@xxGlowingRaverxx quite good for it being only your second ever animation. My only minor critiques are: in wmm you can extend the timeline and make frames take up less time; do this. And maybe do a bit more research on anatomy, you are pretty close tho. Great job, keep it up!
i would speed it up some. it seems like you're trying hard to make it good but therefore are making to many frames to close to eachother making it go slower. it's pretty good and i love the detail of the drawings
what are you talking about? õ_Ô i can take critique, and i WANT it. but the only comments i really hate and delete are those "get a life" or "BOHOO YOU'RE CRUEL ANIMAL ABUSER YOU MADE HIM KILL A PUP BOHOO I'M OVER REACTING ON ANIMATED VID : '(((((( " comments.
@cutelady654 why do you bother commenting on MY video and telling ME what I should do..? this is my channel, and i can upload what i want. i don't mean to sound mean, but you sound so childish that it makes me feel sick.
and still; animating stuff doesn't make ppl sick. if you think it does, you have to be overly sensitive.
is maker of GNG sick? he drew a german shepherd kill TWO bear cubs. and even more killing. why are you watching my videos if they make you feel that way?
@xxGlowingRaverxx UH.. SORRY IT WAS PROBALY MY COUSIN JULIA.. She.. Eh.. well.. lets just say she has some uh.. how do i say this without offender her.. um.. anger.. issues.. (now i have to run from julia... IDK why i dont change the password.. i go do that now.. )
hi there, i'm sorry i don't have this on my computer anymore and i really don't remember how many frames were in it. maybe ten or twelve or something..?
@xxGlowingRaverxx well, I think its AWESOME! SO BOO TO U silentkilleramongyou its this personz SECOND animation in her or hiz WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE!!!! DUH!!!!
you've got potential. For a second-ever animation, that was pretty good. I obviously can't give suggestions as I know nothing about animation programs, but that was pretty good.
i made pictures for this with MS Paint, pretty quickly, and i gathered them up together with Windows Movie Maker. it's the "poorest" way to make an animation.
but for animations which i've done now (you can see some of 'em in my another animation video), i do them with Adobe Photoshop Elements. it's not free program but i got it free from my cousin who's computer engineer, so..
well i can't tell any other tips but watching pictures of real wolves and canines, propably watch videos of 'em too. and just draw, draw and draw. don't give up, no matter how much you think 'my drawings suck'.
when you draw alot something you'll start to learn new things about drawing, all the time.
just keep on drawing and drawing, you'll see results - not immediately, it can take year or two, but you'll get better all the time. :)
My drawings of wolves used to look like cats with curly tails,but now,since 4 years have past, they're really good! I agree- drawings do get better all the time. even when I first began animating about 1 and a half years ago I've improved alot! =D
Just draw a whole bunch and try and switch up some stuff in your drawing. Whether it's the shape of the head of length of the tail, just try and change it around. In my art video you can see one of my first pictures and you can see lots of improvement as it goes on. Good luckk! =D
Love it! Shows lots of emotion, and quite frankly, if this was your second animation - I would of thought it was your 100th. (thats how skilled it is!)
that propably is only your opinion (i mean that "i suck at animating"), i haven't seen your animations so i can't tell my opinion of it. but when you practise alot and watch how dogs/whatever moves, you'll learn alot. :)
That was incredible..it is a tad choppy but you're a really good artist aand good at creating the movement (not the actual movement but the different expressions and slides) so that makes up for it
thank you for commenting something else but "nice animation!" - it's always nice to hear what ppl do like in pictures/animations and what they don't like so much. :)
i think it wouldn't be any better. i didn't make enough frames to it that's why it looks so abrupt. when i was collecting animation parts together i tried to sped it up but then it was too quick and strange u know.. o.O'
The lip synching still needs a bit of work, but the way he turns his head is absolutely dead on, and I love the change in perspective when he lunges. Awsome job, made more awsome because it's only your second animation - keep at it, I want to see more! :D 5/5
yes this is my second, thanks. :) there's two new animations at the end of my video "Me drawing a dog with MS Paint (+ animated xtra in the ending!)".
but now i've been making alot of animations 'cause i'm making a "trailer" for my dog/wolf comic.. :)
wow, you should probably get a life now that you've completed your masterpiece. maybe venture outside, it's probably been a while seeing how you've been spending the last 4 months indoors wanking about f'ing wolves. growing flamer.
what the hell..? are you trying to piss me off or something? sorry you failed. and quess what? i'll get a life when i want to. and what do you know about me?
draw many pictures that are pretty similar, only a little bit difference in those. then i just join them together in .gif format. (this one is made with Movie Maker, so that animation is not in .gif format)
you can find alot of tutorials of making animations if you use google or DeviantArt.
It's amazing!! ^.^ gj(:
CalliTheScreamoKitty 3 months ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx quite good for it being only your second ever animation. My only minor critiques are: in wmm you can extend the timeline and make frames take up less time; do this. And maybe do a bit more research on anatomy, you are pretty close tho. Great job, keep it up!
TheArtistgurl 3 months ago
what song did you use?
IronWillTransformers 4 months ago
i would speed it up some. it seems like you're trying hard to make it good but therefore are making to many frames to close to eachother making it go slower. it's pretty good and i love the detail of the drawings
wildrunningwolf 4 months ago
Wow that's epic for the 2nd time ;D
xXdarkStarXx11 5 months ago
i think its funny that you delete the negative comments. not bashing, i mean, this is better then what i could do.
SilverPlatterProd 6 months ago 4
@SilverPlatterProd
what are you talking about? õ_Ô i can take critique, and i WANT it. but the only comments i really hate and delete are those "get a life" or "BOHOO YOU'RE CRUEL ANIMAL ABUSER YOU MADE HIM KILL A PUP BOHOO I'M OVER REACTING ON ANIMATED VID : '(((((( " comments.
and well, thanks. :P this is old.
xxGlowingRaverxx 6 months ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx cool story bro.
SilverPlatterProd 6 months ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx Some people eh?
breyer2003 6 months ago
KOOL!!!!!
forestwolves 6 months ago
this was really nice! poor brat, but well, thats how it goes hahaha. I love ur animation, really. NICE DRAWING! ;D
DrAgOnNRiDdEr 7 months ago
@cutelady654 why do you bother commenting on MY video and telling ME what I should do..? this is my channel, and i can upload what i want. i don't mean to sound mean, but you sound so childish that it makes me feel sick.
and still; animating stuff doesn't make ppl sick. if you think it does, you have to be overly sensitive.
is maker of GNG sick? he drew a german shepherd kill TWO bear cubs. and even more killing. why are you watching my videos if they make you feel that way?
xxGlowingRaverxx 7 months ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx UH.. SORRY IT WAS PROBALY MY COUSIN JULIA.. She.. Eh.. well.. lets just say she has some uh.. how do i say this without offender her.. um.. anger.. issues.. (now i have to run from julia... IDK why i dont change the password.. i go do that now.. )
cutelady654 7 months ago
@cutelady654 um...okay.
xxGlowingRaverxx 7 months ago
How much frames did you made for this animation? :)
kristelsouthpark1 8 months ago
@kristelsouthpark1
hi there, i'm sorry i don't have this on my computer anymore and i really don't remember how many frames were in it. maybe ten or twelve or something..?
xxGlowingRaverxx 8 months ago
what is that song called??
Rinamusz 9 months ago
Very good! You might want to speed it up a bit though! ^^ great job!
Whitewolfprint 10 months ago
did you use a tablet when you drew this out? nice job by the way. :D
DragonZakeruga 11 months ago
really really good!! :)
etegg11 11 months ago
you have great talent i love your animation great job :)
inuyashaandkagome24 1 year ago
wow awesome! :D
wolfgirl1339 1 year ago
epic...
skydogwhoowhoo 1 year ago
second animaton. SECOND ANIMATION???
I only have one thing to say to that; "Wow."
Sandleaf1011 1 year ago 6
Did any one else notice that the wolf begin attacked was small so u drew a wolf killing a wolf pup...
Sick man sick -:(
silentkilleramongyou 1 year ago
@silentkilleramongyou
if you would've read the description you wouldn't have to comment this.
and hey, animating stuff doesn't make ppl sick. if you think it does, you have to be overly sensitive.
xxGlowingRaverxx 1 year ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx well, I think its AWESOME! SO BOO TO U silentkilleramongyou its this personz SECOND animation in her or hiz WHOLE ENTIRE LIFE!!!! DUH!!!!
forestwolves 6 months ago
@forestwolves TOTALLY AWESOME!!!
forestwolves 6 months ago
@silentkilleramongyou Aww, :(
Angel223333 8 months ago
that is funny and cool
KermitThePanda 1 year ago
@KermitThePanda you are thick hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ScaredOfEvilClowns95 1 year ago
@KermitThePanda you stink
ScaredOfEvilClowns95 1 year ago
you've got potential. For a second-ever animation, that was pretty good. I obviously can't give suggestions as I know nothing about animation programs, but that was pretty good.
MapleLeafAce 1 year ago
awsome
tmlproductions 1 year ago
AWESOMME!!!!!!!!
Hawkfire44 1 year ago
love the way you draw! =D What's the song? I;v heard it somewhere before and loved it but can't remember what its called
kat578 1 year ago
How do you animate? Is it a downloading program? It's very interesting. :)
Runningpaw123098 1 year ago
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hello
i was wondering, because you're good at animating wolves (did i say good? meant great :D) could you do some animating for me?
i have a few different payment methods (not actual real money given to you sadly, i have no paypal email) but i have a few payment methods.
PM me if you are interested in helping me out
shadquartzthehedgie 1 year ago
the blood is grey?
TheSnowNRain 1 year ago
@TheSnowNRain
this animation is colourless. that's why blood is grey.
xxGlowingRaverxx 1 year ago
owww, nice :o
LShouldnotDie 1 year ago
whars the song called?
wolfsFireandIce 1 year ago
@wolfsFireandIce ...it's written to the end of the video as an annotation.
xxGlowingRaverxx 1 year ago
Awesomesawce animation.
AshLovesToSkate 1 year ago
Woahh and this is your 2nd ever animation?
SamberPetz 1 year ago
@SamberPetz well that's what i told ya, and that's how it happens to be. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 1 year ago
@xxGlowingRaverxx ohh xD mehehehh
SamberPetz 1 year ago
cooll
HorseRider4507 2 years ago
is MS Paint a better version of Paint? or is MS Paint IS Paint, because mine just says Paint...
spottedwolfso 2 years ago
@spottedwolfso
MS Paint is Microsoft Paint. so it's normal Paint's longer/original name.
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
good artist
TwoMenMafia 2 years ago
thats real good... better then me ^-^.... coz i haven't learned how 2 do it yet
Shazzy037 2 years ago
What song is that and great animation
IzzyNymze101 2 years ago
yeah, thanks. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
nice song:D Tiesto 4 life
halbeka 2 years ago
Hiii!!! I wa just wondering, what animation program did you use and was it free?
BloodWolfValley 2 years ago
ahem. *pointing on the description* ^^
i made pictures for this with MS Paint, pretty quickly, and i gathered them up together with Windows Movie Maker. it's the "poorest" way to make an animation.
but for animations which i've done now (you can see some of 'em in my another animation video), i do them with Adobe Photoshop Elements. it's not free program but i got it free from my cousin who's computer engineer, so..
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
Gaahh -.-' Sorry..I was too lazy to even READ the description XD And thanks, anyways ;)
BloodWolfValley 2 years ago
Holy shoot, you are so talented!!!
WolfdogLover1 2 years ago
Hey do u want to do a animation series with me mail me your aweser
warriorsrox1 2 years ago
cool! how do you do that?
maskedbandit150 2 years ago
thanks!
well i'm too lazy to explain but there's alot of animation tutorials which you can use if you're interested of animating. good luck!
just draw the movement layer by layer (= picture by picture).
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
that was cool
GroupRetarded 2 years ago
im sure it isnt your second time drawing tho . any way nice animation ^^ it just goes to show how over looked ms paint and WMM are these days :3
TheKuchisakeOnna 2 years ago
yeah i've been drawing for yeeeaaars. but it's my second animation. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
thats sad :"( its sad cuz i luv wolves but they attack each other
RealWildWolf1 2 years ago
what everything?
wow!
even the music?
Ookami Tala xx
WolfCrazyGirl42 2 years ago
nah, i own just this animation, i don't own the music.
music is DJ Tiesto - Adagio for string
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
amazing drawlings and great for first animation all it needs now is more FPS so it looks smooth other than that 5/5
berettastorm88 2 years ago
Any tips on drawing wolves? I Love them but I cant seem to get anywhere with drawing them.
P0intBl4nk95 2 years ago
well i can't tell any other tips but watching pictures of real wolves and canines, propably watch videos of 'em too. and just draw, draw and draw. don't give up, no matter how much you think 'my drawings suck'.
when you draw alot something you'll start to learn new things about drawing, all the time.
just keep on drawing and drawing, you'll see results - not immediately, it can take year or two, but you'll get better all the time. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
My drawings of wolves used to look like cats with curly tails,but now,since 4 years have past, they're really good! I agree- drawings do get better all the time. even when I first began animating about 1 and a half years ago I've improved alot! =D
Wolfkid27 2 years ago
I agree with xxGlowingRaverxx.
Just draw a whole bunch and try and switch up some stuff in your drawing. Whether it's the shape of the head of length of the tail, just try and change it around. In my art video you can see one of my first pictures and you can see lots of improvement as it goes on. Good luckk! =D
Breezybry 2 years ago
how many pictures did it take to make this
Choscabella69 2 years ago
it took 20 pictures.
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
epicXD
Kitsuneru 2 years ago
Better than Mine ;3
AniyuuWolf 2 years ago
good :D but you should make it a little bit faster
NFMSpro 2 years ago
i tried when i made this, but it came out really ugly and too fast so i created this slower version.
there's just too small amount of frames/pictures in that animation.
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
very good
Brambleleaf178 2 years ago
wo! ur second animation? 0_o u must have used a windows vista version of movie maker, to go faster.
WolfsRainFan4ever 2 years ago
yeah, second.
well i don't have vista so i wasn't able to use it.
but now i can collect together my animations with my dad's computer 'cause it has Vista. i have XP..
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
WTF your first animation? that's verry good!! mine sucks for the first XD
jenny1janietz 2 years ago
second, Jenny, it's my second animation. :) but thanks! if you wanna see there's some of my new animations in another video..
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
yes i know,i've already seen them,they're really cool!! i wish i can so good animate as you :(
jenny1janietz 2 years ago
haha.
well you know, you can get very good only with practise and watching how dogs/other animals move. that's how it goes. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
I LOVE IT! + Whats the song? >=3
loxy92 2 years ago
it's DJ Tiesto - Adiago For String
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
So good this will help me :)
wolffreak4life 2 years ago
Love it! Shows lots of emotion, and quite frankly, if this was your second animation - I would of thought it was your 100th. (thats how skilled it is!)
WillowleafWarrior 2 years ago
that was AWESOME!
CelicWolf 2 years ago
what do you use to animate :)X ?
darrenshanrawks2 2 years ago
sorry, but i'd appreciate if you'd read description. everything's in it.
i made this with MS Paint and Movie Maker. now i use Adobe Photoshop Elements.
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
Sorry :S
darrenshanrawks2 2 years ago
What is the name of the song?
Noryaw1 2 years ago
song is DJ Tiesto - Adiago For String
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
Very 'Watership Downs' looking. Good work.
comet3bc 2 years ago
wow.... AWSOME ^^ I suck at animating I. SUCK. SO. BADLY.
ginwolf1233 2 years ago
thank you :)
that propably is only your opinion (i mean that "i suck at animating"), i haven't seen your animations so i can't tell my opinion of it. but when you practise alot and watch how dogs/whatever moves, you'll learn alot. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
5/5, awesome
mmeellzzyy 2 years ago
That was incredible..it is a tad choppy but you're a really good artist aand good at creating the movement (not the actual movement but the different expressions and slides) so that makes up for it
5/5
vvelvettearss 2 years ago
thank you for commenting something else but "nice animation!" - it's always nice to hear what ppl do like in pictures/animations and what they don't like so much. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
Yeah it is, I totally know what you mean, you're welcome :) glad to be of help
vvelvettearss 2 years ago
try to search some animation tutorials from internet. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 2 years ago
Well done
Crowshadow96 2 years ago
That was so cool...O.O I think I might watch it again!! You draw wolves REALLY well!! ^.^
WolfPawDragonClaw 3 years ago
Claps, Better than my second one
ilovecrazystuff11 3 years ago
really nice, but maybe better if you sped it up a bit :D
spidereine 3 years ago
i think it wouldn't be any better. i didn't make enough frames to it that's why it looks so abrupt. when i was collecting animation parts together i tried to sped it up but then it was too quick and strange u know.. o.O'
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
yeah.. I must admire you for doing it on paint, it's hard ^^
spidereine 3 years ago
i can agree...whenever i sped up to much, mine look liek they got to hyped up on sugar lol
Heatherstar201 3 years ago
That was very good, I can't believe it's only your second animation
pyrowolfsbane 3 years ago
The lip synching still needs a bit of work, but the way he turns his head is absolutely dead on, and I love the change in perspective when he lunges. Awsome job, made more awsome because it's only your second animation - keep at it, I want to see more! :D 5/5
GoldenPhoenix101 3 years ago 2
thank you for criticism, i was waiting for that. :)
i have made alot of animations already, i have them on my computer. but i won't upload them yet, it's gonna be a "movie trailer" :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
Oooh sounds awsome! If I may, is the movie trailer for a series or something of the sort, and if so what's it called? I wanna look out for it :)
GoldenPhoenix101 3 years ago
wow for your secound thats pretty good.
Nothernwolfboarder 3 years ago
awsome! are you sure this is your second animation? it looks like you've been parcticing for years!
catbucky99 3 years ago
yes this is my second, thanks. :) there's two new animations at the end of my video "Me drawing a dog with MS Paint (+ animated xtra in the ending!)".
but now i've been making alot of animations 'cause i'm making a "trailer" for my dog/wolf comic.. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
nice!
ZHzero 3 years ago
1. When a wolf jumps, his legs go out behind him and he kind of..sails through the air. Not floating.
2. Made the fur different widths and point in different directions, like real hair, or else it starts to look spiky.
BlackEvanescence 3 years ago
wow, that was amazing! even for a short second time animation!!!! i could never ever ever ever ever ever do that! 5/5!!!!
smilingcatproduction 3 years ago
OMG how did u do that what program did u use???
maximumriderox 3 years ago
did you read description/information at all..?
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
Only one word can describe this....EPIC!!!
DeathProdigy 3 years ago
Yes . : Awesome.
MissPatatee 3 years ago
awesome!!!
Diamondstar53939 3 years ago
That was awesome!!!
Orochimarumania 3 years ago
Nice job!
MaskedMysterio619 3 years ago
Not bad!
wronglinewebkinz12 3 years ago
WoW!!!!
Omppu98 3 years ago
umm...kiitos? (wtf, WoW = World of Warcraft, wtf)
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
lol, cool animaton!
ShadowWolfclaw 3 years ago
OMG u r soooooooo good at this stuff!
u r amazing at this anime things!
i jst cnt put my finger on it :S but ur soo good! :D
megzx96 3 years ago
haha is that so? :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
what this is mucik?
suomikoira545 3 years ago
it's called DJ Tiesto - Adagio For Strings
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
WooT! Upia!
OkiDaemon 3 years ago
kiitti. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
wow, this should be your second animation ?
i cant believe this, because it's so
great ! amazing !
maheatok 3 years ago
yeah, this is my second one - believe it.
i'm happy if you really liked it so much. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
that was really good for a second shot at animating. I don't do it, no, but i know a lot about how it's done.
mouse264 3 years ago
That was the best animation I've ever seen.
Thank you so much.
johntweak 3 years ago
wow, you should probably get a life now that you've completed your masterpiece. maybe venture outside, it's probably been a while seeing how you've been spending the last 4 months indoors wanking about f'ing wolves. growing flamer.
bigskyjunkee456 3 years ago
what the hell..? are you trying to piss me off or something? sorry you failed. and quess what? i'll get a life when i want to. and what do you know about me?
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
FAGFAGFAGFAGFAGFAG!!!!!!
kellysoccer 3 years ago
well how do u do it on regulair paint
luvanimals33 3 years ago
just like with other programs. but you can't join them to animated .gif with that program, you need Photoshop or some animation program to do that.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
how do u animate things
luvanimals33 3 years ago
i animate just like others do:
draw many pictures that are pretty similar, only a little bit difference in those. then i just join them together in .gif format. (this one is made with Movie Maker, so that animation is not in .gif format)
you can find alot of tutorials of making animations if you use google or DeviantArt.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
awesom!!! ^^
what's the song calld?
bananen12321 3 years ago
thank youu.
i've answered to that question once, you should read previous comments before askin'. it's DJ Tiesto - Adagio For Strings
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
Woah, very cool o.o you sure this is only your second time?
naamhier 3 years ago
thanks!
and yeah it is my second. but i know dog's/wolf's anathomy pretty well so it's not so hard to make a movement.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
thank you really much!
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
its very very good, but i would speed it up a bit, as it looks a little choppy, and we want it smooth :)
lots of promise, i cant wait to see whats next from you!
if you're interested, i'm working on an animated series and i'm looking for animators willing to help with it!
TheRebelsHowl 3 years ago
Um awsome..Keep going clean it up and BAM! your will be amazing GRACE wait wat..I mean BAM YOU WILL BE AWSOME!...ER!
valalupe1 3 years ago
oh, thank you reaally much valalupe1. :D
i can tell you a secret, i'm working with a "movie trailer" about my soon-coming dog/wolf comic. when it's finished i'll upload it to YouTube.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
really nicely done!
whitewolftotem 3 years ago
fuck off this is awesom!! O_o
bananen12321 3 years ago
oh, thank you really much. o,o nice to hear that you like it
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
wats the song called?
twilight650 3 years ago
it is
DJ Tiesto - Adagio For Strings
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
so cool!
twilight650 3 years ago
thanks!
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
WOW! That is great! Especially for only your second animation in the world!
SyettaJ 3 years ago
yeah, it is my second one. :)
right now i'm working with "a trailer" about my dog comic.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
wow thats really good for 2nd animation =)
dx5000078 3 years ago 2
thanks. :D
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
poor pup
redheadsrule1969 3 years ago
he bit a pup poor pup
redheadsrule1969 3 years ago
yeah he did. :(
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
Jeez, that's AWESOME!
I wish I could draw/animate like that X3 Mine all turn out real choppy!
xXNeonwolfXx 3 years ago
haha. thank you. :)
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago
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im making wolf animated series and i need more ppl to help out go to this link
youtube(dot)com/watch?v=v6Ew1qEmmzc
awesome vid i love it XD RATED 5/5
dx5000078 3 years ago
that is seriously good! MS Paint is my all time favourite things about computers.
tictocfilms 3 years ago
thanks really much!
i agree with you, MS Paint is awesome program.
xxGlowingRaverxx 3 years ago