Twenty-five Notre Dame faculty members–led by the university’s top ethics expert, and including some of the school’s most eminent scholars–have signed a statement declaring that President Barack Obama’s latest version of his administration’s mandate that all health insurance plans in the United States must cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions, is “a grave violation of religious freedom and cannot stand.”
Great speech. God does resist the proud and does indeed give grace to the humble. And yes doubt should always push us closer to God, it should humble us, it should cause the self-righteousness that so easily besets us as frail human beings to dissipate. The underlying theme of this speech imo is that without love & respect, both sides of the abortion debate are merely making the noise of clanging symbols. The law no longer applies. Mercy & grace in Jesus name must prevail.
By the way, I put down a thumbs down for this. I'm not so easily brainwashed or manipulated. Also, you can touch hearts and minds without preaching the Gospel. It's called knowing and accepting God's Word. Why would it necessarily need to be in an order? We're all created in God's Image, all are unique in our own way, to God's liking. If it weren't any good, it would not have ever been. Many people mis-interpret God's Word ALL THE TIME!
I'm sorry but that's wrong! When Obama say's, "Doubt should not push Us away from our faith..," With faith it necessarily admits doubt.. he shouldn't be preaching about God to a bunch of Graduates from a school. They either know the truth or they don't know. You're either in it all the way 100%, or just halfing it to look like you know what you're talking about, even when you know deep down you're full of ..it I'll be praying for all those who are strayed away from the faith of God
This is nonsense talk that is on the surface and flat. Uninspiring. Bland and generic that goes against the real shining truth of life. the light and love and sacredness of a God that is being crucified daily through our worldy applications of cold justice and self convincing moralism... Abortion, gay marriage, death penalty, premarital sex, hatred, patriotism and pride...all are false. Let's go back to the basic foundation the made USA great. the Bible and the 10 commandments.
I would take a community organizer as leader over Bush any day of the week! Obama is trying to move the collective. Try to bring down the barriers between countries, states, towns, and communities, races and religion. In a lot of ways isn't a community organizer doing the same job as a president, just at a larger scale?
Why don't you ask the question of Collectiveness. Ever heard the term Communism. And there is a difference between Christian, Jewish, and Islam. The black and white communities were both hookwinked with the 114th Amendment. But then Obama was a "Community Organizer" and knows better. Any American that believes anything that comes out of this pseudo leader is as much an idiot as he pretends to be. Wake up! A Community Organizer is the leader of our Country? Give me a break DUMBASSES!
Amazing how dumbed down the American People are...This is from a Community Organizer! I'm Catholic and these priests/cardinals have no clue what Obama is really talking about.
If I came from an Aftrican background I would be beside myself. Some like to refer to me as an Italian-American. This must be corrected! I'm an AMERICAN get it!
I believe in the rights of the woman for abortion, but I also believe in the rights of the child that is not yet born... let's educate and help more our children of tomorrow to reduce the unintended pregnancy...
the fact is that your argument is based on emotion, while mine is based on evidence as you say, and facts, numbers, statistics, REALITY. apparently none of that matters to you?
you claim that "we" are scared of evidence. yet, when i provide you with the facts, you say you dont care about them? hypocrite? talk about speaking outa both sides of your mouth.
how is that for facts? need i supply more? you say evidence is the last thing we want to hear? that enough evidence for you? and youd be wrong about most abortions happening before a baby has developed, and especially in emergencies. most abortions are committed because the mother "feels unready for child/responsibility". only 7% of abortions are "hard cases" that is: Mother's health in jeopardy, baby may have health problems, or rape. what about the other 93%?
you want to know the real reason that abortion is not illegal yet? because of the revenues. the estimated revenue for Planned PArenthood in 2004 from FIRST TRIMESTER abortions only, which only account for 10-12% of annual abortions, was $94,865,580. why on earth would we outlaw a business that makes so much money?
Talking out of both sides of your mouth, like a good conservative. "Keep government out of our private lives" "Government should ban abortion."
I did not say that I support abortion only if it saves the mother's life. I said I do support abortion, carte blanche, before the third semester; like me now? I don't care what the percentages or circumstances are, women have the right to an abortion, in my view; for any reason. A fetus without should not be given equal legal rights, that would absurd.
The real reason why abortion is still legal is because the dominionist Republican party has not yet managed to pack the Supreme Court full of Fascists. I don't know how much abortionists make, I do know their lives are constantly threatened by fruitcakes like yourself, like the doctor killed recently. The same people who call themselves pro-life are killing fully grown human beings. Ironic.
Organized religion surely would not continue to exist if there were no money in it. What does that prove?
I did not say that most abortions occur because of emergencies. I said that almost all abortions occur before the third semester, which to me is perfectly reasonable. In other words, the status quo is fine with me. Any attempt to change it would be immoral. It is frankly none of my business why women have abortions, and it is none of yours. You're sticking your dominionist nose where it does not belong.
its a shame that this country has been lead to believe that our "rights" include killing innocent children. I firmly believe in the rights provided by our constitution, however our constitution does not grant the right to abortion. and you sure as hell have no human right to abort a baby. outside the US or in, you have no right to take a life, or potential life, no matter what the circumstances.
so should it also be my legal right to come murder you, because your making my life difficult? i meen thats what it comes down to right? your inconveniencing me, so according to your logic, i have every right to kill you....
I'm sure you would like nothing better. But unfortunately I am not a clump of cells, I have gray matter and therefore I am a functioning person, unlike a fetus. But, by all means, take your best shot. That is what you people want anyway. You would still be burning people at the stake if you could get away with it.
well, technically you are a clump of cells. you can just talk and walk. and actually a fetus can function. it can grab and squeez by the second trimester....
A mouse has a brain too. The human brain is distinct, a fetus has not formed the distinct gray matter that gives us the ability to think, reason. It is no more deserving of rights than any other animal. You can't step on someone's actual rights to protect a non-person. Hawking can't "bend and squeeze", but he has a mind. Anti-abortionists degrade personhood with these foolish superstitious arguments. Just like these PETA lunatics who protest when Obama swats an insect.
Well I think I already explained that. The formation of the cerebral cortex is when I would say that the fetus can be given some legal rights, since it has developed the part of the brain that will give it the ability of awareness, the ability to think and reason. Almost all abortions occur before this point, despite the propaganda of the anti-abortionists. Late term abortions are extremely rare, and many of these are performed to save the mother's life.
Oh I am sorry I did not read your other comments. I am unfamiliar with what week or range of week during pregnancy the fetus forms the cerebral cortex. Do you know what time frame that would be? And just to understand you, would you consider abortions performed after this stage for reasons other than health to be a violation of a person's right to life?
That makes no difference in my opinion. If it is born prematurely, before the third trimester, and the parents wanted to cut off life support they would be entitled to. It is not yet a person.
actually thats not true at all. organized religion most certainly would exist without money, it would just not be able to help out the poor as much as it does now. i love how you assume an entire group of people are just walking around killing people hahahaha. thats funny, especially when your trying to gain credibility? facts gain credibility, which you seem to lack, even tho you say those are important.
I'm confused. Who did I accuse of "walking around killing people"? I don't think I have done that. I thought that is what you were doing? Not being sarcastic.
What facts am I not providing? I said that most almost all abortions occur before the third semester, so there is no cerebral cortex in place, which is the part of the brain which distinguishes us from other animals. That is why I support the status quo. What more do you need? I even provided biblical evidence, and I am not even a theist.
You are providing facts that are irrelevant. It is irrelevant to me how much money abortionists make; they could make no money or a ton of money, it has no bearing on why it should be legal. It has no bearing how many abortions are performed because of emergencies, since I believe it should be legal anyway, regardless of emergency. You would say that I "support abortion as a form of birth control." Yes.
how can that not matter? you can honestly live with yourself knowing that abortion is legal because of the profit on it? wow, abortion as a form a birth control. well, that is just a sad life sir. the end does not justify the means my friend. there is nothing else i can say. you will not change your views, so why waist my time?
Again, I do not care how much money they make. It is irrelevant to me. I am not making any money off of abortion. I gain nothing by it being legal. But I believe that it is a legal right that should not be tampered with. I will be damned before the dominionists in this country overturn that law or any other law based on their theocratic nonsense. Abortion is not unethical; sticking your nose into the law books & changing it based on your religious beliefs is.
well, youll be judged one day my friend. and when im sitting in the gates of heaven, while your sould is being examined, I will laugh when God comes across this little conversation. until then, enjoy murdering innocent children.
Sure, sure. We already know that Christians are sadists pretending to be masochists. A heaven full of Christian conservatives sounds like hell to me, anyway.
If you're not busy flagellating yourself, by the way, perhaps you might look up Exodus 21:21-23. I would never advocate reading the bible for moral guidance, but it provides plenty of humor, and I find that passage particularly amusing.
yes, any man who causes an abortion should be severly punished... eye for an eye, all that. im familiar with that passage, however it only proves my point.
and what a sad world this would be if you got your way. dead babies all over, and women degrading themselves all over the streets. that would only spread aids all the more, killing even more people. jees you never stop killing do you?
I haven't launched any Inquisitions or Jihads lately.
People should have the right to be prostitutes. They have the right to an abortion. You may not like it, but your tastes are not law. If you want theocracy, try Iran. AIDS is spread because people do not wear condoms. Part of the reason why they do not wear condoms is because upstanding Christians like Benedict XVI tell people not to use them. Religion is an obscenity, but people have their right to it. I do not try to legislate my tastes.
Great speech by Obama. Nice to hear some logical and practical statements, rather than listening to the dogmatic garbage spouted by those who preach "pro-life" while advocating or making excuses for those who shoot doctors.
Abortion is not murder. If you want to learn about murder, read Catholic history.
your mom shouldve aborted you. if abortion is not murder, why can you be charged for killing two people in a car crash if a pregnant mother is killed? the fact that abortion is not murder is simply your opinion. it is my opinion that it IS murder, who cares? you have no facts to back up that it is not murder. there are facts to back up that it actually IS murder....
Why is it called double murder? Depends on how late the pregnancy is, or on how many dominionists are in the legislature. If you read your iron age folklore, Exodus states that a man who kills a woman should be killed, while a man who kills a fetus only pays a fine. Afterall, there is a difference between killing&murder. Is it murder to swat flies? No. A Fly has more cells than an embryo, yet Catholicism bans morning after pills. Evidence is the last thing anti-aborts are interested in
I hate to break it to you but abortion is murder. If we have Tiller the Killer killing 5 babies a day, it is justifiable to have him stopped by any means possible without condoning it. If we have a school shooting where 50 people are dead and the shooter is arrested, i will guaran-damn-tee you that at least 80% of America will want that guy executed through the death penalty. Yours and Obamas argument is not logical as long as you keep continuing the pro-death agenda of Democrats
Hate to break it to you but a fetus with no gray matter is not a baby. You kill more cells scratching your arm than you would killing an embryo. I am pro-life, which is why I support abortion rights.
Obama set a date for withdrawal. Which is why there are less protests. He still receives criticism from many liberals on the issue; perhaps if you watched something other than Fox you might notice.
& before you start spouting nonsense to me about "wanting the war to fail" I supported the '06 surge
He set a date but he is still leaving over 50,000 troops in Iraq after 2010. You don't see the intelligence like he does. He doesn't want to fuck up the country under his watch and neither do the liberal Senators. Believe what you want about abortion but the fact is that abortion is one of many key ingredients to the path of socialism. Gay marriage, universal health care, cap and trade/tax, stem cell research are all supported by socialists.
god dam socialists. go to russia or china if you want the government to run everything. have fun with 0 freedoms. there is a reason we left and started this country, to be FREE, to no longer be run by the government, which is why the bill of rights was written to prevent the power from being given to government.
Where do you people get this stuff about "socialism"? Socialism is an economic philosophy; we are not discussing economics, are we? I am not a socialist, and neither is Obama, really.
"here is a reason we left and started this country, to be FREE, to no longer be run by the government" I agree 100%. Which is why abortion should be legal. Unfortunate that you cannot follow your own arguments to their logical conclusion; but I am here to help. Government has no right to ban abortion.
our government has an obligation to protect us as humans, and that includes unborn humans. just like the government has an obligation to protect me from someone who wants to kill me. in the case that they are not around to do that, they allwo me to carry a gun s that i can protect myself. the government has a right to tell you not to murder someone whether you like it or not. what does abortion have to do with transgender?
and it sounds as tho you support abortion only if it saves the mothers life, which isnt as bad as supporting abortion cart blanc, however, why should the "mass of cells" as you consider it, not have the right to develop into a human, just because you feel like calling it a mass of cells. should we not err on the side of caution and assume that it is a human, and not kill anyone?
and in case you wernt aware, only 4% of abortions are commited because the womans health is in jeopardy. so would you be alright with keeping the other 96% of abortions illegal?
and that data is taken from Lawrence Finer, et al, "Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives, "Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health", volume 37, Number 3 (sept. 2005) page. 110
except a fly, and your arm cells are not potential human beings. they are not the basis for human life. if you did not commit an abortion, it would become a human. if you didnt scartch your arm, youd have a few more arm cells. and in case you didnt know, embryo's grow, and abortion is legal beyond the point at which the fetus is smaller than a flay.
Potential human beings? Like my aunt has the potential to be my uncle if she grows a pair?
Abortion should be legal before the formation of the cerebral cortex, which is the part of the brain that distinguishes us from other animals. Almost every single abortion occurs before that point. Most that occur after are because of emergencies. Anyone who wants to ban abortion is living in an ivory tower of self-righteousness, and has no respect for real human life.
It's amazing how the people were very hostile at first but then gave a standing ovation in the end. Even more amazing, these are Catholics, who are very right-wing, usually, and the topic at hand is very controversial. Obama preached in tolerance and finding a middle ground in which both sides can fight a common enemy. Why don't people get that idea? It's either with or against in most cases.
Obama is the biggest hypocrite, that i know of, on the planet!! PLEASE, listen to the stupid words that are coming out of your mouth you MORON! do us all a big favor and just resign.
Not quite Albionrafe. In democracy, the mob rule is the law. In a Republic, the Law is absolute, not created or dismissed by the mob. You have to remember that in a republic, the Law and constitution are above the people, it is there to protect them. In democracy the people become above the law and constitution, and society begins to crumble under corruption and the tricks of the majority vote. Democracy is wrong no matter how you look at it in that regard. Republic is not majority rule.
The democratic party doesn't really support a purely democratic government... It was just too late to change their name since Republican was already taken
You do know that the Republicans are a group of Democrats that broke off of the Democrat party over the issue of slavery right? Essentially the Democrats as a party split into two, the other side called themselves the Grand Ol Party (GOP), aka republicans. Democrats supported slavery and the GOP formed to oppose them. The first GOP president was Abe Lincoln. Democrats originally formed to be an anti-federalist party. Thus, what you have said is made up and not factual.
I said change, right? Around the 1900s, both the republican and democratic parties did a 360 on basically all of their ideals, so it was too late to rename their parties.
You said that the name was already taken, so no, that doesnt make sense...and no they didnt do a 360. Do you even know what a 360 is? that would mean nothing changed. Finally, democrats since the split have always pushed for expanded democracy rather than the republic. Btw you should read up on the history of both parties from a non biased source.
I wish they were as enthusiastic as they are now at denouncing those priests when they were abusing little boys. 'Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you'. Get away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:23-24, International Standard Version). This Statement from Jesus is making more sense to me now.
quite the opposite actually, but see isnt that how it works. Dems always assume they are in the right, while they do the most smearing, name calling, drama..ect they sell products and slogans, not politicians who have the peoples best interest in mind. Dont doubt, for one second, who is really the "stupid" party. You will always think your party is great, and the opposing party is "stupid", and that in itself is a sign of your stupidity.
yeah because Liberal Democrats and especially Liberal celebs have NEVER resorted to name calling or tagging defaming labels on anyone who has an opposite viewpoint, oh no!
Sure they do. I work in Hollywood champ, the most liberal celebs I know can be as racist as the rest. Many of the non jewish celebs dont always like the jewish side of the industry. Mel Gibson was pissed because there were those jewish executives in hollywood who were trying to prevent him from working because they hated his film about Jesus. Furthermore, janeane garofalo didnt have to be drunk to call people racist black hating nut jobs (tea parties). Thats worse if you can do it sober.
American leaders and lawmakers should learn from the writings and proceedings of the American Anti-imperialist League. The USA has not been given any mission from god to carry the so called "white man's burden". The USA should stop policing the world and should stop invading other countries for economic and expansionist reasons. That is the only way to maintain peace in the world today.
The universe was created for humans...the whole thing? Expanding, vast... what is it about some people that makes them think they can tell another unrelated person how to live? Isn't that judgement left for God and if so why dont we let him? Why have people assumed the God roll? Is it because hes not concerned w/ the life on this planet and we feel judgement is needed now? I bet if the wife of a terrorist was gonna have an abortion a few ya would be like,"one less suicide bomber in 12yrs".
What a public speaker! He is up there with the best including Dr King and Kennedy. The american public should be thankful, he is their light of hope in these dark times. I look forward to seeing his great work and restoring the faith in america. All we need now is of similiar leader back here in the UK.
Gray area that needs to be addressed,... hmmm, you mean what the baby looks like four hours after it 's been killed? oh but it's the mother's right to choose to kill her own. an inconvenience... maybe we should all do that to anyone and everyone that is an inconvenience.
Or outside, and look around you and still think the earth is 10,000 years old, and fossils are gods way of playing a prank on humans and your only fighting argument is a book written by many people hundreds of years after the events they describe. You've got a lot of convincing to do.
Be real. You are only human. Not some beloved race created by an omniscient being. Just another creature on a planet in a dark void of space.
religions have came and gone throughout time; many ancient religions we now call mythology. I'm not an atheist, but I can't help but wonder if several thousand years from now people will talk about my religion along with other faiths of our time in the same way...as mere mythology. just some food for thought.
This country is suffering from schizophrenia. People seem to just draw the line where it is convenient for them not thinking why they did it. They think embryonic stem cell research is unethical yet they celebrate couples who have gone through in-vitro. fert. not raising the same outrage to the left over unfertilized eggs that were destroyed. But when a mom CHOOSES to keep ALL of those eggs..we shun her because she's burdening everybody.
Then good for you and your continued support of this country's social programs! I am talking about the collective consciousness of this country. I haven't yet seen a fertility doctor and couples in jail (nor a wider push for it) for destroying left-over fertilized eggs.
"Most conservatives are hypocrites who support murder through war and death penalty, but pretend to be pro-life on abortion."
That's completely untrue. Who supports "murder" in war? Nobody.
You are telling me dems don't support their sons' and daughters in Iraq? And one could easily say oh most dems are hypocrites because they support killing babies but pretend to not support captial punishment. "Most" people on both sides have different views on capital punishment and abortion, get real.
So essentially your asserting that that there's no murder in war? Just because your a Dem doesn't necessarily mean your a non-con. There are such thing as conservative dems. And one could easily say that abortion is not murder cuz fetuses aren't live human beings. Death Penalty on the other hand is senseless murder of humans.
Either you support abortion and/or DP or you dont. Those are pretty much the views. Your the one that needs to get real my friend.
Nope, not what I said. I said no one has to support "murder" but can support a "war."
Fetuses are "alive," by definition.
"Either you support abortion and/or DP or you dont." Ah, yep, pretty obvious.
Saying convervatives support DP but not abortion is ridiculous when you JUST said "There are such thing as conservative dems" Same could be said for republicans. Again, typical dem applying label that goes both ways.
So supporting War is perfectly legit cause theres no Murder in it, right? ROFL
Yes fetuses are alive and so are cancer cells, dust mites, sperm and germs..so why dont any of these pro-life people defend the life in that? No constancy here.
And I didnt say all conservatives dont support abortion; im sure there are some.
"So supporting War is perfectly legit cause theres no Murder in it, right?"
Dense some? MURDER is wrong, but supporting our troops for sacrificing their lives to protect YOU an me is a just cause, even most dems would agree
"Yes fetuses are alive and so are cancer cells, dust mites, sperm and germs..so why dont any of these pro-life people defend the life in that?" way out in left,
If you can justify a war because of a good motive, surely it is possible to justify somebody seeking an abortion. After all, one fetus is killed in an abortion, whilst thousands have been killed and are being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I'm not even sure that protection of 'you and me' is the real cause for the wars in the middle-east. I heard that oil is worth a lot of money.
You are right about the innocent iraqi civilans, of course I don't support their loss of life. However I do support the effort to keep radical muslims from growing and attempting another jihad on amiercan soil. The loss of civilian life does make war a little difficult to justify yes, but on the same token where is the justification in the execution of a human fetus?
I'm not suggesting there is a justification for aborting a fetus, just that you can't oppose abortion and support war, without being ethically inconsistent.
However if you look up the abortion law in the UK passed in 1967, it provides several example cases in which abortion may be justified.
I think it should always be a last resort, because as you say there alternatives such as adoption, but if continuing the pregnancy would likely result in the death or serious injury of both mother and child for whatever reason, then surely, for the preservation of life, abortion is the right choice?
Also, if you are opposing abortion on a pro-life basis then you have to be consistent and oppose anything that directly results in loss of life. I'm pretty sure war directly causes loss of life - and not just the lives of terrorists.
Indeed it could but then again, it is debatable whether a fetus can be classed as a living human being. If people believe that, then they can oppose the death penalty, support abortion and have no inconsistency in their beliefs as far as they are concerned.
Also there are other arguments against the death penalty other than the pro-life one.
Abortion is "hidden" murder that decieves the person aborting. Goes against the mother/child relationship and hits at a deeper dignity of humanity. It kills innocents before they had a chance at life. The death penalty would be justified for sure if there were no prisons...I mean that because societies have the luxury of law and prisons we can feel safe from evil people...but in reality if there was no prisons and death penalty, a person like that would have to die to protect others from him.
Educate YOUR self. You're being naive if you think that every human that is killed in Afghanistan and Iraq are all terrorists or even all soldiers. It's called COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Smart missiles are getting better, but even the best can take out the wrong people.
Perhaps if you read my comments you would have seen that I oppose civilian casualties, but anybody that doesn't support OUR troops is lying to themselves.
Educate yourself and know that Baghdad is now safer than Tijuana Mexico thanks to the bravery of our troops and the surge brought to you by Bush and Cheney. Obama is coninuing their same policies by wanting to succeed in Iraq. Did you notice that no Democrats are talking about Iraq anymore? It's because they don't want it to fail on their watch. They wanted Bush to fail though, that's why they wanted a withdrawal.
Actually it does matter because I did not include the entire population but only "most"
But perhaps it is ignorant of me to generalize like that.
And I certainly support our troops but I dont support war. Im not gonna dust the dictionary for the term "war" cuz its obviously not as same as the term "troops"
And because he was drawn to the Church...he joined a black supremacist cult that has strong ties to the hateful fake-Muslims of the Nation of Islam. That makes sense. Go pass an "unssustainable" porkulus bill or something.
Aaharrington, interesting fact actually... our founding fathers all warned of democracy. In fact, a few hated it, they understood that when in excess, it destroys itself, leading right back to an oligarchy. "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself." -John Adams
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that Karl Marx even said democracy is the road to socialism. It's nice to see someone else that actually understands this whole thing.
how would Obama know what a saint is? he's not catholic hahaha maybe if his mother raised him in a religous environment he wouldn't seem so crazy to me
You know, somehow I don't think you are the kind of support Obama likes to have. Or maybe you think he's lying when he talks about being inspired by people of faith? Did you even listen to this speech? Do you even know anything about the man you support? When you listen a second time, please pay attention to the part about treating those with different opinions with civility.
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
Obama is ending harsh interrogation methods due to ethics concerns. The CIAs job is now harder but its the right thing to do, Obama assures them. Obama does not apply this same logic to abortion. Why not? Okay, you get an unwanted pregnancy. The easy way out is an abortion. But the ethical way out is to go through with having the baby. Sure, your job will be harder but its the right thing to do.
Where is the destruction of unused fertilized in-vitro eggs fall under? I don't hear major opposition to THAT? These are embryonic cells as well. Then the source of the "destruction" should be outlawed as well. You're intolerant of women who went through hardship (whether it be rape or a fetus that will have sever defects) yet you rejoice couples who have chosen to have a baby through IVF not knowing how many eggs where discarded.
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Twenty-five Notre Dame faculty members–led by the university’s top ethics expert, and including some of the school’s most eminent scholars–have signed a statement declaring that President Barack Obama’s latest version of his administration’s mandate that all health insurance plans in the United States must cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions, is “a grave violation of religious freedom and cannot stand.”
MsRepoDude 2 weeks ago
Great speech. God does resist the proud and does indeed give grace to the humble. And yes doubt should always push us closer to God, it should humble us, it should cause the self-righteousness that so easily besets us as frail human beings to dissipate. The underlying theme of this speech imo is that without love & respect, both sides of the abortion debate are merely making the noise of clanging symbols. The law no longer applies. Mercy & grace in Jesus name must prevail.
caskett4eva 6 months ago
By the way, I put down a thumbs down for this. I'm not so easily brainwashed or manipulated. Also, you can touch hearts and minds without preaching the Gospel. It's called knowing and accepting God's Word. Why would it necessarily need to be in an order? We're all created in God's Image, all are unique in our own way, to God's liking. If it weren't any good, it would not have ever been. Many people mis-interpret God's Word ALL THE TIME!
Metal2BKnown 9 months ago
I'm sorry but that's wrong! When Obama say's, "Doubt should not push Us away from our faith..," With faith it necessarily admits doubt.. he shouldn't be preaching about God to a bunch of Graduates from a school. They either know the truth or they don't know. You're either in it all the way 100%, or just halfing it to look like you know what you're talking about, even when you know deep down you're full of ..it I'll be praying for all those who are strayed away from the faith of God
Metal2BKnown 9 months ago
This is nonsense talk that is on the surface and flat. Uninspiring. Bland and generic that goes against the real shining truth of life. the light and love and sacredness of a God that is being crucified daily through our worldy applications of cold justice and self convincing moralism... Abortion, gay marriage, death penalty, premarital sex, hatred, patriotism and pride...all are false. Let's go back to the basic foundation the made USA great. the Bible and the 10 commandments.
joeyscorpionking 1 year ago
@ Jim - with respect:
I would take a community organizer as leader over Bush any day of the week! Obama is trying to move the collective. Try to bring down the barriers between countries, states, towns, and communities, races and religion. In a lot of ways isn't a community organizer doing the same job as a president, just at a larger scale?
eddyj1983 1 year ago
Why don't you ask the question of Collectiveness. Ever heard the term Communism. And there is a difference between Christian, Jewish, and Islam. The black and white communities were both hookwinked with the 114th Amendment. But then Obama was a "Community Organizer" and knows better. Any American that believes anything that comes out of this pseudo leader is as much an idiot as he pretends to be. Wake up! A Community Organizer is the leader of our Country? Give me a break DUMBASSES!
JimPalmisano 2 years ago
Amazing how dumbed down the American People are...This is from a Community Organizer! I'm Catholic and these priests/cardinals have no clue what Obama is really talking about.
If I came from an Aftrican background I would be beside myself. Some like to refer to me as an Italian-American. This must be corrected! I'm an AMERICAN get it!
JimPalmisano 2 years ago
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cfh99nyc 2 years ago
I believe in the rights of the woman for abortion, but I also believe in the rights of the child that is not yet born... let's educate and help more our children of tomorrow to reduce the unintended pregnancy...
hggm84 2 years ago
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what on earth? Obama clearly has not read anything by Catholics on faith.
AbdielAbiram 2 years ago
arguing abortion isn't relevant!
stop arguing!
it doesn't matter!
happycrazedyouth 2 years ago
why the hell am i watching this?!
RulerOFmany 2 years ago
Hmmmm abortion....it is so a woman`s issue....
BadSsen 2 years ago
should prostitution then be legalized? its a woman's body, she should have the right to choose right?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
the fact is that your argument is based on emotion, while mine is based on evidence as you say, and facts, numbers, statistics, REALITY. apparently none of that matters to you?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
you claim that "we" are scared of evidence. yet, when i provide you with the facts, you say you dont care about them? hypocrite? talk about speaking outa both sides of your mouth.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
how is that for facts? need i supply more? you say evidence is the last thing we want to hear? that enough evidence for you? and youd be wrong about most abortions happening before a baby has developed, and especially in emergencies. most abortions are committed because the mother "feels unready for child/responsibility". only 7% of abortions are "hard cases" that is: Mother's health in jeopardy, baby may have health problems, or rape. what about the other 93%?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
you want to know the real reason that abortion is not illegal yet? because of the revenues. the estimated revenue for Planned PArenthood in 2004 from FIRST TRIMESTER abortions only, which only account for 10-12% of annual abortions, was $94,865,580. why on earth would we outlaw a business that makes so much money?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Talking out of both sides of your mouth, like a good conservative. "Keep government out of our private lives" "Government should ban abortion."
I did not say that I support abortion only if it saves the mother's life. I said I do support abortion, carte blanche, before the third semester; like me now? I don't care what the percentages or circumstances are, women have the right to an abortion, in my view; for any reason. A fetus without should not be given equal legal rights, that would absurd.
lombard34 2 years ago
The real reason why abortion is still legal is because the dominionist Republican party has not yet managed to pack the Supreme Court full of Fascists. I don't know how much abortionists make, I do know their lives are constantly threatened by fruitcakes like yourself, like the doctor killed recently. The same people who call themselves pro-life are killing fully grown human beings. Ironic.
Organized religion surely would not continue to exist if there were no money in it. What does that prove?
lombard34 2 years ago
I did not say that most abortions occur because of emergencies. I said that almost all abortions occur before the third semester, which to me is perfectly reasonable. In other words, the status quo is fine with me. Any attempt to change it would be immoral. It is frankly none of my business why women have abortions, and it is none of yours. You're sticking your dominionist nose where it does not belong.
lombard34 2 years ago
if it meens saving an innocent life, ill stick wherever i feel like
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
You aren't saving lives, Batman. You are trying to interfere with people's legal rights. Which is all well and good; but you're losing.
lombard34 2 years ago
its a shame that this country has been lead to believe that our "rights" include killing innocent children. I firmly believe in the rights provided by our constitution, however our constitution does not grant the right to abortion. and you sure as hell have no human right to abort a baby. outside the US or in, you have no right to take a life, or potential life, no matter what the circumstances.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
so should it also be my legal right to come murder you, because your making my life difficult? i meen thats what it comes down to right? your inconveniencing me, so according to your logic, i have every right to kill you....
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
I'm sure you would like nothing better. But unfortunately I am not a clump of cells, I have gray matter and therefore I am a functioning person, unlike a fetus. But, by all means, take your best shot. That is what you people want anyway. You would still be burning people at the stake if you could get away with it.
lombard34 2 years ago
haha oh now im a racist and a murderer? are you generalizing, and stereotyping AGAIN!?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
well, technically you are a clump of cells. you can just talk and walk. and actually a fetus can function. it can grab and squeez by the second trimester....
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
A person is defined by their brain, not by their ability to grab and squeeze. Stephen Hawking is a person, a fetus is not.
lombard34 2 years ago
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lilbro86 2 years ago
A mouse has a brain too. The human brain is distinct, a fetus has not formed the distinct gray matter that gives us the ability to think, reason. It is no more deserving of rights than any other animal. You can't step on someone's actual rights to protect a non-person. Hawking can't "bend and squeeze", but he has a mind. Anti-abortionists degrade personhood with these foolish superstitious arguments. Just like these PETA lunatics who protest when Obama swats an insect.
lombard34 2 years ago
I am honestly and respectfully interested to know your opinion, at what point in development does a human body become a person?
lilbro86 2 years ago
Well I think I already explained that. The formation of the cerebral cortex is when I would say that the fetus can be given some legal rights, since it has developed the part of the brain that will give it the ability of awareness, the ability to think and reason. Almost all abortions occur before this point, despite the propaganda of the anti-abortionists. Late term abortions are extremely rare, and many of these are performed to save the mother's life.
lombard34 2 years ago
Oh I am sorry I did not read your other comments. I am unfamiliar with what week or range of week during pregnancy the fetus forms the cerebral cortex. Do you know what time frame that would be? And just to understand you, would you consider abortions performed after this stage for reasons other than health to be a violation of a person's right to life?
lilbro86 2 years ago
It is about six months in, before the third trimester.
Yes, I think late term abortions should be illegal on some level if the mother's life is not at risk.
lombard34 2 years ago
What happens if a baby is born before then?
lilbro86 2 years ago
Can you be more specific. What do you mean "what happens"?
lombard34 2 years ago
Does it have personhood?
lilbro86 2 years ago
That makes no difference in my opinion. If it is born prematurely, before the third trimester, and the parents wanted to cut off life support they would be entitled to. It is not yet a person.
lombard34 2 years ago
It was great to hear you out. God bless you.
lilbro86 2 years ago
You can't grab and squeeze without a brain. Hawkins may not be viable, but you are right, he is a person.
lilbro86 2 years ago
actually thats not true at all. organized religion most certainly would exist without money, it would just not be able to help out the poor as much as it does now. i love how you assume an entire group of people are just walking around killing people hahahaha. thats funny, especially when your trying to gain credibility? facts gain credibility, which you seem to lack, even tho you say those are important.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
I'm confused. Who did I accuse of "walking around killing people"? I don't think I have done that. I thought that is what you were doing? Not being sarcastic.
What facts am I not providing? I said that most almost all abortions occur before the third semester, so there is no cerebral cortex in place, which is the part of the brain which distinguishes us from other animals. That is why I support the status quo. What more do you need? I even provided biblical evidence, and I am not even a theist.
lombard34 2 years ago
You are providing facts that are irrelevant. It is irrelevant to me how much money abortionists make; they could make no money or a ton of money, it has no bearing on why it should be legal. It has no bearing how many abortions are performed because of emergencies, since I believe it should be legal anyway, regardless of emergency. You would say that I "support abortion as a form of birth control." Yes.
So what facts am I "hypocritically" ignoring?
lombard34 2 years ago
how can that not matter? you can honestly live with yourself knowing that abortion is legal because of the profit on it? wow, abortion as a form a birth control. well, that is just a sad life sir. the end does not justify the means my friend. there is nothing else i can say. you will not change your views, so why waist my time?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Again, I do not care how much money they make. It is irrelevant to me. I am not making any money off of abortion. I gain nothing by it being legal. But I believe that it is a legal right that should not be tampered with. I will be damned before the dominionists in this country overturn that law or any other law based on their theocratic nonsense. Abortion is not unethical; sticking your nose into the law books & changing it based on your religious beliefs is.
A fetus is not a child; you are.
lombard34 2 years ago
well, youll be judged one day my friend. and when im sitting in the gates of heaven, while your sould is being examined, I will laugh when God comes across this little conversation. until then, enjoy murdering innocent children.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Sure, sure. We already know that Christians are sadists pretending to be masochists. A heaven full of Christian conservatives sounds like hell to me, anyway.
If you're not busy flagellating yourself, by the way, perhaps you might look up Exodus 21:21-23. I would never advocate reading the bible for moral guidance, but it provides plenty of humor, and I find that passage particularly amusing.
lombard34 2 years ago
I don't recall calling you a racist. And yes, prostitution should be legal.
lombard34 2 years ago
yes, any man who causes an abortion should be severly punished... eye for an eye, all that. im familiar with that passage, however it only proves my point.
and what a sad world this would be if you got your way. dead babies all over, and women degrading themselves all over the streets. that would only spread aids all the more, killing even more people. jees you never stop killing do you?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
I haven't launched any Inquisitions or Jihads lately.
People should have the right to be prostitutes. They have the right to an abortion. You may not like it, but your tastes are not law. If you want theocracy, try Iran. AIDS is spread because people do not wear condoms. Part of the reason why they do not wear condoms is because upstanding Christians like Benedict XVI tell people not to use them. Religion is an obscenity, but people have their right to it. I do not try to legislate my tastes.
lombard34 2 years ago
the fact that you are unable or too ignorant to see other ppl's view, proves that the world is going to hell is because of ppl like you.
clemssss 2 years ago
if thats the heaven you're going too, then i am glad i'm not there. I dn't like to go to a place of ignorance.
clemssss 2 years ago
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lombard34 2 years ago
Great speech by Obama. Nice to hear some logical and practical statements, rather than listening to the dogmatic garbage spouted by those who preach "pro-life" while advocating or making excuses for those who shoot doctors.
Abortion is not murder. If you want to learn about murder, read Catholic history.
lombard34 2 years ago
your mom shouldve aborted you. if abortion is not murder, why can you be charged for killing two people in a car crash if a pregnant mother is killed? the fact that abortion is not murder is simply your opinion. it is my opinion that it IS murder, who cares? you have no facts to back up that it is not murder. there are facts to back up that it actually IS murder....
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Likewise
Why is it called double murder? Depends on how late the pregnancy is, or on how many dominionists are in the legislature. If you read your iron age folklore, Exodus states that a man who kills a woman should be killed, while a man who kills a fetus only pays a fine. Afterall, there is a difference between killing&murder. Is it murder to swat flies? No. A Fly has more cells than an embryo, yet Catholicism bans morning after pills. Evidence is the last thing anti-aborts are interested in
lombard34 2 years ago
I hate to break it to you but abortion is murder. If we have Tiller the Killer killing 5 babies a day, it is justifiable to have him stopped by any means possible without condoning it. If we have a school shooting where 50 people are dead and the shooter is arrested, i will guaran-damn-tee you that at least 80% of America will want that guy executed through the death penalty. Yours and Obamas argument is not logical as long as you keep continuing the pro-death agenda of Democrats
okam118 2 years ago
Hate to break it to you but a fetus with no gray matter is not a baby. You kill more cells scratching your arm than you would killing an embryo. I am pro-life, which is why I support abortion rights.
Obama set a date for withdrawal. Which is why there are less protests. He still receives criticism from many liberals on the issue; perhaps if you watched something other than Fox you might notice.
& before you start spouting nonsense to me about "wanting the war to fail" I supported the '06 surge
lombard34 2 years ago
He set a date but he is still leaving over 50,000 troops in Iraq after 2010. You don't see the intelligence like he does. He doesn't want to fuck up the country under his watch and neither do the liberal Senators. Believe what you want about abortion but the fact is that abortion is one of many key ingredients to the path of socialism. Gay marriage, universal health care, cap and trade/tax, stem cell research are all supported by socialists.
okam118 2 years ago
He is pulling them out as he said he would. You are grasping at straws.
Abortion leads to gay marriage, universal health care, stem cell research? If that is the case, then lets have more abortions...
lombard34 2 years ago
god dam socialists. go to russia or china if you want the government to run everything. have fun with 0 freedoms. there is a reason we left and started this country, to be FREE, to no longer be run by the government, which is why the bill of rights was written to prevent the power from being given to government.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Where do you people get this stuff about "socialism"? Socialism is an economic philosophy; we are not discussing economics, are we? I am not a socialist, and neither is Obama, really.
"here is a reason we left and started this country, to be FREE, to no longer be run by the government" I agree 100%. Which is why abortion should be legal. Unfortunate that you cannot follow your own arguments to their logical conclusion; but I am here to help. Government has no right to ban abortion.
lombard34 2 years ago
our government has an obligation to protect us as humans, and that includes unborn humans. just like the government has an obligation to protect me from someone who wants to kill me. in the case that they are not around to do that, they allwo me to carry a gun s that i can protect myself. the government has a right to tell you not to murder someone whether you like it or not. what does abortion have to do with transgender?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
and it sounds as tho you support abortion only if it saves the mothers life, which isnt as bad as supporting abortion cart blanc, however, why should the "mass of cells" as you consider it, not have the right to develop into a human, just because you feel like calling it a mass of cells. should we not err on the side of caution and assume that it is a human, and not kill anyone?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
and in case you wernt aware, only 4% of abortions are commited because the womans health is in jeopardy. so would you be alright with keeping the other 96% of abortions illegal?
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
and that data is taken from Lawrence Finer, et al, "Reasons U.S. Women Have Abortions: Quantitative and Qualitative Perspectives, "Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health", volume 37, Number 3 (sept. 2005) page. 110
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
except a fly, and your arm cells are not potential human beings. they are not the basis for human life. if you did not commit an abortion, it would become a human. if you didnt scartch your arm, youd have a few more arm cells. and in case you didnt know, embryo's grow, and abortion is legal beyond the point at which the fetus is smaller than a flay.
FrozenPenguing 2 years ago
Potential human beings? Like my aunt has the potential to be my uncle if she grows a pair?
Abortion should be legal before the formation of the cerebral cortex, which is the part of the brain that distinguishes us from other animals. Almost every single abortion occurs before that point. Most that occur after are because of emergencies. Anyone who wants to ban abortion is living in an ivory tower of self-righteousness, and has no respect for real human life.
lombard34 2 years ago
It's amazing how the people were very hostile at first but then gave a standing ovation in the end. Even more amazing, these are Catholics, who are very right-wing, usually, and the topic at hand is very controversial. Obama preached in tolerance and finding a middle ground in which both sides can fight a common enemy. Why don't people get that idea? It's either with or against in most cases.
BlackSkullRacer613 2 years ago
Obama is the biggest hypocrite, that i know of, on the planet!! PLEASE, listen to the stupid words that are coming out of your mouth you MORON! do us all a big favor and just resign.
Boilerup789 2 years ago
Not quite Albionrafe. In democracy, the mob rule is the law. In a Republic, the Law is absolute, not created or dismissed by the mob. You have to remember that in a republic, the Law and constitution are above the people, it is there to protect them. In democracy the people become above the law and constitution, and society begins to crumble under corruption and the tricks of the majority vote. Democracy is wrong no matter how you look at it in that regard. Republic is not majority rule.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
The democratic party doesn't really support a purely democratic government... It was just too late to change their name since Republican was already taken
jsli3004 2 years ago
You do know that the Republicans are a group of Democrats that broke off of the Democrat party over the issue of slavery right? Essentially the Democrats as a party split into two, the other side called themselves the Grand Ol Party (GOP), aka republicans. Democrats supported slavery and the GOP formed to oppose them. The first GOP president was Abe Lincoln. Democrats originally formed to be an anti-federalist party. Thus, what you have said is made up and not factual.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
I said change, right? Around the 1900s, both the republican and democratic parties did a 360 on basically all of their ideals, so it was too late to rename their parties.
jsli3004 2 years ago
You said that the name was already taken, so no, that doesnt make sense...and no they didnt do a 360. Do you even know what a 360 is? that would mean nothing changed. Finally, democrats since the split have always pushed for expanded democracy rather than the republic. Btw you should read up on the history of both parties from a non biased source.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
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I wish they were as enthusiastic as they are now at denouncing those priests when they were abusing little boys. 'Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name, drove out demons in your name, and performed many miracles in your name, didn't we? Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you'. Get away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:23-24, International Standard Version). This Statement from Jesus is making more sense to me now.
JimmyTheMatrix 2 years ago
I'm an Obama fan for sure, but following ANYONE blindly sets yourself up for a fall. That's just a dumb way to live period.
johnrachal05 2 years ago
He's the best of us. Very impressive speech. Brave move even being there.
sweeperstore 2 years ago 6
he's a ghoul
jeannedarc624 2 years ago
republicans are always the first to resort to name calling because your positions can not be defended by logical argument.
it is a wonder that your party has lasted so long. the republican party is a testament to the stupidity of the majority of the american people.
ivannasrevolution 2 years ago
quite the opposite actually, but see isnt that how it works. Dems always assume they are in the right, while they do the most smearing, name calling, drama..ect they sell products and slogans, not politicians who have the peoples best interest in mind. Dont doubt, for one second, who is really the "stupid" party. You will always think your party is great, and the opposing party is "stupid", and that in itself is a sign of your stupidity.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
yeah because Liberal Democrats and especially Liberal celebs have NEVER resorted to name calling or tagging defaming labels on anyone who has an opposite viewpoint, oh no!
bullcurr 2 years ago
No one's saying they're not, and at least none of them get drunk and yell "fucking jews" at police officers.
jsli3004 2 years ago
Sure they do. I work in Hollywood champ, the most liberal celebs I know can be as racist as the rest. Many of the non jewish celebs dont always like the jewish side of the industry. Mel Gibson was pissed because there were those jewish executives in hollywood who were trying to prevent him from working because they hated his film about Jesus. Furthermore, janeane garofalo didnt have to be drunk to call people racist black hating nut jobs (tea parties). Thats worse if you can do it sober.
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
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American leaders and lawmakers should learn from the writings and proceedings of the American Anti-imperialist League. The USA has not been given any mission from god to carry the so called "white man's burden". The USA should stop policing the world and should stop invading other countries for economic and expansionist reasons. That is the only way to maintain peace in the world today.
bebopbopbebop 2 years ago
At least we have something in common... you believe in god... and i believe in fairies at the bottom of my garden
msd180280 2 years ago
The universe was created for humans...the whole thing? Expanding, vast... what is it about some people that makes them think they can tell another unrelated person how to live? Isn't that judgement left for God and if so why dont we let him? Why have people assumed the God roll? Is it because hes not concerned w/ the life on this planet and we feel judgement is needed now? I bet if the wife of a terrorist was gonna have an abortion a few ya would be like,"one less suicide bomber in 12yrs".
ImmigrationL 2 years ago
What a public speaker! He is up there with the best including Dr King and Kennedy. The american public should be thankful, he is their light of hope in these dark times. I look forward to seeing his great work and restoring the faith in america. All we need now is of similiar leader back here in the UK.
msd180280 2 years ago 6
Gray area that needs to be addressed,... hmmm, you mean what the baby looks like four hours after it 's been killed? oh but it's the mother's right to choose to kill her own. an inconvenience... maybe we should all do that to anyone and everyone that is an inconvenience.
chilingzzz 2 years ago
If you can walk to any library, or museum.
Or outside, and look around you and still think the earth is 10,000 years old, and fossils are gods way of playing a prank on humans and your only fighting argument is a book written by many people hundreds of years after the events they describe. You've got a lot of convincing to do.
Be real. You are only human. Not some beloved race created by an omniscient being. Just another creature on a planet in a dark void of space.
kiyka 2 years ago 2
sad... you have a huge void in your heart and you don't even know it.
chilingzzz 2 years ago
religions have came and gone throughout time; many ancient religions we now call mythology. I'm not an atheist, but I can't help but wonder if several thousand years from now people will talk about my religion along with other faiths of our time in the same way...as mere mythology. just some food for thought.
MalikTarrant 2 years ago
this NIGGER is A FUCKING FAG fuck Onigger oh i mean Obama who fucked his Omama ha ha ha ha ha ha i crack myself up.
akd0000 2 years ago
u crack urself up - how funny ?
goodfela09 2 years ago
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nwoagenda 2 years ago
This country is suffering from schizophrenia. People seem to just draw the line where it is convenient for them not thinking why they did it. They think embryonic stem cell research is unethical yet they celebrate couples who have gone through in-vitro. fert. not raising the same outrage to the left over unfertilized eggs that were destroyed. But when a mom CHOOSES to keep ALL of those eggs..we shun her because she's burdening everybody.
cnuque76 2 years ago
"But when a mom CHOOSES to keep ALL of those eggs..we shun her because she's burdening everybody"
Whose burden??? I'm not burdened by a mother who keeps her own eggs...
mnsports1 2 years ago
Then good for you and your continued support of this country's social programs! I am talking about the collective consciousness of this country. I haven't yet seen a fertility doctor and couples in jail (nor a wider push for it) for destroying left-over fertilized eggs.
cnuque76 2 years ago
I agree that the collective needs a wider push for it. The IVF and abortion issue should be on the same level, absolutely.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Most conservatives are hypocrites who support murder through war and death penalty, but pretend to be pro-life on abortion.
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
"Most conservatives are hypocrites who support murder through war and death penalty, but pretend to be pro-life on abortion."
That's completely untrue. Who supports "murder" in war? Nobody.
You are telling me dems don't support their sons' and daughters in Iraq? And one could easily say oh most dems are hypocrites because they support killing babies but pretend to not support captial punishment. "Most" people on both sides have different views on capital punishment and abortion, get real.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Okay Mr. Quote Miner
So essentially your asserting that that there's no murder in war? Just because your a Dem doesn't necessarily mean your a non-con. There are such thing as conservative dems. And one could easily say that abortion is not murder cuz fetuses aren't live human beings. Death Penalty on the other hand is senseless murder of humans.
Either you support abortion and/or DP or you dont. Those are pretty much the views. Your the one that needs to get real my friend.
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
Nope, not what I said. I said no one has to support "murder" but can support a "war."
Fetuses are "alive," by definition.
"Either you support abortion and/or DP or you dont." Ah, yep, pretty obvious.
Saying convervatives support DP but not abortion is ridiculous when you JUST said "There are such thing as conservative dems" Same could be said for republicans. Again, typical dem applying label that goes both ways.
Swish.
mnsports1 2 years ago
So supporting War is perfectly legit cause theres no Murder in it, right? ROFL
Yes fetuses are alive and so are cancer cells, dust mites, sperm and germs..so why dont any of these pro-life people defend the life in that? No constancy here.
And I didnt say all conservatives dont support abortion; im sure there are some.
Right back at ya
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
consistency*
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
"So supporting War is perfectly legit cause theres no Murder in it, right?"
Dense some? MURDER is wrong, but supporting our troops for sacrificing their lives to protect YOU an me is a just cause, even most dems would agree
"Yes fetuses are alive and so are cancer cells, dust mites, sperm and germs..so why dont any of these pro-life people defend the life in that?" way out in left,
doesn't deserve a response
mnsports1 2 years ago
If you can justify a war because of a good motive, surely it is possible to justify somebody seeking an abortion. After all, one fetus is killed in an abortion, whilst thousands have been killed and are being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.
And I'm not even sure that protection of 'you and me' is the real cause for the wars in the middle-east. I heard that oil is worth a lot of money.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago
lol get over yourself, even most logical dems (and yes there are some) understand the oil conspiracy is a joke.
War and abortion? Not even close. Innocent fetus versus hmmmmm terrorists?
Educate yourself before posting.
Thanks for playing.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Innocent fetus versus terrorist? In most people's opinion probably no contest there.
However...
Since 2003:
It is estimated that around 100,000 innocent iraqi civilians have been killed.
4,619 coalition soldiers have died, including 4,302 Americans.
And I've not mentioned the countless more that have been injured.
You're right that abortion and war are 'not even close'. War is a far greater problem in my opinion, and is far more difficult to justify.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago 3
You are right about the innocent iraqi civilans, of course I don't support their loss of life. However I do support the effort to keep radical muslims from growing and attempting another jihad on amiercan soil. The loss of civilian life does make war a little difficult to justify yes, but on the same token where is the justification in the execution of a human fetus?
mnsports1 2 years ago
I'm not suggesting there is a justification for aborting a fetus, just that you can't oppose abortion and support war, without being ethically inconsistent.
However if you look up the abortion law in the UK passed in 1967, it provides several example cases in which abortion may be justified.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago 4
I'm familiar with the law, but abortion is black and white. There is always an alternative.
mnsports1 2 years ago
I think it should always be a last resort, because as you say there alternatives such as adoption, but if continuing the pregnancy would likely result in the death or serious injury of both mother and child for whatever reason, then surely, for the preservation of life, abortion is the right choice?
KissTheRedCarpet 2 years ago 2
That scenario is very uncommon.
mnsports1 2 years ago
What if it's a child that has been raped by a relative and bearing the child would likely kill the little girl?
nikkk0123 2 years ago
I suppose you would do what you have to do, still doesn't make it right.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Most people don't argue that abortion is RIGHT. Just that the woman with the child inside of her body should get to decide.
rayjones100 2 years ago
Amen to ur first Paragraph !! Well said.
Mickylife 2 years ago
Also, if you are opposing abortion on a pro-life basis then you have to be consistent and oppose anything that directly results in loss of life. I'm pretty sure war directly causes loss of life - and not just the lives of terrorists.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago 2
Not necessarily. The same argument couold be said for democrats that oppose the death penalty but support abortion.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Indeed it could but then again, it is debatable whether a fetus can be classed as a living human being. If people believe that, then they can oppose the death penalty, support abortion and have no inconsistency in their beliefs as far as they are concerned.
Also there are other arguments against the death penalty other than the pro-life one.
JammyDodger2012 2 years ago 2
Yep, and I'm happy to say I don't support abortion or the DP.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Abortion is "hidden" murder that decieves the person aborting. Goes against the mother/child relationship and hits at a deeper dignity of humanity. It kills innocents before they had a chance at life. The death penalty would be justified for sure if there were no prisons...I mean that because societies have the luxury of law and prisons we can feel safe from evil people...but in reality if there was no prisons and death penalty, a person like that would have to die to protect others from him.
joeyscorpionking 1 year ago
Educate YOUR self. You're being naive if you think that every human that is killed in Afghanistan and Iraq are all terrorists or even all soldiers. It's called COLLATERAL DAMAGE. Smart missiles are getting better, but even the best can take out the wrong people.
nikkk0123 2 years ago
Perhaps if you read my comments you would have seen that I oppose civilian casualties, but anybody that doesn't support OUR troops is lying to themselves.
BTW, "YOUR self" is one word, "YOURSELF"
Thanks for playing.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Lol, you're welcome?
nikkk0123 2 years ago
Educate yourself and know that Baghdad is now safer than Tijuana Mexico thanks to the bravery of our troops and the surge brought to you by Bush and Cheney. Obama is coninuing their same policies by wanting to succeed in Iraq. Did you notice that no Democrats are talking about Iraq anymore? It's because they don't want it to fail on their watch. They wanted Bush to fail though, that's why they wanted a withdrawal.
okam118 2 years ago
"And I didnt say all conservatives dont support abortion; im sure there are some."
No, you criticized convervatives for being pro-life while supporting the DP when anybody can support one (pro-life) and not the other (DP)
thanks for playing.
mnsports1 2 years ago
No go back to my original comment:
I said "most conservatives" NOT "conservatives."
You lose
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
"Most conservatives are hypocrites who support murder through war and death penalty, but pretend to be pro-life on abortion."
And I said,
"No, you criticized convervatives for being pro-life while supporting the DP when anybody can support one (pro-life) and not the other (DP)"
You are reaching, doesn't matter if you said "most" we know what you meant.
Fail.
mnsports1 2 years ago
Actually it does matter because I did not include the entire population but only "most"
But perhaps it is ignorant of me to generalize like that.
And I certainly support our troops but I dont support war. Im not gonna dust the dictionary for the term "war" cuz its obviously not as same as the term "troops"
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
I can't put a number on it either, but I got ya.
"Cheers" to the last part of your post.
mnsports1 2 years ago
P.S.- For the record I'm not a Dem.
SilvaSprinter 2 years ago
well that makes two of us!
mnsports1 2 years ago
Ron Paul 2012
loganbell84 2 years ago
This statement sounds remarkably similar to the one Obama had edited from his website after the message from the doctor.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
And because he was drawn to the Church...he joined a black supremacist cult that has strong ties to the hateful fake-Muslims of the Nation of Islam. That makes sense. Go pass an "unssustainable" porkulus bill or something.
Obama Bought The Presidency
PeterHaroldErikson 2 years ago
This is the best commencement speech i have watched. It beats Clinton. Its very touching. Need to have a copy on DVD.
limofi 2 years ago 4
Isn't this a republic and not a demodracy?
nee109 2 years ago
Yes it is a Republic. Most people think it's a democracy, it just goes to show you the power of an over zealous media pushing a democratic agenda.
aaharrington 2 years ago
Aaharrington, interesting fact actually... our founding fathers all warned of democracy. In fact, a few hated it, they understood that when in excess, it destroys itself, leading right back to an oligarchy. "Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself." -John Adams
Shiftfallout 2 years ago
Yeah a lot of people don't realize that Karl Marx even said democracy is the road to socialism. It's nice to see someone else that actually understands this whole thing.
aaharrington 2 years ago
how would Obama know what a saint is? he's not catholic hahaha maybe if his mother raised him in a religous environment he wouldn't seem so crazy to me
nee109 2 years ago
if he was raised in a religious environment he'd be a fucked up douche bag. Which is exactly why Huckabee and Palin will never become president.
abettertitum 2 years ago
You know, somehow I don't think you are the kind of support Obama likes to have. Or maybe you think he's lying when he talks about being inspired by people of faith? Did you even listen to this speech? Do you even know anything about the man you support? When you listen a second time, please pay attention to the part about treating those with different opinions with civility.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
i probably know more about any single candidate that you do. I just like to piss off very religious people who are close-minded.
abettertitum 2 years ago
you probably won't have to ever meet another "religious person" again where you're headed.
bullcurr 2 years ago
ahahah YOU funnayy. but dont worry, im sure ill meet plenty ;)
abettertitum 2 years ago
This is not a very Christian response.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
Yes it was....
jaggatorpm 2 years ago
2 Peter 15-16:
Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
ignorance is bliss
mnsports1 2 years ago
Strange how a person who is a supporter of Obama would sound nothing like him.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
> This is disgusting
> An ardent baby killer like Obama being given an honorary degree by a Cahtolic university.
> Obama is too CREEPY for words
BLCalifornia 2 years ago
Is this a speech that a middle eastern decent trying to lead Catholics toward a New "GREEN AGE" and getting everyone to get together?
Very interesting speech. Very great speech as well. But the way I look at things, I'm scared for things that could happen the way he's going.
The way he uses words... Is he Human!? Lol. He's got the mind of a 1,000 year old. Just to Charismatic and full of jokes.
CalisFinest101 2 years ago
He is not of middle eastern decent.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
Lol, that's what he and the media want you to think. He's good at what he does.
You tell me where I can find proof of where he is born? I'm not talking about that birth certificate they can't verify either.
CalisFinest101 2 years ago
To the best of my knowledge he didn't even set foot in the middle east until 2008. Neither did anyone else in his family. His father was from Kenya.
Do a google search on "factcheck Obama birth certificate" without the quotation marks. Unfortunately, youtube does not allow one to post links.
thesnake52000 2 years ago
Obama is ending harsh interrogation methods due to ethics concerns. The CIAs job is now harder but its the right thing to do, Obama assures them. Obama does not apply this same logic to abortion. Why not? Okay, you get an unwanted pregnancy. The easy way out is an abortion. But the ethical way out is to go through with having the baby. Sure, your job will be harder but its the right thing to do.
fulbert4605 2 years ago 2
Where is the destruction of unused fertilized in-vitro eggs fall under? I don't hear major opposition to THAT? These are embryonic cells as well. Then the source of the "destruction" should be outlawed as well. You're intolerant of women who went through hardship (whether it be rape or a fetus that will have sever defects) yet you rejoice couples who have chosen to have a baby through IVF not knowing how many eggs where discarded.
cnuque76 2 years ago
It is not a black or white discussion. If you don't want gray you have to be consistent.
cnuque76 2 years ago
You can't assume people don't have a problem with discarding eggs just because they are pro-life.
mnsports1 2 years ago
am i out of my mind or isn't this president
great - he truly inspires - one of the -
G.O.A.T
goodfela09 2 years ago
Great speaker, but its still to be determined just how great his presidency is. The man hasn't even been in office 6 months.
jaggatorpm 2 years ago