(Kent Hovind) Creation Seminar 2 The Garden of Eden Part 11

[RJL738]

I don't think none of them got cancer but if he said they got it far less then maybe. It's nice he is giving and exaustive explaination of Creation but whay does he have to go into so much detail about nutrition, that is allitle peripheral to say the least, it is ncie to suppliment a speech with secondary, tertiary maybe even some partial quaternary stories but we are not making a branching of stories, get a grip here.

[RJL738]

This idea about lifespans being reduced by contact with may be somewhat true but we can't just go in a special world we have to interact with he mainstreem, we are immersed in a fallen world and humans are also going to have to adapt in any case, the minor dangers of this world are too much to count so even if we might be alittle healthier from these special environments humanity is going to have to suck it up and deal with all the hazards of the world and even adapt.

[RJL738]

I'm not sure if alot of those rumors are true but yes there are many small places of the world and rumors in the 19th century about people living to be 140 or 150 at least, they may be somewhat true but they are definitly rare and almost completly unverified but never underestimate the the amazing nature of the world or all the different kinds of people on here there are many amazing things waiting to be known.

[venmon619]

@rationalanarchy sorry for the late reply but i think this says it best "Bible writers used the “language of appearance,” just as people always have. Without it, the intended message would be awkward at best and probably not understood clearly." -- christiananswers (.) net/q-eden/edn-c015.html

[gregrutz]

He talks like he is a scientist, what a joke.

[Genderator]

B17 is the popular name for the chemical Amygdalin which produces hydrogen cyanide which is most famous as the pesticide Zyklone B i.e. the gas used in concentration camps during the holocaust. I don't care if you believe every word this man says as if he is God this will kill you.

[yahuel1]

@rationalanarchy no, he gave us brains to figure it out...but retards might read "i will plant you like cedars in lebanon" and think he is going to turn them into a cedar tree one day and plant them in the dirt...retards like you :P

[yahuel1]

@rationalanarchy do you call the sport in english "footsphere" or basketsphere? lmao...because the earth is not a "ball" that you play sports with. the word you refer to means "ball" not 'sphere' and is NEVER used for "sphere"...learn hebrew before you try to act like you know it, otherwise someone who speaks hebrew will point out that your an idiot :P

[yahuel1]

@rationalanarchy circle and sphere are different words in modern english, not in ancient hebrew retard. the word in hebrew he refers to means "sphere" or "round" or "circle" and is used for all the above. Translators would be to blame here for the bad choice of english for the hebrew word, however, stupidity would be to blame for your comment :P

[gregrutz]

@yahuel1 The men who wrote the bible thought the earth was the center of the solar system, everyone did.

[Jenmp3]

So, everything can be cured by what we eat?? I hope Kent dies from cancer.

[Jenmp3]

Cancer is not caused by a B17 definciency.

[yahuel1]

@Jenmp3 no one implied that it was...pain is not caused by pain medication deficiency either retard lol

[gregrutz]

So this is where IDiots get all there crap!

Glad I didn't learn science from him, he doesn't understand it.

[yahuel1]

@gregrutz i understand science, in fact i majored in nuclear physics in college and got a 98% on the US Navy's "pre-nuke test" and got a full scholarship and I didn't see him reference anything but facts in books you could study yourself if you do want to understand science...lol. It's funny however that you say a 15 year science teacher doesn't understand science lmao...i'm afraid you're the one confused

[gregrutz]

@yahuel1 kent taught 17 year old kids and the navy has low standards, so what.

That does not prove there was a flood or the world is young.

He is like the rat poison, most of what he says is correct about bread, they he just makes up crap to match the bible stories.

Geologist know the earth was millions of years old, before nuclear chemists told them it was billions of years old.

[newfagscanttrif0rce]

This guy loves a good conspiracy. People live longer lives in this century than any humans that came before us. If he thinks drug free lives are so great he can move to Somalia.

[yahuel1]

@newfagscanttrif0rce people live longer now because there isn't world wars requiring the draft retard lol....people actually die faster now of health related issues...see 50 years ago, cancer was nearly unheard of, few people died of it....and there were several cancer deaths so don't say they didn't know what it was or how to diagnose it lmao...there was also only a handful of teen deaths due to health/natural causes...in fact, there were very few teens deaths at all. and zero school shootings

[newfagscanttrif0rce]

@yahuel1

I hope you get the plague you foolish boy.

[venmon619]

actually the earth is the one that is moving... fail

[tristaro9]

This is the best vid ever

[axemurderah17]

Because 'chuwg' is a verb. the action of Encircling or Encompassing something by its shape. Its directly talking about the sky. Circle and Sphere can be used interchangeably.

Thats exaclty how our planet works. The sun shines on one side (day) and leaves a shadow on the other (night). If the world was flat, everyone would experience day and night simultaneously. But we know thats not the case and its not what Luke 17 explains.

[axemurderah17]

It is.

"the circle of the Earth". this is not 2-Dimensional. The Hebrew word for circle in this text means a round object or sphere.

Likewise, in Luke 17:34-36 describes how the 2nd coming of Jesus will occur while some are asleep in bed at night and some are up working at daytime. This can only be possible with a revolving, spherical Earth.

[axemurderah17]

it is not that things are written figuratively or literally, but we should keep in mind that it was not written in our language or use our terminology. This such as linguistics and culture should not be left out when reading.

btw, italicized words are added in for translational purposes.

[axemurderah17]

-talks about God in comparison to Earthly beings.

-Four corners in reference to cardinal directions.

-'Ends' in reference to the entire Earth

-Correctly states that his Strength cannot be moved like no one can move the Earth

-I assume the last sentence is from Psalms 75 which actually says "the earth and its inhabitants are dissolved, i bare up the pillars of it" The word 'Pillars' means the Leaders of the Earth, the People aka kings and such. Please read the whole text to understand.

[axemurderah17]

Where does the Bible say the Earth is flat?

[axemurderah17]

No.

[axemurderah17]

Of course.

If the earth had no ends or stopping points that would mean it had no beginnings or starting points.

[axemurderah17]

You people are embarrassing yourselves with your prolonged debates...

The truth is we are all guilty for lack of understanding.

Job: 38; 4-7

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.

Who has laid the measures thereof? Or who has stretched the line upon it?

Where are the foundations of it fastened? Or Who has laid the cornerstone?.."

Unless you understand God to be more than an invisible force, Do not speak against him And His word, my friend

[glassbrain]

Do not speak ill against thor either, my friend... Or Odin...or Mars...Apollo...Zeus...Poseido­n...Krishna....Horus...

Ah, how sad you are.

[deftonesfanatf]

Or any human made gods... does mocking make you feel any better or help you understand more? Quit being a child and discuss truth rather than mock it. If you don't agree then try to understand don't fool yourself.

[tellytubies123]

Above all, and in relation to this video, Chuck Norris did what Hovind has been trying to do his whole life: he proved that there's no such thing as evolution. Only a list of all the animals he lets live.

[Dhesyca]

Vitamin B 17 was discontinued as a cancer treatment in Russia way back in the 1800s because it was found to be toxic. In the USA, it's been tested by the Sloan-Kettering Cancer Foundation and found to treat secondary tumors in 3 clinical trials...but was still found to be toxic to humans. Lethally toxic.

[Eye2EyeIIIV]

he's right, guys

[Stitchman3875]

hmmm....I find it ironic that the chemical compound of Cyanide is CN, like Chuck Norris. Coincidence, I don't think so.

[AussieBoyX]

you know too much

[Stitchman3875]

Buddy you have no idea. Just remember, Chuck Norris destroyed the Periodic Table. He only recognizes the element of surprise.

[AussieBoyX]

He also destroyed a German fighter plane by pointing his finger at it a yelling out 'bang'

[Stitchman3875]

He also ordered a Big Mac at Burger King and got one.

[AussieBoyX]

He also won the 1983 World Series of Poker, despite holding only a Joker, a Get out of Jail Free Monopoly card, a 2 of clubs, 7 of spades and a green #4 card from the game UNO.

[Stitchman3875]

I remember hearing that somewhere, you are aware that Chuck Norris is the reason Waldo is hiding.

[3rdKrypton]

You guys are all dumb as shit.

lol

[infernalbbq]

It's pretty hard to take the 'evidence' he mentions seriously, as none of it has been verified in any way I can determine. Like he said, if it IS true it'd certainly make waves. And the reason we haven't heard about any of these miraculous finds is apparently a massive world-wide conspiracy?

[fattyrhys]

Look how many bits of "evidence" for evolution have been proved wrong time and time again.

and yet they STILL teach it to people

[infernalbbq]

How come there's only a comparative handful of Christian Creationists (centered mainly in the American South it seems) next to the hundreds of millions of Secular Humanists around the globe? How come of all the scientists in ALL fields making renowned work, none that I've ever heard espouse anything like what sells itself as creation 'science'?

[infernalbbq]

I'd love someone to surprise me by explaining these and other apparently inarguable facts that fly in the face of 6 Day Creationist theory with something other than the story of a devil-influenced global conspiracy designed to refute the claims of an tiny minority religious group.

[PsychoKnights]

Your facts are fairly inarguable; however, they also prove nothing. As you say, their are very few Creationists. (speaking of those that look at it from a scientific perspective rather than purely faith) For this reason in addition to the fact that evolutionist try to shut down differing opinions, it is no surprise that their are few Creationists with "renowned work."

The fact that their are many Secular Humanists means little. There are many more Christians than their are Humanists.

[infernalbbq]

I mean, if creationists weren't so funny to read about and weren't part of a nation that's otherwise one of the most advanced (in many ways) then we'd never even have heard of them. But hey, in the meantime lets thank Mr. Hovind for being an entertaining speaker and send him warm (if slightly condescending) wishes as he serves the remainder of his prison sentence. :)

[zigzagzoo12]

Funny how Atheists are attacking him personally, but I haven't seen one dispute of a single piece of evidence from the numerous evidence he presents.

[rasmuswedin]

Well if he could just provide some that'd be just great. I mean without bringing up fairytales from the Bible or missenterpreting evidence found by real scientists, that is!

[zigzagzoo12]

Obviously you haven't seen his videos. There's so much evidence in his videos against evolution that if you don't see that or at least raise some real concern about the theory, I would say that you have strong faith.

[rasmuswedin]

Obviously you haven't seen Rabidape, Nick Gisburne and Extant dodo's videos where they totally rip every little lie, spewed from Hovinds mouth, to peices. I don't use faith to explain the world, like fanatical fools. I use rational thinking.

[PsychoKnights]

Translating from Bullcrap to English for Rasmuswedin. "No I haven't paid any attention to Hovind's evidence. I just enjoy laughing at him without taking the time to analyze what he says. You are the dumb creationist, and I am the intelligent evolutionist, therefore I do not need to use my brain to point out what is wrong with Hovind's theories when I have other people to do that for me. You see I use rational thinking rather than faith; that is why I believe everything these evolutionists say."

[rasmuswedin]

Well, obviously you haven't seen their vids, or you wouldn't be talking so much smack. Do yourself a favour and go and watch their vids. Then you would see that no rational person would ever belive this nonsense or even dream of calling it sceince.

[PsychoKnights]

Maybe I will sometime, though I have more important things to do at the moment. However, if you have truly been convinced by evidnece, you should be able to cite some. You have been challenged, twice now, to explain where Hovind is wrong. I understand that long explanations can't fit in these tiny comment boxes, but how about a sentence or two. In as far as I can see, you are just taking the word of others and have no ability to explain your position.

[rasmuswedin]

Well now, obviously it's you who "haven't paid any attention" to the evidence since you haven't even bothered checking the arguments for "the other side" of the case. I will not waste my time repeating what so many have said so many times, just because you're ignorant. Check out the videos I pointed out. Youtube: Why do people laugh at creationists? If you dare, that is.

[PsychoKnights]

You really have absoulutly no evidence for what you believe, do you? Three times now, and you still only say, "This guy over here has the answers." Like it would be that difficult to say, "Oh, stupid little PsychoKnights, Florderum's theory explains all Hovind's incorrect theories regarding the ape man. Nah, you just don't know. One day, I will research both sides carefully, but today, I'm researching other things.

[Gearogi]

Why do you say in every video that you wil sometime, but have more important things. yes you have enough time to type out extremely long sentances and whatnot.

[PsychoKnights]

Because typing out sentences takes about two minutes and doing thorough evaltuation of evolutionary theroy would take days of straing non-stop research.

[BradG902]

Very good. Makes you think.

[Desertphile]

"Very good. Makes you think."

No. Rev Hovind makes people *NOT* think.

[BradG902]

Its no good arguing about whether it makes you think or not because we're only going to disagree. You might not believe the Bible as I do. Creation is an interpretation of the facts around us which gives me grounds to believe in the Bible (not only does Creation give me grounds to believe in the Bible but other things do aswell.) I believe evolution does not.

[BradG902]

In fact, the Big Bang has a flaw from the very start which everyone knows quite well...Where did it all come from? Which is the very thing people are trying to find out. The Bible does have proof for it and has a logical and flawless answer to why we are here.

[YaOkRight]

Ya but you dont look deep enough, whos pushing Evolution? The govt is, the govt of America has 50 pentagrams on its flag for a reason, because satans people control this country.There is a spiritual war raging and Im sorry that you cant understand the spiritual realm but its real....

[tdrc66]

And hes totaly contradicted himself, he mentioned Na and Cl as being lethal as elements but harmless as NaCl. He then said fluride was killing us... Fluride is harmless, flurine is the lethal element. And I can give you quotes from the bible that tell us the world is flat, that the sky is made of water.... is this old fiction book what you want as health insurance?

[YaOkRight]

LOL, bible says world is flat huh:

Isaiah 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth....Evolutions a lie get over it!

You are like your father, the devil....

[tdrc66]

Its pathetic pseudo-science

And yes the bible does

Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, and 1 Chronicles 16:30 state that

"the world is firmly established, it cannot be moved."

Psalm 104:5 says,

"the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved."

Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that

"the sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises."

[tdrc66]

Evolution is fact, (the definition of evolution is change in the gene pool over time) whether we evolved or not is a theory, one which has huge amounts of evidence to prove. And creationism is not science, watch my video "creation science"

[Desertphile]

"LOL, bible says world is flat huh:"

Yes, it does. It also says the sky is a bronze dome with gates in it that the gods open to let rain fall on Earth. Sheeeish: religion sure does make people raving lunatics, dunnit?

[YaOkRight]

LOL, bible says world is flat huh:

Isaiah 40:22

It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth....Evolutions a lie get over it!

You are like your father, the devil....

[tdrc66]

This guy is a freak. I guess penecilon doesn't exist then? Medicine that has increased our average life from around 30 in the 16th century to around 80 today is gods way of warning us against evolution. And its nice how he finished off with a joke

[soolkyut]

Vitamins cure all diseases? Kent Hovind is against all drug therapy? Is that what I'm getting from this?

[psevdhome]

If the seed contains a poisonous form of cyanide, then it will kill you. It doesn't matter what proteins the cell wall has, because cyanidde doesn't interract with the cell wall. If the seed contains poisonous cyanide, then the only things immune to it are plantcells, not cancer. No amount of biblical wisdom and prayer will save you from that amount of cyanide.

[Joshua271987]

This isn't Hovind's personal idea, I think he's referencing Dr. Ernst Krebbs. Feel free to do your own research and draw your own conclusion on this controversial subject. (go to wikipedia and search for Laetrile).

[psevdhome]

Thanks, it was very enlightening.

[palachi]

The world of evolutionary biology will survive these nonsensical attacks by religious fanatics. Whatever happened to thou shalt not lie? Liars.

[YaOkRight]

Whats the lie..?

[Desertphile]

"Whats the lie..?"

"I taught high school science for 15 years." -- Convicted Felon Kent Hovind

[Desertphile]

Golly, this is so insane I wonder if it was meant to be a joke.

[YaOkRight]

Whats funny?

[Desertphile]

"Whats funny?"

You mean other than a grown man pretending to believe in fairy tales?