This cross is such a fake! Never part of the same structure?The heat from the fires melted them together? What a joke!!! These two beams were stand already connected in the underground railway station and these liars create a fairytale!
@atheist1904 You asked "who can believe such bullshit?" My answer: "most of the world." If humanity recognizes this as a "miracle," I can only imagine what such stupidity will do to this planet
@george77772moons my bad :) But to give you a boost in optimism, Most of the world doesn't believe this. It is only a big minority that believe in the christian God (and his miracles). I think there are at this point more muslims then christians...
Apart from them there are almost a billion non-theists, and so on.
It's like the face of Jesus on the toast... even most Christians think it's bs.
Hope all of the soul who died to rescue or surviving goes to heaven firefighter sacrifice for survivor and worker need to survive to support their children.
seeing as how there are a zillion sticks of steel in those two towers the odds were not terribly long that a configuration such as this would be found.Never the less,it is a powerful symbol and makes me want to take up arms against the islamist scum that did this to us.
People don't mind if tax-paying atheists finance another marketing campaign by non-tax-paying religious institutions?
The claim that it is just another piece of debris is a lie as I am sure a piece of debris resembling the Hindu swastika would not be chosen as the symbol for remembrance.
“I believe that in America where the separation of church and state is absolute -- where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote -- where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference -- and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.”
@TheScottism101 You cant even get the facts right. Seperation of church and state is the state shall make no law respecting a religion, nor a law restricting the free practice there of. So since this cross is not making a law, nor are the christians, in any way shape or form, making a law respecting a religion. That leaves us with the cold truth that the atheists are literally t rying to make a law preventing the free practice of a religion. Can you handle the cold truth or not?
@TheScottism101 And can you use that head on your shoulders for one minute, and see that you are in fact proposing something that violates the separation of church and state. Or does that logic just fly past your cranium.
@SupremeAmerican It is clear we both have a different understanding of the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. You're understanding is obviously right wing, and mine is left wing. I feel you are a bigot and you feel I am. Perhaps we're both right. At any rate, I'm not going to argue with you on the finer points of the Constitution because there are people far more qualified than me to do so. You are spitting in the faces of everyone who doesn't believe by having that cross their though.
@SupremeAmerican But I seriously doubt you care. You want everything your way and if you insult everyone on the way to get it, who cares right? You're turning this whole tragedy into a religious war and Atheist are trying to stop you. Don't be surprised that if that cross gets put up, to see every religion follow, including the Muslims. There will be a great big "A" standing next to your "T" you can count on that.
@TheScottism101 Ah really wow. Ur at a loss for words. FYI, any resemblance of honoring anyone, if lost, will be lost at the hands of atheist radicals.
this cross doesnt bother me because a lot of people suffered and died in the world trade center collapse so im thinking of that and not about religion or a cross. i dont believe in god but thats not the point
Consider how beams are placed together jackasses. cross sections. This is an inevitable outcome considering the pressures and heat involved in explosions and collapsing structures. this was a deliberate overreaching. and now its turned into a religious monument..
I have a suggestion, if you don't like seeing this "cross" there. Then Don't fucking look at it. Oh your fucking god! Why must everyone, be offended by everything? Live your fucking lives, and let everyone else live theirs. Who cares if it's a cross, fucking star of David or a huge erect cock! It's there, deal with it, or ignore it. I say bring back the Pledge of Allegiance to all our schools!
@zeppelin67637 Who cares? Well how about families of the Jews or Muslims or Atheists who lost their lives there? Once again the arrogance of the Christians shines though. This was a faith-based crime, to remember it with another faith-based symbol seems thoughtless. I am sure if we had looked through the rubble we could have found debris in the shape of a middle finger raised to heaven but that would be as ridiculous a symbol as this one. (ps good name for you....a large bag of hot air!)
@wildheartmuse bad news im not even christian. I just think all these fucking fools need to stop being so damn sensitive. Fact is this country was built on the belief of god. Don't like it? Don't live here. That simple. Or don't be so damned easily offended.
@zeppelin67637 This country was founded on the belief that religion should have no place in the running of the country. America is intended to be a secular country with a freedom of religion. Otherwise there would be no speration of church and state.
@aeondolphin ok fine? What does this have to do with running a country? All I'm saying is, I'm pretty tired of every lil bitch, bitching about every little thing.
@aeondolphin Seperation of church and state = "The government shall make no law respecting a religion or prohibiting the free practice of a religion''........ This cross going into a museum does not violate that. The only thing that violates seperation of church and state, is the radical atheists (not all are radical, but the few here are) that are making a ''law'' preventing the museum displaying a religious symbol, and the museum is not even endorsing it. You need to get over it, find facts.
@SupremeAmerican My response wasn't to the cross being displayed, it was to the statement that America was founded according to a belief in God. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding there.
@TheScottism101 State taxes pay for a lot of thigns. The problem is, there is no law being established to respect a religion, there is however, an attempt by the radical left, to establish a law preventing the practice there of. So you need to take a step back, put your bigotry against christians aside, and just look at the facts of the matter.
@SupremeAmerican They don't pay for religious symbols to be in museum. Especially with a bias toward Christianity. They don't because it would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Now if everyone would be allowed to put their religious symbols in the museum to "honor" the people who died that day, then that would be acceptable to me. It's the bias that bothers me and others like me. Why not put the cross upside down? It's still "just a cross" isn't it?
@TheScottism101 I don't know what united states you live in. But this one has a biased against christianity, not towards it. They arent breaking any laws. They arent being intollerant. It's a piece of history. Get over it.
@SupremeAmerican Um it's called America, where 80 percent of the country is Christian! How can you say there's a bias against Christianity when 80 percent of it's inhabitants are Christian!? You are ignorant if you actually believe that! What am I supposed to get over exactly? My desire to have every religion put up their religious symbols in a publicly funded Museum to honor the dead victims of 9/11? Maybe the Muslims should put their religious icons there too, wadaya think?
@TheScottism101 I'd love to see their icons there. But i will also not sit here and call the christians wrong for putting theirs up. It is ALWAYS the christians who are targeted by the left run media, and the left in general. Get over it.
@SupremeAmerican Your blanket ignorant "get over it" is funny. You get over it! No you get over it! No you. No YOU! Are you 7? What am I suppose to get over? Why don't you get over the fact that you're wrong and ignorant and just admit it? Wa wa wa I want my cross! I want my cross! That's what you sound like, but you sit here and hypocritically condemn people who oppose your views. Why don't you stop spitting the faces of the dead non believers who died that day and pick a different symbol!
@TheScottism101 Uh oh. U started throwing a fit. I knew it was only a matter of time. I aint condemning anyone, you're the one condemning the christians, because you're jealous. Get over it.
@TheScottism101 Actually, that's funny. Now back to where we were. What part of seperation of church and state is being broken like you claimed? Oh that's right, none of it. EXCEPT by the atheists trying to make a law to outlaw this cross in a museum. Uh oh. Looks like you lose this argument buddy. Now go run and hide. That's what you lefties always do when presented with facts. Good bye.
@SupremeAmerican That's what an ignorant person would say. Why do think it's even being taken seriously in our courts? Let me answer for you... Because Atheist have a valid point and this could very well violate the 1st amendment! I leave it in our Government's very capable hands to decide whether it's a violation or not. Good bye
@TheScottism101 Violation of what? It abides by the seperation of church and state, and it is very representative of the 1st ammendment. THe only one trying to shut anybody up is the atheist radicals. Nobody else is doing it.
@SupremeAmerican Ugh, you can't tax an entire population of people to pay for a biased religious symbol to be put in a publicly funded museum. Don't use tax money to pay for it, and the problem is solved. Maybe you should stop worrying about your precious religious symbol and just do what you are claiming to do, which is honor the dead. You are not honoring Atheist who died, or the Muslims who died that day with a cross are you? (Rhetorical)
@TheScottism101 Ur bigotry is blinding you from the legitimate points at hand. Point 1 - It is historical. Point 2 - It is perfectly fine and does not in any way shape or form degrade other religions or atheists. Point 3 - The Atheists are violating seperation of church and state, by trying to enforce a law to prohibit a religious piece of history. ----Conclusion: You're a bigot and intolerant. You do not believe in freedom of speech, nor the seperation of church and state. You are a poser.
@TheScottism101 And whether you agree with christianity or not, that's your own personal deal. Keep it to yourself. But a LOT of people were affected by this ''cross'' and it is now a legitimate part of history. There is no infraction on the christian side here, breaking seperation of church and state. The only infraction, is the atheists trying to use the state to silence history, becauseit has a religious symbol. The atheists are at fault here. And no, i am not religious. Just pointing it out.
@wildheartmuse The jews WANT this up there. THey are appalled at the so called wannabe atheists demanding it not be allowed in the museum. Get over it.
@zeppelin67637 You mean the Pledge of Allegiance pre 1954 when it didn't have the words "under god" in it? You know the one, the one this country was founded on. Or do you mean the one that came after 1954 WITH the words "under god" in it which, by the way, is still said in private schools across america. It used to be okay to say it in public schools and now it isn't, get over it.
@zeppelin67637 According you maybe, but according to the United States government there is a reason. According to our constitution, there is a reason. Those are two reasons for ya. Don't like it? Leave.
@zeppelin67637 It's called the Establishment Clause. Look it up. That being said, it's still a hot debate between the left and right as to exactly how it should be applied to law making. But it applied to the Pledge with the words "under god" as it was forcing kids to pledge allegiance to a Christian god, Which was not cool with our constitution or the clause.
@TheScottism101 the pledge, nor the money, a nd any resemblance of, with their usage of the word "God," have nothing to do with the Christian God. That is your blind, uneducated hateful ignorance shining through.
According to who? The pledge has everything to do with the Christian God for the US wanted to distance itself from the terrible, militant atheism of the Soviet Union.
"In God we trust" stems from the bible and is taken from Francis Scott Key, you know the writer of the US National Anthem and devout Christian, where in the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner he wrote "...and this shall be our motto 'In God is our trust'".
@Jim1905 no that's a pretty blind and biggotted view. The thing it's talking about with God in it, means more or less, we are humans, we are the top of the food chain, we need to come and understand what that means, and respect it, as a nation, and not bow down to another dictatorial man, only to God, which to some, may be simply existence.
lol ok yes but what they had in mind was the Judeo-Christian God; that there is a Law higher then the Dictator. And no it was not simply existence because that does not grant Cosmic Justice and Rule of Law. You can say it's blind and bigotted all you like but it's a dangerous thing trying to warp or even change history to you whim.
@Jim1905 The only attempt at warping or even changing history here is done by folks like you who associate that term of God with the Christian God. That is done out of sheer blind bigotry. Those are the facts.
Sure, despite the fact that everything said, done and expressed contradicts your "facts". Did you step out of some Orwellian nightmare where history is changed to the tune of the state?
@Jim1905 Nah. Nothing said done or expressed contradicts the fact that the pledge and money refrences to "God" is not meant to depict Judeo-Christian God. You just wish it was so you can say "oh those christians are intollerant".
Sure, I told you where they came from, why and what they meant and you give me "No".I think it's clear you would just like to deny this in order to further your own agenda. The sick part is I honestly think you believe your own b.s. propaganda.
@Jim1905 No you told me what you thought they meant, based on your bigotted opinion against christianity. Not what they actually meant. BTW brah. Communism killed more people in the 20th century alone than all religions in all history combined. Thought i would remind you of that.
Ok, except I told you where "In God we trust" came from...and I told you why the pledge has the God in it, to fight against militant atheism. You're the one who is bigotted; you refuse to accept the truth and go about spouting lies.
Yes, I know that and who would advocate for a communist state? A state that's inherently atheist (b/c the state is the supreme law and cannot accept nor acknowledge any higher power).
@Jim1905 You simply told me your opinions. And i find your opinions lacking of fact and substance. That's why i said you were a bigot. Sorry if i have offended you that was mean of me. But the point is. You are the one attempting to change history with your own dellusions. I am only after the facts. And the facts state that there is no mention of judeo christian god as the basis for the pledge or word god in our money.
My own opinion? Is it my opinion that the motto came from Francis Scott Key, a devout christian? That it stems directly from the bible? Have you ever heard the battle hymn of the republic? Or that that God was added into the Pledge in order to reject an atheist state?
@Jim1905 Scott Key had nothing to do with the pledge, nor the word god on our money. And in those two cases, no, i have not heard of it being associated with a christian god, but yes, i have heard it was used as a moral booster during the fight against communism.
Yes it did as it became the motto "And our motto shall be: 'In God is our Trust'" and was shortened down. It was also put on all US Currency at the request of dozens of christian ministers. The fact is the Establishment clause originally meant the Federal Government couldn't interfere with individual state religions. Also it wasn't until 1984 that it was misused to denounce public displays of God; so don't pretend that it was the US original intention.
@Jim1905 Scott Key was a poet. People over heard his poem about a battle, and they were powerful people. United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise." Found it.
@zeppelin67637 if you don't like the constituion, then gtfo of the country you asshole. you are the same type that is against the muslim community center and anything secular....
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 I couldn't give a shit less about the community center. Though it seems a little in your face to put it so near a spot that was destroyed by muslim extremists.
@zeppelin67637 there are churches built near bombed abortion clinics and near where the nazis killed us. in fact, when a christian kills someone, other christians hold prayer things.
HOLY SHIT! I threw some pencils in the air and they rested as crosses.. Look, of all the debris from ground zero, there was probably peace signs and 666s too.
@LegendaryAsshole Wish we had found one shaped like a middle finger! But seriously, a Peace sign is universal isn't it? Would that not be a better choice?
The reason that the cross honors the victims of 9/11 actually isn't religious. It's because the beams were from the wreckage at ground zero. I had to look up what the definition of a phallus is. What do you think the
Washington Monument is?
It's constitutional because nothing about this cross is prohibited by the constitution, and is further protected by the rights given in the constitution.
@vjohn16 You seem to be disregarding the feelings of many Americans (and remember not only Americans died there!) by suggesting the cross isn't religious. A peace sign is universal and would have been a far better and far less offensive symbol.......it also represents Peace not the painful death of a mythical superhero.
If a menorah, plastic santa, or whatever a phallus is honors the victims of 9/11, than I have no problem with it being built. It just happens to be a cross. Plus, it's completely Constitutional, and it doesn't effect you at all.
@Epionea "Why would God stop the planes? That would take away human decision, destroy free will. Humans cause wars and terrorism, because we are in sin."
Several children died on that tragic day. Including a 2 year old on one of the airliners. Now according to you, god didn't stop the planes because of the sins of the people on board. So tell me, what kind of sins could a 2 yr old have possibly committed? Do you know what critical thought is? Please exercise it and avoid such idiotic posts!
@nosajj12345 Please reread my comment, because you have completely misunderstood. The sin was in reference to the people who cause the wars, the terrorists, not the victims. So in future, don't lecture someone on idiocy when you cannot understand a statement yourself.
Yes thank god for the cross it's one piece of evidence that the beams were cut.. look at the far left beam.. perfect right angle CUT! Steal does not break that way.
@anda1234re So your god expended telekinetic effort in order to manipulate millions of tons of debris to fall in just the right way so that a section steel skeleton would be cut into a cross. Hmmm....
Couldn't he have applied that same "miraculous" effort toward the planes, nudging them just a bit, so that they crashed into the Hudson rather then the towers? And please don't tell me this was part of his "plan."
You'll only look even more foolish and stupid than you already do.
@katlovesall " it's one piece of evidence that the beams were cut.. look at the far left beam.. perfect right angle CUT! Steal does not break that way."
When you have a half million tons of jagged debris moving at over 100 mph, finding steel cut clean through would not be at all surprising. Its simple physics. Of course, if you were more interested in using your head rather than giving in to these old and stale conspiracy theories, you would have deduced this for yourself. Wake up dummy!
This comment makes NO sense!!! You try to claim God, not people made this cross, then you ask why God, NOT PEOPLE didn't stop the planes! Does not America have the BEST air force in the world??? The failure is on the American people, NOT GOD!!!!
I personally think that the British RAF is better than the US Air Force, but that's a matter of opinion.
I don't claim that god made the cross. I don't believe in god. I was making a point about how irrational it is to believe that god made the cross. If god made the cross, why didn't he stop the planes? Answer: he neither made the cross nor refrained from stopping the planes, because he doesn't exist.
WANT TO KNOW?? MANY YEARS AGO USA BELIEVED ON GOD... EVERY ONE FOLLOW GOD RULES AND EVERYONE IN THAT TTIME READ THE BIBLE!... WHAT ABOUT NOW? NO ONE CARE ABOUT GOD... NO ONE BELIEVE IN GOD... PEOPLE ONLY THE SIN WAY!
DO YOU THINK GOD CAN mAKE ANYTHING?? HOW? NO ONE BELIEVE HIM
Not everyone. That idea of a completely monotheistic society you have in mind is an utter delusion you have constructed for the sole purpose of finding escape and reason for your disillusion within your reality.
Also, millions of children wholeheartedly believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy. They really, truly care about these fabrications; by your reasoning, such a large number of individuals with the same beliefs should constitute these childhood myths to exist.
I have yet to see a man fly a sleigh through the sky, and a flying midget does not exchange my lost teeth for money.
Please think before you post such irrational garbage.
This cross is such a fake! Never part of the same structure?The heat from the fires melted them together? What a joke!!! These two beams were stand already connected in the underground railway station and these liars create a fairytale!
74pbg 2 months ago
funny how this 'god' lets 3000 people die and then tries to apologize by sending us a cross...
Who can believe such bs?
atheist1904 5 months ago
@atheist1904 Apparently most of the world... who else is as fucking worried about the future as I am?
george77772moons 4 months ago
@george77772moons What are you talking about? I really have no idea how your answer is relevant to my comment.
cheers
atheist1904 4 months ago
@atheist1904 You asked "who can believe such bullshit?" My answer: "most of the world." If humanity recognizes this as a "miracle," I can only imagine what such stupidity will do to this planet
george77772moons 4 months ago
@george77772moons my bad :) But to give you a boost in optimism, Most of the world doesn't believe this. It is only a big minority that believe in the christian God (and his miracles). I think there are at this point more muslims then christians...
Apart from them there are almost a billion non-theists, and so on.
It's like the face of Jesus on the toast... even most Christians think it's bs.
atheist1904 4 months ago
@atheist1904 your satan
ho8734 3 months ago
@ho8734 who are you? Kirk Cameron? banana man? ...
atheist1904 3 months ago
@atheist1904 batman
ho8734 3 months ago
could have saved life but stupid dog saved his cross to boost his power how is this fucking piece of metal superior to human life . . .
aniket413413 5 months ago
the 6 people that disliked this are atheist scum :/ or nonchristian
godistheway123 5 months ago
@godistheway123 and now there are seven...
atheist1904 5 months ago
To me it looks like scrap metal
megaharuko25 5 months ago
Put the cross in a church wear it belongs, not on public property
glyptar1 5 months ago
Hope all of the soul who died to rescue or surviving goes to heaven firefighter sacrifice for survivor and worker need to survive to support their children.
ontina121a 5 months ago
seeing as how there are a zillion sticks of steel in those two towers the odds were not terribly long that a configuration such as this would be found.Never the less,it is a powerful symbol and makes me want to take up arms against the islamist scum that did this to us.
rw5791 5 months ago
Only vampires fear the cross-
dreinstein27 5 months ago
People don't mind if tax-paying atheists finance another marketing campaign by non-tax-paying religious institutions?
The claim that it is just another piece of debris is a lie as I am sure a piece of debris resembling the Hindu swastika would not be chosen as the symbol for remembrance.
StopSpamming1 6 months ago
@theCuno100 I wouldn't take that bet lol
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
“I believe that in America where the separation of church and state is absolute -- where no Catholic prelate would tell the president (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote -- where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference -- and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the president who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.”
J F Kennedy
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 You cant even get the facts right. Seperation of church and state is the state shall make no law respecting a religion, nor a law restricting the free practice there of. So since this cross is not making a law, nor are the christians, in any way shape or form, making a law respecting a religion. That leaves us with the cold truth that the atheists are literally t rying to make a law preventing the free practice of a religion. Can you handle the cold truth or not?
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican amen
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 And can you use that head on your shoulders for one minute, and see that you are in fact proposing something that violates the separation of church and state. Or does that logic just fly past your cranium.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican It is clear we both have a different understanding of the Establishment Clause in the Constitution. You're understanding is obviously right wing, and mine is left wing. I feel you are a bigot and you feel I am. Perhaps we're both right. At any rate, I'm not going to argue with you on the finer points of the Constitution because there are people far more qualified than me to do so. You are spitting in the faces of everyone who doesn't believe by having that cross their though.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican But I seriously doubt you care. You want everything your way and if you insult everyone on the way to get it, who cares right? You're turning this whole tragedy into a religious war and Atheist are trying to stop you. Don't be surprised that if that cross gets put up, to see every religion follow, including the Muslims. There will be a great big "A" standing next to your "T" you can count on that.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican And any resemblance of honoring anyone will be lost in a sea of religious idolatry!
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Ah really wow. Ur at a loss for words. FYI, any resemblance of honoring anyone, if lost, will be lost at the hands of atheist radicals.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
this cross doesnt bother me because a lot of people suffered and died in the world trade center collapse so im thinking of that and not about religion or a cross. i dont believe in god but thats not the point
drastaify 7 months ago
"sorry i couldn't save you all, heres a cross instead." - God
superweegee 7 months ago
@superweegee oh btw get off my dick i started the 'get over it' fad. So get over it. And try not to get your ass kicked in an argument next time.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
Consider how beams are placed together jackasses. cross sections. This is an inevitable outcome considering the pressures and heat involved in explosions and collapsing structures. this was a deliberate overreaching. and now its turned into a religious monument..
I promise you, this will be torn down
LegendaryAsshole 7 months ago
I have a suggestion, if you don't like seeing this "cross" there. Then Don't fucking look at it. Oh your fucking god! Why must everyone, be offended by everything? Live your fucking lives, and let everyone else live theirs. Who cares if it's a cross, fucking star of David or a huge erect cock! It's there, deal with it, or ignore it. I say bring back the Pledge of Allegiance to all our schools!
zeppelin67637 7 months ago 2
@zeppelin67637 Who cares? Well how about families of the Jews or Muslims or Atheists who lost their lives there? Once again the arrogance of the Christians shines though. This was a faith-based crime, to remember it with another faith-based symbol seems thoughtless. I am sure if we had looked through the rubble we could have found debris in the shape of a middle finger raised to heaven but that would be as ridiculous a symbol as this one. (ps good name for you....a large bag of hot air!)
wildheartmuse 7 months ago
@wildheartmuse bad news im not even christian. I just think all these fucking fools need to stop being so damn sensitive. Fact is this country was built on the belief of god. Don't like it? Don't live here. That simple. Or don't be so damned easily offended.
zeppelin67637 7 months ago
@zeppelin67637 This country was founded on the belief that religion should have no place in the running of the country. America is intended to be a secular country with a freedom of religion. Otherwise there would be no speration of church and state.
aeondolphin 6 months ago
@aeondolphin ok fine? What does this have to do with running a country? All I'm saying is, I'm pretty tired of every lil bitch, bitching about every little thing.
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
@aeondolphin Seperation of church and state = "The government shall make no law respecting a religion or prohibiting the free practice of a religion''........ This cross going into a museum does not violate that. The only thing that violates seperation of church and state, is the radical atheists (not all are radical, but the few here are) that are making a ''law'' preventing the museum displaying a religious symbol, and the museum is not even endorsing it. You need to get over it, find facts.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican My response wasn't to the cross being displayed, it was to the statement that America was founded according to a belief in God. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding there.
aeondolphin 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican It does when state taxes are paying for it.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 State taxes pay for a lot of thigns. The problem is, there is no law being established to respect a religion, there is however, an attempt by the radical left, to establish a law preventing the practice there of. So you need to take a step back, put your bigotry against christians aside, and just look at the facts of the matter.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican They don't pay for religious symbols to be in museum. Especially with a bias toward Christianity. They don't because it would be a violation of the 1st amendment. Now if everyone would be allowed to put their religious symbols in the museum to "honor" the people who died that day, then that would be acceptable to me. It's the bias that bothers me and others like me. Why not put the cross upside down? It's still "just a cross" isn't it?
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 I don't know what united states you live in. But this one has a biased against christianity, not towards it. They arent breaking any laws. They arent being intollerant. It's a piece of history. Get over it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Um it's called America, where 80 percent of the country is Christian! How can you say there's a bias against Christianity when 80 percent of it's inhabitants are Christian!? You are ignorant if you actually believe that! What am I supposed to get over exactly? My desire to have every religion put up their religious symbols in a publicly funded Museum to honor the dead victims of 9/11? Maybe the Muslims should put their religious icons there too, wadaya think?
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 I'd love to see their icons there. But i will also not sit here and call the christians wrong for putting theirs up. It is ALWAYS the christians who are targeted by the left run media, and the left in general. Get over it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Your blanket ignorant "get over it" is funny. You get over it! No you get over it! No you. No YOU! Are you 7? What am I suppose to get over? Why don't you get over the fact that you're wrong and ignorant and just admit it? Wa wa wa I want my cross! I want my cross! That's what you sound like, but you sit here and hypocritically condemn people who oppose your views. Why don't you stop spitting the faces of the dead non believers who died that day and pick a different symbol!
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Uh oh. U started throwing a fit. I knew it was only a matter of time. I aint condemning anyone, you're the one condemning the christians, because you're jealous. Get over it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican You are ignorant, a hypocrite, and dumb. I'm over you.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Actually, that's funny. Now back to where we were. What part of seperation of church and state is being broken like you claimed? Oh that's right, none of it. EXCEPT by the atheists trying to make a law to outlaw this cross in a museum. Uh oh. Looks like you lose this argument buddy. Now go run and hide. That's what you lefties always do when presented with facts. Good bye.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican That's what an ignorant person would say. Why do think it's even being taken seriously in our courts? Let me answer for you... Because Atheist have a valid point and this could very well violate the 1st amendment! I leave it in our Government's very capable hands to decide whether it's a violation or not. Good bye
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Violation of what? It abides by the seperation of church and state, and it is very representative of the 1st ammendment. THe only one trying to shut anybody up is the atheist radicals. Nobody else is doing it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican Ugh, you can't tax an entire population of people to pay for a biased religious symbol to be put in a publicly funded museum. Don't use tax money to pay for it, and the problem is solved. Maybe you should stop worrying about your precious religious symbol and just do what you are claiming to do, which is honor the dead. You are not honoring Atheist who died, or the Muslims who died that day with a cross are you? (Rhetorical)
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Ur bigotry is blinding you from the legitimate points at hand. Point 1 - It is historical. Point 2 - It is perfectly fine and does not in any way shape or form degrade other religions or atheists. Point 3 - The Atheists are violating seperation of church and state, by trying to enforce a law to prohibit a religious piece of history. ----Conclusion: You're a bigot and intolerant. You do not believe in freedom of speech, nor the seperation of church and state. You are a poser.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 And whether you agree with christianity or not, that's your own personal deal. Keep it to yourself. But a LOT of people were affected by this ''cross'' and it is now a legitimate part of history. There is no infraction on the christian side here, breaking seperation of church and state. The only infraction, is the atheists trying to use the state to silence history, becauseit has a religious symbol. The atheists are at fault here. And no, i am not religious. Just pointing it out.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@wildheartmuse The jews WANT this up there. THey are appalled at the so called wannabe atheists demanding it not be allowed in the museum. Get over it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 You mean the Pledge of Allegiance pre 1954 when it didn't have the words "under god" in it? You know the one, the one this country was founded on. Or do you mean the one that came after 1954 WITH the words "under god" in it which, by the way, is still said in private schools across america. It used to be okay to say it in public schools and now it isn't, get over it.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 Theres no reason for it not to be ok.
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 According you maybe, but according to the United States government there is a reason. According to our constitution, there is a reason. Those are two reasons for ya. Don't like it? Leave.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 If your talking about separation of church and state, theres nothing in our constitution about it.
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 It's called the Establishment Clause. Look it up. That being said, it's still a hot debate between the left and right as to exactly how it should be applied to law making. But it applied to the Pledge with the words "under god" as it was forcing kids to pledge allegiance to a Christian god, Which was not cool with our constitution or the clause.
TheScottism101 6 months ago
@TheScottism101 the pledge, nor the money, a nd any resemblance of, with their usage of the word "God," have nothing to do with the Christian God. That is your blind, uneducated hateful ignorance shining through.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
According to who? The pledge has everything to do with the Christian God for the US wanted to distance itself from the terrible, militant atheism of the Soviet Union.
"In God we trust" stems from the bible and is taken from Francis Scott Key, you know the writer of the US National Anthem and devout Christian, where in the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner he wrote "...and this shall be our motto 'In God is our trust'".
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 no that's a pretty blind and biggotted view. The thing it's talking about with God in it, means more or less, we are humans, we are the top of the food chain, we need to come and understand what that means, and respect it, as a nation, and not bow down to another dictatorial man, only to God, which to some, may be simply existence.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
lol ok yes but what they had in mind was the Judeo-Christian God; that there is a Law higher then the Dictator. And no it was not simply existence because that does not grant Cosmic Justice and Rule of Law. You can say it's blind and bigotted all you like but it's a dangerous thing trying to warp or even change history to you whim.
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 The only attempt at warping or even changing history here is done by folks like you who associate that term of God with the Christian God. That is done out of sheer blind bigotry. Those are the facts.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Sure, despite the fact that everything said, done and expressed contradicts your "facts". Did you step out of some Orwellian nightmare where history is changed to the tune of the state?
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 Nah. Nothing said done or expressed contradicts the fact that the pledge and money refrences to "God" is not meant to depict Judeo-Christian God. You just wish it was so you can say "oh those christians are intollerant".
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Sure, I told you where they came from, why and what they meant and you give me "No".I think it's clear you would just like to deny this in order to further your own agenda. The sick part is I honestly think you believe your own b.s. propaganda.
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 No you told me what you thought they meant, based on your bigotted opinion against christianity. Not what they actually meant. BTW brah. Communism killed more people in the 20th century alone than all religions in all history combined. Thought i would remind you of that.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Ok, except I told you where "In God we trust" came from...and I told you why the pledge has the God in it, to fight against militant atheism. You're the one who is bigotted; you refuse to accept the truth and go about spouting lies.
Yes, I know that and who would advocate for a communist state? A state that's inherently atheist (b/c the state is the supreme law and cannot accept nor acknowledge any higher power).
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 You simply told me your opinions. And i find your opinions lacking of fact and substance. That's why i said you were a bigot. Sorry if i have offended you that was mean of me. But the point is. You are the one attempting to change history with your own dellusions. I am only after the facts. And the facts state that there is no mention of judeo christian god as the basis for the pledge or word god in our money.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
My own opinion? Is it my opinion that the motto came from Francis Scott Key, a devout christian? That it stems directly from the bible? Have you ever heard the battle hymn of the republic? Or that that God was added into the Pledge in order to reject an atheist state?
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 Scott Key had nothing to do with the pledge, nor the word god on our money. And in those two cases, no, i have not heard of it being associated with a christian god, but yes, i have heard it was used as a moral booster during the fight against communism.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@SupremeAmerican
Yes it did as it became the motto "And our motto shall be: 'In God is our Trust'" and was shortened down. It was also put on all US Currency at the request of dozens of christian ministers. The fact is the Establishment clause originally meant the Federal Government couldn't interfere with individual state religions. Also it wasn't until 1984 that it was misused to denounce public displays of God; so don't pretend that it was the US original intention.
Jim1905 6 months ago
@Jim1905 Scott Key was a poet. People over heard his poem about a battle, and they were powerful people. United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled: "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise." Found it.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 Basically scott keys used it from the bible. But the people who adopted it as our motto did not have that intention.
SupremeAmerican 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 if you don't like the constituion, then gtfo of the country you asshole. you are the same type that is against the muslim community center and anything secular....
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 6 months ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 I couldn't give a shit less about the community center. Though it seems a little in your face to put it so near a spot that was destroyed by muslim extremists.
zeppelin67637 6 months ago
@zeppelin67637 there are churches built near bombed abortion clinics and near where the nazis killed us. in fact, when a christian kills someone, other christians hold prayer things.
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 6 months ago
HOLY SHIT! I threw some pencils in the air and they rested as crosses.. Look, of all the debris from ground zero, there was probably peace signs and 666s too.
LegendaryAsshole 7 months ago
@LegendaryAsshole no you asshole if a base of a 107 story building stands straight up thats amazing, considering its the only piece standing from it.
TecZero1000 7 months ago
@TecZero1000 It was dug up. It was lifted upright
LegendaryAsshole 7 months ago
@LegendaryAsshole Wish we had found one shaped like a middle finger! But seriously, a Peace sign is universal isn't it? Would that not be a better choice?
wildheartmuse 7 months ago
@Helotes420
The reason that the cross honors the victims of 9/11 actually isn't religious. It's because the beams were from the wreckage at ground zero. I had to look up what the definition of a phallus is. What do you think the
Washington Monument is?
It's constitutional because nothing about this cross is prohibited by the constitution, and is further protected by the rights given in the constitution.
vjohn16 7 months ago
@vjohn16 You seem to be disregarding the feelings of many Americans (and remember not only Americans died there!) by suggesting the cross isn't religious. A peace sign is universal and would have been a far better and far less offensive symbol.......it also represents Peace not the painful death of a mythical superhero.
wildheartmuse 7 months ago
@Helotes420
If a menorah, plastic santa, or whatever a phallus is honors the victims of 9/11, than I have no problem with it being built. It just happens to be a cross. Plus, it's completely Constitutional, and it doesn't effect you at all.
vjohn16 7 months ago
@Helotes420
No one is stopping you guys from waving a rainbow flag. This cross is defended by the Constitution.
vjohn16 7 months ago
Where is the WTC Jewish star of David or the Hindu OM symbol?
MissThinkabunch 7 months ago
There is no fucking god! The cross was planned you idiots. Holy shit!
beefpearl 7 months ago
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@beefpearl "There is no fucking god! The cross was planned....."
Planned??
Explain.
nosajj12345 7 months ago
Why would God stop the planes? That would take away human decision, destroy free will. Humans cause wars and terrorism, because we are in sin.
Epionea 8 months ago
@Epionea "Why would God stop the planes? That would take away human decision, destroy free will. Humans cause wars and terrorism, because we are in sin."
Several children died on that tragic day. Including a 2 year old on one of the airliners. Now according to you, god didn't stop the planes because of the sins of the people on board. So tell me, what kind of sins could a 2 yr old have possibly committed? Do you know what critical thought is? Please exercise it and avoid such idiotic posts!
nosajj12345 7 months ago
@nosajj12345 Please reread my comment, because you have completely misunderstood. The sin was in reference to the people who cause the wars, the terrorists, not the victims. So in future, don't lecture someone on idiocy when you cannot understand a statement yourself.
Epionea 7 months ago
Yes thank god for the cross it's one piece of evidence that the beams were cut.. look at the far left beam.. perfect right angle CUT! Steal does not break that way.
katlovesall 1 year ago
@katlovesall There is a photo of this cross in the rubble soon after they found it and it''s the way you see it here...
clayguy1 1 year ago
@katlovesall thats the power of GOD.he shows us that he also suffered on the cross.
anda1234re 1 year ago
@anda1234re So your god expended telekinetic effort in order to manipulate millions of tons of debris to fall in just the right way so that a section steel skeleton would be cut into a cross. Hmmm....
Couldn't he have applied that same "miraculous" effort toward the planes, nudging them just a bit, so that they crashed into the Hudson rather then the towers? And please don't tell me this was part of his "plan."
You'll only look even more foolish and stupid than you already do.
nosajj12345 7 months ago
@katlovesall " it's one piece of evidence that the beams were cut.. look at the far left beam.. perfect right angle CUT! Steal does not break that way."
When you have a half million tons of jagged debris moving at over 100 mph, finding steel cut clean through would not be at all surprising. Its simple physics. Of course, if you were more interested in using your head rather than giving in to these old and stale conspiracy theories, you would have deduced this for yourself. Wake up dummy!
nosajj12345 7 months ago
@nosajj12345 Still wondering why there was molten steel there in the first place?
XxRushx 7 months ago
can somebody please tell me what the strange thing on the left arm of the cross is?
it looks like a piece of newspaper caught on it, but obviously it is some piece of metal
it is a beautiful memorial
tomw121314 2 years ago
@tomw121314 it is obviously an aluminium tear drop from god.
petelovesrat 7 months ago
it's beautiful and scary
tajakjejtam 2 years ago
mr.cinnamon3 is rite man, God is a great person and God is Awesome. We lost lives in that crash beacuse of heartless people.
lilknight54 2 years ago
A sign of comfort? If God caused the cross to be made, why didn't he stop the planes from flying into the towers?
lexo30 3 years ago
This comment makes NO sense!!! You try to claim God, not people made this cross, then you ask why God, NOT PEOPLE didn't stop the planes! Does not America have the BEST air force in the world??? The failure is on the American people, NOT GOD!!!!
Theorphicvagabond 2 years ago
I personally think that the British RAF is better than the US Air Force, but that's a matter of opinion.
I don't claim that god made the cross. I don't believe in god. I was making a point about how irrational it is to believe that god made the cross. If god made the cross, why didn't he stop the planes? Answer: he neither made the cross nor refrained from stopping the planes, because he doesn't exist.
I hope that's clear.
lexo30 2 years ago
Why didn't the American Air force stop the planes???
Why didn't the people on board stop the terrorists???
Why did the Bush family fly the Bin Laden family out the day after the attacks???
Because its people who do bad things in this world, we choose to lie, steal and murder our fellow humans!
We choose to want everything for us and nothing for them!
We choose to ignore the screams of hunger, loneliness, cold, pain!
But this still does not mean that God doesn't exist, in fact it proves it!!!
Theorphicvagabond 2 years ago
WANT TO KNOW?? MANY YEARS AGO USA BELIEVED ON GOD... EVERY ONE FOLLOW GOD RULES AND EVERYONE IN THAT TTIME READ THE BIBLE!... WHAT ABOUT NOW? NO ONE CARE ABOUT GOD... NO ONE BELIEVE IN GOD... PEOPLE ONLY THE SIN WAY!
DO YOU THINK GOD CAN mAKE ANYTHING?? HOW? NO ONE BELIEVE HIM
TiagoAguiar69 2 years ago
Not everyone. That idea of a completely monotheistic society you have in mind is an utter delusion you have constructed for the sole purpose of finding escape and reason for your disillusion within your reality.
anmpir 2 years ago
Also, millions of children wholeheartedly believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny & the Tooth Fairy. They really, truly care about these fabrications; by your reasoning, such a large number of individuals with the same beliefs should constitute these childhood myths to exist.
I have yet to see a man fly a sleigh through the sky, and a flying midget does not exchange my lost teeth for money.
Please think before you post such irrational garbage.
anmpir 2 years ago
he didnt stop them but those who died god was with them and they didnt feel a thing when they died
shallow1000 2 years ago
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@shallow1000 "he didnt stop them but those who died god was with them and they didnt feel a thing when they died"
You'll tell yourself anything to make the pain go away, won't you?
Pgaither84 9 months ago
dude, dont joke that, so many people lost loved ones, u r a heartless person
MrCinnamon4 3 years ago 14
@MrCinnamon4 It is exactly for that reason we should be able to joke.
LegendaryAsshole 7 months ago
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Cross? Looks more like a "t" which stands for terrorist.
junklock 3 years ago