, who is no longer believed by anyone to have actual existence. In philosophy, the term "being" is used to differentiate between things whose existence can be proven, such as rocks, and things which have purely conceptual existence, such as numbers. You are the one playing semantics games, choosing only the meanings that support your argument and ignoring others.
@huskerfraz The fact that a human fetus is human does not mean it is a human being. My gut is human, it is living, it has independant existence in the form of homeostasis, and it has its own primitive brain. It is not a human being.
Macmillan Dictionary, child: a young person from the time they are born until they are about 14 years old
medicaldictionary . web has child: A person 6 to 12 years of age
@huskerfraz Your quote is from Alan Guttmacher, and is his own private opinion. It is not an official position of Planned Parenthood. Even if it were, your argument is a logical fallacy, argument by appeal to authority. The fact remains that many people do not believe that the fetus is a human being. The term does not have a scientific, objective definition and is a matter of opinion.
instilling fear in evil people who would do me harm at the first chance is not pointless. you are in the wrong and the sooner you back the fuck off your bullshit, the better chance you have to survive. we are tired of your evil and we WILL begin eliminating your kind. either change or get ready to die shitstain.
@TFYFWYA says "we WILL begin eliminating your kind. either change or get ready to die sh*tstain."
Oh no! Big SCARY keyboard!! You have thoroughly demonstrated that you are not capable of uttering one intelligible thought. And as long as there are "evil" people out there willing to "eliminate" innocent children without just cause, I won't "back the $%^& off" (as you so eloquently put it). You are obviously very emotionally invested in your cause, and perhaps it is clouding your judgment.
look, bitch. there is NOTHING you can teach me about this issue. and its not my keyboard or even me in particular you should fear. its ALL women. youre evil, so either change or get ready to die. period.
PS. you should look up the meanings of words before you use them, otherwise you just look like an ignorant redneck.
and yes I AM emotionally invested. why should I not be when you want me and other women to die horrible deaths? you don't get a free pass you worthless piece of human excrement.
@TFYFWYA says: "you want me and other women to die horrible deaths"
No, absolutely not. As the name clearly indicates, the "Pro-Life" stance is to SAVE lives. I completely support women's rights, as I support all human rights equally. However, it should not be one human's right to harm another human without just cause. Abortion does exactly that... it grants one human the right to kill another human. By the way, your insults are unnecessary and unhelpful, you are just hurting your case.
@Hexl702 says: "...abortion cant be anymore legal than it already is. "
I'm not arguing whether or not some small interest group paid off enough crooked Democrats in Congress to approve the funneling of taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood. I'm arguing about the ethics of killing humans without a just cause. "She" is "hurting her case" because all she can manage to do is blurt obscenities instead of presenting a clear, conscise argument for why killing innocent children is commendable.
If you claim that 6,7,early 8 month fetus can be aborted such fetus can be also killed after birth.
Again,your distinction between human and human being has no sense.For you:human being=born fetus,human=unborn fetus.For Nazis:Germans,other nations=humans, Jews, Slavs, etc.=subhumans.For Pol.language człowiek=born fetus,człowiek= unborn fetus.
Can you tell me any reason why your/Eng. naming is right,why just Eng. naming can decide what fetus is and about it's right?
(...cont) I simply don't judge that cold expedience is a proper justification for killing an unborn child. All things taken into consideration: individual liberty, the value of human life, the conscious state of the unborn child, etc... I think the balance tips, however slightly, in favor of preserving human life. Of course, extentuating circumstances factor in as well, i.e. medical emergency or rape, but these situations are rare and should be dealt with individually based on their own merits.
You may have a point concerning an unborn child's temporary state of unconsciousness. However, since this is a necessary stage of human development, I cannot, in good conscience, recognize such a transitory distinction as justification for the termination of a human life. It seems that if people are going to have sex, they should understand that pregnancy may result (however unlikely). Although there are exceptions, the most common reason for elective abortions is mere expedience. (cont...)
Honestly though, do you actually have anything constructive to contribute to this debate? If not, please stop spamming... it just discredits your stance even more.
@Sueeze1 I just felt from watching this that A: She's never really did answer the guy's 1st question. B: They were going in circles trying to get thier points across and C: I feel that you (as any activist) should be as informed as you can be on both sides of any argument (no matter what side you stand on).
To me she really (if at all) wasn't getting what point the guy was trying to make. Which was to look at it from the baby's loss ( his/her life) and not the woman's loss ( her rights).
@chrisscruzzz i agree she handled it so poorly. the point of believing in something is to understand it and be able to talk about it with confidence. she did neither.
@th3kill3rbunny says: the point of believing in something is to understand it and be able to talk about it with confidence. she did neither.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ She understands it and talked about it correctly. So, whats your problem? Shes a kid, she'll get better & quicker with time, at least shes on the right track and knows her chit.
@Sueezee1 says: "There is NO loss for a non existant entity"
Absolutely correct, Sueezee! However, your claim is contrary to you argument. A human fetus, which is a living human, does exist. If she is alive and is a human, then there are at least two reasons to believe that she, in fact, does exist. Furthermore, that living, growing human has a unique DNA, distinct from her mother and father; her eye and hair colors, blood type, physical and mental prowess, etc. are already determined.
@chrisscruzzz says: hat girl CLEARLY is not a very educated pro-choice activist!
~~~~~~~~~~ She doesnt have to be educated, abortion is legal with or without her, but what did she say that wasnt educated? Eagerly awaiting your unbiased reply.
@Sueezee1 Well, she didn't counter her opponent's points about why a fetus doesn't deserve rights and only focuses on the legal aspect, which has many flaws (laws are made due to morality, but laws aren't morality). She could've easily pointed out that a clerk has a life, loves, fear of pain and suffering and wants to seek happiness like all born beings do. A fetus lacks all those qualities. But she never used those terms and continued with BS like "medical liability" which convinces no-one.
@vgman94 I simply don't judge that cold expedience is a proper justification for killing an unborn child. All things taken into consideration: individual liberty, the value of human life, the conscious state of the unborn child, etc... I think the balance tips, however slightly, in favor of preserving human life. Of course, extentuating circumstances factor in as well, i.e. medical emergency or rape, but these situations are rare and should be dealt with individually based on their own merits.
@Hexl702 says; "OR ELSE! So what do y'all have in mind. How come none of the pro-lip candidates are out there saying what should be done about abortion."
@Hexl702 says: How come none of the pro-lip candidates are out there saying what should be done about abortion.
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Exactly, and I've been watching for that. Its been the same for the past 30 yrs. They may not agree with abortion, but no one is going to touch it with a ten foot pole, OR poll. LOL
not being funny but its a man doing the interview... how the fuck would he know what it feels like. if he was carrying a kid from a one night stand you think hed be like yay im pregnant lets keep it. no... hed be shitting himself and want rid.
also... yea your killing a human with feelings and emotion if its a bank clerk. a fetus is cells to begin with and if we are gunna talk about cells and killing them then its wrong to kill cancer and wrong to scrub your face as your killing living cells.
@th3kill3rbunny also. if youve been raped, or molested, or its incest or its gunna be deformed or extremly mentally handicapped then yes i think you certainly have a choice. what if its going to mentally scar you. what if you took every procation and still got pregnant but you took those messures coz you NEVER wanted a kid but it happened anyways? its not fair to make you have it.
@liposuctionbuttfat nice comment. you put a lot of thought into it. when you can justify forcing a woman to have a child when she has her reasons not to then come back to me with a valid argument.
@liposuctionbuttfat I posted on the wrong comment...but with that being said, there are other options besides abortion...and I don't think just not wanting a child is a justifiable cause. There are many people who would love to adopt. Hitler brainwashed and entire nations that it was right to kill the Jews because they weren't people...now the pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetus is nothing more than a lump of cells. I had one a long time ago.
@liposuctionbuttfat says: not a day goes by where I don't wish that I had done something different.
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Thats YOUR fault. Dont come in here trying to blame abortion for YOUR regret. Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind. Guilt dosent come from abortion. It comes from YOUR head and YOUR thoughts . Why are you doing that to YOURSELF if thats what you CHOSE?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ T You actually mean stop the on e million abortion each yr and possibly have that many up for adoption? That could be 80 million kids in your damned lifetime. Can you even fathom the insanity of that for the kids? Or, like all probirthers, dont you care?
~~~~~~~~~ Then why are there some 300 new babies LIVING in NY hospitals because of no adopters, let alone the number in all other cities? Why are 250,000 up for adoption is the US today, who probably wont be adopted? Whyare there millions upon millions of other kids in other lands that have NO ONE & eat from garbage dumps? Try using your head. This IS NOT about one or two itty bitty babies that meed a good mommy
Stupid, so called "pro-choice" logic: Pro-choice desire unwanted babies to survive but they are not ready to take care of them. Such hypocrites.
Let me guess: You desire victims of concentration camps to survive, starving people to survive etc. but you are not ready to take care of them. You are such hypocrite.
@odoslawa Not ready and unable are two differentthings. Also, define an "Adult" fetus. Is it an actual adult human, or a mature fetal stage such as the final trimester? Your arguments are already faulty at the moment, so choose your next words carefully.
I regard "adult" fetus as final trimester fetus, that's why i used commas.
I suspect, you make clear distinction: fetus - only human being, sth worse - can be killed; born baby - human/person, sth better - deserve to live. This division is false. Human being is the same like human and a man, for example Polish don't know such division and translate these three words as one - człowiek.
Something that can feel, think, have personality etc. is human, a person, but something that can not feel, think, don't have personality is not human, not a person. The clue is simple: only 3 years ??? and older baby is human, a person as it can think etc., whereas fetus and an infant are not human, persons as they can not think.
More important question is: why killing a fetus is nothing wrong whereas killing an infant is wrong although both fetus and infant are almost the same.
@odoslawa says: why killing a fetus is nothing wrong whereas killing an infant is wrong although both fetus and infant are almost the same.
~~~~~~~~~ The "same" how? I dont diaper a fetus, it cant crawl, eat applasause, own property, have a bank account, an insurance policy and the list goes on..how are they the same?
@Sueezee1 says: "when morals are legislated then we'll talk about that"
What the heck are laws then? Are they not, generally speaking, what the gov't has decided that citizens should or should not do? And if you do things that you shouldn't do, usually, you are punished. Of course, we have a temperamental legal system that approves of one action today and disapproves of it tomorrow. You claim abortion is right because it happens to be legal right now, what if it isn't legal tomorrow?
@Sueezee1 It's the same because it is a life....it feeds, it thrives, it moves, it has DNA, it has a sex (male/female), it has a furture. That's why you need to keep your blood stained NASTY LIBERAL HANDS OFF OF IT!
@odoslawa A final trimester fetus is questionable. It mostly could feel pain if not for the natural sedatives, and certain abortion methods could possibly break the sedation. However, due to other views of mine (see The Sunset Limited on YouTube for more information), I'm only really against it on the final month and the last 2 weeks of the 8th month. Also, I see "person" and "being" (like human being) as the same.
@odoslawa says, "Let me guess: You desire victims of concentration camps to survive, starving people to survive etc. but you are not ready to take care of them. You are such hypocrite."
wtf - did you think hard about this one? No. I didn't think so.
Three questions about birth to so called pro-choice.
What do you say about the moment when legs are inside mother and head in out of her. What is this creature: half fetus, half baby, some kind of cyborg or what.
Next question about c-section. Creature outside womb is baby, but if I put the baby again inside the womb it turn to fetus or what?
The third question is: what with preterm born child, eg. 6 month fetus? Because it is nothing more that a fetus taken outside the womb. So there is no reason to call it like that. Tell me now, if killing it is nothing wrong
Why are you even still talking? You have added absolutely nothing constructive to this discussion... as I'm sure your next reply will demonstrate... We're all waiting in eager anticipation at the pearls of wisdom about to flow from your glorioius mind...
@Sueezee1 Abortion is not the answer to a world free of unwanted, hated, and abused children u idiotic nasty bleeding heart liberal. A woman having an abortion does not automatically make her a great mother for her future kids as women who do not have abortions makes them hate, abuse, or unwant their kids. You are such an evil liberal.
Not true. We want them to live because they are humans no matter what others feel to them.
Organizations, that help tortured people, raped children, victims of domestic violence etc. also want them to survive because they 'love" idea of unwanted, hated and abused people. Pro-life are happy from such comparison.
By the way, we wants them to be loved, that's why we help pregnants and unwanted children.
USA and other law give no rights to fetus so it can be killed. Hungarian law give fetus right to live. Nazis law gave subhumans no right so they can be killed. Fetus can't own property etc. Feudal peasant often couldn't have property etc.
The difference between fetus and infant is based only on law. Tell me, if any state give a fetus right to inherit, have a bank account etc., will you recognize it as a human being.
Next question:if USA law about humans is right why Nazi law about humans is evil?
If feeling pain is key to abortion, have we right to torture and kill people with analgesia?
From biological view a fetus and infant is almost the same. The only difference is that infant don't use umbilical cord. So if we kill fetus freely we should also kill infant freely.
If you think that any law can decide freely about human right to live than you should also think that Nazis were OK.
@liposuctionbuttfat says: pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetusa lump of cells.
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you kidding?A women dosent care if its a tuna fish in the interim, if its going to end up being a child she dosent want, then who cares what its made of?You think a woman will suddenly want an unwanted child if she finds out it isnt cells, & by the way, thats what we ALL are made up of, dumbass. Typical probirth bologna!!
@liposuctionbuttfat says: the pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetus is nothing more than a lump of cells.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is RIGHT, if a person thinks its RIGHT, you idiot.
And if someone pro-life says that they don't mind those parts you should tell the person who is incharge of making the decision to ban pro-choice actions cause they sure would want to ban all types of methods, education and any other things that would help people with such difficult choices.
The way people are going about banning pro-choice is that its not just banning abortion, but most people want to ban contraception, plan b, or just things to help someone to have safe, less risky sex, and stuff to give less fortunate people help for them who are having children. That part about the pro-life stance is wrong.
@cmm3699 I'm pro-life and I agree. Their should be contraception and other methods to prevent pregnancies. As a human though, we should realize that even with those, we all assume responsibility that having sex may incur some unattended consequences that will effect other humans. Can you believe some of us pro-lifers believe in a world where people are responsible for their actions.
@goatnuts8288 says: Can you believe some of us pro-lifers believe in a world where people are responsible for their actions.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Can YOU believe some of us pro-choicers believe in a world where kids are wanted & loved? Abortion IS being responsible...having unwanted kids to make born adult happy...... isnt...
One of my friend's moms had an abortion back in 1973 and to this day she cannot talk about it without crying. Back then she accepted that the fetus was just a blob of flesh, but since then she realized that it had working organs and was sensitive to touch and pain. Every year on the anniversary of her abortion, she can't help but remember her unborn child and how old he or she would have been now, and she regrets it. I don't think personal testimonies lie.
@Ollie7707 That is true. Personal testimonies don't lie. I have seen at least 3 users on this site who said they're grateful for an abortion and feel free after getting one. Your friend's mother might see this as heartless, but my point is different people react differently. Your friend's mother keepsing thinking about who could've been. The users I met are grateful to have a second chance. Your friend's mom didn't lie, but it doesn't prove whether or not abortion is a wrong-doing.
@vgman94 But whether it's wrong or not, a lot of people have serious physical or emotional problems after abortion. That's not a risk I'm willing to take.
But it IS wrong. At what point does a blob of cells become a human? When it has a beating heart? A brain? When it can feel pain? It's asinine to try to convince one's self that a fetus is not human. Absolutely asinine.
@Ollie7707 says: a lot of people have serious physical or emotional problems after abortion
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ONLY if they WANT to. Women perpetuate your OWN feeleings. . Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind. Guilt dosent come from abortion. It comes from HER head and HER thoughts. DONT BLAME ABORTION, blame weak women
@Sueezee1 Of course I don't think I can decide what's right and wrong, and I know you don't think that either, since I assume that you are more intelligent than that. Anyway, I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. And in reply to your other comment, I was asking you if you agreed that a fetus is 100% human 100% of the time (please acquire some comprehension skills. I'm 16 and I have them. They're handy). That was my point. How is the killing of a human not wrong?
@Ollie7707 says: I was asking you if you agreed that a fetus is 100% human 100% of the time
~~~~~~~~ Like I already said and you couldnt comprehend, It sure is, so whats your point, my love?? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent reply. (big grin).
@Ollie7707 says: How is the killing of a human not wrong?
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First, you have to explain how one would kill a species? Do you shoot it, run it over with a car? Slit a species throat? YOU tell ME honey, THEN I will tell you why its not worng. LOL.Im loving this.
@Sueezee1 I'm having trouble locating your point (and even your numerous replies to my comments). Let's skip to the part where you asked why abortion is still legal despite my intelligence. Well, considering I'm not old enough to vote (still have a couple of years), I have little to do with these decisions. However, I can still lobby for what I believe in.
@Ollie7707 "But it IS wrong". That entire paragraph is wrong. You keep saying "human" over and over as if humans are the only creatures that need or deserve rights. Being human has nothing to do with whether or not it deserves rights. A beating heart doesn't mean it's a being. A worm has 5 hearts, so what does that mean. It can't feel pain until after birth due to natural chemicals keeping it sedated. It becomes a real human when it's born with reasonable questions in the 9th month. That's it.
@vgman94 The issue of animal rights is something else entirely. Right now we're talking about human rights to life; please stay on topic. The point is that murderers are punished for killing another person, and this is just. So how is it not just to punish people who kill babies? Anyone who says they're not babies lacks even the most basic knowledge of biology. And yes. Fetuses do respond to touch and can feel pain.
@Ollie7707 says: The point is that murderers are punished for killing another person, and this is just. So how is it not just to punish people who kill babies?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ a fetus isnt another person and youre just as ignorant in all the names you post under.
@Ollie7707 says: If my parents didn't want me, that wouldn't give them the right to kill me.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Jesus christ...another probirther who dosent know what a frickin "right" is. Sweetheart, unless you were born before R V W, then your mommy DID have the "right". God, i hate people who have CHOSEN to be stupid. Why would you do that? For the attention?
@Ollie7707 says: Anyone who says they're not babies lacks even the most basic knowledge of biology.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dosent matter. This is about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science. I call it a Ford F 150... and abortion is stil llegal. get a valid argument
@Ollie7707 Nobody of right mind says anything naturally reproducing from a human is not the same species.
We have de facto, the window of pregnancy where it is possible to humanely and without loss to society terminate that potential person if that is what the person carrying it wants.
(98.5% of abortions are before 22 weeks, before awareness circuits are in place and the fetus is unconscious until after birth anyway)
Is this actually any body else's concern but that of the woman or her doctor?
@Salinity1001 says: "Is this actually any body else's concern?"
The debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide, which is a concern to society. There are those who, quite reasonably, consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong. Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would seem to be a relevant objection to abortion. Arguments for abortion seem to be less substantial.
@huskerfraz says: consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to whose moral code? Yours? Why do you NEVER answer that? is because it will blow your "morals" theory? Come its valid, answer the question.
@huskerfraz says: Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would seem to be a relevant objection to abortion.
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Knowing its human dosent make a women want unwanted kids . So, whats your point?
@Sueezee1 "knowing it's human doesn't make a woman want an unwanted child." That statement makes me sick to my stomach. Say someone didn't like you for whatever reason, so they killed you. At the murder trial, your killer said, "I didn't want to deal with Sueezee anymore." And the judge said "Sounds legit--it's your life after all. You shouldn't have to deal with anything or anyone you don't want."
Ollie, try to understand Sueezee. A human isn't a demigod, nor an extremely rare species. We're mortal like any other life on Earth. The fetus can't think, feel emotions or pain, and unlike a sleeping, comatose, unconscious person, etc, doesn't have an already existing mind, psyche, preferences, personality to regain or people to return to. Sueezee, as you can tell by her writing, has a personality, preferences, emotions, etc. She is a living BEING, a person. A fetus is not, human or otherwise.
@liposuctionbuttfat Yeah, right. So can plants. And rocks! And AIR!!!! Seriously now, get a life and research the AMA's word on fetal awareness. Fetuses twitch, but can;'t consciously feel pain, you vag.
@vgman94 I can understand some of what pro-choice activists say, but I have to disagree with you that fetuses do not have personalities/psyches. The personality is determined at conception. Some of the preferences and such are experiential, but most certainly not all.
Thanks for being to-the-point and respectful, though, unlike Sueezee. It makes your arguments much more credible.
@Ollie7707 says: Say someone didn't like you for whatever reason, so they killed you.
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What in the hell is wrong with a person who cannot disconnect from the idea that a living, breathing, loved, loving person does NOT equate to a rice sized embryo(when most abortions are performd)??Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes, so you'll always be laughed at by anyone with half a brain. Take alittle pride in yourlsef & the things you say
@Sueezee1 Most abortions are performed when the baby is 2 or 3 inches long. Sometimes even more. Since the baby grows so fast during the first trimester, it's already 2 inches long by 10 weeks. And no, I'm not fighting for MY feelings or emotions; I'm not an unborn baby. There are consequences to actions. I hope you can grasp that. You have unprotected sex, and you may end up with a baby whether you're ready or not. You made the bed and now you're sleeping in it.
@Ollie7707 I can see we're gridlocked here, so I'm done debating with you (there's only so much I can say in 500 characters, and I'm sick of my email inbox being flooded with 6 different responses from you). It's obvious that in an online debate like this, no one can win. I just hope you grow up, wake up, and smell the coffee sooner or later.
@Salinity1001 If you agree that it's human, how does it not deserve life? I'm 16, but if I were pregnant, I'd have to acknowledge that my choices involved not just my life, but someone else's. I'm glad my parents didn't decide they didn't want me. And abortions are not "humane." In saline abortions, the mother can feel the child thrashing around in pain inside her for hours before s/he dies. Google image search "aborted fetus" and try to tell me that looks ethical.
@Ollie7707 OK, well I agree with you in some ways, and since you are divulging age I am 65 and grandfather to boot. Of course I have no desire to influence any of your decision only inasmuch as you use correct info., and are confident with your own decision.
The only time a saline abortion may be used is in third world countries these days, I think. However modern research has proved almost conclusively that a fetus is unconscious till after birth, reflexes dont need consciousness. Pro-choice..
@Salinity1001 I appreciate your not wanting to change my mind. 3 things to know about me when debating a touchy issue: I'm smart, I'm cocky (see #1), and I'm extremely stubborn. It just makes me sad that so many people have had to die in the name of women's rights. The conscience is an interesting thing. It's not learned, it's not experiential, it's instinctive. And my conscience throws up in its mouth every time it hears the word "abortion."
@Ollie7707 Ha ha OK smart you are. Being prochoice I support your view. Of course imo anything in the womb is potentially people, so no real people die, its simply an accident of nature, that if not stopped will cause a problem for the host if that is what she feels.
If she is not worried, no probs, simply let it continue to be another person for the host to raise.
Instinct works both ways acherly, whatever works for you at the time - go for it, and best wishes.
@Salinity1001 So much post-modern thinking in that comment, don't know where to start. It's probably just as well. No one wins in these little youtube debates. Good day to you.
@Salinity1001 I don't advocate killing people in the name of God/the Catholic church like a medieval dictator, and I don't believe that truth is relative like a post-modern thinker. Can't we find a happy medium? There is a right and wrong, there are consequences to actions, and we can't just do whatever we feel like doing and say "whatever works."
@Ollie7707 To be honest I dont want to be part of a happy medium that forces continued unwanted pregnancy and motherhood on a girl or woman, or when dictated to by some superstitious hang over from mediaeval Europe which actually works against its followers. The rights and wrongs are as perceived by the host person concerned for the situation, and with no person in a womb she is the only person that matters - society is not impinged adversly.
The best mothers are surely volunteers for the job?
@Salinity1001 The thing about post-modernism that makes people like it so much is it allows for them to make stupid choices with little to no repercussion. You wanted to do the nasty in the back of your deadbeat boyfriend's car and now you're pregnant? You should have been prepared for that. Now you have to deal with it. If you're not ready to be a mom, don't have sex, especially not unprotected. Anyone who doesn't follow that advice is basically volunteering for motherhood.
@Ollie7707 OK, but I ask you to bear in mind that all peoples views change throughout life, especially those with active enquiring minds, and rightful within full cognisance of the facts, not bulldust.
Preparedness is not a recipe for 100% predictability granted, and if a girl doesn't want sex for whatever reason, that is fine for her, but may not be for others with different valid views who are prepared - yet sex is no contract to birth - and not volunteering.. It is multifunctional as we know.
@Ollie7707 says: I'm 16, but if I were pregnant, I'd have to acknowledge that my choices involved not just my life, but someone else's.
~~~~~~~~~~ Thats utterly insane!! A rice sized embryo(when most abortion are preformed) does NOT have a life, as we know life, until birth. How in the hell is your decision going to affect a.......NOTHING? AND,your childish comment means you may have a baby you hate. lets here it for child abusers!!
OMG, they havent done saline abortion in YEARS!! We have new abortion procedures that are faster and more accurate. Isnt it funny you didnt know that, & youre too dumb to research things on your own, and you just follow the old, uneducated probirthers crap? Keep up the good work. Prochoice thanks you for your ignorance.
@liposuctionbuttfat I'm sorry to hear that. You should consider mentoring other women and warning them about not going through what you did; I think you have a lot to offer. I can see it just reading a few of your comments. All I have to say is that in calling you names, they're the ones that look stupid for disagreeing with someone with your wisdom and insight.
GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
Since most of abortion law debate revolves around when a child in uter becomes a person with human rights, i'd like to know how some pro-choice advocates think about the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Is this a contradictory law to you?
@SerTitanium42 says: pro-choice advocates think about the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.
~~~~~~~~ Saying that the death of a fetus by someone other than the mother is murder, does confuse things,but, it was Bush Jr;s fault. What did we expect. But, the U V V Act. never uses the term for a fetus that would give it rights NOT to be aborted. Great semantics! We always assume a fetus will be born unless the women (ONLY) decides otherwise. The law is about her, not the fetus
My last paragraph should have had a period, not a question mark.
But lets see what our Creator says about this issue: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5 Well, that seems pretty clear, God knew us before we were even born and while in the womb, He was forming us. That's crystal clear. But as humans, we use many clever excuses to rid ourselves of an unborn, even murder.
@Sueezee1: I'd never lie about such a thing. "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).
@Sueezee1: Are you so dense that you don't understand what murder is? I've already given you his explanation, if however, you are found guilty before God for such a hanus crime, I'm sure you'll experience its consequences up close and personal. You'll have all of eternity to think about it! No matter what you believe, in the eyes of God it's murder and it's His opinion and ruling that had better matter!
@Sueezee1: --In addition, I’m very much a fan of Tim Tebow, but it wasn’t that long ago that most of America loved God, but a few gay politicians started to attack our faith because they wanted to condone homosexuality and it progressively got worse. Focus on the Family was one of the organizations that stood against them, but there were enough politicians opposing godliness that they eventually got their way. They are also know to have planted disgruntled citizens in the mix.
@1LonePuma says: but it wasn’t that long ago that most of America loved God, but a few gay politicians started to attack our faith because they wanted to condone homosexuality and it progressively got worse.
~~~~~~~~ Well damn! Isnt it a shame that faith crumbled because of a few gay politicians? Listen sweetie, if thats all it took to shake that foundation, then they had problems way before any political agenda. Blame the weak so called "christians", NOT the politicians.
@Sueezee1 And one last thing. My dear "Sueezee," please stop trying to debate. Your rebuttals are on the same level with trolling, as they are in no way convincing or backed with education and fact, and most of them lack anything like logic. I'm usually not this blatant or rude, but this is called tough love. Join a debate team at your middle school.
@Ollie7707 says: Your rebuttals are on the same level with trolling, as they are in no way convincing or backed with education and fact
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LOL Oh yes they are darling. Abortion is legal for all the reasons I talk about. By the way, why cant your intelligent ass make it illegal? ya, thats what I thought.
The life of a human begins with the donation of each parent. The mother gives the egg and the father fertilizes it. A fertilized egg carries live DNA and the characteristics of each parent. And, when the two are introduced, its life begins, regardless of the size.
People seem to recognize the DNA of a living skin cell, why not a baby, as they both must grow to maturity?
You could have interviewed someone who actually know's what the hell they are talking about and has done research on the subject before coming to their own conclusion.
i am pro reasonable choice. what i mean is if you are gonna get an abortion, you should get it as early as possible. As soon as the fetus starts having a heart beat and basic body functions it is living. An abortion a few days or weeks after you find out you are pregnant, im ok with that. but if its like 5 months into pregnancy then no, sorry, its a living being now.
3clint92 19 hours ago
Nice. She put that fucktard in his place. Pro forced birthers NEVER have ANY original debate points or questions, they just vomit up the same pointless and offensive bullshit over and over and OVER.
TFYFWYA 1 day ago
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huskerfraz 1 day ago
A clerk is a human, a fetus is not a human. That's the difference.
Really bad interview.
Bluebelle9289 1 day ago
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@Bluebelle9289 says: "The fetus isn't a living human." I'm afraid this claim has already been thoroughly refuted. By all means, please quote some reputable scientist who has disproved the fact that a human fetus is a living human (we'd all love to read it). Not even "informed" pro-choicers deny that an unborn child ("fetus") is a living human. I'll help you out, pick up a BIO101 textbook and read about the Law of Biogenesis. Fortunately for us, your claim is undisputedly false.
huskerfraz 1 day ago
"Is this actually any body else's concern?"
This debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide, which is definitely a concern to society as a whole. There are those who, quite reasonably, consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong. Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would be a relevant objection to abortion. Arguments for abortion seem to be less substantial.
huskerfraz 1 day ago
@huskerfraz says: This debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide/ to be morally wrong.
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Well it DOSENT, so why debate it, and when morals are legislated then we'll talk about that. Until them, your spitting into the wind & getting hit in your face.
Sueezee1 1 day ago
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huskerfraz 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 Legislation is based on morals. It is based on what we the people preceive to be right or wrong. We as a people knows that a mother being free to terminate her children is not compassionate nor stable. Abortion is getting harder not easier..so we are not getting hit. Women are going to realize that abortion is a violent act and not a normal procedure that's available for conveience reasons.
kimmie6209 1 day ago
@kimmie6209
no, you ignorant bitch, one day you and YOUR kind will realize that there are consequences to attempting to expert power over others and that that consequence is getting your ugly fucking skull bashed into the pavement. Now fuck off.
TFYFWYA 1 day ago
@TFYFWYA says: "...f*ckt*rd...b*llsh*t...b*tch...ugly f*cking skull bashed in...f*ck off"
It seems like you're the one "vomit[ing] up the same pointless and offensive" stuff. Do you actually have something constructive to contribute to this debate or is obscenity your only tactic? Pro-life position: Elective abortion unjustly takes the life of a defenseless human being. Human fetus = living human (homo sapiens). Personal liberty should not include a license to kill another living human.
huskerfraz 17 hours ago
@huskerfraz says: Elective abortion unjustly takes the life of a defenseless human being. Human fetus = living human
~~~~~~~~~~ First you say human, then human being...cant you get anything right???
Sueezee1 16 hours ago
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huskerfraz 15 hours ago
@Sueezee1 This shouldn't need to be explained, but for you: a "being" is something which "exists". A "human" is a member of the species "homo sapiens", therefore, a "human being" is a "human who exists". As for the term "person": when does person not refer to human? Answer: never. What is a human fetus? Answer: a living human being, or if you like, a "homo sapiens who exists". Therefore: human fetus = homo sapiens = human (being) = person = he/she, etc. Are you familiar with synonyms?
huskerfraz 15 hours ago
@huskerfraz says: "being" is something which "exists". A
~~~~~~~~~~ Not for a fetus and not in the law... give me more.
Sueezee1 11 hours ago
@Sueezee1
According to Webster's Dictionary (verbatim): "being - 1. existence; life. 2. a creature; a human." Since we actually do refer to a human fetus, he/she does undoubtedly exist. A human fetus is a living creature. A human fetus is human. Also, The New College Latin to English Dictionary: "fetus - child, offspring, young." Your symantics game will get you no where fast, Sueezee. Even Planned Parenthood admits that a human fetus is "a unique, whole, distinct, living human being."
huskerfraz 10 hours ago
@huskerfraz The fact that we refer to something does not mean it exists. We refer to Zeus, who is no longer believed by anyone to have actual existence. In philosophy, the term "being" is used to differentiate between things whose existence can be proven, such as rocks, and things which have purely conceptual existence, such as numbers. You are the one playing semantics games, choosing only the meanings that support your argument and ignoring others.
pirbird14 29 minutes ago
@huskerfraz The fact that a human fetus is human does not mean it is a human being. My gut is human, it is living, it has independant existence in the form of homeostasis, and it has its own primitive brain. It is not a human being.
Macmillan Dictionary, child: a young person from the time they are born until they are about 14 years old
medicaldictionary . web has child: A person 6 to 12 years of age
pirbird14 16 minutes ago
@huskerfraz Your quote is from Alan Guttmacher, and is his own private opinion. It is not an official position of Planned Parenthood. Even if it were, your argument is a logical fallacy, argument by appeal to authority. The fact remains that many people do not believe that the fetus is a human being. The term does not have a scientific, objective definition and is a matter of opinion.
pirbird14 6 minutes ago
@huskerfraz says: Personal liberty should not include a license to kill another living human.
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There is no law against killing a human. How do you kill a species anyway???
Sueezee1 16 hours ago
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@Sueezee1 says: "There is no law against killing a human."
I'll pretend you didn't actually write this... :(
huskerfraz 15 hours ago
@huskerfraz
instilling fear in evil people who would do me harm at the first chance is not pointless. you are in the wrong and the sooner you back the fuck off your bullshit, the better chance you have to survive. we are tired of your evil and we WILL begin eliminating your kind. either change or get ready to die shitstain.
TFYFWYA 14 hours ago
@TFYFWYA says "we WILL begin eliminating your kind. either change or get ready to die sh*tstain."
Oh no! Big SCARY keyboard!! You have thoroughly demonstrated that you are not capable of uttering one intelligible thought. And as long as there are "evil" people out there willing to "eliminate" innocent children without just cause, I won't "back the $%^& off" (as you so eloquently put it). You are obviously very emotionally invested in your cause, and perhaps it is clouding your judgment.
huskerfraz 13 hours ago
@huskerfraz
look, bitch. there is NOTHING you can teach me about this issue. and its not my keyboard or even me in particular you should fear. its ALL women. youre evil, so either change or get ready to die. period.
PS. you should look up the meanings of words before you use them, otherwise you just look like an ignorant redneck.
TFYFWYA 13 hours ago
@huskerfraz
and yes I AM emotionally invested. why should I not be when you want me and other women to die horrible deaths? you don't get a free pass you worthless piece of human excrement.
TFYFWYA 13 hours ago
@TFYFWYA says: "you want me and other women to die horrible deaths"
No, absolutely not. As the name clearly indicates, the "Pro-Life" stance is to SAVE lives. I completely support women's rights, as I support all human rights equally. However, it should not be one human's right to harm another human without just cause. Abortion does exactly that... it grants one human the right to kill another human. By the way, your insults are unnecessary and unhelpful, you are just hurting your case.
huskerfraz 12 hours ago
@huskerfraz ""youre just hurting your case"
How can she hurt the case, abortion cant be anymore legal than it already is.
Hexl702 8 hours ago
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@Hexl702 says: "...abortion cant be anymore legal than it already is. "
I'm not arguing whether or not some small interest group paid off enough crooked Democrats in Congress to approve the funneling of taxpayer money to Planned Parenthood. I'm arguing about the ethics of killing humans without a just cause. "She" is "hurting her case" because all she can manage to do is blurt obscenities instead of presenting a clear, conscise argument for why killing innocent children is commendable.
huskerfraz 8 hours ago
@Sueezee1
If you claim that 6,7,early 8 month fetus can be aborted such fetus can be also killed after birth.
Again,your distinction between human and human being has no sense.For you:human being=born fetus,human=unborn fetus.For Nazis:Germans,other nations=humans, Jews, Slavs, etc.=subhumans.For Pol.language człowiek=born fetus,człowiek= unborn fetus.
Can you tell me any reason why your/Eng. naming is right,why just Eng. naming can decide what fetus is and about it's right?
odoslawa 19 hours ago
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(...cont) I simply don't judge that cold expedience is a proper justification for killing an unborn child. All things taken into consideration: individual liberty, the value of human life, the conscious state of the unborn child, etc... I think the balance tips, however slightly, in favor of preserving human life. Of course, extentuating circumstances factor in as well, i.e. medical emergency or rape, but these situations are rare and should be dealt with individually based on their own merits.
huskerfraz 1 day ago
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You may have a point concerning an unborn child's temporary state of unconsciousness. However, since this is a necessary stage of human development, I cannot, in good conscience, recognize such a transitory distinction as justification for the termination of a human life. It seems that if people are going to have sex, they should understand that pregnancy may result (however unlikely). Although there are exceptions, the most common reason for elective abortions is mere expedience. (cont...)
huskerfraz 1 day ago
Scary...
ProudTwinSister 2 days ago
@ProudTwinSister
yes, it IS scary that pro forced birthers think they can control other people. they better stop if they don't want to die.
TFYFWYA 14 hours ago
@TFYFWYA
Honestly though, do you actually have anything constructive to contribute to this debate? If not, please stop spamming... it just discredits your stance even more.
huskerfraz 13 hours ago
@Sueeze1 I just felt from watching this that A: She's never really did answer the guy's 1st question. B: They were going in circles trying to get thier points across and C: I feel that you (as any activist) should be as informed as you can be on both sides of any argument (no matter what side you stand on).
To me she really (if at all) wasn't getting what point the guy was trying to make. Which was to look at it from the baby's loss ( his/her life) and not the woman's loss ( her rights).
chrisscruzzz 3 days ago
@chrisscruzzz i agree she handled it so poorly. the point of believing in something is to understand it and be able to talk about it with confidence. she did neither.
th3kill3rbunny 2 days ago
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@th3kill3rbunny says: the point of believing in something is to understand it and be able to talk about it with confidence. she did neither.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ She understands it and talked about it correctly. So, whats your problem? Shes a kid, she'll get better & quicker with time, at least shes on the right track and knows her chit.
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@chrisscruzzz says: To me she really (if at all) wasn't getting what point the guy was trying to make. Which was to look at it from the baby's loss
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There is NO loss for a non existant entity, so why discuss it?
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 says: "There is NO loss for a non existant entity"
Absolutely correct, Sueezee! However, your claim is contrary to you argument. A human fetus, which is a living human, does exist. If she is alive and is a human, then there are at least two reasons to believe that she, in fact, does exist. Furthermore, that living, growing human has a unique DNA, distinct from her mother and father; her eye and hair colors, blood type, physical and mental prowess, etc. are already determined.
huskerfraz 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 says=" there is no loss for a non existant...."
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If it was "non existant",,then there would be no need for an abortion.
Is that what you told your daughter after she murdered your grandchild?
Is your daughter dumb enough to believe your lies?
Because as soon as the woman is pregnant a new life EXISTS.
ekajeht 1 day ago
That girl CLEARLY is not a very educated pro-choice activist! Please interview someone else who's done their homework on BOTH sides of the argument!!
chrisscruzzz 3 days ago
@chrisscruzzz says: hat girl CLEARLY is not a very educated pro-choice activist!
~~~~~~~~~~ She doesnt have to be educated, abortion is legal with or without her, but what did she say that wasnt educated? Eagerly awaiting your unbiased reply.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Sueezee1 Well, she didn't counter her opponent's points about why a fetus doesn't deserve rights and only focuses on the legal aspect, which has many flaws (laws are made due to morality, but laws aren't morality). She could've easily pointed out that a clerk has a life, loves, fear of pain and suffering and wants to seek happiness like all born beings do. A fetus lacks all those qualities. But she never used those terms and continued with BS like "medical liability" which convinces no-one.
vgman94 3 days ago
@vgman94
"which has many flaws"
The "flaws" which are?
Bluebelle9289 1 day ago
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@chrisscruzzz says: hat girl CLEARLY is not a very educated pro-choice activist!
~~~~~~~~~~~~ What did she get wrong or not know? (smile)
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@vgman94 I simply don't judge that cold expedience is a proper justification for killing an unborn child. All things taken into consideration: individual liberty, the value of human life, the conscious state of the unborn child, etc... I think the balance tips, however slightly, in favor of preserving human life. Of course, extentuating circumstances factor in as well, i.e. medical emergency or rape, but these situations are rare and should be dealt with individually based on their own merits.
huskerfraz 3 days ago
@huskerfraz ""the balance.. tips in favor of preserving human life""
OR ELSE! So what do y'all have in mind. How come none of the pro-lip
candidates are out there saying what should be done about abortion.
Hexl702 3 days ago
@Hexl702 says; "OR ELSE! So what do y'all have in mind. How come none of the pro-lip candidates are out there saying what should be done about abortion."
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Are you even on the same planet as this discussion?
huskerfraz 3 days ago
@Hexl702 says: How come none of the pro-lip candidates are out there saying what should be done about abortion.
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Exactly, and I've been watching for that. Its been the same for the past 30 yrs. They may not agree with abortion, but no one is going to touch it with a ten foot pole, OR poll. LOL
Sueezee1 3 days ago
So you have to be tolerant of people who believe that killing is okay because they have different morals, ok got it
mixedberrypunch 4 days ago
not being funny but its a man doing the interview... how the fuck would he know what it feels like. if he was carrying a kid from a one night stand you think hed be like yay im pregnant lets keep it. no... hed be shitting himself and want rid.
also... yea your killing a human with feelings and emotion if its a bank clerk. a fetus is cells to begin with and if we are gunna talk about cells and killing them then its wrong to kill cancer and wrong to scrub your face as your killing living cells.
th3kill3rbunny 4 days ago
@th3kill3rbunny also. if youve been raped, or molested, or its incest or its gunna be deformed or extremly mentally handicapped then yes i think you certainly have a choice. what if its going to mentally scar you. what if you took every procation and still got pregnant but you took those messures coz you NEVER wanted a kid but it happened anyways? its not fair to make you have it.
th3kill3rbunny 4 days ago
@th3kill3rbunny keep telling yourself that.
liposuctionbuttfat 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat nice comment. you put a lot of thought into it. when you can justify forcing a woman to have a child when she has her reasons not to then come back to me with a valid argument.
th3kill3rbunny 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat I posted on the wrong comment...but with that being said, there are other options besides abortion...and I don't think just not wanting a child is a justifiable cause. There are many people who would love to adopt. Hitler brainwashed and entire nations that it was right to kill the Jews because they weren't people...now the pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetus is nothing more than a lump of cells. I had one a long time ago.
liposuctionbuttfat 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat And not a day goes by where I don't wish that I had done something different.
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@liposuctionbuttfat says: not a day goes by where I don't wish that I had done something different.
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Thats YOUR fault. Dont come in here trying to blame abortion for YOUR regret. Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind. Guilt dosent come from abortion. It comes from YOUR head and YOUR thoughts . Why are you doing that to YOURSELF if thats what you CHOSE?
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat says:There are many people who would love to adopt.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ T You actually mean stop the on e million abortion each yr and possibly have that many up for adoption? That could be 80 million kids in your damned lifetime. Can you even fathom the insanity of that for the kids? Or, like all probirthers, dont you care?
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat says: many people who would love to adopt.
~~~~~~~~~ Then why are there some 300 new babies LIVING in NY hospitals because of no adopters, let alone the number in all other cities? Why are 250,000 up for adoption is the US today, who probably wont be adopted? Whyare there millions upon millions of other kids in other lands that have NO ONE & eat from garbage dumps? Try using your head. This IS NOT about one or two itty bitty babies that meed a good mommy
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Sueezee1
Stupid, so called "pro-choice" logic: Pro-choice desire unwanted babies to survive but they are not ready to take care of them. Such hypocrites.
Let me guess: You desire victims of concentration camps to survive, starving people to survive etc. but you are not ready to take care of them. You are such hypocrite.
odoslawa 1 day ago
@odoslawa Not ready and unable are two differentthings. Also, define an "Adult" fetus. Is it an actual adult human, or a mature fetal stage such as the final trimester? Your arguments are already faulty at the moment, so choose your next words carefully.
vgman94 1 day ago
@vgman94
I regard "adult" fetus as final trimester fetus, that's why i used commas.
I suspect, you make clear distinction: fetus - only human being, sth worse - can be killed; born baby - human/person, sth better - deserve to live. This division is false. Human being is the same like human and a man, for example Polish don't know such division and translate these three words as one - człowiek.
odoslawa 1 day ago
Something that can feel, think, have personality etc. is human, a person, but something that can not feel, think, don't have personality is not human, not a person. The clue is simple: only 3 years ??? and older baby is human, a person as it can think etc., whereas fetus and an infant are not human, persons as they can not think.
More important question is: why killing a fetus is nothing wrong whereas killing an infant is wrong although both fetus and infant are almost the same.
odoslawa 1 day ago
@odoslawa says: why killing a fetus is nothing wrong whereas killing an infant is wrong although both fetus and infant are almost the same.
~~~~~~~~~ The "same" how? I dont diaper a fetus, it cant crawl, eat applasause, own property, have a bank account, an insurance policy and the list goes on..how are they the same?
Sueezee1 1 day ago
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@Sueezee1 says: "when morals are legislated then we'll talk about that"
What the heck are laws then? Are they not, generally speaking, what the gov't has decided that citizens should or should not do? And if you do things that you shouldn't do, usually, you are punished. Of course, we have a temperamental legal system that approves of one action today and disapproves of it tomorrow. You claim abortion is right because it happens to be legal right now, what if it isn't legal tomorrow?
huskerfraz 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 It's the same because it is a life....it feeds, it thrives, it moves, it has DNA, it has a sex (male/female), it has a furture. That's why you need to keep your blood stained NASTY LIBERAL HANDS OFF OF IT!
kimmie6209 1 day ago
@odoslawa A final trimester fetus is questionable. It mostly could feel pain if not for the natural sedatives, and certain abortion methods could possibly break the sedation. However, due to other views of mine (see The Sunset Limited on YouTube for more information), I'm only really against it on the final month and the last 2 weeks of the 8th month. Also, I see "person" and "being" (like human being) as the same.
vgman94 1 day ago
@odoslawa say: . Human being is the same like human and a man.
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What??? "human" means ONLY our catagory of species. It only prove we're not plants!!! Human being is a legal term which means we have rights.
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 So you do believe that potentials lives have rights?
kimmie6209 1 day ago
@odoslawa says, "Let me guess: You desire victims of concentration camps to survive, starving people to survive etc. but you are not ready to take care of them. You are such hypocrite."
wtf - did you think hard about this one? No. I didn't think so.
mylittlekittens 1 day ago
I've not say anybody here told it. I only say it is the same logic.
odoslawa 1 day ago
@odoslawa I do not understand what prochoice/prolife has to do with concentration camps.
mylittlekittens 1 day ago
Three questions about birth to so called pro-choice.
What do you say about the moment when legs are inside mother and head in out of her. What is this creature: half fetus, half baby, some kind of cyborg or what.
Next question about c-section. Creature outside womb is baby, but if I put the baby again inside the womb it turn to fetus or what?
odoslawa 1 day ago
@odoslawa And THIRD question?
mylittlekittens 1 day ago
@mylittlekittens
The third question is: what with preterm born child, eg. 6 month fetus? Because it is nothing more that a fetus taken outside the womb. So there is no reason to call it like that. Tell me now, if killing it is nothing wrong
Anybody have courage to answer three questions?
odoslawa 20 hours ago
@odoslawa
You really didn't think about those before you wrote them, did you?
Bluebelle9289 1 day ago
@odoslawa says: Pro-choice desire unwanted babies to survive but they are not ready to take care of them.
~~~~~~~~~~ Pro life wants them to survive because you love the idea of unwanted, hated and abused kids.
Sueezee1 1 day ago
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huskerfraz 1 day ago
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@Sueezee1
Why are you even still talking? You have added absolutely nothing constructive to this discussion... as I'm sure your next reply will demonstrate... We're all waiting in eager anticipation at the pearls of wisdom about to flow from your glorioius mind...
huskerfraz 1 day ago
@Sueezee1 Abortion is not the answer to a world free of unwanted, hated, and abused children u idiotic nasty bleeding heart liberal. A woman having an abortion does not automatically make her a great mother for her future kids as women who do not have abortions makes them hate, abuse, or unwant their kids. You are such an evil liberal.
kimmie6209 1 day ago
@Sueezee1
Not true. We want them to live because they are humans no matter what others feel to them.
Organizations, that help tortured people, raped children, victims of domestic violence etc. also want them to survive because they 'love" idea of unwanted, hated and abused people. Pro-life are happy from such comparison.
By the way, we wants them to be loved, that's why we help pregnants and unwanted children.
odoslawa 19 hours ago
USA and other law give no rights to fetus so it can be killed. Hungarian law give fetus right to live. Nazis law gave subhumans no right so they can be killed. Fetus can't own property etc. Feudal peasant often couldn't have property etc.
The difference between fetus and infant is based only on law. Tell me, if any state give a fetus right to inherit, have a bank account etc., will you recognize it as a human being.
odoslawa 19 hours ago
Next question:if USA law about humans is right why Nazi law about humans is evil?
If feeling pain is key to abortion, have we right to torture and kill people with analgesia?
From biological view a fetus and infant is almost the same. The only difference is that infant don't use umbilical cord. So if we kill fetus freely we should also kill infant freely.
If you think that any law can decide freely about human right to live than you should also think that Nazis were OK.
odoslawa 19 hours ago
@liposuctionbuttfat says: Hitler brainwashed and entire nations that it was right to kill the Jews because
~~~~~~~~~~ Bull shit. Many loved the idea and didnt need brainwashed, just like with slavery and abortion.
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat says: pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetusa lump of cells.
~~~~~~~~~~ Are you kidding?A women dosent care if its a tuna fish in the interim, if its going to end up being a child she dosent want, then who cares what its made of?You think a woman will suddenly want an unwanted child if she finds out it isnt cells, & by the way, thats what we ALL are made up of, dumbass. Typical probirth bologna!!
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat says: the pro choicers are trying to convince you that abortion is right because an embryo/fetus is nothing more than a lump of cells.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is RIGHT, if a person thinks its RIGHT, you idiot.
Sueezee1 2 days ago
And if someone pro-life says that they don't mind those parts you should tell the person who is incharge of making the decision to ban pro-choice actions cause they sure would want to ban all types of methods, education and any other things that would help people with such difficult choices.
cmm3699 5 days ago
The way people are going about banning pro-choice is that its not just banning abortion, but most people want to ban contraception, plan b, or just things to help someone to have safe, less risky sex, and stuff to give less fortunate people help for them who are having children. That part about the pro-life stance is wrong.
cmm3699 5 days ago
@cmm3699 I'm pro-life and I agree. Their should be contraception and other methods to prevent pregnancies. As a human though, we should realize that even with those, we all assume responsibility that having sex may incur some unattended consequences that will effect other humans. Can you believe some of us pro-lifers believe in a world where people are responsible for their actions.
goatnuts8288 5 days ago
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@goatnuts8288 says: Can you believe some of us pro-lifers believe in a world where people are responsible for their actions.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Can YOU believe some of us pro-choicers believe in a world where kids are wanted & loved? Abortion IS being responsible...having unwanted kids to make born adult happy...... isnt...
Sueezee1 4 days ago
One of my friend's moms had an abortion back in 1973 and to this day she cannot talk about it without crying. Back then she accepted that the fetus was just a blob of flesh, but since then she realized that it had working organs and was sensitive to touch and pain. Every year on the anniversary of her abortion, she can't help but remember her unborn child and how old he or she would have been now, and she regrets it. I don't think personal testimonies lie.
Ollie7707 5 days ago
@Ollie7707 That is true. Personal testimonies don't lie. I have seen at least 3 users on this site who said they're grateful for an abortion and feel free after getting one. Your friend's mother might see this as heartless, but my point is different people react differently. Your friend's mother keepsing thinking about who could've been. The users I met are grateful to have a second chance. Your friend's mom didn't lie, but it doesn't prove whether or not abortion is a wrong-doing.
vgman94 5 days ago
@vgman94 But whether it's wrong or not, a lot of people have serious physical or emotional problems after abortion. That's not a risk I'm willing to take.
But it IS wrong. At what point does a blob of cells become a human? When it has a beating heart? A brain? When it can feel pain? It's asinine to try to convince one's self that a fetus is not human. Absolutely asinine.
Ollie7707 4 days ago
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@Ollie7707 says: a lot of people have serious physical or emotional problems after abortion
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ONLY if they WANT to. Women perpetuate your OWN feeleings. . Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind. Guilt dosent come from abortion. It comes from HER head and HER thoughts. DONT BLAME ABORTION, blame weak women
Sueezee1 4 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: At what point does a blob of cells become a human?
~~~~~~~~ Its always of the human species, what else could it be, plant life???
Sueezee1 4 days ago
@Sueezee1 SAYS="It's always of the human species"
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Of course it is!
And seeing as it exists.And ,,,EXISTING=BEING
That means the fetus IS a human being.
So the killing of a fetus is the murder of a human being.
So tell your daughter that she was right when she said she MURDERED her child and your grandchild .
It might be legal, but so was slavery in some parts of the world.
It's still wrong to anyone that isn't evil
ekajeht 4 days ago
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@Ollie7707 says: lot of people have serious physical or emotional problems after abortion. That's not a risk I'm willing to take.
~~~~~~~~~~ Arent you glad you have that C H O I C E ? So are all other women..leave them to their CHOICE and we'll leave you to yours. Deal?
Sueezee1 4 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: But it IS wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~ Wrong according to WHO? YOU? Yu think YOU are the definer of whats right and wrong for the people of the world? Holy crap!!
Sueezee1 4 days ago
@Sueezee1 Of course I don't think I can decide what's right and wrong, and I know you don't think that either, since I assume that you are more intelligent than that. Anyway, I don't make the rules, I just enforce them. And in reply to your other comment, I was asking you if you agreed that a fetus is 100% human 100% of the time (please acquire some comprehension skills. I'm 16 and I have them. They're handy). That was my point. How is the killing of a human not wrong?
Ollie7707 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: I was asking you if you agreed that a fetus is 100% human 100% of the time
~~~~~~~~ Like I already said and you couldnt comprehend, It sure is, so whats your point, my love?? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent reply. (big grin).
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: How is the killing of a human not wrong?
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First, you have to explain how one would kill a species? Do you shoot it, run it over with a car? Slit a species throat? YOU tell ME honey, THEN I will tell you why its not worng. LOL.Im loving this.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Sueezee1 I'm having trouble locating your point (and even your numerous replies to my comments). Let's skip to the part where you asked why abortion is still legal despite my intelligence. Well, considering I'm not old enough to vote (still have a couple of years), I have little to do with these decisions. However, I can still lobby for what I believe in.
Ollie7707 3 days ago
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@Ollie7707 sas: Let's skip to the part where you asked why abortion is still legal despite my intelligence.
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WHY?? Because you dont want to admit that youre ideas can never change abortion laws? Easy out!!
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 "But it IS wrong". That entire paragraph is wrong. You keep saying "human" over and over as if humans are the only creatures that need or deserve rights. Being human has nothing to do with whether or not it deserves rights. A beating heart doesn't mean it's a being. A worm has 5 hearts, so what does that mean. It can't feel pain until after birth due to natural chemicals keeping it sedated. It becomes a real human when it's born with reasonable questions in the 9th month. That's it.
vgman94 4 days ago
@vgman94 The issue of animal rights is something else entirely. Right now we're talking about human rights to life; please stay on topic. The point is that murderers are punished for killing another person, and this is just. So how is it not just to punish people who kill babies? Anyone who says they're not babies lacks even the most basic knowledge of biology. And yes. Fetuses do respond to touch and can feel pain.
Ollie7707 3 days ago
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@Ollie7707 says: The point is that murderers are punished for killing another person, and this is just. So how is it not just to punish people who kill babies?
~~~~~~~~~~~~ a fetus isnt another person and youre just as ignorant in all the names you post under.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: Fetuses do respond to touch and can feel pain.
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Thats dosent make women want unwanted babies. Next line of BS, please.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Sueezee1 If my parents didn't want me, that wouldn't give them the right to kill me.
Ollie7707 3 days ago
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vgman94 3 days ago
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@Ollie7707 says: If my parents didn't want me, that wouldn't give them the right to kill me.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Jesus christ...another probirther who dosent know what a frickin "right" is. Sweetheart, unless you were born before R V W, then your mommy DID have the "right". God, i hate people who have CHOSEN to be stupid. Why would you do that? For the attention?
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 So how is it not just to punish people who kill babies
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read up on R v W.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: Anyone who says they're not babies lacks even the most basic knowledge of biology.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dosent matter. This is about rights of people,the law, the 5th, 9th, 13th, & 14th Amend.,The Universal Dec. of Human Rights, The Supreme Court, social custom & necessity, Roe v. Wade & NO science. I call it a Ford F 150... and abortion is stil llegal. get a valid argument
Sueezee1 3 days ago
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Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 Nobody of right mind says anything naturally reproducing from a human is not the same species.
We have de facto, the window of pregnancy where it is possible to humanely and without loss to society terminate that potential person if that is what the person carrying it wants.
(98.5% of abortions are before 22 weeks, before awareness circuits are in place and the fetus is unconscious until after birth anyway)
Is this actually any body else's concern but that of the woman or her doctor?
Salinity1001 3 days ago
@Salinity1001 says: "Is this actually any body else's concern?"
The debate concerns whether or not abortion constitutes wrongful death or homicide, which is a concern to society. There are those who, quite reasonably, consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong. Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would seem to be a relevant objection to abortion. Arguments for abortion seem to be less substantial.
huskerfraz 3 days ago
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@huskerfraz says: consider the taking of another human's life for the sake of expedience to be morally wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ According to whose moral code? Yours? Why do you NEVER answer that? is because it will blow your "morals" theory? Come its valid, answer the question.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
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@huskerfraz says: Since the unborn child, or "fetus" (Latin for "child") is, in fact, a living human this would seem to be a relevant objection to abortion.
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Knowing its human dosent make a women want unwanted kids . So, whats your point?
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Sueezee1 "knowing it's human doesn't make a woman want an unwanted child." That statement makes me sick to my stomach. Say someone didn't like you for whatever reason, so they killed you. At the murder trial, your killer said, "I didn't want to deal with Sueezee anymore." And the judge said "Sounds legit--it's your life after all. You shouldn't have to deal with anything or anyone you don't want."
Ollie7707 3 days ago
Ollie, try to understand Sueezee. A human isn't a demigod, nor an extremely rare species. We're mortal like any other life on Earth. The fetus can't think, feel emotions or pain, and unlike a sleeping, comatose, unconscious person, etc, doesn't have an already existing mind, psyche, preferences, personality to regain or people to return to. Sueezee, as you can tell by her writing, has a personality, preferences, emotions, etc. She is a living BEING, a person. A fetus is not, human or otherwise.
vgman94 2 days ago
@vgman94 A fetus can feel pain, you dick!
liposuctionbuttfat 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat Yeah, right. So can plants. And rocks! And AIR!!!! Seriously now, get a life and research the AMA's word on fetal awareness. Fetuses twitch, but can;'t consciously feel pain, you vag.
vgman94 2 days ago
@vgman94
"Adult" fetus does feel pain as it have normal nervous system. Check your information.
odoslawa 1 day ago
@vgman94 I can understand some of what pro-choice activists say, but I have to disagree with you that fetuses do not have personalities/psyches. The personality is determined at conception. Some of the preferences and such are experiential, but most certainly not all.
Thanks for being to-the-point and respectful, though, unlike Sueezee. It makes your arguments much more credible.
Ollie7707 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: That statement makes me sick to my stomach.
~~~~~~~~~~ No one cares, Ollie...its not about YOU and yOUR feelings. When will you grasp that notion?
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: Say someone didn't like you for whatever reason, so they killed you.
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What in the hell is wrong with a person who cannot disconnect from the idea that a living, breathing, loved, loving person does NOT equate to a rice sized embryo(when most abortions are performd)??Thats defined as not being comprehensible in terms of normal mental processes, so you'll always be laughed at by anyone with half a brain. Take alittle pride in yourlsef & the things you say
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Sueezee1 Most abortions are performed when the baby is 2 or 3 inches long. Sometimes even more. Since the baby grows so fast during the first trimester, it's already 2 inches long by 10 weeks. And no, I'm not fighting for MY feelings or emotions; I'm not an unborn baby. There are consequences to actions. I hope you can grasp that. You have unprotected sex, and you may end up with a baby whether you're ready or not. You made the bed and now you're sleeping in it.
Ollie7707 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 I can see we're gridlocked here, so I'm done debating with you (there's only so much I can say in 500 characters, and I'm sick of my email inbox being flooded with 6 different responses from you). It's obvious that in an online debate like this, no one can win. I just hope you grow up, wake up, and smell the coffee sooner or later.
Ollie7707 2 days ago
@Salinity1001 If you agree that it's human, how does it not deserve life? I'm 16, but if I were pregnant, I'd have to acknowledge that my choices involved not just my life, but someone else's. I'm glad my parents didn't decide they didn't want me. And abortions are not "humane." In saline abortions, the mother can feel the child thrashing around in pain inside her for hours before s/he dies. Google image search "aborted fetus" and try to tell me that looks ethical.
Ollie7707 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 OK, well I agree with you in some ways, and since you are divulging age I am 65 and grandfather to boot. Of course I have no desire to influence any of your decision only inasmuch as you use correct info., and are confident with your own decision.
The only time a saline abortion may be used is in third world countries these days, I think. However modern research has proved almost conclusively that a fetus is unconscious till after birth, reflexes dont need consciousness. Pro-choice..
Salinity1001 3 days ago
@Salinity1001 I appreciate your not wanting to change my mind. 3 things to know about me when debating a touchy issue: I'm smart, I'm cocky (see #1), and I'm extremely stubborn. It just makes me sad that so many people have had to die in the name of women's rights. The conscience is an interesting thing. It's not learned, it's not experiential, it's instinctive. And my conscience throws up in its mouth every time it hears the word "abortion."
Ollie7707 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 Ha ha OK smart you are. Being prochoice I support your view. Of course imo anything in the womb is potentially people, so no real people die, its simply an accident of nature, that if not stopped will cause a problem for the host if that is what she feels.
If she is not worried, no probs, simply let it continue to be another person for the host to raise.
Instinct works both ways acherly, whatever works for you at the time - go for it, and best wishes.
Salinity1001 2 days ago
@Salinity1001 So much post-modern thinking in that comment, don't know where to start. It's probably just as well. No one wins in these little youtube debates. Good day to you.
Ollie7707 1 day ago
@Ollie7707 'Post-modern' eh? Well I'll take that as a compliment, so thanks.
The last thing I would like to be thought of, is as a mediaeval dictator.. They have had their day, even as we look around the world..
Salinity1001 1 day ago
@Salinity1001 I don't advocate killing people in the name of God/the Catholic church like a medieval dictator, and I don't believe that truth is relative like a post-modern thinker. Can't we find a happy medium? There is a right and wrong, there are consequences to actions, and we can't just do whatever we feel like doing and say "whatever works."
Ollie7707 1 day ago
@Ollie7707 To be honest I dont want to be part of a happy medium that forces continued unwanted pregnancy and motherhood on a girl or woman, or when dictated to by some superstitious hang over from mediaeval Europe which actually works against its followers. The rights and wrongs are as perceived by the host person concerned for the situation, and with no person in a womb she is the only person that matters - society is not impinged adversly.
The best mothers are surely volunteers for the job?
Salinity1001 23 hours ago
@Salinity1001 The thing about post-modernism that makes people like it so much is it allows for them to make stupid choices with little to no repercussion. You wanted to do the nasty in the back of your deadbeat boyfriend's car and now you're pregnant? You should have been prepared for that. Now you have to deal with it. If you're not ready to be a mom, don't have sex, especially not unprotected. Anyone who doesn't follow that advice is basically volunteering for motherhood.
Ollie7707 7 hours ago
@Ollie7707 OK, but I ask you to bear in mind that all peoples views change throughout life, especially those with active enquiring minds, and rightful within full cognisance of the facts, not bulldust.
Preparedness is not a recipe for 100% predictability granted, and if a girl doesn't want sex for whatever reason, that is fine for her, but may not be for others with different valid views who are prepared - yet sex is no contract to birth - and not volunteering.. It is multifunctional as we know.
Salinity1001 6 hours ago
@Salinity1001 *rightfully
Salinity1001 6 hours ago
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@Ollie7707 says: No one wins in these little youtube debates.
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Pro choice already won. No debate necessary.
Sueezee1 1 day ago
@Ollie7707 says: I'm 16, but if I were pregnant, I'd have to acknowledge that my choices involved not just my life, but someone else's.
~~~~~~~~~~ Thats utterly insane!! A rice sized embryo(when most abortion are preformed) does NOT have a life, as we know life, until birth. How in the hell is your decision going to affect a.......NOTHING? AND,your childish comment means you may have a baby you hate. lets here it for child abusers!!
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: Google image search "aborted fetus" and try to tell me that looks ethical.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its ethical to billions of people, so I guess you have another moot point!!
Sueezee1 2 days ago
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@Ollie7707 says: In saline abortions,
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OMG, they havent done saline abortion in YEARS!! We have new abortion procedures that are faster and more accurate. Isnt it funny you didnt know that, & youre too dumb to research things on your own, and you just follow the old, uneducated probirthers crap? Keep up the good work. Prochoice thanks you for your ignorance.
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: If you agree that it's human, how does it not deserve life?
~~~~~~~~~~~ Humans dont deserve life....human being do. Learn the law or continue promoting your stupidity.
Sueezee1 2 days ago
@Sueezee1 says=" human beings"
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A human fetus ....IS...a human being!
Would you like me to prove it to you ....AGAIN....?
Why is it so hard for you to get it through your fat head?
ekajeht 2 days ago
@Ollie7707 I know how she feels...I've been there...1999. This time of year is very difficult for me.
liposuctionbuttfat 2 days ago
@liposuctionbuttfat I'm sorry to hear that. You should consider mentoring other women and warning them about not going through what you did; I think you have a lot to offer. I can see it just reading a few of your comments. All I have to say is that in calling you names, they're the ones that look stupid for disagreeing with someone with your wisdom and insight.
Ollie7707 2 days ago
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GO PRO-LIFE ! PRO- LIFE Is About Making Abortion ILLEGAL ! "Every Child Deserves A LIFE" STOP Killing Innocent Babies That Never Even Sall Daylight ! YOU Should Start Being PRO-LIFE. If Your Reading This, Yo Momma Went PRO-LIFE ! ACT, BE, THINK, PRO-LIFE !
Younggiesss 5 days ago
This has to be an actress
Anon36912 6 days ago
Since most of abortion law debate revolves around when a child in uter becomes a person with human rights, i'd like to know how some pro-choice advocates think about the Unborn Victims of Violence Act. Is this a contradictory law to you?
SerTitanium42 1 week ago
@SerTitanium42 says: pro-choice advocates think about the Unborn Victims of Violence Act.
~~~~~~~~ Saying that the death of a fetus by someone other than the mother is murder, does confuse things,but, it was Bush Jr;s fault. What did we expect. But, the U V V Act. never uses the term for a fetus that would give it rights NOT to be aborted. Great semantics! We always assume a fetus will be born unless the women (ONLY) decides otherwise. The law is about her, not the fetus
Sueezee1 6 days ago
My last paragraph should have had a period, not a question mark.
But lets see what our Creator says about this issue: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations." Jeremiah 1:5 Well, that seems pretty clear, God knew us before we were even born and while in the womb, He was forming us. That's crystal clear. But as humans, we use many clever excuses to rid ourselves of an unborn, even murder.
1LonePuma 1 week ago
@1LonePuma says:God knew us before we were even born and while in the womb,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ he never says he minds aborting the fetus he knows. Stop lying in the name of God!!!
Sueezee1 1 week ago
@Sueezee1: I'd never lie about such a thing. "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be (Psalm 139:13-16).
1LonePuma 1 week ago
@1LonePuma says: For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb
~~~~~~~~~~~ Where does that say abortion is a sin. STOP LYING IN THE NAME OF GOD.
Sueezee1 6 days ago
@Sueezee1: Are you so dense that you don't understand what murder is? I've already given you his explanation, if however, you are found guilty before God for such a hanus crime, I'm sure you'll experience its consequences up close and personal. You'll have all of eternity to think about it! No matter what you believe, in the eyes of God it's murder and it's His opinion and ruling that had better matter!
regards
1LonePuma 6 days ago
@Sueezee1: --In addition, I’m very much a fan of Tim Tebow, but it wasn’t that long ago that most of America loved God, but a few gay politicians started to attack our faith because they wanted to condone homosexuality and it progressively got worse. Focus on the Family was one of the organizations that stood against them, but there were enough politicians opposing godliness that they eventually got their way. They are also know to have planted disgruntled citizens in the mix.
Regards
1LonePuma 6 days ago
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@1LonePuma says: but it wasn’t that long ago that most of America loved God, but a few gay politicians started to attack our faith because they wanted to condone homosexuality and it progressively got worse.
~~~~~~~~ Well damn! Isnt it a shame that faith crumbled because of a few gay politicians? Listen sweetie, if thats all it took to shake that foundation, then they had problems way before any political agenda. Blame the weak so called "christians", NOT the politicians.
Sueezee1 6 days ago
@Sueezee1 And one last thing. My dear "Sueezee," please stop trying to debate. Your rebuttals are on the same level with trolling, as they are in no way convincing or backed with education and fact, and most of them lack anything like logic. I'm usually not this blatant or rude, but this is called tough love. Join a debate team at your middle school.
Ollie7707 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: Your rebuttals are on the same level with trolling, as they are in no way convincing or backed with education and fact
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LOL Oh yes they are darling. Abortion is legal for all the reasons I talk about. By the way, why cant your intelligent ass make it illegal? ya, thats what I thought.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 says: please stop trying to debate. Your rebuttals are on the same level with trolling,
~~~~~~~~~~ Your school yard bully tactics wont work. Why arent you responding to my comments about abortion? We all know why, dont we? LOL
Sueezee1 3 days ago
@Ollie7707 spews: My dear "Sueezee," please stop trying to debate.
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Your hostility to my comments is a manifestation of your feelings of failure,and mental impotence and totally welcomed.
Sueezee1 3 days ago
The life of a human begins with the donation of each parent. The mother gives the egg and the father fertilizes it. A fertilized egg carries live DNA and the characteristics of each parent. And, when the two are introduced, its life begins, regardless of the size.
People seem to recognize the DNA of a living skin cell, why not a baby, as they both must grow to maturity?
1LonePuma 1 week ago
You could have interviewed someone who actually know's what the hell they are talking about and has done research on the subject before coming to their own conclusion.
JesicaYesicaRosa 1 week ago