This is how it is, therefore if there is no particular order geologists can not determine how old any rock or layer is on the entire face of this planet This is a stupid contradictory analogy to use to attempt to debunk a great flood as there is NO PARTICULAR order in the geological layers of the earth and its formation .Graded bedding in a bucket is NOT the same as the reality of the earths formation.
@BorikeTheBlackDragon "The sedimentary particles predate the rock which they form. Dating the particles which make up the rock wouldn’t give you the age of the rock itself. In addition, the redeposition process upsets the conditions necessary to achieve accurate results through radiometric dating. "
@2karriizman "To carry out radiometric dating, one studies the quantities of specific isotopes of radioactive elements relative to the specific isotopes of the elements into which the radioactive elements decay."
@2karriizman "For example, uranium 235 decays into lead 207. We know the half-life of uranium 235. So, if we find that the amount of U-235 is equal to the amount of lead 207, we can regard the rock as being about as old as the half-life of uranium, which we know to be on the order of 700 million years"
@2karriizman "In other words, when the rock we're studying solidified, the uranium was captured within it. The uranium then turned into lead at a known rate, which also remained captured in the solid rock until we came along and examined it. Knowing the rate allows us to calculate the length of time the uranium has been sitting in the rock."
@2karriizman If I can find the Answer in Wiki answers in 3 minutes, why don't you even know how Radio Carbon Dating works? It doesn't measure the Particles the rock is made up of, It measures the Particles trapped in the rock when they formed. To sum it up Radiometric dating measures the decay of Radioactive elements to determine how long they've been trapped in the rock, and that gives us the age of when those rocks formed. Not when the particles of the Rocks formed. btw source?
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" Radiocarbon dateing beyond 60 000 years there is hardly any radiocarbon left in a sample that is original. In very old material, contamination can significantly affect the accuracy . Dating material from the archaeological or geological record beyond 30 000 years is difficult unless the depositional situation of the sample is favourable & scientists can remove contamination. Even a small amount of c14 from a contaminant can produce an incorrect date in an old sample."
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also /watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
We can gain knowledge can we trust all the knowledge we are taught to believe ? You may well find an answer in Wiki answeres in 3 minutes, is there any guarantee they are all the correct answers? There are reems of debunked scientific theories and its hard for many to accept they have been taught a load of rubbish . Have you personally been involved in the dating of rocks and fossils ?
@2karriizman Debunking Scientific Theories which aren't proven and Lack evidence and Scientific Methods that are Proven and have loads of evidence are two different things. thousands of archeologists would never use a method still in Testing to determine the age of rocks and build scientific thesis on those. Radiometric Dating works because there is loads of Radioactive decay we can analyze and they all point to the same date, given that the half-life is long enough.
@2karriizman The thing about Science and the known laws of Physics is it's all interconnected, we can't say one Law of Physics is wrong without saying everything is wrong. All these Scientific Theories back each other up. we can't say that Newton's Third Law of Motion is wrong without saying everything else is wrong because other scientific laws use the Third Law to work. We know Radiometric dating works because of other Methods that give us the same answer or support our answer.
@2karriizman And to say that everything we learned about science is a load of rubbish is saying that Space Travel, Computer's, Airplanes, Satellites, Television, Indoor Heating, etc. have never been created. Radiometric dating is used to give us a rough estimate of the Date of the rock, but If we use other methods to back us up, like the fact that the layer on top is Measured to be younger and the layer on the bottom is measured to be older, which supports that RM dating works
@2karriizman Have you ever heard of the Iridium Layer? Left behind by the Meteor that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? It has been Dated all over the world at 65 million years and the rocks above said layer all over the world have appeared younger and below older. That's another piece of evidence supporting Radiometric dating works. If it didn't then how did every part of the globe yield the same results?
@2karriizman And I don't need to be a scientist to know about science. People who are involved with the Dating of Rocks have written papers on the subject, which have been peer reviewed, tested and confirmed so that the general population could have access to this wealth of scientific knowledge. If you are going to say that only the scientists can argue their theories? So in that sense you also have no right to argue that is doesn't work because you are not involved either.
@2karriizman Speaking of people not accepting what they have been taught is a load of rubbish? Listen I do believe in God. I believe he created the Universe in the moment of Creation, and he made it run by a score of Natural Laws that would allow life to evolve and look up at the sky and appreciate it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation that can appreciate his Masterful Work.
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" I believe he created the Universe in the moment of Creation, and he made it run by a score of Natural Laws that would allow life to evolve and look up at the sky and appreciate it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation that can appreciate his Masterful Work."
Feel better now after getting all that off ya chest ? God created the universe in a moment ..
@BorikeTheBlackDragon ..the moment of creation ? give or take a few days !6 days and a rest on the7th day !Gods Masterful Work Genesis 1 Why would God bother taking millions of years to create life as we know it, through a random process of evolution ?
@2karriizman The Big Bang only took a millisecond, Besides God is said to be in all places at once, but according to Relativity Time and space are one so God could be in all Times at once. Waiting 13.7 Billion years for the Universe to Form Life doesn't seem like a tall order for a God whose Past, Present, and Future are all one.
@BorikeTheBlackDragon "according to Relativity Time and space are one so God could be in all Times at once. Waiting 13.7 Billion years for the Universe to Form Life doesn't seem like a tall order for a God whose Past, Present, and Future are all one."
A conundrum !! God does not wait as past present and future are all one. God creating mother earth and all life in 6 literal days would have been a walk in the park. God is not handicapped by our perception of time and space, we are.
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation"
Another conundrum ! Life only exists due to symbiosis no organism is an island, life did not evolve it was a Masterful Work of Design and Creation . Good thing God cares to bad humans dont biodiversity has been deminishing since back in the days when Adam wore short pants.
@2karriizman What the fuck happened this started out as Proving or Disproving Radiometric Dating's accuracy now it's a Debate on Ideals what did I do 0_o This is an argument no one can win
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" What the fuck happened this started out as Proving or Disproving Radiometric Dating's accuracy now it's a Debate on Ideals what did I do 0_o This is an argument no one can win"
This debate i thought was all about debunking Noah and the great flood due to the way sedimentary layers are formed! Sedimentary layers are not a valid means to prove there was no global flood as there is no consistency as to where they can be found ie;top of Mt everest.
False. Life exists due to chemistry, under which some arrangements of atoms form self-replicating molecules.
> no organism is an island
Correct, all organisms are embedded in the same rules of chemistry and physics and form part of each other's environments, and this is why gazelle are continually evolving increased speed to keep up with cheetahs doing the same.
@BorikeTheBlackDragon nope but it does to the billions of creatures he created and destroyed in the process. Your inhumane god has met his fate at the hands of his own creations, much like Oranos at the hands of Cronos, and Cronos at the hand of Zeus. So too has God met his end at the hands of man
only problem is this god was a tool humans invented to control the stupid rabble. only they seemed to have overestimated their ability
all "proof" of god comes from the bible, which is the religion of this god. it can not defend itself. it is man-made, not divine, and this 'inherent word of god' is only as strong as the hand that wrote it. it's the use of fear of death that makes it work otherwise.
@2karriizman And I believe that the Universe is too Complex and Perfect to have happened on it's own. I do not believe that the world is 6,000 years old or that the Bible is %100 correct history. I believe that all those stories were Man's early attempt at understanding the World when they did not have any knowledge of it, so they came to terms with what they could and used religious text as guides to Morality and that their desire for a purpose put them in the Center of it all
@2karriizman So yes it is possible to believe that God exists, Created the Universe, Loves us all, that everything science has Proved correct is correct, be Morally good, and live a Happy life. I'm not asking you to give up your belief's but don't go around saying Science PROVEN to be right is not based on nothing but It doesn't co-en-side with the Bible.
Maybe I've missed something, but given the propensity for humans to venerate things deemed holy, wouldn't the actual site of the ark's landing become sacred? One that at least some of the developing "tribes" springing from Noah's family may have tried to preserve,fight over and occupy?(or a petting zoo)Would a grateful group of survivors have abandoned the place gawd set them down for the new beginning? The middle of nowhere shoulda been the center of somewhere but it didn't happen so it's not.
pillow lava can only be formed underwater and is found at the top of Ararat,
there is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of evolution in fact Darwin stated: "if there is an organism found that can not be explained by gradual successive changes my theory will break down"
the irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is exactly that!
check "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" at itbn. otg for real scientific data!
@AttachableEarplugs Right, I won't doubt that pillow lavas have been found at Mt. Ararat... which is at the European-Asian boundary which means -- because those two continents are colliding as evidenced by the fact that Ararat is in fact a mountain -- that those undersea lava flows have been uplifted... ...??
@MultiPaulinator then you believe in the hydo-plate theory? it is the only one that explains everything..fascinating really! did you watch "Unlocking the Mystery of Life"?
there is another one too called "Quest for Noah's ark" at itbn. org that is NOT a religious quest but an archeological one. GOOD STUFF
what is the point when you are doing your experiment to have the water! your point was to disprove the Flood! why use water with the experiment then??? and of anytime you dumb a layer at a time it is going to stay that way a two year old can do that, that is not science!
Nice clip. Many countries reported no flood, ballard proved it was regional, they are still looking for the ark, and oh, Ararat means mountains not which mountain and it happened to be in the same region. As far as the animals, they flew Dino-Air. And, all that water; god pledged a frat and they had a beer party and with 1 day = 1000 years, he loose one day to say piss on you - who clean out those stalls or did god do it and called it holy shit? saving shit is a 1st even for a f in mentalist
lucky for HISCAPSBEKNOWN there's a heaven, because he's sure going to be spending all his earthly time typing the same four sentences over and over in a flaccid attempt at justification on youtube.
For all his smugness and pompous self-important arrogance, Hovind's "professional" credentials basically boil down to this: He taught high school science class for 15 years. And by all accounts, pretty crappily. He's a charlatan and a bold faced liar who doesn't know shit about science. And he's a criminal. Maybe 10 years in the slammer will humble him.
« He taught high school science class for 15 years »
Well, that's what he says anyway. Given the elementary mistakes he makes in debates and sermons regarding even the most fundamental items of knowledge that would be part of the curriculum of high school courses in physics and biology, I doubt his teachings amounted to much more than his videod sermons did.
Why are these people not drawn and quartered? I won't tell anyone that your sedimentation experiment was a cheat and here's why. The experiment was done down under (I can tell by the accent of the trees and leaves) and was thus falling up !
esoriano. wordpress. com search: The Truth About Noah and the Worl Wide Flood
A very enlightening information as well! ;D
The bible does not say it was GLOBAL rather, held only in a certain place on Earth.. the atheists debunked information which is they themselves were ignorant of.
Love the video, that coral head rock at 8:17 is in my front your and is about 6,000 years, the whole was a core by professor Cobb. Keep up the good work, will nominate you to Sainthood
@AS This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model. The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN LOL, those SEDIMENTATION layers would have all the same set of radio isotope ratios which would put them all at the same date. Do you get called a moron very often? Just wondering.
This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model. The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay. DUH
@TJFOOL This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model.The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay
@itchygonads is the King of Fools: Fossiliferous sedimentary layers that cover vast areas of continents and bridge continents with billions of dead flora and fauna before the flora and fauna could rot or be scavenged is the evidence of the judgment of God on a vile and wicked humanity. The cretaceous layer envelops the Earth as undeniable proof that the Earth was completely covered by water since the cretaceous is made of tiny marine skeletons.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Ah its you again, the man who was proven ridiculous so stopped responding.
Making up ridiculous stuff and ignoring the fact this video proves your idea ridiculous and laughable.
No, an idiot would take biblical eye witness acounts, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible. It did not happen, the "eye witnessess" are made up or biased. How did previous history survive? How where the pyramids built only 100 years after? you are a child, and a gullible one at that. goodbye.
@itchygonads is the King of Fools: Fossiliferous sedimentary layers that cover vast areas of continents and bridge continents with billions of dead flora and fauna before the flora and fauna could rot or be scavenged is the evidence of the judgment of God on a vile and wicked humanity. The cretaceous layer envelops the Earth as undeniable proof that the Earth was completely covered by water since the cretaceous is made of tiny marine skeletons.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN You stopped responding via email as you had nothing to say. Now you have just coppied and pasted your previous comment. How embarrassing...even for you.
ONLY A CHILD LIKE MIND BELIEVES THE BIBLE, NOAHS ARK, ADAM AND EVE SO ON.
ONLY A MORON WOULD THINK BIBLICAL WITNESSES ARE RELIABLE OR USEFUL IN ANYWAY. moron.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN You do realize that the very existence of this layer to it's known extent directly refutes the bullshit "BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT"? It's all about chemistry, physics, and math. See, I really don't want to blow your mind out that soft spot on top of your skull, so I'll go slow. The mass and chemical composition of limestone reveals a great amount of heat being released over time. Were it all released during the so-called flood year, there would be no life at all remaining.
@NorthForkFisherman The anti-intellectual. The Cretaceous Layers that envelops the Earth is made up of tiny marine skeletons included in the limestone matrix. This is evidence that marine life existed and was included in the matrix that cemented/hardened.
You say See "It's all about chemistry, physics, and math", well Noah is an eyewitness writer of the Global Flood designed to destroy much of the life God created.
Read creationscience . com/onlinebook/Limestone2 . html
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Yeah, that's kind of the whole point, kiddo. The fact of the chemistry of those skeletons is that it requires an exothermic process to make the calcite in them. Each one is a very tiny addition to the whole equation, but in the masses that they are known to exist, well, the amount of heat released is enough to boil off the oceans. Add to that the other processes like extrusive vulcanism and you end up with a lifeless cinder. (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman HELLO ANTI-INTELLECTUAL. You are therefore agreeing that a lot of life was lost of both flora and fauna as the sedimentary fossiliferous layers indicate. This flora and fauna is trapped in the sedimentary layers on a GLOBAL SCALE. DUH. This means that the sediments were deposited out of flowing water that suddenly buried the flora and fauna on a global scale before decay or scavenging was possible.
You do not know how much heat is required or released. Stop lying storyteller
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "You do not know how much heat is required or released" Bullshit. You seem to forget that the laws of chemistry are known, the laws of thermodynamics are known, and a very great portion of the Earth's surface has been surveyed by geologists, mostly in search of oil. But to be exact, per Poldervaart, Arie, 1955. Chemistry of the earth's crust. pp. 119-144 In: Poldervaart, A., ed., Crust of the Earth, there are approx. 5 x 10^23 grams of limestone in the crust (continued)
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN and the formation of calcite releases 11290 joules/gram, this releases 5.64 x 10^27 joules of heat energy into the environment. Considering that it would only take 3.7 x 10^27 joules to boil off the oceans into vapor that kinda shoots that whole flood thing down right there, unless you think Noah being lobster in a gopherwood "pot" is a survivable option? Considering your responses so far, you might actually think that.
@NorthForkFisherman Lovely how you confidently use figures to support your allegations. From a pragmatic point of view, the Cretaceous Layer is a given. Did all the limestone that was generated boil off the oceans? If a portion of the ocean did boil off as I expect it did whether by an exothermic reaction or the magma released during the mid-Atlantic rift, what would happen to the vapour released into the atmosphere in the closed system of the Earth?Did all the heat released kill all life forms?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Considering that had it actually happened as described in Genesis, it would've. Including Noah, my cerebrally challenged adversary. And please note that I'm only describing one source of heat. We've not discussed either meteor impacts, LIP extrusive volcanic events, or even something as simple as the extent and chemical composition of anhydrite and evaporite formations. Indeed, from just one of these evaporite formations we can falsify Noah's "flood"
@NorthForkFisherman the self-appointed authority. Dear Mr. Delusional NorthForkFisherman,
You make many cheap assertions which you cannot substantiate by actually reproducing what you claim with repeatable experimentation as the scientific method requires.
Therefore, your assertions have no weight. However, Noah is a real person that documented the Global Flood that God used to destroy much of the life on Planet Earth. Are you aware that 90% of species are EXTINCT and 10% are EXTANT?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, core specimens from around the world are housed in various universities and state geologists offices. The rules of chemistry are a bit more than that, they are LAWS and so a given chemical reaction will always produce the same effect. Your protestations to the contrary are irrelevant. I can and have provided data that is free to all to examine and verify. Your response, well it's the equivalent of a slow child sulking in a corner going , "Nuh-uh"! Data or GTFO.
@NorthForkFisherman Wonderful, core samples are available. Wonderful, chemistry observes the rules the Creator ordained for all the Chemical Elements and their reactions.
OH, you want to back down from your obligation to substantiate your loose use of figures. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Produce the experimentation to validate you claims.
The Biblical record is ancient written evidence by eyewitnesses to the events they wrote about. Why does Archaeological evidence continue to support the record?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Chemistry the Central Science, by Brown, Lemay, and Bursten, 10th edition. Might find it in a library where they have real books. And archeology is not geology. Don't confuse the two. A record of folklore is useful in determining history, but not a science text. But seeing as you have problems with definitions, I spelled it out for you. You're quite welcome. Now back to embarrassing you about the biomass issue.
@NorthForkFisherman NEWSFLASH the science of man with his limited capabilities and understanding is continually wrong and being changed. What material do you want to review and will it be truthful?
Science is from the Latin Scientia which means to have knowledge i.e. truthful knowledge.
One cannot have knowledge about events that are only imagined and presumed to have occurred or which cannot occur in defiance of the known laws and principles of science.
@NorthForkFisherman Continuation: Noah is an eyewitness and survivor of the Global Flood event which he documented from his experience. God's objective was to destroy much of the life on planet earth i.e. specifically humanity which was vile in every imagination. The fossiliferous sedimentary layers are full of billions of dead flora and fauna on a GLOBAL SCALE WITH THE LAYERS SPANNING VAST AREAS OF CONTINENTS. THIS IS NOT LOCAL; THIS IS A GLOBAL DEVASTATION. LET ME THINK OR EXPRESS WHAT I THINK
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN CAPS LOCK=No compelling argument or supporting data. And what you "think" is not relevant. What can you prove? What data do you have that will actuall stand up to real scrutiny? Lemme save you some time, duckling......None. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Are you seeing a pattern here, or do I need to spell it out in bright red crayon? And once again, a circular argument is not proof. I'm sure that went over your head however.
@NorthForkFisherman that cannot comprehend. The CAP LOCKS was to get you to digest the point which you gloss over i.e. the Global Flood is substantiated by the Fossiliferous Sedimentary Layers FULL of BILLIONS of DEAD FLORA and FAUNA ALL OVER THE WORLD. DUH. There is nothing local about this devastation.
What circular argument? You are making another unsubstantiated allegation.
Over my head? Another fallacious tactic i.e. appeals to emotion and ridicule.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "What circular argument?" "Over my head?" Man, did I call it or did I call it? Woosh! Right over again. If I have to explain it to you, you won't get it. But let's keep going. You want to play the biomass issue. Good. I was hoping for that. We'll use the data from Whitcomb and Morris. You know them? They're the guys who wrote the The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications back in 1961? Remember them? (continued)
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Already have. twice actually. Pay attention or bugger off, K? Now Whitcomb et al cite the Karoo formation as proof of the Genesis flood, being that it's been surveyed to contain approx 800 billion fossil vertebrates (average size of a fox). Well just one problem with that....math. The earth's surface is only 126 billon acres. Of that, only about 30% is land, giving 37.8 billion acres. Now some of this is mountainous and uninhabiable, but we'll skip that part for now (continued)
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Point 2- More fail. Ref Orogeny. You might want to check on the current location of Thermopylae regarding this point. This is even something that was understood since DaVinci's time.
Point 3: We are in agreement with the exception of scale. River crossings kill hundreds of wildebeest in Africa each year as an example. The work of a flood? Hardly, just the natural cycle working it's self out. And crocodiles. Lots of crocodiles. (continued)
With respect to my point #3; again you did not answer my point at all. YOU FAIL AGAIN. Many animals die in water today and since the flood; they are scavenged and rot/decay without fossilization within sedimentary layers that are becoming rock.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Point 4- In other words, you mean an interpretation that does not agree with your preconcieved notions? Occams Razor very much works against you here. The simplest explanation, all factors considered, is death at crossing sites. There are some that do show catastrophic effects, but really, so what? It's revealed for a very small area and a very small slice of time when all the data is known and considered. Just shows the same process today are those as yesterday. (continued)
Extrapolationism is pseudoscience. One cannot sample a small area to have it speak for all areas. This is pseudoscience. There is enough fossils and formations studied to know that this is patently false and absurd. Why would you use such a fallacious approach?
You are irrational and lack basic discernment/common sense.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Now the Karoo Beds are about 1% of the total sedimentary record so we'll also hold them as 1% of all fossils (we know there are a great many more deposits). So this works out to 2100 animals the size of a fox per acre. And this breaks down to each animal having a range of 18 square feet. Hmmmm. Don't think you could raise a dinosaur in a space that small, now could you? And as we discussed, this is only 1% of the fossil record. Game, set, match to science. Again.
5-Extrapolationism is pseudoscience; you cannot use the concentration of fauna in one area to speak for all the Earth's surfaces due to your fallacious logic in my points 1,2, & 3 above.
You do not have science on your side; you do not have science [firsthand knowledge] about the pre-flood world, or the post flood world, or the events of the Global Flood catastrophe, or how many animals lived on the Earth and where their habitats where!
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, you'll note that where possible and appropriate, I've used creationist sources as a baseline and then done the actual work to show why their hypothesis fails. Now let's work your points 1 thru 5.
1-Again based on Whitcomb and Morris (creationist sources). We both agree that the Earth's surface is quite dynamic, however, you claim a flood which I've already disproven based on heat. Orogeny and vulcanism also add to the heat issue. (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman Your laughable when you said "you claim a flood which I've already disproven based on heat."
Ha Ha Ha. You can use your own logic to disprove anything you like with circular logic and nothing more.
You continually ignore the fact the EVOLUTION DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILS AND UNIFORMITARIAN GEOLOGY DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WHICH CONTAIN BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA BEFORE DECAY OR SCAVENGING WHICH IS VERY QUICK.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, I've proven that I'm a better chemist than you and with nothing more than first year college level data. That is unless you are saying that the laws of chemistry and therefore thermodynamics are wrong? Is that what you are saying? If so, kindly share your Nobel with us, dear boy. You provided nothing more than denials and example that continually show that you don't understand the forces at work. Ergo, you provide opinion, and your opinion, is not proof.
@NorthForkFisherman More Laughable lame comments. Circular Logic is Fallacious; this is what you used to support your claim. You did not answer my pragmatic question which was, did all the lime stone that is in the Cretaceous produce enough heat to kill all the life forms on Earth? The Cretaceous Layer envelops the Earth and contains tiny marine skeletons to prove life existed that died and was buried suddenly and that the whole earth was covered by water.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN The Cretaceous "layer" does not cover the whole earth. It's a time period marked by end of the Jurrasic Tithonian age and extends for 80 million years terminating at the K-T boundry. More creationist geology fail. You've been listening to Vieth, haven't you? Tsk, tsk. He might be worth a damn as a zoologist, but he knows dick about geology, and he shows it. Anyways, regarding the heat issue, oh yes, all that heat was released. It's a law of chemistry (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman NEWS FLASH: The Deep Time assumptions of Uniformitarian Geology is pure lies, hogwash, malarkey, Horse Feathers etc. Charles Lyell in collaboration with the Bone Darwin came up with about 340 Ma of geologic time that Darwin needed. Since then in 100 years it doubled every 15 years to the 4.54 Ga for the Earth.
Did all the heat released kill all the life forms? Will you answer the question? The Cretaceous does envelop the Earth. Vieth is no dimwit and he tell the truth.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN It's obvious by your more and more strdent denials that I've really hit a nerve. Excellent, let's keep pressing on it shall we? "Did all the heat released kill all the life forms?" you ask. Answer: No, because there was no one-year flood for it to be released within. It's a law of chemistry and thermodynamics both that this heat must be released during these chemical reactions, however, the time span far exceeds the prescribed "flood year". Simply math (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman the evil lying evasive atheist. IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU AGREE WITH THE OBVIOUS ANSWER WHICH I HAD TO PRESENT. YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GLOBAL FLOOD EVENT THAT THE EYEWITNESS NOAH EXPERIENCED. NOAH PRESERVED THE AIR-BREATHING LAND-DWELLING LIFE FORMS THAT WERE ABOARD THE ARK. ALL THE OTHER LIFE FORMS, THIS INCLUDES MANY MARINE ANIMALS. DIED AND HAVE BECOME THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS. THE PURPOSE OF THE FLOOD WAS TO DESTROY LIFE AND RESHAPE THE EARTH. DUH
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Writing in CAPS LOCK =/= compelling argument. The more vehement you get with out proof.....the more entertainment value I wring out of you. You really don't get it do you? The question has been answered, but you've so hobbled your mind you wouldn't see it if I smacked you over the head with it. And I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm going for the fencesitters, those who can still think for themselves and can see that YECers/IDiots simply can't respond to the facts.
@NorthForkFisherman THE QUINTESSENTIAL IGNORAMUS. YOU SAY "The question has been answered," THIS IS ONLY IN YOUR REPROBATE ANTI-INTELLECTUAL MIND AND THOSE OF YOUR LIKE PERSUASION. YOU HAVE NO FACTS. ONE CANNOT HAVE SCIENCE WHICH IS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY OBSERVED. ALL SUCH CLAIMS ABOUT EVENTS IN THE DISTANT PAST BECOME PURE SPECULATION FROM A PARTICULAR WORLDVIEW FULL OF PRESUMPTIONS AND OR WILLFUL IGNORANCE, WHEREAS, NOAH IS AN EYEWITNESS SURVIVOR AND WRITER OF THE EVENT.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "NOAH IS AN EYEWITNESS SURVIVOR AND WRITER OF THE EVENT." Noah did not exist. If he did exist, he was a mere mortal and certainly could not see over the horzion. ergo, any assertions on his part (if he actually existed) are fallacy. Amazing what thinking a line of data thru can do for you, neh?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN C'mon, aren't you really pissed off yet. All the facts, the entire Earth testifies directly against what you believe, what you hold most dear, and because it's an inanimate object you can't fight it. How does that feel? To choke down fact after fact with no defence based on reality, just bronze age fantasy and a folktale about a guy and a houseboat. Must really suck to be you right now?
@NorthForkFisherman THE DEFEATED REPROBATE THAT CANNOT DEFEND HIS ALLEGATIONS AND MUST RESORT TO FALLACIOUS LOGIC.
YOU ARE THE STORY TELLER AND PSEUDOSCIENTIST. YOU CANNOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE/SCIENCE ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT NOAH EXPERIENCED. YOU CAN ONLY ERECT STRAW MAN ARGUMENT BASED ON YOUR OWN CIRCULAR REASONING.
THE RIDICULE FALLACY AND APPEAL TO EMOTION IS A BAROMETER OF DEFEATISM.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And one last little thing, "The Cretaceous does envelop the Earth."? No, dear, it doesn't. I can go right to a road cut across from my home and see a direct transition from the Late Carboniferous of Kansas, right into the Pleistocene deposits. No Cretaceous deposits here. It's call an unconformity, but that's geology you just wouldn't understand. Now Vieth may have a degree in zoology, but statements like that show he knows fuckall about basic geology. Or is that just you?
@NorthForkFisherman the ignoramus. The Geologic Column as depicted/illustrated does not exist everywhere or anywhere in the world. Expecting a layer to occur as depicted does not mean it does not exist within the geologic column out or order. DUH. Uniformitarian Geology is a MYTH, A HUMAN FABRICATION CONCOCTED BY EVIL LYING ATHEISTS USING CIRCULAR LOGIC TO NEGATE THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF HISTORY BY EYEWITNESSES.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN More BS on your part, "The Geologic Column as depicted/illustrated does not exist everywhere or anywhere in the world." Bullshit. while it's meant to represent a timescale it does indeed exist. in about, oh, 40 places. Indeed, most of China sits on a basin infilled all the way back to the Precambrian. but the closest to you, in Canada, is the Willitson Basin in the Dakotas. Ref: Robertson Group, 1989. Stratigraphic Database of Major Sedimentary Basins of the World,
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Correct thickness? That's relative. Does it snow in Antartica? The Gobi? The rate of deposition is not a fixed quanta by any means; it's in relation to the surronding landforms. Anyone who say otherwise knows fuck-all about geology (talking about you Veith). And for location, Willitson basin, ND. That's just to start. I'll post the rest after class. My 4.0 requires work.
@NorthForkFisherman WHO IS AVOIDING THE ISSUE AS ALWAYS. I SAID THE GC DOES NOT EXIST EVERYWHERE ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH AS DEPICTED/ILLUSTRATED BY CHARLES LYELL WHO PULLED THIS ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT OUT OF HIS TALE PIPE TO NEGATE THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS I.E. THE JUDGMENT OF GOD ON PLANET EARTH. ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF THIS HISTORICAL FACT? UG IS A MYTH BASED ON A CONSPIRACY I.E. DELIBERATE LIES AND THEREFORE IS AN UNTENABLE PROPOSITION AS MOST GEOLOGIST KNOW IN THE HEART.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And that conclusion is what, boys and girls? NO GLOBAL FLOOD. Sure, there's evidence of local floods all over the place. And some pretty good gully washers that hit regions (Lake Missoula for one). But Global? Nope. And they more they dug, the data they found that made a myth of Noah's pleasure cruise. Now, about your assertion regarding the geological column. You are quite correct in that it is not found everywhere, but this supports geology and falsifies the flood. (cont)
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential MORON. The FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS SPAN VAST AREAS OF CONTINENTS AND BRIDGE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, AND BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA THAT DIED AND WERE BURIED SUDDENLY BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING IT IS PROOF POSITIVE OF A GLOBAL CATASTROPHE OVER A SHORT PERIOD JUST AS THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF SUCH A CATASTROPHE OCCURRED AS GOD PLANNED AS JUDGMENT ON A VILE HUMANITY WHO EVERY IMAGINATION WAS TO DO WICKEDNESS.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Well hello sunshine. See you're ready to play again. Still not on your "A" game? I see a great many assertions with supporting documentation behind them. Ergo, disregarded. Anything that does not have any references is garbage and simply not relevant. Please let us know when you have actual facts and references that support them, K? And BTW, we've already established that there are far too amny fossils in the rock record to support your flood myth. Miss that part?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "I should not have to provide any reference for common knowledge" No dear, it's not common knownledge, and your refusal to provide references simply shows further that you are either parroting some bullshit creationist screed that you do not understand, or you know that you are outright lying and are afraid to be caught. I provide data to support all my claims. Everything is independently verifiable outside this forum, so "citation, please"
@NorthForkFisherman the MORON that needs references for common knowledge. FACE PALM. Do you need references for the existence of FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS?
IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE INDEED IGNORANT OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS. “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” Darwin
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And so we start with the quote mines, further reinforcing your intellectual bankruptcy and the cravenness of the YECer.And had you actually read you would've seen that this is a question that he goes on to answer in some detail with discussions of both the rarity of older, unmodified rocks, the Signor-Lipps effect, and some (to Darwin) recently found formations that show early life. This exercise was further born out by the discovery of the Ediacaran Fauna.
@NorthForkFisherman the evasive EVIL LYING AGNOSTIC which is a MORONIC position; grow a spine and take an truthful position i.e. only a True and Living God could and did create all that exists since lifeless and mindless chemical elements cannot contrive anything without cognizance. Are you intelligent enough to realize this?
Darwin had no evidence and it does not exist because pond scum to you evolution never happened; it is merely presumed.
Fossiliferous sediment was known by Darwin ...You?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "Who is WE?" Myself and every other geologist/paleontologist who's looked at this problem. Even from the small part we've excavated so far, the total amount of entrained carbon from biomass surpasses any envrionment that could produce it in the time frame required by Genesis literalists. But that certainly doesn't stand in their way of bollocksing up the works, now does it? So figure out that rainforest part yet, or do you need some help?
@NorthForkFisherman "Who is WE?" "Myself and every other geologist/paleontologist who's looked at this problem."
You cannot have science/knowledge about the world before the Global Flood; you do not have direct observation, testing, documentation and you cannot reproduce these events; you do not know why, how, when, how much time etc.
EVERY ASSERTION IS PURE SPECULATION I.E. A FALLACIOUS BARE ASSERTION AND THEREFORE UNSCIENTIFIC.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "You cannot have science/knowledge about the world before the Global Flood;" Flood did not happen, and major forensics fail. You sure you're not homeschooled? We've already demonstrated there was no flood. You cannot exaplin away all that heat, so you try to deny it and change hte subject. Hell, I can falsify the flood with just ONE rock formation using the same tools of chemistry, physics, and math.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN The reason that this falsifies the flood is that, had it happened, the column would be everywhere. It is, as you already have stated, not. Rather what is found is an accumulation of sediments found in basins in accordance with the precepts of geology and the processes that shape the Earth today. And like I said, there are about 40 basins all over the planet where this is also illustrated. I'll forgo the part about conspiracies, we already know you're crackers on this.
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential MORON obligated to the myth of UG. Laughable. A basin is not a vast area the span the majority of continents and today they are not forming billions of fossils of flora and fauna since the flora and fauna will decay or be scavenged. DUH and Double Duh FACE PALM.
Are you not aware of Charles Lyell and his deliberate deception of long ages to negate the Biblical record of the Global Catastrophe and recent creation? EDUCATE YOURSELF with real history!
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN However, if all that heat were released at one point in time (during the bogus flood year) there would be no life left on the slagged cinder that Earth would've become. And this is only one source of heat. We've come nowhere near covering the LIPs or other igneous events, much less impacts and the their thermodynamics. And finally, you are aware there are buried deserts? Evaporite and anhydrite deposits? Well, you are now.
@NorthForkFisherman the evasive Evil Lying Atheist. I did not ask you to tell what-if stories. I asked a very simple and pragmatic question; did all the heat released in the formation of the cretaceous layers destroy all the life forms on planet earth? Do you know how much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period?
I will answer both of the questions for you since you are an evasive liar. The answer is NO to all 3 questions! YOUR OPINION/MATH IS WORTHLESS.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "YOUR OPINION/MATH IS WORTHLESS." Whooo-hoo, somebody is feeling the burn now, aren't they? You mean that you can't do the math and understand what it means. That's all right. we don't all grow up to be molecular biologists, now do we? I mean somebody has to flip the burgers, right? Math is the one pure, clear science in the universe that can be said to give absolute proof, and the numbers, they don't lie. Too much heat, too little time. Noah, falisified again. (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman who loves his fallacious logic i.e. the bare assertion, appeal to ridicule and emotion, straw man, ad hominem
Where's the math? How much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period? Did this heat destroy all the life forms? ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN All ready have. At length. Perhaps you missed it? Do I need to write it in big red crayon for you? OOOOPS, YT doesn't support that. It's not my fault you're, well, impaired. Adopting a YEC mindset is the closest thing you can get to a lobotomy, or your money back. And if it;s something inflicted on a child? That's abuse by anyone's measure.Our ability to think critically is a vital part of being a citizen of the 2st century versus a subject of supersititon like you.
@NorthForkFisherman STOP LYING EVIL AGNOSTIC. ANSWER MY QUOTE BELOW AND STOP THE AD HOMINEM ATTACKS AND RIDICULE FALLACY. ARE YOU AN ANTI-INTELLECTUAL?
"Where's the math? How much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period? Did this heat destroy all the life forms? ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP."
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP."
Already have my fervent and somewhat befuddled foe. And I'll not repeat myself. If you have difficulty reading our discourse, how is that my problem? Keep yelling all you want, I can do this all day. Well not all day, I've got classes to prep for. And that's far more important that you are.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 5.64 x 10^27 joules over 500 million years. And obviously, no, life still exists. And knock off the CAPS LOCK now you just look crazy as bugfuck.
Or better yet, don't. You help prove my point with every overheated word you write. Well, off to class.Toodles, darling.
The Global Flood of Noah that Noah documented in the Bible as an eyewitness survivor; and, which God documented, if you will, in the Fossiliferous Sedimentary Layers with Billions of dead flora and fauna buried suddenly by water borne sediment before decay and scavenging would have eliminated this fossilized record of biological life is not bogus. Youtube . com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ
Evidence of Noah's Ark which matches the Biblical size & location
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And finally, your "proof" (watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ). Thanks for handing this too me on a silver platter, my sad little ape decendant. That lovely little formation @ 11:17? That's a hogback. A common erosional feature found at the root of worn down mountains. They are all over the Appalachains (hence the name). So let's see what you've accomplished so far: Failed basic math, physics, chemistry, and geology! Go back to school, cause you won't even get a copy of our crappy home game.
YOU LACK BASIC COMPREHENSION. DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED? LIST IT PLEASE. WHY DOES THE SIZE, SHAPE, AND LOCATION MATCH THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ARK?
PROVIDE A LINK TO A HOGBACK IN THE APPALACHIANS THAT MATCHES THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE ARK ON THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT WHICH BTW THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IS THE ARK.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
A CIVILIZED MAN DOES NOT USE FALLACIOUS LOGIC. WHY DO YOU?
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN What the Turkish Govt believes or doesn't believe is irrelevant. Politicians are simply not geologists, they play to the crowd. Now, ref Golden Science Guides, Landforms, Adams and Wyckoff, 1971, page 80. Lovely picture, and an exact match to the hogback in Turkey. Or are there two arks? Hmmmm. Do you think the Earth is lying to you? And BTW, I got that book when I was a kid. Just as relevant today, hon.
YOU LACK BASIC COMPREHENSION. DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED? LIST IT PLEASE. WHY DOES THE SIZE, SHAPE, AND LOCATION MATCH THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ARK?
PROVIDE A LINK TO A HOGBACK IN THE APPALACHIANS THAT MATCHES THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE ARK ON THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT WHICH BTW THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IS THE ARK.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And finally, your title for me: "THE EVIL LYING ATHEIST", uh, Thanks. Your opinion of me means Sooooooo Much! /sarcasm. Evil is a very relative term and so, discarded. Lying however is very relevant, so let's discuss that. All my references are available to the public so that they can examine the data and do the math. It's not even college level. Finally: atheist? Agnostic actually. There may be deity of some sort, but that's not my concern. Genesis is not literal. Suck it.
@NorthForkFisherman the AGNOSTIC which is the position of the MORON. When will you get off the fence?
"Genesis is not literal." is the bare assertion fallacy. "All my references are available to the public ... and do the math." is fallacious circular reasoning and has no weight on the actual events that occurred during the Global Flood that produced the fossiliferous sedimentary layers including the Cretaceous.
When you promulgate lies using fallacious logic, you are lying which is EVIL.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN In other words, blah blah blah you can't respond with any data so "BURN THE WITCH". You really are so much fun. And asserting a flood when you have yet to one, refute any data of mine, and two, provide any peer-reviewed data support your postion is well, funny as all get out. I'm glad we're having this conversation. Really.I want people to see just how angry and frightened of the facts people like you really are. A hearbeat away from being another tony48219, no doubt there.
YOUR MATH DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WITH BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA THAT WAS SUDDENLY BURIED BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING WOULD ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF FOSSILIZATION. DUH. UNIFORMITARIAN GEOLOGY DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WITH BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA AND NEITHER DOES EVOLUTIONISM. GOD'S JUDGMENT ON A VILE SINFUL WORLD DID.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Are we back to the biomass issue? You have already seen, based on data that comes stright from you silly-assed creationists that's a fail already? What's the definition of insanity? Same thing over and over again, expecting a different result? Yep, that sums it up. Wonder who that might apply to here? Hmmmmm......At any rate, you silly hairless ape, I'm all about evidence. But, I've got a chem class to prep for, and you'll still be here. With no facts, and no clue. I'll be back.
@NorthForkFisherman ARE YOU AVOIDING THE ISSUE AGAIN? THE BIOMASS I.E. BILLIONS OF FLORA & FAUNA LOCKED IN THE SEDIMENTARY FOSSILIFEROUS LAYERS IS BUT A MAJOR EVIDENCE OF THE GLOBAL FLOOD. I ALREADY TOLD YOU NOT TO USE THE OPINIONS OF OTHER CREATIONISTS TO SET-UP YOUR STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS. I'M USING THE BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE SURVIVOR, WHO WAS NOAH. CHECK WHAT HE SAID AND DID BASED ON GOD'S DIRECTION TO PRESERVE LIFE FORM THE CATASTROPHE DESIGNED TO DESTROY LIFE AND RESHAPE THE EARTH.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And back to the biomass issue again. I love this part, as you YECer/IDiots don't really understand the implications of this data. Shallow thinkers all. Bluntly put, there are too many fossils to support your claims. Known coal reserves represent 15 x 10^18 grams of carbon in the Earth's crust. Now, an acre of tropical rainforest contains about 525 kg of plant matter per sq/m. Given that plant cells are about 18% carbon (continued)
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential "Shallow thinker", MORON and lover of FALLACIOUS TACTICS. It is your STRAW MAN argument based on circular logic that has bound you in foolish thought.
The World the Noah lived in was a lush temperate climate throughout the world; the land mass was much greater with more liveable habitats. This is confirmed by the biomass found at the poles with tropical and subtropical flora and fauna.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Ooooh, nice try. But ....swing and a miss. You really don't get it do you? Let's try this again using small words. Rainforest only. Now, chuckles, do you understand why this in and of itself falsifies your flood myth?
@NorthForkFisherman MORON. "Rainforest only... do you understand why this in and of itself falsifies your flood myth?” It does not falsify the Global Flood of Noah which he survived and document some 4300 years ago. Were you there?
ALL OF YOUR FALLACIOUS LOGIC CANNOT DENY THE DEATH OF BILLIONS OF LIFE FORMS THAT LOCKED IN THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS THAT SPAN VAST AREAS OF THE WORLD BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING.
GOD'S PURPOSE FOR SENDING THE GLOBAL FLOOD WAS TO DESTROY VILE HUMANS.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "Were you there?" You bet your ass I was, because there is also here, and events leave their traces upon the land. This is the basis of forensic science, and history is all about the forensics, dear. And like I said, a book that selfreferences is not proof. It's garbage, and rejected.
@NorthForkFisherman STOP LYING MORON; YOU WERE NOT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED, TO SEE HOW IT HAPPENED, TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED IN ALL OF ITS STEPS, AND YOU CANNOT REPRODUCED THESE EVENTS WITH FORENSIC SCIENCE. YOU ARE TOO SMALL FOR THIS SCALE OF A CATASTROPHE. FACE PALM.
THE BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL BOOK THAT DOCUMENTS EVENTS THAT HAPPENED BY THE EYEWITNESSES. TO DENY THIS FACT IS TO BE WILLINGLY IGNORANT, A REVISIONIST HISTORIAN AND AN EVIL LYING REPROBATE.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "YOU CANNOT REPRODUCED THESE EVENTS WITH FORENSIC SCIENCE. YOU ARE TOO SMALL FOR THIS SCALE OF A CATASTROPHE." The Laws of Physics and Chemistry are just that. Scale is irrelevant to them and their effects are cumulative. Remember, we've not looked at all the heat input. The Earth, being an inanimate object, cannot lie. The chemistry and physics are quite clear. And no amount of more and more hysterical use of CAPS LOCK will make it so.
@NorthForkFisherman The Laws of Physics & Chemistry are only possible in a world that is created with logic and order i.e. God's Creation. A chaotic happenstance world based on the philosophical view of materialism is world that science is not possible. The scientific method requires the direct observation, testing, documentation and reproduction of phenomenon that repeats. Historical science so-called can only look at the evidence and speculate/story tell since history does not repeat.
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN ok, that was a little mean and unnecessary. i get frustrated with you humans, you disappoint me so. do you not see the shortcomings in your logic when you chastise scientists for using the available evidence to understand things they weren't around to physically witness while talking about your skyman - incidentally among the least provable concepts imaginable - as though sighted and verified fact? also, the bible science book? ok, give me two pigeons, i'll cute a leper.
@matthewktube the quintessential Ignorant ATHEIST and Pseudoscientist i.e. lover of LIES.
NEWSFLASH:
-ALL THE EVIDENCE IS COMMON TO ALL WORLDVIEWS; THE ISSUE IS THE STORYTELLING ABOUT WHAT THE EVIDENCE MEANS/SUPPORTS. DUH
-LEPER WERE NOT CURED BY PIGEONS; YOU MUST BE ILLITERATE AND CANNOT READ. LEPERS WERE ANNOUNCED TO HAVE BEEN CLEAN BY INSPECTION BY THE PRIESTS WHO THEN CEREMONIALLY PROCLAIMED THEM TO BE CLEAN OF LEPROSY TO THE COMMUNITY.
genesis said there were giants and unicorns before the flood
ok. where are their fossils, then?
infernalone666 4 days ago
Graded bedding
1 distinct layers
2 different types of rock
3 No particular order.
This is how it is, therefore if there is no particular order geologists can not determine how old any rock or layer is on the entire face of this planet This is a stupid contradictory analogy to use to attempt to debunk a great flood as there is NO PARTICULAR order in the geological layers of the earth and its formation .Graded bedding in a bucket is NOT the same as the reality of the earths formation.
2karriizman 1 week ago
@2karriizman Radio Metric Dating of Rocks found on these Layers don't exist huh?
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago in playlist Creationists Debunked
@BorikeTheBlackDragon "The sedimentary particles predate the rock which they form. Dating the particles which make up the rock wouldn’t give you the age of the rock itself. In addition, the redeposition process upsets the conditions necessary to achieve accurate results through radiometric dating. "
2karriizman 1 week ago
@2karriizman "To carry out radiometric dating, one studies the quantities of specific isotopes of radioactive elements relative to the specific isotopes of the elements into which the radioactive elements decay."
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman "For example, uranium 235 decays into lead 207. We know the half-life of uranium 235. So, if we find that the amount of U-235 is equal to the amount of lead 207, we can regard the rock as being about as old as the half-life of uranium, which we know to be on the order of 700 million years"
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman "In other words, when the rock we're studying solidified, the uranium was captured within it. The uranium then turned into lead at a known rate, which also remained captured in the solid rock until we came along and examined it. Knowing the rate allows us to calculate the length of time the uranium has been sitting in the rock."
wiki.answers . com/Q/What_do_scientists_use_to_determine_the_ages_of_rock_within_a_rock_layer
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman If I can find the Answer in Wiki answers in 3 minutes, why don't you even know how Radio Carbon Dating works? It doesn't measure the Particles the rock is made up of, It measures the Particles trapped in the rock when they formed. To sum it up Radiometric dating measures the decay of Radioactive elements to determine how long they've been trapped in the rock, and that gives us the age of when those rocks formed. Not when the particles of the Rocks formed. btw source?
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" Radiocarbon dateing beyond 60 000 years there is hardly any radiocarbon left in a sample that is original. In very old material, contamination can significantly affect the accuracy . Dating material from the archaeological or geological record beyond 30 000 years is difficult unless the depositional situation of the sample is favourable & scientists can remove contamination. Even a small amount of c14 from a contaminant can produce an incorrect date in an old sample."
2karriizman 1 week ago
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also /watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman Sorry i goofed in my summary I said Radio Carbon I meant Radio Metric and It has a half life 700 million years if you bothered to read my Comments to begin with.
I'm just going to bed so If I take a couple of hours to respond to your response also watch?v=APEpwkXatbY deals all about Carbon Dating
but Radiometric dating is reliable and different from Carbon Dating just to add here, but I guess It was my mistake for typing Carbon instead of Metric.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon Google Radiometric Dating Methods Sean D. Pitman M.D.
We can gain knowledge can we trust all the knowledge we are taught to believe ? You may well find an answer in Wiki answeres in 3 minutes, is there any guarantee they are all the correct answers? There are reems of debunked scientific theories and its hard for many to accept they have been taught a load of rubbish . Have you personally been involved in the dating of rocks and fossils ?
2karriizman 1 week ago
@2karriizman Debunking Scientific Theories which aren't proven and Lack evidence and Scientific Methods that are Proven and have loads of evidence are two different things. thousands of archeologists would never use a method still in Testing to determine the age of rocks and build scientific thesis on those. Radiometric Dating works because there is loads of Radioactive decay we can analyze and they all point to the same date, given that the half-life is long enough.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman The thing about Science and the known laws of Physics is it's all interconnected, we can't say one Law of Physics is wrong without saying everything is wrong. All these Scientific Theories back each other up. we can't say that Newton's Third Law of Motion is wrong without saying everything else is wrong because other scientific laws use the Third Law to work. We know Radiometric dating works because of other Methods that give us the same answer or support our answer.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman And to say that everything we learned about science is a load of rubbish is saying that Space Travel, Computer's, Airplanes, Satellites, Television, Indoor Heating, etc. have never been created. Radiometric dating is used to give us a rough estimate of the Date of the rock, but If we use other methods to back us up, like the fact that the layer on top is Measured to be younger and the layer on the bottom is measured to be older, which supports that RM dating works
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman Have you ever heard of the Iridium Layer? Left behind by the Meteor that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago? It has been Dated all over the world at 65 million years and the rocks above said layer all over the world have appeared younger and below older. That's another piece of evidence supporting Radiometric dating works. If it didn't then how did every part of the globe yield the same results?
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman And I don't need to be a scientist to know about science. People who are involved with the Dating of Rocks have written papers on the subject, which have been peer reviewed, tested and confirmed so that the general population could have access to this wealth of scientific knowledge. If you are going to say that only the scientists can argue their theories? So in that sense you also have no right to argue that is doesn't work because you are not involved either.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman Speaking of people not accepting what they have been taught is a load of rubbish? Listen I do believe in God. I believe he created the Universe in the moment of Creation, and he made it run by a score of Natural Laws that would allow life to evolve and look up at the sky and appreciate it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation that can appreciate his Masterful Work.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" I believe he created the Universe in the moment of Creation, and he made it run by a score of Natural Laws that would allow life to evolve and look up at the sky and appreciate it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation that can appreciate his Masterful Work."
Feel better now after getting all that off ya chest ? God created the universe in a moment ..
2karriizman 1 week ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon ..the moment of creation ? give or take a few days !6 days and a rest on the7th day !Gods Masterful Work Genesis 1 Why would God bother taking millions of years to create life as we know it, through a random process of evolution ?
2karriizman 1 week ago
@2karriizman The Big Bang only took a millisecond, Besides God is said to be in all places at once, but according to Relativity Time and space are one so God could be in all Times at once. Waiting 13.7 Billion years for the Universe to Form Life doesn't seem like a tall order for a God whose Past, Present, and Future are all one.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
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@BorikeTheBlackDragon "according to Relativity Time and space are one so God could be in all Times at once. Waiting 13.7 Billion years for the Universe to Form Life doesn't seem like a tall order for a God whose Past, Present, and Future are all one."
A conundrum !! God does not wait as past present and future are all one. God creating mother earth and all life in 6 literal days would have been a walk in the park. God is not handicapped by our perception of time and space, we are.
2karriizman 6 days ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon" it's beauty and Design. I believe he cares for any such life that has evolved in his Universe as they are part of his Creation"
Another conundrum ! Life only exists due to symbiosis no organism is an island, life did not evolve it was a Masterful Work of Design and Creation . Good thing God cares to bad humans dont biodiversity has been deminishing since back in the days when Adam wore short pants.
2karriizman 6 days ago
@2karriizman What the fuck happened this started out as Proving or Disproving Radiometric Dating's accuracy now it's a Debate on Ideals what did I do 0_o This is an argument no one can win
BorikeTheBlackDragon 6 days ago
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@BorikeTheBlackDragon" What the fuck happened this started out as Proving or Disproving Radiometric Dating's accuracy now it's a Debate on Ideals what did I do 0_o This is an argument no one can win"
This debate i thought was all about debunking Noah and the great flood due to the way sedimentary layers are formed! Sedimentary layers are not a valid means to prove there was no global flood as there is no consistency as to where they can be found ie;top of Mt everest.
2karriizman 6 days ago
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@2karriizman
> Life only exists due to symbiosis
False. Life exists due to chemistry, under which some arrangements of atoms form self-replicating molecules.
> no organism is an island
Correct, all organisms are embedded in the same rules of chemistry and physics and form part of each other's environments, and this is why gazelle are continually evolving increased speed to keep up with cheetahs doing the same.
> back in the days when Adam
The human population was never two people.
rkyeun 1 day ago
@BorikeTheBlackDragon nope but it does to the billions of creatures he created and destroyed in the process. Your inhumane god has met his fate at the hands of his own creations, much like Oranos at the hands of Cronos, and Cronos at the hand of Zeus. So too has God met his end at the hands of man
geetarthrasher 5 days ago
@geetarthrasher
only problem is this god was a tool humans invented to control the stupid rabble. only they seemed to have overestimated their ability
all "proof" of god comes from the bible, which is the religion of this god. it can not defend itself. it is man-made, not divine, and this 'inherent word of god' is only as strong as the hand that wrote it. it's the use of fear of death that makes it work otherwise.
infernalone666 4 days ago
@2karriizman And I believe that the Universe is too Complex and Perfect to have happened on it's own. I do not believe that the world is 6,000 years old or that the Bible is %100 correct history. I believe that all those stories were Man's early attempt at understanding the World when they did not have any knowledge of it, so they came to terms with what they could and used religious text as guides to Morality and that their desire for a purpose put them in the Center of it all
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
@2karriizman So yes it is possible to believe that God exists, Created the Universe, Loves us all, that everything science has Proved correct is correct, be Morally good, and live a Happy life. I'm not asking you to give up your belief's but don't go around saying Science PROVEN to be right is not based on nothing but It doesn't co-en-side with the Bible.
BorikeTheBlackDragon 1 week ago
Maybe I've missed something, but given the propensity for humans to venerate things deemed holy, wouldn't the actual site of the ark's landing become sacred? One that at least some of the developing "tribes" springing from Noah's family may have tried to preserve,fight over and occupy?(or a petting zoo)Would a grateful group of survivors have abandoned the place gawd set them down for the new beginning? The middle of nowhere shoulda been the center of somewhere but it didn't happen so it's not.
Unit63 1 week ago
pillow lava can only be formed underwater and is found at the top of Ararat,
there is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of evolution in fact Darwin stated: "if there is an organism found that can not be explained by gradual successive changes my theory will break down"
the irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is exactly that!
check "Unlocking the Mystery of Life" at itbn. otg for real scientific data!
AttachableEarplugs 1 week ago
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@AttachableEarplugs
« and is found at the top of Ararat »
Reference.
« there is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of evolution »
Wrong on two counts: evolution is observed, the basic hypotheses of evolutionary theory is supported by all available data.
« the irreducible complexity of the bacterial flagellum is exactly that! »
Indeed: it is 1) not irreducibly complex, and 2) irreducible complexity itself fails as an argument.
XGralgrathor 1 week ago
@AttachableEarplugs Right, I won't doubt that pillow lavas have been found at Mt. Ararat... which is at the European-Asian boundary which means -- because those two continents are colliding as evidenced by the fact that Ararat is in fact a mountain -- that those undersea lava flows have been uplifted... ...??
You contradict yourself.
MultiPaulinator 1 week ago
@MultiPaulinator then you believe in the hydo-plate theory? it is the only one that explains everything..fascinating really! did you watch "Unlocking the Mystery of Life"?
there is another one too called "Quest for Noah's ark" at itbn. org that is NOT a religious quest but an archeological one. GOOD STUFF
(what contradiction?)
THE BIBLE IS RIGHT!
AttachableEarplugs 1 week ago
@AttachableEarplugs You're joking, right? I mean, I'd actually give you more credit if you were being facetious.
MultiPaulinator 1 week ago
@AttachableEarplugs Btw the bacterial flagellum did in fact evolve and is therefore not irreducibly complex, sorry pal try again.
TioPhillippe 1 week ago
155 people are fucking stupid.
ThinkingReality 2 weeks ago
maaan that hovind should be jailed! Oh wait- he was!!!!
dancingnancy09 2 weeks ago
@dancingnancy09 Yes, but for the wrong reason.
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@InternetDarkLord yes quite so-unfortunately!
dancingnancy09 1 week ago
what is the point when you are doing your experiment to have the water! your point was to disprove the Flood! why use water with the experiment then??? and of anytime you dumb a layer at a time it is going to stay that way a two year old can do that, that is not science!
Nathan8Lealiou 2 weeks ago
Arguing with a Creationist is like wrestling a pig. In the end, you're both covered in shit and the pig is still a pig.
paramattic70 2 weeks ago
Theres nothing scarier than religion, the one thing i dont like about the US :(
Chrish2213UK 2 weeks ago
Nice clip. Many countries reported no flood, ballard proved it was regional, they are still looking for the ark, and oh, Ararat means mountains not which mountain and it happened to be in the same region. As far as the animals, they flew Dino-Air. And, all that water; god pledged a frat and they had a beer party and with 1 day = 1000 years, he loose one day to say piss on you - who clean out those stalls or did god do it and called it holy shit? saving shit is a 1st even for a f in mentalist
alantenore 2 weeks ago
It's magic dude. Put on your wizard hat and hop aboard! LOL
robotpanda77 3 weeks ago
aww come on everyone knows God shrank all dem aminals and feeded da lions soy bergers (fyi typos are intentional)
philosophicalreason 1 month ago
Funny how all animals alive were within walking distance of a 900 year old guys house. bullshit.
radioactiveego 1 month ago
lucky for HISCAPSBEKNOWN there's a heaven, because he's sure going to be spending all his earthly time typing the same four sentences over and over in a flaccid attempt at justification on youtube.
matthewktube 1 month ago
@radioactiveego What else did you discover in the KT boundary?
pillowhole 1 month ago
For all his smugness and pompous self-important arrogance, Hovind's "professional" credentials basically boil down to this: He taught high school science class for 15 years. And by all accounts, pretty crappily. He's a charlatan and a bold faced liar who doesn't know shit about science. And he's a criminal. Maybe 10 years in the slammer will humble him.
88rat88 1 month ago
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« He taught high school science class for 15 years »
Well, that's what he says anyway. Given the elementary mistakes he makes in debates and sermons regarding even the most fundamental items of knowledge that would be part of the curriculum of high school courses in physics and biology, I doubt his teachings amounted to much more than his videod sermons did.
MrGralgrathor 1 week ago
Why are these people not drawn and quartered? I won't tell anyone that your sedimentation experiment was a cheat and here's why. The experiment was done down under (I can tell by the accent of the trees and leaves) and was thus falling up !
cheers
nedladdy 1 month ago
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Please do visit..
esoriano. wordpress. com search: The Truth About Noah and the Worl Wide Flood
A very enlightening information as well! ;D
The bible does not say it was GLOBAL rather, held only in a certain place on Earth.. the atheists debunked information which is they themselves were ignorant of.
kratos3443 2 months ago
Love the video, that coral head rock at 8:17 is in my front your and is about 6,000 years, the whole was a core by professor Cobb. Keep up the good work, will nominate you to Sainthood
AtollSurfer 2 months ago
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@AS This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model. The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
see the four part video of stratification expirements in a lab that exposes Potholer54debunks as a fraud.
youtube . com/watch?v=5PVnBaqqQw8&feature=channel_video_title
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 3 months ago
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@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN LOL, those SEDIMENTATION layers would have all the same set of radio isotope ratios which would put them all at the same date. Do you get called a moron very often? Just wondering.
ExtantFrodo2 2 months ago
This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model. The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay. DUH
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 3 months ago
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@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Where does the Bible say anything about violent flows in any directions? I missed that part!
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN LMAO!!
thejadedfool 2 months ago
@TJFOOL This video uses the Straw man fallacy by misrepresenting what the sedimentary layers would look like according the Global Flood model.The Flood would not produce a single layer like this MORON lies about. In fact what the geology shows is actually what the flood model would expect. The flood model does not claim a single sedimentary event MORON. The Global Flood was a 1 yr. process that was violent with flows in many directions and at different times to bury flora and fauna before decay
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Thank you.
BipolarPics 2 months ago
test
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 3 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN fail
InternetDarkLord 2 months ago
The stupidest video in the world!!
bibleboy127 3 months ago
@bibleboy127 No it isnt, this man has proven false the idiotic thing you believe...thats all you have to say? fool.
itchygonads 3 months ago
@itchygonads is the King of Fools: Fossiliferous sedimentary layers that cover vast areas of continents and bridge continents with billions of dead flora and fauna before the flora and fauna could rot or be scavenged is the evidence of the judgment of God on a vile and wicked humanity. The cretaceous layer envelops the Earth as undeniable proof that the Earth was completely covered by water since the cretaceous is made of tiny marine skeletons.
THE FOOL DENIES THE BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Ah its you again, the man who was proven ridiculous so stopped responding.
Making up ridiculous stuff and ignoring the fact this video proves your idea ridiculous and laughable.
No, an idiot would take biblical eye witness acounts, you cannot use the bible to prove the bible. It did not happen, the "eye witnessess" are made up or biased. How did previous history survive? How where the pyramids built only 100 years after? you are a child, and a gullible one at that. goodbye.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@itchygonads is the King of Fools: Fossiliferous sedimentary layers that cover vast areas of continents and bridge continents with billions of dead flora and fauna before the flora and fauna could rot or be scavenged is the evidence of the judgment of God on a vile and wicked humanity. The cretaceous layer envelops the Earth as undeniable proof that the Earth was completely covered by water since the cretaceous is made of tiny marine skeletons.
THE FOOL DENIES THE BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN You stopped responding via email as you had nothing to say. Now you have just coppied and pasted your previous comment. How embarrassing...even for you.
ONLY A CHILD LIKE MIND BELIEVES THE BIBLE, NOAHS ARK, ADAM AND EVE SO ON.
ONLY A MORON WOULD THINK BIBLICAL WITNESSES ARE RELIABLE OR USEFUL IN ANYWAY. moron.
itchygonads 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN You do realize that the very existence of this layer to it's known extent directly refutes the bullshit "BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT"? It's all about chemistry, physics, and math. See, I really don't want to blow your mind out that soft spot on top of your skull, so I'll go slow. The mass and chemical composition of limestone reveals a great amount of heat being released over time. Were it all released during the so-called flood year, there would be no life at all remaining.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman The anti-intellectual. The Cretaceous Layers that envelops the Earth is made up of tiny marine skeletons included in the limestone matrix. This is evidence that marine life existed and was included in the matrix that cemented/hardened.
You say See "It's all about chemistry, physics, and math", well Noah is an eyewitness writer of the Global Flood designed to destroy much of the life God created.
Read creationscience . com/onlinebook/Limestone2 . html
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Yeah, that's kind of the whole point, kiddo. The fact of the chemistry of those skeletons is that it requires an exothermic process to make the calcite in them. Each one is a very tiny addition to the whole equation, but in the masses that they are known to exist, well, the amount of heat released is enough to boil off the oceans. Add to that the other processes like extrusive vulcanism and you end up with a lifeless cinder. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman HELLO ANTI-INTELLECTUAL. You are therefore agreeing that a lot of life was lost of both flora and fauna as the sedimentary fossiliferous layers indicate. This flora and fauna is trapped in the sedimentary layers on a GLOBAL SCALE. DUH. This means that the sediments were deposited out of flowing water that suddenly buried the flora and fauna on a global scale before decay or scavenging was possible.
You do not know how much heat is required or released. Stop lying storyteller
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "You do not know how much heat is required or released" Bullshit. You seem to forget that the laws of chemistry are known, the laws of thermodynamics are known, and a very great portion of the Earth's surface has been surveyed by geologists, mostly in search of oil. But to be exact, per Poldervaart, Arie, 1955. Chemistry of the earth's crust. pp. 119-144 In: Poldervaart, A., ed., Crust of the Earth, there are approx. 5 x 10^23 grams of limestone in the crust (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN and the formation of calcite releases 11290 joules/gram, this releases 5.64 x 10^27 joules of heat energy into the environment. Considering that it would only take 3.7 x 10^27 joules to boil off the oceans into vapor that kinda shoots that whole flood thing down right there, unless you think Noah being lobster in a gopherwood "pot" is a survivable option? Considering your responses so far, you might actually think that.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Lovely how you confidently use figures to support your allegations. From a pragmatic point of view, the Cretaceous Layer is a given. Did all the limestone that was generated boil off the oceans? If a portion of the ocean did boil off as I expect it did whether by an exothermic reaction or the magma released during the mid-Atlantic rift, what would happen to the vapour released into the atmosphere in the closed system of the Earth?Did all the heat released kill all life forms?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Considering that had it actually happened as described in Genesis, it would've. Including Noah, my cerebrally challenged adversary. And please note that I'm only describing one source of heat. We've not discussed either meteor impacts, LIP extrusive volcanic events, or even something as simple as the extent and chemical composition of anhydrite and evaporite formations. Indeed, from just one of these evaporite formations we can falsify Noah's "flood"
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the self-appointed authority. Dear Mr. Delusional NorthForkFisherman,
You make many cheap assertions which you cannot substantiate by actually reproducing what you claim with repeatable experimentation as the scientific method requires.
Therefore, your assertions have no weight. However, Noah is a real person that documented the Global Flood that God used to destroy much of the life on Planet Earth. Are you aware that 90% of species are EXTINCT and 10% are EXTANT?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, core specimens from around the world are housed in various universities and state geologists offices. The rules of chemistry are a bit more than that, they are LAWS and so a given chemical reaction will always produce the same effect. Your protestations to the contrary are irrelevant. I can and have provided data that is free to all to examine and verify. Your response, well it's the equivalent of a slow child sulking in a corner going , "Nuh-uh"! Data or GTFO.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Wonderful, core samples are available. Wonderful, chemistry observes the rules the Creator ordained for all the Chemical Elements and their reactions.
OH, you want to back down from your obligation to substantiate your loose use of figures. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Produce the experimentation to validate you claims.
The Biblical record is ancient written evidence by eyewitnesses to the events they wrote about. Why does Archaeological evidence continue to support the record?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Chemistry the Central Science, by Brown, Lemay, and Bursten, 10th edition. Might find it in a library where they have real books. And archeology is not geology. Don't confuse the two. A record of folklore is useful in determining history, but not a science text. But seeing as you have problems with definitions, I spelled it out for you. You're quite welcome. Now back to embarrassing you about the biomass issue.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman NEWSFLASH the science of man with his limited capabilities and understanding is continually wrong and being changed. What material do you want to review and will it be truthful?
Science is from the Latin Scientia which means to have knowledge i.e. truthful knowledge.
One cannot have knowledge about events that are only imagined and presumed to have occurred or which cannot occur in defiance of the known laws and principles of science.
I must leave now. Later man. Thanks
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Continuation: Noah is an eyewitness and survivor of the Global Flood event which he documented from his experience. God's objective was to destroy much of the life on planet earth i.e. specifically humanity which was vile in every imagination. The fossiliferous sedimentary layers are full of billions of dead flora and fauna on a GLOBAL SCALE WITH THE LAYERS SPANNING VAST AREAS OF CONTINENTS. THIS IS NOT LOCAL; THIS IS A GLOBAL DEVASTATION. LET ME THINK OR EXPRESS WHAT I THINK
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN CAPS LOCK=No compelling argument or supporting data. And what you "think" is not relevant. What can you prove? What data do you have that will actuall stand up to real scrutiny? Lemme save you some time, duckling......None. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Are you seeing a pattern here, or do I need to spell it out in bright red crayon? And once again, a circular argument is not proof. I'm sure that went over your head however.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman that cannot comprehend. The CAP LOCKS was to get you to digest the point which you gloss over i.e. the Global Flood is substantiated by the Fossiliferous Sedimentary Layers FULL of BILLIONS of DEAD FLORA and FAUNA ALL OVER THE WORLD. DUH. There is nothing local about this devastation.
What circular argument? You are making another unsubstantiated allegation.
Over my head? Another fallacious tactic i.e. appeals to emotion and ridicule.
Have you no leg to stand on?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "What circular argument?" "Over my head?" Man, did I call it or did I call it? Woosh! Right over again. If I have to explain it to you, you won't get it. But let's keep going. You want to play the biomass issue. Good. I was hoping for that. We'll use the data from Whitcomb and Morris. You know them? They're the guys who wrote the The Genesis Flood: The Biblical Record and Its Scientific Implications back in 1961? Remember them? (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman "What circular argument?" Answer my question before going to a new subject i.e. the Biomass.
I aware of Whitcomb and Morris but I have not read their book.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Already have. twice actually. Pay attention or bugger off, K? Now Whitcomb et al cite the Karoo formation as proof of the Genesis flood, being that it's been surveyed to contain approx 800 billion fossil vertebrates (average size of a fox). Well just one problem with that....math. The earth's surface is only 126 billon acres. Of that, only about 30% is land, giving 37.8 billion acres. Now some of this is mountainous and uninhabiable, but we'll skip that part for now (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman NEWSFLASH.YOU’RE WRONG AGAIN and you do love fallacious logic.
1-The pre-flood geography was not today's, thus using today's surface area is an assumption out of place.
2-The Global Flood did not cause the fauna to die in situ; example, many marine animals are fossilized atop of today's mountains
3- Fossil graveyards are a concentration of life swept into place by the flowing water
4-The false interpretation by anyone as to the concentration of animals
How's your logic?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Point 2- More fail. Ref Orogeny. You might want to check on the current location of Thermopylae regarding this point. This is even something that was understood since DaVinci's time.
Point 3: We are in agreement with the exception of scale. River crossings kill hundreds of wildebeest in Africa each year as an example. The work of a flood? Hardly, just the natural cycle working it's self out. And crocodiles. Lots of crocodiles. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman
Non sequiturs.
You did not answer point #2 at all. YOU FAIL.
With respect to my point #3; again you did not answer my point at all. YOU FAIL AGAIN. Many animals die in water today and since the flood; they are scavenged and rot/decay without fossilization within sedimentary layers that are becoming rock.
DUH you are a FAILURE.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Point 4- In other words, you mean an interpretation that does not agree with your preconcieved notions? Occams Razor very much works against you here. The simplest explanation, all factors considered, is death at crossing sites. There are some that do show catastrophic effects, but really, so what? It's revealed for a very small area and a very small slice of time when all the data is known and considered. Just shows the same process today are those as yesterday. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman
Another non sequitur.
Extrapolationism is pseudoscience. One cannot sample a small area to have it speak for all areas. This is pseudoscience. There is enough fossils and formations studied to know that this is patently false and absurd. Why would you use such a fallacious approach?
You are irrational and lack basic discernment/common sense.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Now the Karoo Beds are about 1% of the total sedimentary record so we'll also hold them as 1% of all fossils (we know there are a great many more deposits). So this works out to 2100 animals the size of a fox per acre. And this breaks down to each animal having a range of 18 square feet. Hmmmm. Don't think you could raise a dinosaur in a space that small, now could you? And as we discussed, this is only 1% of the fossil record. Game, set, match to science. Again.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman YOUR FALLACIOUS LOGIC CONTINUES:
5-Extrapolationism is pseudoscience; you cannot use the concentration of fauna in one area to speak for all the Earth's surfaces due to your fallacious logic in my points 1,2, & 3 above.
You do not have science on your side; you do not have science [firsthand knowledge] about the pre-flood world, or the post flood world, or the events of the Global Flood catastrophe, or how many animals lived on the Earth and where their habitats where!
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, you'll note that where possible and appropriate, I've used creationist sources as a baseline and then done the actual work to show why their hypothesis fails. Now let's work your points 1 thru 5.
1-Again based on Whitcomb and Morris (creationist sources). We both agree that the Earth's surface is quite dynamic, however, you claim a flood which I've already disproven based on heat. Orogeny and vulcanism also add to the heat issue. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Your laughable when you said "you claim a flood which I've already disproven based on heat."
Ha Ha Ha. You can use your own logic to disprove anything you like with circular logic and nothing more.
You continually ignore the fact the EVOLUTION DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILS AND UNIFORMITARIAN GEOLOGY DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WHICH CONTAIN BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA BEFORE DECAY OR SCAVENGING WHICH IS VERY QUICK.
YOU ONLY PROVED THAT YOU’RE ILLOGICAL.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Actually, I've proven that I'm a better chemist than you and with nothing more than first year college level data. That is unless you are saying that the laws of chemistry and therefore thermodynamics are wrong? Is that what you are saying? If so, kindly share your Nobel with us, dear boy. You provided nothing more than denials and example that continually show that you don't understand the forces at work. Ergo, you provide opinion, and your opinion, is not proof.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman More Laughable lame comments. Circular Logic is Fallacious; this is what you used to support your claim. You did not answer my pragmatic question which was, did all the lime stone that is in the Cretaceous produce enough heat to kill all the life forms on Earth? The Cretaceous Layer envelops the Earth and contains tiny marine skeletons to prove life existed that died and was buried suddenly and that the whole earth was covered by water.
Do you agree with the evidence?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN The Cretaceous "layer" does not cover the whole earth. It's a time period marked by end of the Jurrasic Tithonian age and extends for 80 million years terminating at the K-T boundry. More creationist geology fail. You've been listening to Vieth, haven't you? Tsk, tsk. He might be worth a damn as a zoologist, but he knows dick about geology, and he shows it. Anyways, regarding the heat issue, oh yes, all that heat was released. It's a law of chemistry (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman NEWS FLASH: The Deep Time assumptions of Uniformitarian Geology is pure lies, hogwash, malarkey, Horse Feathers etc. Charles Lyell in collaboration with the Bone Darwin came up with about 340 Ma of geologic time that Darwin needed. Since then in 100 years it doubled every 15 years to the 4.54 Ga for the Earth.
Did all the heat released kill all the life forms? Will you answer the question? The Cretaceous does envelop the Earth. Vieth is no dimwit and he tell the truth.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN It's obvious by your more and more strdent denials that I've really hit a nerve. Excellent, let's keep pressing on it shall we? "Did all the heat released kill all the life forms?" you ask. Answer: No, because there was no one-year flood for it to be released within. It's a law of chemistry and thermodynamics both that this heat must be released during these chemical reactions, however, the time span far exceeds the prescribed "flood year". Simply math (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the evil lying evasive atheist. IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU AGREE WITH THE OBVIOUS ANSWER WHICH I HAD TO PRESENT. YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE GLOBAL FLOOD EVENT THAT THE EYEWITNESS NOAH EXPERIENCED. NOAH PRESERVED THE AIR-BREATHING LAND-DWELLING LIFE FORMS THAT WERE ABOARD THE ARK. ALL THE OTHER LIFE FORMS, THIS INCLUDES MANY MARINE ANIMALS. DIED AND HAVE BECOME THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS. THE PURPOSE OF THE FLOOD WAS TO DESTROY LIFE AND RESHAPE THE EARTH. DUH
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Writing in CAPS LOCK =/= compelling argument. The more vehement you get with out proof.....the more entertainment value I wring out of you. You really don't get it do you? The question has been answered, but you've so hobbled your mind you wouldn't see it if I smacked you over the head with it. And I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm going for the fencesitters, those who can still think for themselves and can see that YECers/IDiots simply can't respond to the facts.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman THE QUINTESSENTIAL IGNORAMUS. YOU SAY "The question has been answered," THIS IS ONLY IN YOUR REPROBATE ANTI-INTELLECTUAL MIND AND THOSE OF YOUR LIKE PERSUASION. YOU HAVE NO FACTS. ONE CANNOT HAVE SCIENCE WHICH IS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT EVENTS THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY OBSERVED. ALL SUCH CLAIMS ABOUT EVENTS IN THE DISTANT PAST BECOME PURE SPECULATION FROM A PARTICULAR WORLDVIEW FULL OF PRESUMPTIONS AND OR WILLFUL IGNORANCE, WHEREAS, NOAH IS AN EYEWITNESS SURVIVOR AND WRITER OF THE EVENT.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
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@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "NOAH IS AN EYEWITNESS SURVIVOR AND WRITER OF THE EVENT." Noah did not exist. If he did exist, he was a mere mortal and certainly could not see over the horzion. ergo, any assertions on his part (if he actually existed) are fallacy. Amazing what thinking a line of data thru can do for you, neh?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN C'mon, aren't you really pissed off yet. All the facts, the entire Earth testifies directly against what you believe, what you hold most dear, and because it's an inanimate object you can't fight it. How does that feel? To choke down fact after fact with no defence based on reality, just bronze age fantasy and a folktale about a guy and a houseboat. Must really suck to be you right now?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman THE DEFEATED REPROBATE THAT CANNOT DEFEND HIS ALLEGATIONS AND MUST RESORT TO FALLACIOUS LOGIC.
YOU ARE THE STORY TELLER AND PSEUDOSCIENTIST. YOU CANNOT HAVE KNOWLEDGE/SCIENCE ABOUT THE EVENTS THAT NOAH EXPERIENCED. YOU CAN ONLY ERECT STRAW MAN ARGUMENT BASED ON YOUR OWN CIRCULAR REASONING.
THE RIDICULE FALLACY AND APPEAL TO EMOTION IS A BAROMETER OF DEFEATISM.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And one last little thing, "The Cretaceous does envelop the Earth."? No, dear, it doesn't. I can go right to a road cut across from my home and see a direct transition from the Late Carboniferous of Kansas, right into the Pleistocene deposits. No Cretaceous deposits here. It's call an unconformity, but that's geology you just wouldn't understand. Now Vieth may have a degree in zoology, but statements like that show he knows fuckall about basic geology. Or is that just you?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the ignoramus. The Geologic Column as depicted/illustrated does not exist everywhere or anywhere in the world. Expecting a layer to occur as depicted does not mean it does not exist within the geologic column out or order. DUH. Uniformitarian Geology is a MYTH, A HUMAN FABRICATION CONCOCTED BY EVIL LYING ATHEISTS USING CIRCULAR LOGIC TO NEGATE THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF HISTORY BY EYEWITNESSES.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN More BS on your part, "The Geologic Column as depicted/illustrated does not exist everywhere or anywhere in the world." Bullshit. while it's meant to represent a timescale it does indeed exist. in about, oh, 40 places. Indeed, most of China sits on a basin infilled all the way back to the Precambrian. but the closest to you, in Canada, is the Willitson Basin in the Dakotas. Ref: Robertson Group, 1989. Stratigraphic Database of Major Sedimentary Basins of the World,
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman THE LIAR.
PROVIDE THE LOCATION THAT MATCHES THE GEOLOGIC COLUMN EXACTLY AS DEPICTED FOR EACH LAYER AND FOSSIL AND WITH THE CORRECT THICKNESS.
DOES THE WHOLE SURFACE OF THE EARTH MATCH THIS LOCATION?
DUH. NO IT DOES NOT.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Correct thickness? That's relative. Does it snow in Antartica? The Gobi? The rate of deposition is not a fixed quanta by any means; it's in relation to the surronding landforms. Anyone who say otherwise knows fuck-all about geology (talking about you Veith). And for location, Willitson basin, ND. That's just to start. I'll post the rest after class. My 4.0 requires work.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman WHO IS AVOIDING THE ISSUE AS ALWAYS. I SAID THE GC DOES NOT EXIST EVERYWHERE ON THE SURFACE OF THE EARTH AS DEPICTED/ILLUSTRATED BY CHARLES LYELL WHO PULLED THIS ARTIFICIAL CONSTRUCT OUT OF HIS TALE PIPE TO NEGATE THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF THE HISTORICAL EVENTS I.E. THE JUDGMENT OF GOD ON PLANET EARTH. ARE YOU NOT AWARE OF THIS HISTORICAL FACT? UG IS A MYTH BASED ON A CONSPIRACY I.E. DELIBERATE LIES AND THEREFORE IS AN UNTENABLE PROPOSITION AS MOST GEOLOGIST KNOW IN THE HEART.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And that conclusion is what, boys and girls? NO GLOBAL FLOOD. Sure, there's evidence of local floods all over the place. And some pretty good gully washers that hit regions (Lake Missoula for one). But Global? Nope. And they more they dug, the data they found that made a myth of Noah's pleasure cruise. Now, about your assertion regarding the geological column. You are quite correct in that it is not found everywhere, but this supports geology and falsifies the flood. (cont)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential MORON. The FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS SPAN VAST AREAS OF CONTINENTS AND BRIDGE THE ATLANTIC OCEAN, AND BECAUSE THEY CONTAIN BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA THAT DIED AND WERE BURIED SUDDENLY BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING IT IS PROOF POSITIVE OF A GLOBAL CATASTROPHE OVER A SHORT PERIOD JUST AS THE BIBLICAL ACCOUNT OF SUCH A CATASTROPHE OCCURRED AS GOD PLANNED AS JUDGMENT ON A VILE HUMANITY WHO EVERY IMAGINATION WAS TO DO WICKEDNESS.
STOP LYING.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Well hello sunshine. See you're ready to play again. Still not on your "A" game? I see a great many assertions with supporting documentation behind them. Ergo, disregarded. Anything that does not have any references is garbage and simply not relevant. Please let us know when you have actual facts and references that support them, K? And BTW, we've already established that there are far too amny fossils in the rock record to support your flood myth. Miss that part?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman hello deluded. "BTW, we've already established that there are far too amny fossils in the rock record to support your flood myth."
I should not have to provide any reference for common knowledge i.e. fossiliferous sedimentary layers with Billions of organisms.
Who is WE? I do not support your deluded position based on fallacious circular reasoning.
How vast are some of the sedimentary layers i.e. the Cretaceous? What is the surface area of the earth that it covers?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "I should not have to provide any reference for common knowledge" No dear, it's not common knownledge, and your refusal to provide references simply shows further that you are either parroting some bullshit creationist screed that you do not understand, or you know that you are outright lying and are afraid to be caught. I provide data to support all my claims. Everything is independently verifiable outside this forum, so "citation, please"
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the MORON that needs references for common knowledge. FACE PALM. Do you need references for the existence of FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS?
IT IS CLEAR THAT YOU ARE INDEED IGNORANT OF THE SIGNIFICANCE OF FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS. “There is another and allied difficulty, which is much more serious. I allude to the manner in which species belonging to several of the main divisions of the animal kingdom suddenly appear in the lowest known fossiliferous rocks.” Darwin
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And so we start with the quote mines, further reinforcing your intellectual bankruptcy and the cravenness of the YECer.And had you actually read you would've seen that this is a question that he goes on to answer in some detail with discussions of both the rarity of older, unmodified rocks, the Signor-Lipps effect, and some (to Darwin) recently found formations that show early life. This exercise was further born out by the discovery of the Ediacaran Fauna.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the evasive EVIL LYING AGNOSTIC which is a MORONIC position; grow a spine and take an truthful position i.e. only a True and Living God could and did create all that exists since lifeless and mindless chemical elements cannot contrive anything without cognizance. Are you intelligent enough to realize this?
Darwin had no evidence and it does not exist because pond scum to you evolution never happened; it is merely presumed.
Fossiliferous sediment was known by Darwin ...You?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "Who is WE?" Myself and every other geologist/paleontologist who's looked at this problem. Even from the small part we've excavated so far, the total amount of entrained carbon from biomass surpasses any envrionment that could produce it in the time frame required by Genesis literalists. But that certainly doesn't stand in their way of bollocksing up the works, now does it? So figure out that rainforest part yet, or do you need some help?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman "Who is WE?" "Myself and every other geologist/paleontologist who's looked at this problem."
You cannot have science/knowledge about the world before the Global Flood; you do not have direct observation, testing, documentation and you cannot reproduce these events; you do not know why, how, when, how much time etc.
EVERY ASSERTION IS PURE SPECULATION I.E. A FALLACIOUS BARE ASSERTION AND THEREFORE UNSCIENTIFIC.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
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@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "You cannot have science/knowledge about the world before the Global Flood;" Flood did not happen, and major forensics fail. You sure you're not homeschooled? We've already demonstrated there was no flood. You cannot exaplin away all that heat, so you try to deny it and change hte subject. Hell, I can falsify the flood with just ONE rock formation using the same tools of chemistry, physics, and math.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN The reason that this falsifies the flood is that, had it happened, the column would be everywhere. It is, as you already have stated, not. Rather what is found is an accumulation of sediments found in basins in accordance with the precepts of geology and the processes that shape the Earth today. And like I said, there are about 40 basins all over the planet where this is also illustrated. I'll forgo the part about conspiracies, we already know you're crackers on this.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential MORON obligated to the myth of UG. Laughable. A basin is not a vast area the span the majority of continents and today they are not forming billions of fossils of flora and fauna since the flora and fauna will decay or be scavenged. DUH and Double Duh FACE PALM.
Are you not aware of Charles Lyell and his deliberate deception of long ages to negate the Biblical record of the Global Catastrophe and recent creation? EDUCATE YOURSELF with real history!
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN However, if all that heat were released at one point in time (during the bogus flood year) there would be no life left on the slagged cinder that Earth would've become. And this is only one source of heat. We've come nowhere near covering the LIPs or other igneous events, much less impacts and the their thermodynamics. And finally, you are aware there are buried deserts? Evaporite and anhydrite deposits? Well, you are now.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the evasive Evil Lying Atheist. I did not ask you to tell what-if stories. I asked a very simple and pragmatic question; did all the heat released in the formation of the cretaceous layers destroy all the life forms on planet earth? Do you know how much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period?
I will answer both of the questions for you since you are an evasive liar. The answer is NO to all 3 questions! YOUR OPINION/MATH IS WORTHLESS.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "YOUR OPINION/MATH IS WORTHLESS." Whooo-hoo, somebody is feeling the burn now, aren't they? You mean that you can't do the math and understand what it means. That's all right. we don't all grow up to be molecular biologists, now do we? I mean somebody has to flip the burgers, right? Math is the one pure, clear science in the universe that can be said to give absolute proof, and the numbers, they don't lie. Too much heat, too little time. Noah, falisified again. (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman who loves his fallacious logic i.e. the bare assertion, appeal to ridicule and emotion, straw man, ad hominem
Where's the math? How much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period? Did this heat destroy all the life forms? ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN All ready have. At length. Perhaps you missed it? Do I need to write it in big red crayon for you? OOOOPS, YT doesn't support that. It's not my fault you're, well, impaired. Adopting a YEC mindset is the closest thing you can get to a lobotomy, or your money back. And if it;s something inflicted on a child? That's abuse by anyone's measure.Our ability to think critically is a vital part of being a citizen of the 2st century versus a subject of supersititon like you.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman Sorry, that's 21st Century. Always striving for accuracy.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman STOP LYING EVIL AGNOSTIC. ANSWER MY QUOTE BELOW AND STOP THE AD HOMINEM ATTACKS AND RIDICULE FALLACY. ARE YOU AN ANTI-INTELLECTUAL?
"Where's the math? How much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period? Did this heat destroy all the life forms? ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP."
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "ANSWER THE QUESTION EVIL LYING ATHEIST. PUT UP OR SHUT UP."
Already have my fervent and somewhat befuddled foe. And I'll not repeat myself. If you have difficulty reading our discourse, how is that my problem? Keep yelling all you want, I can do this all day. Well not all day, I've got classes to prep for. And that's far more important that you are.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman STOP LYING YOU DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION BELOW. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT.
"How much heat was generated in the formation of the Cretaceous layer and over what period? Did this heat destroy all the life forms?"
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
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@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 5.64 x 10^27 joules over 500 million years. And obviously, no, life still exists. And knock off the CAPS LOCK now you just look crazy as bugfuck.
Or better yet, don't. You help prove my point with every overheated word you write. Well, off to class.Toodles, darling.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman THE EVIL LYING ATHEIST.
The Global Flood of Noah that Noah documented in the Bible as an eyewitness survivor; and, which God documented, if you will, in the Fossiliferous Sedimentary Layers with Billions of dead flora and fauna buried suddenly by water borne sediment before decay and scavenging would have eliminated this fossilized record of biological life is not bogus. Youtube . com/watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ
Evidence of Noah's Ark which matches the Biblical size & location
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And finally, your "proof" (watch?v=3PSZNYdfawQ). Thanks for handing this too me on a silver platter, my sad little ape decendant. That lovely little formation @ 11:17? That's a hogback. A common erosional feature found at the root of worn down mountains. They are all over the Appalachains (hence the name). So let's see what you've accomplished so far: Failed basic math, physics, chemistry, and geology! Go back to school, cause you won't even get a copy of our crappy home game.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman THE EVIL LYING ATHEIST.
YOU LACK BASIC COMPREHENSION. DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED? LIST IT PLEASE. WHY DOES THE SIZE, SHAPE, AND LOCATION MATCH THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ARK?
PROVIDE A LINK TO A HOGBACK IN THE APPALACHIANS THAT MATCHES THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE ARK ON THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT WHICH BTW THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IS THE ARK.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
A CIVILIZED MAN DOES NOT USE FALLACIOUS LOGIC. WHY DO YOU?
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN What the Turkish Govt believes or doesn't believe is irrelevant. Politicians are simply not geologists, they play to the crowd. Now, ref Golden Science Guides, Landforms, Adams and Wyckoff, 1971, page 80. Lovely picture, and an exact match to the hogback in Turkey. Or are there two arks? Hmmmm. Do you think the Earth is lying to you? And BTW, I got that book when I was a kid. Just as relevant today, hon.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
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@NorthForkFisherman
YOU LACK BASIC COMPREHENSION. DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? WHAT EVIDENCE WAS PRESENTED? LIST IT PLEASE. WHY DOES THE SIZE, SHAPE, AND LOCATION MATCH THE BIBLICAL DESCRIPTION OF THE ARK?
PROVIDE A LINK TO A HOGBACK IN THE APPALACHIANS THAT MATCHES THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE ARK ON THE MOUNTAINS OF ARARAT WHICH BTW THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT BELIEVES IS THE ARK.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And finally, your title for me: "THE EVIL LYING ATHEIST", uh, Thanks. Your opinion of me means Sooooooo Much! /sarcasm. Evil is a very relative term and so, discarded. Lying however is very relevant, so let's discuss that. All my references are available to the public so that they can examine the data and do the math. It's not even college level. Finally: atheist? Agnostic actually. There may be deity of some sort, but that's not my concern. Genesis is not literal. Suck it.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the AGNOSTIC which is the position of the MORON. When will you get off the fence?
"Genesis is not literal." is the bare assertion fallacy. "All my references are available to the public ... and do the math." is fallacious circular reasoning and has no weight on the actual events that occurred during the Global Flood that produced the fossiliferous sedimentary layers including the Cretaceous.
When you promulgate lies using fallacious logic, you are lying which is EVIL.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN In other words, blah blah blah you can't respond with any data so "BURN THE WITCH". You really are so much fun. And asserting a flood when you have yet to one, refute any data of mine, and two, provide any peer-reviewed data support your postion is well, funny as all get out. I'm glad we're having this conversation. Really.I want people to see just how angry and frightened of the facts people like you really are. A hearbeat away from being another tony48219, no doubt there.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman WHO LOVES TO HEAR HIMSELF SPEW TRIPE ON YT.
YOUR MATH DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WITH BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA THAT WAS SUDDENLY BURIED BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING WOULD ELIMINATE THE POSSIBILITY OF FOSSILIZATION. DUH. UNIFORMITARIAN GEOLOGY DOES NOT MAKE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS WITH BILLIONS OF DEAD FLORA AND FAUNA AND NEITHER DOES EVOLUTIONISM. GOD'S JUDGMENT ON A VILE SINFUL WORLD DID.
STOP AVOIDING THE EVIDENCE LIAR!
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Are we back to the biomass issue? You have already seen, based on data that comes stright from you silly-assed creationists that's a fail already? What's the definition of insanity? Same thing over and over again, expecting a different result? Yep, that sums it up. Wonder who that might apply to here? Hmmmmm......At any rate, you silly hairless ape, I'm all about evidence. But, I've got a chem class to prep for, and you'll still be here. With no facts, and no clue. I'll be back.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman ARE YOU AVOIDING THE ISSUE AGAIN? THE BIOMASS I.E. BILLIONS OF FLORA & FAUNA LOCKED IN THE SEDIMENTARY FOSSILIFEROUS LAYERS IS BUT A MAJOR EVIDENCE OF THE GLOBAL FLOOD. I ALREADY TOLD YOU NOT TO USE THE OPINIONS OF OTHER CREATIONISTS TO SET-UP YOUR STRAW MAN ARGUMENTS. I'M USING THE BIBLICAL EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE SURVIVOR, WHO WAS NOAH. CHECK WHAT HE SAID AND DID BASED ON GOD'S DIRECTION TO PRESERVE LIFE FORM THE CATASTROPHE DESIGNED TO DESTROY LIFE AND RESHAPE THE EARTH.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN And back to the biomass issue again. I love this part, as you YECer/IDiots don't really understand the implications of this data. Shallow thinkers all. Bluntly put, there are too many fossils to support your claims. Known coal reserves represent 15 x 10^18 grams of carbon in the Earth's crust. Now, an acre of tropical rainforest contains about 525 kg of plant matter per sq/m. Given that plant cells are about 18% carbon (continued)
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman the quintessential "Shallow thinker", MORON and lover of FALLACIOUS TACTICS. It is your STRAW MAN argument based on circular logic that has bound you in foolish thought.
The World the Noah lived in was a lush temperate climate throughout the world; the land mass was much greater with more liveable habitats. This is confirmed by the biomass found at the poles with tropical and subtropical flora and fauna.
DUH and Double Duh FACE PALM.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN Ooooh, nice try. But ....swing and a miss. You really don't get it do you? Let's try this again using small words. Rainforest only. Now, chuckles, do you understand why this in and of itself falsifies your flood myth?
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman MORON. "Rainforest only... do you understand why this in and of itself falsifies your flood myth?” It does not falsify the Global Flood of Noah which he survived and document some 4300 years ago. Were you there?
ALL OF YOUR FALLACIOUS LOGIC CANNOT DENY THE DEATH OF BILLIONS OF LIFE FORMS THAT LOCKED IN THE FOSSILIFEROUS SEDIMENTARY LAYERS THAT SPAN VAST AREAS OF THE WORLD BEFORE DECAY AND SCAVENGING.
GOD'S PURPOSE FOR SENDING THE GLOBAL FLOOD WAS TO DESTROY VILE HUMANS.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "Were you there?" You bet your ass I was, because there is also here, and events leave their traces upon the land. This is the basis of forensic science, and history is all about the forensics, dear. And like I said, a book that selfreferences is not proof. It's garbage, and rejected.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman STOP LYING MORON; YOU WERE NOT THERE WHEN IT HAPPENED, TO SEE HOW IT HAPPENED, TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED IN ALL OF ITS STEPS, AND YOU CANNOT REPRODUCED THESE EVENTS WITH FORENSIC SCIENCE. YOU ARE TOO SMALL FOR THIS SCALE OF A CATASTROPHE. FACE PALM.
THE BIBLE IS A HISTORICAL BOOK THAT DOCUMENTS EVENTS THAT HAPPENED BY THE EYEWITNESSES. TO DENY THIS FACT IS TO BE WILLINGLY IGNORANT, A REVISIONIST HISTORIAN AND AN EVIL LYING REPROBATE.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN "YOU CANNOT REPRODUCED THESE EVENTS WITH FORENSIC SCIENCE. YOU ARE TOO SMALL FOR THIS SCALE OF A CATASTROPHE." The Laws of Physics and Chemistry are just that. Scale is irrelevant to them and their effects are cumulative. Remember, we've not looked at all the heat input. The Earth, being an inanimate object, cannot lie. The chemistry and physics are quite clear. And no amount of more and more hysterical use of CAPS LOCK will make it so.
NorthForkFisherman 2 months ago
@NorthForkFisherman The Laws of Physics & Chemistry are only possible in a world that is created with logic and order i.e. God's Creation. A chaotic happenstance world based on the philosophical view of materialism is world that science is not possible. The scientific method requires the direct observation, testing, documentation and reproduction of phenomenon that repeats. Historical science so-called can only look at the evidence and speculate/story tell since history does not repeat.
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago
@HISTRUTHBEKNOWN ok, that was a little mean and unnecessary. i get frustrated with you humans, you disappoint me so. do you not see the shortcomings in your logic when you chastise scientists for using the available evidence to understand things they weren't around to physically witness while talking about your skyman - incidentally among the least provable concepts imaginable - as though sighted and verified fact? also, the bible science book? ok, give me two pigeons, i'll cute a leper.
matthewktube 2 months ago in playlist Underlings List - Part 3a
@matthewktube the quintessential Ignorant ATHEIST and Pseudoscientist i.e. lover of LIES.
NEWSFLASH:
-ALL THE EVIDENCE IS COMMON TO ALL WORLDVIEWS; THE ISSUE IS THE STORYTELLING ABOUT WHAT THE EVIDENCE MEANS/SUPPORTS. DUH
-LEPER WERE NOT CURED BY PIGEONS; YOU MUST BE ILLITERATE AND CANNOT READ. LEPERS WERE ANNOUNCED TO HAVE BEEN CLEAN BY INSPECTION BY THE PRIESTS WHO THEN CEREMONIALLY PROCLAIMED THEM TO BE CLEAN OF LEPROSY TO THE COMMUNITY.
-ONLY A SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE CAN CREATE ALL
HISTRUTHBEKNOWN 2 months ago