Multiple people here are saying congress needs to approve the president to send troops. You think Congress was consulted for Mogadishu? Y'all are so full of shit. Congress can however, simply cut funding if they don't like what's going on.
@streetracer6rpt you are right, that is the most impressive thing with that heavy fire i doubtly that any military force of any country would survive like Rangers did. Rangers Lead The Way
Congress was pretty strict on what kind equipment to send into mogadishu,They where more worried over civilians who were by this time during UNOSOM II "In an us -vs- them mentality" to become causualties,The cobra gun run we did on a safe house days earlier apparently pist the somalis off more,After that we didn't get any more heavy equipment so instead of AC-130s we got MH-60s,instead of Tanks we got 5 ton trucks,instead of APCs we got HUMVEES,Our Rangers got un unfair deal IMO.
@ridder6689 Many people think that Somalia was an all out war but U.S. forces weren't send into Somalia to blow it to Kingdom come like the Iraq War and Afghanistan was, they were sent on a humanitarian mission to help the starving Somalian people. Congress didn't want to make it an all out war against a bunch of gangs who had not necessary equipment to fight us, that's why Congress didn't want to send out heavy weapons to U.S. forces in Somalia.
@ajmidget94 I didn't say the Ranger unit requested it, Garrison did once or twice Powell and Aspin outright denied the request plus Clinton didn't want to send a message to the public that the mission would go from feeding people to warlord hunting after the pakistani patrol was torn too ribbons. After that Garrison felt that the 5 ton trucks and Humvees might not stand a chance from heavily concentrated RPG fire.
Washington denied the use of APC and that was the WORST mistake they've made, AC-130 could cause collateral damage but if APC were available, Super 61 wouldn't have to do a slow, low flyover for sniper cover as the convoy move out which was the beginning to the whole chaos (they could stay up in orbiting patern while Deltas rush their prisoners onto APC and APC speed out of the city like race cars to avoid RPG) The C2 bird should do a flyover to scan for roadblocks so the convoy can speed throug
@ajmidget94 The Rangers worked with APCs and gunships before somalia and it turned out just as good. and the 5 ton truck drivers said they where ramming in to walls every time they had to make a turn going at top speed one even wanted to put his truck in front of the convoy to use it to ram the road blocks seeing that the somalis set up wrecked cars and buring tires and shit like that.
@ridder6689 garrison was in charge of the unit, if he requested it the unit requested it, same thing. and no, he did not. that is an urban myth perpetuated by the angry father of a ranger who was kia. garrison made no such request.
@ajmidget94 My bad your are right.. in way, i meant Garrisons request for just the APCs and not tanks or gunships those came later when it was too late. Gen. Thomas M. Montgomery (general of US forces before Garrison) made the request for Gunships and APCs and was denied it twice and not garrison. We had many Gens. and Adms. incharge during both UNOSOM operations it's hard to distinguish between who said what at the time.
the mission objectives were accomplished, the reason it was a fiasco was the loss of two blackhawks and 19 young men. But the mission wasn't unsuccessful.
@superman74401 they got the right guys dumb ass you dont know what your talking about and it wasnt a stupid mission it was a mission that went wrong and it all went to shit and we still got out of it with only 19 KIA
Garrison, task force ranger, never asked for armor.
Montgomery, 10th mountain division, asked for the armor for his QRF.
He asked in late sept, which meant if he had gotten it, it likely would not have been in place Oct 3 anyway.
And, because it would have been attached to the 10th mountain, it would have had no role in the initial raid, and would not have been mobilized until after the blackhawks were shot down
We're the 75th ranger regiment, its our job, well worry about ours and you can worry about whatever it is you think you do.
We leave no man behind, im sorry to hear you don't appreciate the fact they were willing to save the downed birds turning the battle into what it became.
Ok sorry your pride was hurt by his comment in some way, but he's correct. The man in charge of the planning and preparing of this operation tried to make it short and sweet, but Murphy's law is ever present so of course it got fucked up. What Jimmy is saying is that the mission would of went 10 times better if they would of had more support, better planning, and more firepower. Yes the retrieval of the downed heli crew is much appreciated and all of our armed forces leave no man behind.
Well they got light armor. The convoy was made up of just HV's with 50's and 2 Large carrying trucks to carry the rangers/delta/targets out. They went in very light and only had assistance from the mini birds and black hawks. Plus Washington doesn't get to ok or deny on what equipment is used on the mission. That belongs to the Military AKA the man in charge's higher ups. Or he was high enough in command to get whaterver he wanted.
@DEWood1995 hey fucktard...it was washinton that DENIED their request for APCs and AC-130s. And they had more than 2 "large carrying trucks" as you put it. Obviously you have no fucking idea what your talking about. To this day people still personally blame the fucktard Bill Clinton for the outcome of that battle. You should go fuck yourself and not talk about shit you have no idea about....stfu
@DEWood1995 Contrary to what you believe....Washington has full authority over what the military does.....that's why the President is called the "Commander In Chief" The birds don't fly and the tanks don't roll unless he says so.
@1stcavgrunt actually its congress that gives the final approval of weither or not to send in troops into area's. The president has to ask permission from congress. The only branch he can send in with out asking them is the US MARINES. We are his own private military.
@m4carbineowner Are you certain, I thought the President has the authority to activate troops for any conflict however it is the approval of Congress to declare war.
@Richdanahuff yes im certain since korea and vietnam the War Powers Act was created in 1973(nixon was the reason for this) so a gunho just doesn't start sending troops just any where. Now he can send the marines into a country with out congress but we are only aloud to stay 60 days, only more if time is needed to pull out.
No sir, that's not true at all. Why speak if you don't know. Only the USMC can be sent without congressional approval, you are so full of shit. Did Congress approve the Bin Laden raid?
@bitmopro the Bin Laden raid was approved by the President cause SEAL Team Six is part of JSOC.JSOC only reports to the JSOC commanding officer,the Secretary of Defense and the President himself.President needs congress to approve a war not a small scale raid like bin Laden or the Mog raid
I think he was talking about a larger troop commitment like Mog (as a whole) or other "Wars" in history, rather than a raid (which would be a nightmare if Congress had to be involved).
No disrespect to any comments here...but its preatty damn easy to know what 'could have been done' After the fact. almost 17 years after the fact no less.
They are so vulnerable...all of them.....I would have requested more troops, more ground forces, armored vehicles, and I would have refused to lead that mission without my demanded supplies. War is hell, but for some reason I study tactics and objectives. Ignoring the politics and any other reasons as to why the U.S. was in Somalia, if I were in charge of directing this mission, I would not have attempted it with so few resources and manpower. Never underestimate your enemy, especially these ppl
So one deep cover agent couldn't have taken care of this quietly?
AssaultWeaponChannel 2 weeks ago
yes it is.
pirillo76 5 months ago
Is this the actual raid?
360Nomad 5 months ago
I hope pentagon releases more of the video footage from these days.
minimums7 7 months ago
Multiple people here are saying congress needs to approve the president to send troops. You think Congress was consulted for Mogadishu? Y'all are so full of shit. Congress can however, simply cut funding if they don't like what's going on.
bitmopro 8 months ago
because when they lost both the mission went to shit
bleushift 9 months ago
the event of bhd shows how important initiative and element of surprise are..
bleushift 9 months ago
Get em boys. 18 KIA sucks, but not as bad as it could have been, with that much fire.
streetracer6rpt 9 months ago
@streetracer6rpt That's what I'm saying it was the whole city versus them
Rangers lead the way.
ZzFearz 9 months ago
@ZzFearz i like the rangers but i like Delta more becuz there better and more elite
lilmeyer13 7 months ago
@lilmeyer13 And Delta "technically didn't exist"untill several years afterthe conflict
Lawlz1210 6 months ago
@streetracer6rpt you are right, that is the most impressive thing with that heavy fire i doubtly that any military force of any country would survive like Rangers did. Rangers Lead The Way
eldemon32 4 weeks ago
@eldemon32 They wouldn't have survived if the somalis aimed.
AssaultWeaponChannel 2 weeks ago
Congress was pretty strict on what kind equipment to send into mogadishu,They where more worried over civilians who were by this time during UNOSOM II "In an us -vs- them mentality" to become causualties,The cobra gun run we did on a safe house days earlier apparently pist the somalis off more,After that we didn't get any more heavy equipment so instead of AC-130s we got MH-60s,instead of Tanks we got 5 ton trucks,instead of APCs we got HUMVEES,Our Rangers got un unfair deal IMO.
ridder6689 9 months ago
@ridder6689 Many people think that Somalia was an all out war but U.S. forces weren't send into Somalia to blow it to Kingdom come like the Iraq War and Afghanistan was, they were sent on a humanitarian mission to help the starving Somalian people. Congress didn't want to make it an all out war against a bunch of gangs who had not necessary equipment to fight us, that's why Congress didn't want to send out heavy weapons to U.S. forces in Somalia.
Hperman09 3 months ago
@ridder6689 thats an urban legend, the unit never requested those things. tanks?? for a special ops raid? that makes no sense!
ajmidget94 1 month ago
@ajmidget94 I didn't say the Ranger unit requested it, Garrison did once or twice Powell and Aspin outright denied the request plus Clinton didn't want to send a message to the public that the mission would go from feeding people to warlord hunting after the pakistani patrol was torn too ribbons. After that Garrison felt that the 5 ton trucks and Humvees might not stand a chance from heavily concentrated RPG fire.
ridder6689 1 month ago
@JWAXEMAN I'd call the loss of 19 soldiers pretty unsuccessful...
guitarkilla 10 months ago
@guitarkilla ya but look in the past in ww1, 2 and vietnam 19 dead soldiers would have never even been noticed
hammerhead4896 10 months ago
@guitarkilla it was 18 US soldiers killed and also they killed over 1000 enemy militants
talkron300 10 months ago
Yay that must have been fun
Kominex 11 months ago
@Kominex I'd imagine it wasn't for the civilians.
EcologicalFighter 11 months ago
The original target was Abdi "Qeybdid" Hassan Awale. Not the Awale we captured.
Brunsen 1 year ago
Washington denied the use of APC and that was the WORST mistake they've made, AC-130 could cause collateral damage but if APC were available, Super 61 wouldn't have to do a slow, low flyover for sniper cover as the convoy move out which was the beginning to the whole chaos (they could stay up in orbiting patern while Deltas rush their prisoners onto APC and APC speed out of the city like race cars to avoid RPG) The C2 bird should do a flyover to scan for roadblocks so the convoy can speed throug
Airshow2010 1 year ago
@Airshow2010 NOT TRUE. at all. the unit never wanted APCs. this was supposed to be a fast raid, the rangers didn't want slow armor.
ajmidget94 1 month ago
@ajmidget94 The Rangers worked with APCs and gunships before somalia and it turned out just as good. and the 5 ton truck drivers said they where ramming in to walls every time they had to make a turn going at top speed one even wanted to put his truck in front of the convoy to use it to ram the road blocks seeing that the somalis set up wrecked cars and buring tires and shit like that.
M998 Humvees over M2 Bradleys?
UH-60 Black Hawks over AC-130s?
M923 Trucks over M1 Abrams?
ridder6689 1 month ago
@ridder6689 garrison was in charge of the unit, if he requested it the unit requested it, same thing. and no, he did not. that is an urban myth perpetuated by the angry father of a ranger who was kia. garrison made no such request.
ajmidget94 1 month ago
@ajmidget94 My bad your are right.. in way, i meant Garrisons request for just the APCs and not tanks or gunships those came later when it was too late. Gen. Thomas M. Montgomery (general of US forces before Garrison) made the request for Gunships and APCs and was denied it twice and not garrison. We had many Gens. and Adms. incharge during both UNOSOM operations it's hard to distinguish between who said what at the time.
ridder6689 1 month ago
the mission objectives were accomplished, the reason it was a fiasco was the loss of two blackhawks and 19 young men. But the mission wasn't unsuccessful.
JWAXEMAN 1 year ago
All I can say I should of been there
MrGama1020 1 year ago
Hey superbitch, they caught all 12 of the RIGHT guys.
USMartyrMachine119 1 year ago
That was stupid operation the caught the wrong guy!!!!!!!!!
superman74401 1 year ago
@superman74401 they got the right guys dumb ass you dont know what your talking about and it wasnt a stupid mission it was a mission that went wrong and it all went to shit and we still got out of it with only 19 KIA
USMC807 1 year ago
@superman74401 no there targets were 2 Aidids top leutenants and they got them at the price of 18 KIA but Aidid was killed weeks later
texasrangersr1 6 months ago
@texasrangersr1
He was killed 3 years later.
bitmopro 6 months ago
They have actual footage of super 6.4 crash and gary gordon and randy shughart but its been hidden for obvious reasons
Stylez1001 1 year ago
@Jimmy this was not codmw2 ok this was real those men used what they had on hand
tom82618 1 year ago
Which means basically that they would have been used in the final rescue convoy that rolled 10 hours after the raid commenced.
Washington did deny Montgomery his armor though. Secretary of Defense Les Aspin made the call.
But, attached to the 10th Mt QRF was Malaysian and Pakistani tanks and APCs.
So who knows what impact if any Abrams and Bradley APCs would have made
MrVoodoo155 1 year ago
Garrison, task force ranger, never asked for armor.
Montgomery, 10th mountain division, asked for the armor for his QRF.
He asked in late sept, which meant if he had gotten it, it likely would not have been in place Oct 3 anyway.
And, because it would have been attached to the 10th mountain, it would have had no role in the initial raid, and would not have been mobilized until after the blackhawks were shot down
MrVoodoo155 1 year ago
ay jimmy go fuck yerself.
We're the 75th ranger regiment, its our job, well worry about ours and you can worry about whatever it is you think you do.
We leave no man behind, im sorry to hear you don't appreciate the fact they were willing to save the downed birds turning the battle into what it became.
xxrimbastaxx 1 year ago
Ok sorry your pride was hurt by his comment in some way, but he's correct. The man in charge of the planning and preparing of this operation tried to make it short and sweet, but Murphy's law is ever present so of course it got fucked up. What Jimmy is saying is that the mission would of went 10 times better if they would of had more support, better planning, and more firepower. Yes the retrieval of the downed heli crew is much appreciated and all of our armed forces leave no man behind.
DEWood1995 1 year ago
@DEWood1995 the man in chrage wanted light armor. washington denied it. just saying
BMXfreak478811 1 year ago
Well they got light armor. The convoy was made up of just HV's with 50's and 2 Large carrying trucks to carry the rangers/delta/targets out. They went in very light and only had assistance from the mini birds and black hawks. Plus Washington doesn't get to ok or deny on what equipment is used on the mission. That belongs to the Military AKA the man in charge's higher ups. Or he was high enough in command to get whaterver he wanted.
DEWood1995 1 year ago
@DEWood1995 i meant like APC's. like bradleys. and i guess not becuase he didnt get it and it even says it in the movie. lol
BMXfreak478811 1 year ago
@DEWood1995 hey fucktard...it was washinton that DENIED their request for APCs and AC-130s. And they had more than 2 "large carrying trucks" as you put it. Obviously you have no fucking idea what your talking about. To this day people still personally blame the fucktard Bill Clinton for the outcome of that battle. You should go fuck yourself and not talk about shit you have no idea about....stfu
ownage1894 1 year ago
@DEWood1995 Contrary to what you believe....Washington has full authority over what the military does.....that's why the President is called the "Commander In Chief" The birds don't fly and the tanks don't roll unless he says so.
1stcavgrunt 1 year ago
@1stcavgrunt actually its congress that gives the final approval of weither or not to send in troops into area's. The president has to ask permission from congress. The only branch he can send in with out asking them is the US MARINES. We are his own private military.
m4carbineowner 1 year ago
@m4carbineowner Are you certain, I thought the President has the authority to activate troops for any conflict however it is the approval of Congress to declare war.
Richdanahuff 1 year ago
@Richdanahuff yes im certain since korea and vietnam the War Powers Act was created in 1973(nixon was the reason for this) so a gunho just doesn't start sending troops just any where. Now he can send the marines into a country with out congress but we are only aloud to stay 60 days, only more if time is needed to pull out.
DontTreadOnMe894 1 year ago
@DontTreadOnMe894
come on man. Just google it: How long can president send troops without approval. He can send anywhere anytime for 90 days. Get a clue.
bitmopro 8 months ago
@m4carbineowner
No sir, that's not true at all. Why speak if you don't know. Only the USMC can be sent without congressional approval, you are so full of shit. Did Congress approve the Bin Laden raid?
bitmopro 8 months ago
@bitmopro the Bin Laden raid was approved by the President cause SEAL Team Six is part of JSOC.JSOC only reports to the JSOC commanding officer,the Secretary of Defense and the President himself.President needs congress to approve a war not a small scale raid like bin Laden or the Mog raid
texasrangersr1 6 months ago
@texasrangersr1
I think he was talking about a larger troop commitment like Mog (as a whole) or other "Wars" in history, rather than a raid (which would be a nightmare if Congress had to be involved).
puredemoniczick 4 months ago
No disrespect to any comments here...but its preatty damn easy to know what 'could have been done' After the fact. almost 17 years after the fact no less.
Bronk0Nagurski 1 year ago
does anyone know where i can find some more real footage of the battle?
zmoney203 2 years ago
They are so vulnerable...all of them.....I would have requested more troops, more ground forces, armored vehicles, and I would have refused to lead that mission without my demanded supplies. War is hell, but for some reason I study tactics and objectives. Ignoring the politics and any other reasons as to why the U.S. was in Somalia, if I were in charge of directing this mission, I would not have attempted it with so few resources and manpower. Never underestimate your enemy, especially these ppl
Jimmycorvettefan71 2 years ago
fuck me!!!!!!!
Super64Venom 2 years ago
Fuck me.....
7Jericho7 2 years ago
Scary place indeed
CascaMMA 2 years ago 2