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  • One of the absurdities of the US healthcare system is that on the one hand you've got insurance companies trying not to pay out by penalizing you with co-pays and deductibles for going to the doctor or hospital. And on the other hand you have doctors and hospitals trying to make as much money as they can, once they have you there, by giving you loads and loads of tests etc. Between them it's a real tug of war but it's the American public who loses...

  • @TEGDHaze I think the drs in the usa order plenty of tests because they want to be sure in case there is a lawsuit. The whole thing has gotten way out of hand.

  • @rapier0954 That is only part of the story. (With approximately 100,000 deaths in hospitals each year from accidents there is perhaps a good reason for the lawsuits.) But the US healthcare system is inundated with specialists and a dinstinct shortage of general practitioners because the big money goes to specialists. So everything you do requires a specialist which becomes very expensive indeed and I think is like a mutually-benefiting network referring clients to each other.

  • It wasn't so long ago that the BBC reported that conditions on renal units in the UK were "approaching that of the 3rd world." People enter waiting lists with operable cancer which spreads by the time their time for surgery comes. The quality of US treatment is far superior, & the vast majority of medical innovation originates there. How many times have Brits read stories about dying patients flying to the US to receive a revolutionary new form of treatment denied them by the NHS?

  • @jtpinnyc Since I was born and raised in England but have lived in the US for many years I have a little insight on this. And more importantly I have studied the world's healthcare systems both formally and informally and I can tell you the US system is not superior for serving the population it is supposed to serve. This is a major reason why the US has the lowest life expectancy and highest infant mortality among wealthy nations.

  • @jtpinnyc Excellent healthcare is available in the US but it is largely rationed by income level. Even within a single city it is possible to see child mortality rates ranging from levels as high as the Scandinavian countries to levels approaching the third world depending on where in the city you live (which indicates income level). This disparity is not seen anywhere in Europe. Do not be fooled by the expensive shiny machines and slick sales pitch. The US falls far short for millions of people

  • @TEGDHaze You are making the classic mistake of attributing things like child mortality rates to quality of health care. This is not the case...life expectancy and child mortality are much more a factor of culture. There is nothing about US health care that causes children to have bad health outcomes, but there are certain cultures in the US, especially among immigrant groups and inner city blacks, which perpetuate poor parenting and poor health. Likewise the culture of fat people/eating junk.

  • @jtpinnyc You are making a classic false argument. The distinguishing difference is not culture or race but economic status which has a far more negative impact on health in the US than in peer nations. A Harvard Medical School study has concluded that 45,000 people die every year in the US for lack of adequate health insurance. The US is last among peer nations for deaths from preventable causes and studies conclude the primary reason is inadequate healthcare for large sectors of the population

  • Fuck the UK health care system. I was diagnosed with skin cancer while living in the US. The specialist told me that I needed surgery within 6 weeks, otherwise there was a risk of it spreading to my lymph system. Inquiring back home to have it done on the NHS, I was told I could wait up to 12 weeks, maybe more. When I asked how soon I could have it done in the US, they asked me when I was next free. And they reduced the cost significantly b/c I was paying without insurance. They were fantastic.

  • @jtpinnyc You must have an awful lot of money. I had my eyes checked and even though I HAVE insurance I had to pay $700 out of my own pocket just to have a couple of tests run!! I can't afford to go back. More than half of all personal bankruptcies in the US are caused by medical expenses. People are denied life-giving surgery because they can't afford it. Must be why they had an opening for you who had cash. It's no accident the US is last among peer nations in deaths from preventable causes.

  • This is a wild-looking gentleman.

  • @PapaWilk windswept and interesting

    

  • He was bitching about this in 1981 but he is still living in NY most of the time and it is now 2012. So if it so bad why is he still in the USA !!!

  • @rapier0954 dont you get comedy

  • @kittenfox2004 Billy Connolly is a great comedian, and I get the comedy, I just don't like the hypocrisy. He has mega bucks so he won't have to go back to depending on Britain's socialist system and line up in the hopes of getting a procedure done in a timely fashion. He can pay to get anything done in the US immediately. It's just a show (a funny one yes) but it's not for real, he knows it, so don't blur the lines between reality and fantasy. 

  • @rapier0954 I don't know how it works in other countries but here in Australia we have Medicare. A free health care system. It is there to ensure that every single Australian has access to essential health care. If you can afford Private Health Insurance you are encouraged to take it up with tax brakes and as a result there will be less people in the public health system. Again, I don't know how it works in other places but I really don't understand what everyones problem is with Obamas Plan.

  • @D1cko888 Billy's remarks predate Obama's plan by decades and he is too rich to qualify and has his own deluxe plan no doubt not being one of the tired and destitute among the masses. The reason he lives in NY primarily is to avoid paying taxes in Britain. Of course, that is his right but that tax money would help the common folk in Britain have a better life. He talks on the left and lives on the right.

  • @rapier0954 Shush now.

  • @rapier0954 What are you on about? Line up?? If you are sick you get treated - really quite quick - right away actually, you don't even have to wait to get your wallet out - "line up"? who tells you that cr**. No wonder people in the UK think the US is the most ignorant country in the World.

  • @brok328 I'm not an American and why don't you try reading the 3 comments above yours by fellow Brits which only go to disprove what you have said about the UK system.

  • @rapier0954 I was born and raised in the UK but have lived in the US for years. I can tell you that the UK system is vastly superior overall for the population. The life expectancy is longer and the infant mortality rate is considerably lower (the US has the highest infant mortality rate among wealthy western nations). My brother's daughter (he lives in the UK) has a chronic illness but he has never had to pay for ANYTHING for her countless procedures. He thinks the American system is crazy.

  • @TEGDHaze So your brother thinks he didn't have to pay for anything. Are you completely stupid. Did it ever occur to you that Billy Connolly is living in the US because he doesn't like paying the tax rates required to pay for your socialist programs or do actually believe they are free???

  • @rapier0954 In the US healthcare costs twice as much per person (including the 50 million uninsured) as it does in the UK except it is funded by insurance and fees that must be paid out of pocket regardless of income level. Though I buy insurance I still pay hundreds of dollars each visit. My brother pays through taxation and has coverage whether he's employed and paying taxes or not. It's his right as a citizen and all but the highest incomes pay less for it in taxes than Americans pay in fees

  • @rapier0954 Anyone can complain about something that happened within their system but that DOES NOT constitute a comparison study. In the US, healthcare is rationed largely by income level. If you are on the lower end of the spectrum you will have a considerably lower life expectancy and your children will 10 to 15 times more likely to die before age 1 than if you are wealthy. This disparity far far less manifest in the UK (or Europe in general).

  • @TEGDHaze What does that have to do with a multimillionaire like BIlly Connolly?????

  • @rapier0954 Did I say it had anything to do directly with Billy Connolly? Wealthy people will do just fine in the US system and probably pay less because there's no sliding scale for the insurance company or the hospitals and it's not funded progressively through taxation. Everyone pays the same amount. But for the rest of the population coverage is far less secure and for a large sector it is terribly inadequate. Believe me you would pay MUCH more for the same care in the US system.

  • @TEGDHaze I read all your points in the 3 sections you sent to me and I do not disagree with any of it. I began a thread on here a way back commenting on Billy only but it is okay to have diversified the discussion. With the deficits and debt of both the US and UK I do not know how many social programs will survive intact. They will all need to be scaled down or something. I am a Canadian our deficit to GDP ratio is the best in the G8 UK is one of the worst so cut are coming.

  • @rapier0954 Great healthcare is certainly available in the US but unfortunately it is far from universally available. The World Health Organization ranked the US 37th in the world in their massive study of the world's healthcare systems 10 years ago. This put them behind every other European nation and more recent studies have shown that they have declined even further relative to their peer nations. Anecdotes are interesting but they are almost always worthless and usually misleading.

  • @TEGDHaze None of your stats apply to Billy Connolly who is a multimillionaire.

  • @rapier0954 That is part of the problem. The wealthy have every need met at the expense of others. Have you ever seen signs in shop windows for people trying to raise money to pay the medical bills for their daughter with leukemia? Or people in your neigbourhood having raffles so a sick child can get treatment? Or selling their house to pay for chemo? It happens here. More than HALF of all personal bankruptcies in the US are caused by medical expenses. This system is broken.

  • @rapier0954 I'm guessing "tax reasons"

  • you are a living LEGEND! 

  • I didnt say the entire nation sucks. Please dont put words into my mouth. If you took the time to read my comment i catualy said "America was a great place." I was refering to the health care system alone.

  • I too am a Brit living in the US. I have been denied health insurance so if I get sick I would just get refered to the funeral director. I wish I had never come here! I love what Billy Conolly says about the Dr sitting behind the till!

  • @Triumphrob You should move back you whiny Brit

  • I'm a Brit living in America. Great place but unfortunatley the health care sucks. I took my daughter for a dental check up and was told she needed 5 fillings. I waited as we were going on vacation back to the UK for a second opinion. We were then told by a a uk dentist that she only needed one! Yep, it sure is a money spinner !

  • @MrMaxTruth So yeah, one dentist tells your daughter she needs 5 fillings and the entire nation sucks. PISS OFF.

    They have cameras now that show you exactly where your cavity is. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. Quit your bitching, or move back to that shithole socialist FUCKING island...

  • @BarefootArizona not really a socialist island (I am british born living in australia) and they are right in saying for one of the top countries in the world its got a medical system that has been stripped bare. Over in Australia they have a simalar system to the UK which is functional but we still spend 30 dollars per session but when i told friends in the usa bout our system here they where furious they get ripped off so badly.

  • @BarefootArizona Everybody chips in for the basic needs of all citizens in the nation, is that socialism? If so, usa is a socialist nation. Usa have socialist police, socialst courts, socialist army (even thou they dont serve the citizens, but instead some huge coporations). To top that off, your banking system is also kind of socialistic. All chip in to cover the banks mistakes.

  • @mysund Good point. The bailouts were a disgrace.

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  • @MrMaxTruth The standard of dentistry is far higher in the US than Britain. In the UK, because NHS patients are costly for dentists to treat, they will get away with doing the bare minimum to stop your teeth falling out. And you can forget about any cosmetic aspect. In the US, they'll go to great lengths to make your teeth as perfect as possible. I had my teeth done in the NYC dental school and it was just amazing the lengths they went to, I was amazed.

  • @MrMaxTruth That's why Americans have better teeth than Brits :)

  • Yea, because healthcare in the EU is so much better.

  • @MaxamillianArturo Depends which EU country you're referring to. Every country is western Europe ranks higher according to the WHO.

  • @CZlaowai What would Roger Daltry know about health care

  • @StrengthOfThePeople You're lucky you're not writing that in German son. Scared as I am of where we're going I have a lot to be proud that I see here and not anywhere else. Of course I am a duel citizen and I see things in France I don't see here, but when I see fuck the US I just think of how smug you'd be if we hadn't been footing the bill for your national security past 60 years. Besides, in the end, when there is a tsunami in Japan or an Earthquake in Haiti, no one steps in like the US.

  • Billy is so funny

  • He kinda looks like Mick Foley here.

  • I didn't know Rob Zombie ever did stand-up.

  • Wow, Billy looks so much younger with his hair dyed! He should have started having it done years ago :-)

  • Where can I get a Billy Connolly vid that is longer that one minute? I can get an hour or more on other people I listen to but I am tired of clicking Next Up to get the next thing he talks about in a show.... gimme the whole damn show ffs...

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  • Every time I go to the states, I'm shocked at the level of six o'clock pharma-advertising aimed at middle-aged to elderly people. And what takes the biscuit, is that they mention the litany side-effects at the end of the ad.

  • ive got that hair ((:

  • @Atheisophy yeah, sure, it's just America that's run by corporations and money. *insert eye roll here*

  • For a lot of Americans, their health care plan is "i'm not going to get sick". Amazingly, they are content with that.

  • He looks quite insane.

  • this guy is more inteligent then 99% of the Americans that still dont understand how they get fucked by the system

  • @WaWoWieWa Actually, most Americans do get how fucked up our system is. Unfortunately, majority rule is no longer the rule--money is. Money talks and everything else is just bullshit. Obamacare is more "terms of surrender" than actual healthcare reform. Socialism, however--most Americans are against it. Same thing as Fascism, the ignorant cunts/pricks. An American invented propaganda and it's one thing that we're #1 in.

  • @ocooch amazing, you are really awake.. but its not only the health care system but everything.. for example.. take the Moonlanding Bullshit.. all lies.. noone survives deep space, the radiation is so high that you need to wear a lead suit of a meter thick to survive for 2 hours.. (ask the russians, they laughed there ass off because they Experienced this before the US did). manipulation level is high there, people believe the lies and political scam of CNN and FOX news.. elections are fake

  • @WaWoWieWa Bullshit: solar radiation is nowhere near that level. We've pictures from Mars and radio telescope images of other galaxies that would be impossible if it was that 'hot' out there. It's you and your conspiracy loonies vs thousands of intelligent hard working people who were/are involved in space exploration. They're scientists, engineers, technicians, mathematicians, physicists, chemists and biologists and you aint.

  • Note the musical instruments in the background .... ... says to me he's not yet the fully formed stand-up but still in the transition stage between folk singer and comedian?

  • Americans just like their government to do to much for them

  • zelda7792 is fucking right. it isn't about the best, it's about access. And i'll tell you why every private healthcare advocate pulls out the, "we have the best" card. It's cuz america is full of competitor-nazis. that's why

  • fuck af ya yank prick

  • Never a truer word spoken!!

  • WHAT, I NEED A TRANSLATER FOR THIS  GOOFBALL

  • @linoma57

    Perhaps you should place an advertisement for a translatOr.

    Billy Connolly speaks English. May I ask - what is your first language? Putting this information in your advert would be useful. For now, allow me to help you a little.

    Firstly, in English, capitalising a letter indicates a certain significance. As you've capitalised every letter, you clearly need to work on your punctuation.

    Your sentence should read: "What I need IS a translatOr for this Goofball!

    Good luck!

  • @CZlaowai ach you kin goin raffleyirdoughnut ya plonker

  • @CZlaowai Or all caps can indicate yelling in place of an exclamation point--or in addition to one for extra emphasis. Capitalization, although it can be related, is separate from punctuation. He could have also written: "What? I need a translator for this goofball!" No need to capitalize "goofball" either. One beautiful thing about the English language... it's QUITE flexible. One bad thing about YouTube... no italics.

  • @TungstenOrWolfram I agree with you.

    I made the point because I thought it was perverse that a person was expressing his angry misunderstanding of another's English using really poor English.

  • Nearly 30 years old and this shit just gets worse and worse. How come every non US citizen gets it but most Americans don't?

  • @sleepcity

    50% of the worlds medications are developed in the US. Every famous person from every country on earth comes here to get treated because the best doctors are here. Our cancer survival and treatment rates are among the best in the world. Far better than the UK and Canada. Foreigners, especially Europeans, like to talk like they have the best shit in the world. Like Americans are all idiots or something. Get off your high horse. You aren't better. Stop acting like it.

  • @LibertyAtYourService What an utterly irrelevant, bizarre, hostile reply! Pray tell, oh super-aggressive one, what does the progress of biomedical research and therapies in the US have to do with access to basic care? Has it occurred to you that the two are not directly related? Can you please answer directly instead of straying off into Republican talking points?

  • @sleepcity What does access to "basic care" have to do with government taking over our health care system?

  • @woodbutcherjohn First of all the US government isn't "taking over our health care system" -- they're mandating insurance coverage, which is effectively a GIFT to the health care conglomerates and insurance companies. Secondly, they are doing this to ensure that there is universal access to basic care because it is cheaper than uninsured people using ERs as if they were clinics. I don't agree with how they are doing this but those are the facts. You're alleging a conspiracy theory.

  • @sleepcity - You have just described the government taking over the health care system of the US using a fascist strategy of dictating to privately held companies what they shall and shall not so....what they shal charge and hsall not charge..and tax them on top of it all. Universal health care sounds a bit like collective salvations...it sounds wonderful....until reality hit.

  • @LibertyAtYourService The issue isn't "who has the best." The issue is "why the heck does getting simple treatment cost so much in America."

    A teacher of mine fainted once at a conference, so they took her to the hospital and had her stay in a room overnight for observation. Turns out nothing was wrong with her, however they charged her a couple hundred bucks. All she did was sit in a room so they could make sure she was okay and they charged her for more than a new tv would cost.

  • @LibertyAtYourService all the best doctors in the US are either indians ,pakistanis, or asians and your rightfamous people come here to get treated because they can afford it, 47 million people in this country cant .If you thinkits so good why is the life expectancy lower than canada and britain, go figure.

  • @sleepcity - Are you talking about diarrehoa too?

  • @sleepcity Because America takes most objectionable businesses and adds a pinch of patriotism to make them part of American identity, and suddenly they are proud of it. Guns, war, no universal healthcare, you name it....

  • @sleepcity Because americans want to eat what they want to eat and not exercise then go to the doctor and say "Give me a pill for this". They couldn't care less about making lifestyle changes.

    I don't think they want to be in this state.

    I think it's the Corporations and Big Pharma that are influencing them through main stream media.

    And the worst thing for your health (both mental and physical) is main stream media.

    In the end, it's all about money, . . like everything else. ...

  • @sleepcity they get it, but they are too fucking lazy and ignorant to do anything 'bout it.

  • @sleepcity I agree. We're the only 1st world country that doesn't have socialized medicine of some sort. And we're the richest. WTF? Something is wrong here.

  • @fifimsp We must buy more bombs!

  • @swilson3d Oh yeah, what was I thinking. Oh, and we have to worry about all the people who want weed. Douche bag politicians.

  • @sleepcity press 7 over n over

  • @sleepcity It's not a household issue because it's not really discussed in politics here. It's no mark on the American people, hell most of us aren't that far removed from immigrant parents, grandparents, etc. The issue with us is that we have a government that is more afraid of big money than of it's own people. We are starting to see more and more how deep it goes. Latest bit of news, the fed printed $7.7 trillion to give to banks during the crisis for 0.01%interest. We r in trouble.

  • @sleepcity i dont get it lol

  • haha legend

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