Mormon missionaries unconcerned by "Federal menace" (NH)

[owenander]

Wasting time on videos like this is why the liberty movement is crawling along at such a slow pace.

[libertarianjury]

The mormons I met in CO were anti-government supporters of Rick Stanley, the 2002 pro-gun activist and radical libertarian. I really like the activity level coming from Ridley, but dislike the silliness he includes in his videos. I prefer the ones that are more professional with professionally mixed music, you know, ---the ones that make us look like a serious political movement. When he's on, there's noone better, when he's off, well...

[spagandtuna]

These poor kids forced out on the road in strange places. Fortunately, I see a lot of them hanging out in the library where it's safe.

[carahpants]

Hey I know that elder! Went to high school with him! He plays the french horn. Anyway, this interview is asking pretty stupid questions...and don't go off saying the missionaries are stupid...they're 19 year old boys that are simply preaching about Jesus. They aren't concerned with your tax exemption mumbo jumbo.

[back2thefutre]

the only thing dumber than this interviewer is the missionaries

[BODYSHEENdottcom]

From Derry NH here.... Come on, you know those two were just mindless drones! Asking those difficult questions that they could never answer... What's the point?

Take it easy!

--Keith

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[genexrollins]

LDS pees in the face of REAL victims everywhere. IT PEES in the face of the South, it pees in the face of blacks, it pees in the face of Jews, It pees in the face of american indians. Hinckley as

Freedom Medal winner? WHat a CROCK! MORmONS BEG FOR Every ding they get. LDS INC. totally exploits the system as it is. LDS = poser cry baby phonies! LDS should be taxed like any other corporation !

[genexrollins]

"the washington Government which slaughtered Latter day saints before the civil war" WRONG!!!! U.S. hired Mormons to fight mexico, then It was MORmONS doing the killing in the 1850's ala MMM. the washington Government SHOULD have cleaned out Utah, BUT DID NOT they should have hung Brigham Young on temple square & asked who was next. Utah was in rebellion & it skated. Georgia was in rebellion & sherman burned it to the ground. Everytime LDS INC. starts up with their persecution complex

[valu777]

Therefore, my brothers, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the blood of Jesus, 20the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain (that is, through his flesh), 21and since we have a great high priest over the household of God, 22let us continue to come near with sincere hearts in the full assurance that faith provides, because our hearts have been sprinkled clean from a guilty conscience, and our bodies have been washed with pure water

[Ilegalplayer]

MORMON SCRIPTURES in 2009 say when people are BAD Mormon God CURSES them BLACK

"...they WERE WHITE...and DELIGHTSOME...Lord God did cause a SKIN OF BLACKNESS to come upon them(Book of Mormon 2 Nephi 5:21)"

when people become GOOD the MORMON GOD TURNS there SKIN WHITE

"12...the Lamanites who had become converted unto the Lord did unite with their brethren,the Nephites...

15 And their curse was taken from them, and their SKIN became WHITE like unto the Nephites(Book of Mormon 3 Nephi 2:12-15)"

[norriscj]

This was a pretty lame interview. I've started to watch fewer of your videos because it seems that often you are just creating videos to create them. The substance is deteriorating.

[luomio]

I am a Mormon, I was a Mormon missionary, and I am concerned about our federal government. This kid hasn't a clue.

[AngelWithGuns42]

The John Galt Solution is the only solution.

Stop paying for and forging your own chains and shackles!

[LibertyJedi]

The state is the new religion, this guy should come up to speed on all the socialists dogmas.

[cdimmm]

Organized religion is just another government tool used to suppress and distract while they go about their agenda. Thats why these young robots have no fear of their government.

[UcanbeGOD]

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[cephalopoder]

They are brain washed useless bodies that roam the streets wating their own demise.

[Reartuo]

There are many forms of brainwashing. If I tell a child that stealing is bad many times and explain why then he/she will think it is bad. That is a form of brainwashing. That is what the LDS religion does. Is that kind of brain washing bad? We are all brain washed in some way.

Many of you make off the wall statments on the mormon religion without knowing much about it. If you studied it you would find that it has many of the same views as libertarians. And speeks a lot about corrupt systems.

[accordwhippa]

mormons think they will become gods,thats brainwashing

[lehman]

Both should be legal if all parties can legally consent to the arrangements.

[OneWithTheTruth]

Being Mormon myself, it is frightening the lack of fear of what is happening since it is in our doctrine that we only uphold and sustain a government that upholds the Constitution.

Mormon prophets have said since Joseph Smith that the government has not held its end of the coin and obeying the constitution.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

If you really want to understand the history of the LDS (Latter Day Saints) and FLDS (Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints (the polygamists)) churches, a very interesting and accurate history from a non-mormon can be found in the book:

'Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith" (2003) by author Jon Krakauer.

I read this book back in 2004 and was amazed at the actions that the U.S. Government took against the Mormons (essentially genocide). That's why they "migrated" to the west.

[ed2276]

As I understand it, it was state and local governments...and private citizens...who drove the mormons to the west. The federal government, before the mormons went west, did not actively participate in the brutality at that time. The federal government refused mormon requests to intervene. It wasn't until the mormons got to Utah that the federal government then took up the persecution and deprivation of rights.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

"From Nauvoo, the Mormons trekked westward to modern-day Utah, led by Smith's successor (after some controversy) Brigham Young. Arriving in what they called Deseret, many Mormons believed they would be left alone by the Federal Government, as the territory was under Mexican rule at the time. This hope died soon after their arrival, when the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was signed on February 2, 1848, ending the Mexican-American War and ceding the land to the United States." -- from Wiki

[P3rf3ctStorm]

And yes, you're also correct. EVERYONE that wasn't a Mormon seemed to want to get rid of them from individual citizens, to groups of citizens, to cities, to states all the way up to the feds. They were reproducing too much!

[Reartuo]

Wouldn't you say that many of the adults are like this? I have not run across to many mormon libertarians. They support the gov with much blindness. Even though teachings about secret combinations are all over in the doctrine. They are way to trusting.....Yes, I am actually mormon. Many of them do not even know who ron paul is. And they support M. Romney who is clearly a part of big gov. It is clear to me that many of them do not understand the doctrine, or what their ancestors went through.

[kmikesell]

Thank you Dave for being "nice" to those Mormon boys.

[cowcidile]

Those guys had no idea about the history of their own religion it seems. I can understand not knowing the tax code but hell.

[ed2276]

I think you are right. They seemed pretty naive about history, government (the government is protecting their freedom of religion, yeah right!) but they are young and probably reflective of the typical youth of today who are ignorant about history, economics, government, liberty, and the important issues of the day.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

Religions, like tyrannical governments seeks to keep people ignorant. They're vastly more exploitable and controllable that way.

[ed2276]

So, you equate all religions with tyrannical government? That kind of reasoning is a logical fallacy called weak analogy. That is :

(1) A and B are similar.

(2) A has a certain characteristic.

Therefore:

(3) B must have that characteristic too

[P3rf3ctStorm]

No, it's not a logical fallacy at all. A belief, without any evidence whatsoever to support it (a.k.a. faith) in a deity (any god) is a logical fallacy. It defies all logic and reason. It's simply a prime example of delusional thought processes. And yes, as you might have discerned, I'm a non-theist.

[ed2276]

yes it is a logical fallacy, and you don't make it less a logical fallacy by citing an unrelated fallacy in return. Opining that belief in any god is a logical fallacy in now way establishes your premise that religion is tryannical.

One could just as easily assert that a system of unbelief is delusional, seeks to keep its adherents ignorant, thus pliable, and is tyrannical as well.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

No, I disagree. It's not a logical fallacy. Religion is just another form of government & it's long history shows it's tyrannical & quite barbaric nature.

And no, one could not just as easily assert that a system of "unbelief" is delusional. System of "beliefs" (without evidence e.g. superstitious beliefs) can be delusional. But there is no system of "unbeliefs", just systems of beliefs. That's another logical fallacy. You can believe that Santa Claus exists, but that's considered delusional.

[ed2276]

I am not disagreeing with you that there are examples in history of tyrannical religious systems which did try to actively keep their adherents ignorant. I am just disagreeing, absent evidence, that ALL religions are that way and so are just like all tyrannical governments in that respect.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

Name one.

[lehman]

Judaism, Christianity, Islam?

tyranny (plural tyrannies) 1. A government in which a single ruler (a tyrant) has absolute power. 2. The office or jurisdiction of an absolute ruler. 3. Absolute power, or its use. 4. Extreme severity or rigour.

[P3rf3ctStorm]

Thank you for proving my point. I'll take #3 and #4 and in many cases #1 & #2 such as the Pope & the Vatican. The Catholic Church's (Chirstianity's) history is replete with barbarism and tyranny. Poor Galileo, etc.

Essential to religion is to have religious "leaders" (or "rulers" might actually be more appropriate) to DICTATE "the word of [the] god" to the masses. Obey & you will be rewarded. Disobey and you will suffer the consequences. Confomity to the religious doctrine must be enforced.

[99minerkc]

Yep, and Christianity will OWN you someday! Resistance is futile. All human creatures must be assimilated to the Church!! Submit now and give me ALL of your money or submit later either way you're mine!! o.o

[lehman]

And the tyranny I'm talking about isn't even the religion, its the gods themselves.

[RunsWitGuns]

ya them boys dont know to much about anything do they

[kmikesell]

They are 19. And probably grew up In UT. So no they probably don't have a firm grasp of Taxes, Government, and politics. You probably didn't either at that age. I know I didn't. So cut them some slack.

[RunsWitGuns]

well actually i just turned 20 and there is no excuse for mindless cult worship there is no problem with being a christian but to be a "missionary" for a cult as laughable as mormonism you really do have to be a mental defective but then again i am the smartest person i know in real life

[ed2276]

You sound just like the kind of folks in the "Washington Government" Dave speaks of as being brutal toward Mormons in the 1850s. Let me ask you, if you had the power and ability, would you today undertake to persecute the Mormons, deprive them of their rights as human beings, or even slaughter them?

[P3rf3ctStorm]

RunsWitGuns : Utah is the Mormon mecca. Their ways are quite different from any other State in the Country, and they rule over their State with an iron fist. I used to live in the west, so I'm very familiar with what goes on there. A critically-thinking population is the last thing that they want there. They want obedient slave missionaries. You could try feeling some compassion for their circumstance (which is really not their fault), & seek to educate them out of their obvious ignorance.

[kmikesell]

yep.....Your pretty smart. Defend your statements by calling people names, and adhominum attacks. Wow I'm dazzled by your brilliance!

[RunsWitGuns]

all im saying is that these 3 kids are being used by an entity that does not care about their well being and are just using them for their own nefarious purposes its a very simple concept

[CivilRadiant]

mormons believe that they get their own planet after they die....

[TheDemonPazuzu]

I hate Jesus Christ with a burning passion like no other.

[conqst3]

How can you hate someone who does not exist?

[TheDemonPazuzu]

I don't! I was having a funny conversation with a fellow atheist and made a joke about leaving a heretical comment on some religious video to see if someone from the superstitious community would reply with a death threat considering we both have received such threats in the past without any provocation at all, but no luck so far. It was a silly thought experiment, but harmless ;-]

[AmbassadorOfHeaven]

They don't know nothing about 501(c)3 status and what it means they don't even know what they believe in! If they actually knew what Mormonism is, they probably won't be involved. But then again it is mostly social control anyway.

[LumpyRevolution]

"Yeah, I don't know about all that,".

I went to government schools so i found out really late.  What's their excuse?

[ed2276]

probably the same as your excuse.

[LumpyRevolution]

I agree. All the Mormon folk I've ever known have been home schooled, but I think that is a minority.

[803honda]

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