"un-created" i am sure you think you are wise and the other retards in the room with you do too. but sadly your circular logic is not impressive to any one with a clue. all matter in the universe reduces down to a single point "big bang" then expands. if someone created it, it would just be. not small and grow larger. you are fucking stupid! And if your god is soo good and his "design" is soo good why do you need doctors? idiot!
@quatroflit Everything that exists must have a beginning. The universe exists, and the big bang is its beginning. Have you asked yourself what caused the big bang? Think! Don't tell this man he has no clue when it is you who is really blind, like all atheists, and I've been one myself the bigger part of my life. It takes a spark to have one's mind enlightened, like it took a spark to get that big bang going. Think a bit more about the concept of infinity...it has no place in our reality.
@swissophie You make an assumption that everything needs a beginning. Says who? The Big Bang was not the beginning. It was only a refreshing. A reorganizing. You can neither create nor destroy matter. So as far as we know the universe has simply always existed.
Only a simple mind cannot accept this possibility. It is not illogical. It is reality. You are standing on a circle guessing where it starts.
By your logic, if your God exists, then something had to have created him.
@quatroflit Oh, and who says we need doctors? Fact is that where there are less doctors, people are living healthier lives. Allopathic medicine kills 780,000 people per year in the US alone! But I know you're asking about why evil exists...I think Dr. Philips explains it really well, but a closed mind seems to have no chance of understanding the message. God gave humans free will, and evil comes from humans choosing not to live by divine laws.
@quatroflit Without evil God's plan of putting souls in this world to test them would not make sense, and His creation would have been pointless. If He would have created us all angels, we would not have gotten the chance to grow spiritually and experience all the exhilarating feats that come with it. Pray to God you will receive a spark!
Funny how you speak of logic when half of your reply is full of swear words and illogical arguments that a kid would refer to in a street level debate.
- what caused the big bang? In order for it to happen, there must be a trigger. Who enabled this trigger?
- you need a doctor because the physical laws of nature requires treatment for illnesses and wounds that result from the environment around us.
I dare you to watch this video: watch?v=NRNGK-gMmsE
Obfuscating rhetoric. He needs to learn more. There are no shortcuts to knowledge or wisdom. Certainly not in some old moth eaten book of creation mythologies like the Quran or the bible whose fabric is full of holes. He miss applies Zeno's paradox and fails to mention Epicurus whose argument he attempts to refute. He's a mumbo jumboist of the Islamic variety.Fancy wasting your life studying and experimenting within the tool of theory and empiricism when all you need is to read the Quran!
There was something before the big bang, and its definitely not god. If a new planet system naturally came into order by random chance over long periods of time, no one would call it a product of God, so why should we call God a creator of the universe?
The breaking glass and the Hurricane in a junk yard are what are known as 'straw man' arguments. Einstein, Hawking, Feynman, etc. - do you really think that they would say that a hurricane could assemble a Mercedes?! No. For Mr Philips to use such an argument suggests his intention is to deceive - no one who can cite Plato and claims the right to the title 'Dr' in front of his name can be absolved on the grounds of ignorance.
Ah, the old 'common sense' argument which degenerates into nonsense. Actually, though it seems counter-intuitive, the best explanation (which really is logical) is that the universe arose from nothing and that's the only way that makes sense. Google 'Lawrence Kraus a universe from nothing' the logic requires a little intelligence (and maybe high school science) to follow but it is presented beautifully.
If you assert that 'nothing cannot produce something' and nothing can be 'infinite' how can you say a creator exits who must either be infinite or have come from nothing? Mr Philips' argument is based on Plato, Aquinas, etc. and is a poorly obfuscated circular argument. It relies on accepting 'common sense' explanations in a field where very little is 'common sense' or intuitive and it uses a subtle sidestep of reason with the introduction of the meaningless term "uncreated"...
i also have a question if god wasn't created then where did he come from.
also i do not find god to be good as you put it i find him very evil so all those chieldren who starve to death each year is for a something greater and i could keep on finding things like that i have been thingking and yes i think god is very evil
at first i was like "wait.. but if we needed to have been created, then what about god?" but then you were like "yeah but god wasn't created, you see.. we MUST have been created, but god doesn't need to have been created" and then i was like "yeah that makes perfect sense and is not special pleading at all. cos obviously we must have been created, cos here we are.. but god doesn't exist, so he is uncreated.. wait.. wut?"
how can a god exist without being created, but a universe can't?
@dheer1231 The One who created us, has to be uncreated, and not self-created. If He was part of the creation system, He would need someone to create Him, and the cycle would continue to no end, disproving both atheist(on the basis of what the Dr. mentioned) and theist theories.
Even if one accepts the first premise, that there is something which didn't need a creator, you still would have to proof that this something is your god or even something that would be called god. The next thing is, why can't the universe not be the thing that didn't need a creator, you simply shift the question to an answer that suits your belief. At this point in time we only can say "we don't know", there are hypothesis but nothing more.
To simply get away from the question "Where did god come from" you say he was uncreated and say not to ask that question? That is not logical, that's ignoring the question all together. You have proven yourself wrong without even realizing it. If nothing cannot create something, and god is something, then something had to have created him...this is what you said. And now, who created that creator? it goes on infinitely...meaning we would have never made it here in time.Plato said that
@planetofthescums . Isn't it possible that things have always existed without beginning or ending?
Believing something came from nothing is illogical in this theory that things were never out of existence, that things always existed. It is difficult, I think, to accept this as logical, but I would not count it out completely.
If things always existed, then the big bang is simply another cycle, where the record is wiped clean and the universe begins anew.
@planetofthescums no,i think things has to have a begening&an end,but that dose not mean that it came out of nothing,i personaly doubt that an explosion(the big bang) with out a desighner can produce order,like what dr bilal philips,can u imagine droping an atomic bomb over a junk yard can realy produce a car that is runing&good to go,even if u try it millions of millions of times,the chances is stil zero,how ever the big bang is mentioned by the almighty God,allah,in the quran,but done by him
@elnasser40 Science denies no observation of nature. I surmise the big bang theory could be wrong, because it is difficult to observe the evidence, that things travel away from some origin.
It also has a weak premise, that things must have begun somehow. Why would we assume this?
Evolution is a much stronger theory, for example, since we see the strong survive, things adapt, the environment change. Also observing the mind through the lens of evolution explains phobias and other idiocy.
@planetofthescums Wether or not evolution began at a certain point, or what is the goal of evolution is another issue. I think a much more philosophical one perhaps, since evidence this old surely has vanished forever.
Any evidence of God creating people for a purpose greater than the purpose for which he created animals is fictitious. The idea behind religion in general, as I take it, is a way of guiding people forward. Quite frankly, parts of religion have a tendency to draw people back.
@planetofthescums with all respect,but when u say ur self things COME ,then logicly they had to COME from something,and somewhere,and if that something or somewhere did not exsit,would not bring THINGS,but it did,so it had to come from somthing or somewhere,or no?agian,with all respect,but i am just wondering.
@potentcokaine Mohammed freed SOME of his slaves and kept others had sex with many of the females ones. I don't misunderstand anything 'abd" is the term used
The time doesn't matter. A 9yr old then is developmetally the same as a 9yr old today. If mohammed was truly from God he should have transcended time and not did what everyone else did during that time. Your justification helps to prove that he wasn't divine just another man.
@therighteousdeal he never had slaves he did what he could to buy slaves from owners only to free them not to have them work for him he was poor but with all his followers he found away to do so & at this time it was a disgrace to have a child that was a girl so often times they killed the girl unless they could marry her early so he being the caring man he took on that burdon wich turned to a blessing he loved his wife no matter what age age is just a number she was dear to him & he to her
There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle on migration; he (the Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
It is so obvious he leaves it's out, what a bogus statement. When it's not there, then suddenly it was 'too obvious', fantastic.
Do know that science does not say that we can understand it all, we work within a system and try to understand (yet we might fail indeed). So, your 'out of nothing' could simply be: quite complex to explain.
Btw, the world cannot create itself, but God can be timeless. This is great, so you use an argument that you just refused to apply to the world. Convenient :)
He has clever arguments that appear sound on the surface, however the arguments are deeply flawed. The speaker Dawa simply states that God was uncreated, and outside the system of creation. So everything has to spring from this creator, because you cannot make something out of nothing and you cannot create yourself. However, out of nothing somehow God is supposed to have come. So to explain creation he needs to make a big exception for God to be able to begin.
This is hilarious. His OWN arguement become's negated by its own illogical statements. His first point is deemed illogical (per his standards) by his third point. Very poor reasoning skills.
@jbarks10 your arrogant and stupid and you'll regret everything... p.s real practicing muslims are very clean in order to worship allah, so if u dont wanna believe then dont comment please its disrespectful even if ur an athiest
Theres nothing spiritual about it. Probably happens all over the universe. Life wasnt formed from nothing the ingredients in the primordial soup were all there.
The problem I have with the argument against creation from nothing is that it demands a creation out of G-d--but the Muslim belief is that G-d is different in Kind to His creation--and therefore to make creation from Himself would be to make himself emanent and therefore existentially pantheistic.
@ElderOfziyon "Kun fayakun." Allah says "Be" and it is. The laws that apply to us do not apply to the Almighty. Such is the magnitude of the power of Allah. Hope this helps. Just pray to God sincerely that "if you are there please guide me". If you are sincere in your heart then Allah will guide you Inshallah.
Muslim Brothers and sisters. Don't bother replying to people who post anti Islamic comments. you wont convince them of the good in Islam. They seek these videos out simply to attack us. If it makes them feel better why should it concern us? Save you preaching for people with a genuine interest in learning about Islam.
Bismillah.100% agreed with you. Save your breath. They did not want to enjoy the paradise. They prefer the narr, so let them be. The truth is they are not bless with iman as simple as that.
How was it waffle? It made perfect, logical sense. If it was waffle, then his claims would be illogical/contradictory or paradoxical. Tell me which part represents an inconsistency? The only reason someone will make this type of statement without a justification is because he/she isn't willing to accept the truth, or, does not have the intellectual ability to understand what is being said. In this case, the second one is ruled out because the man speaks in a very clear, concise & direct voice
Why act like an ignorant redneck? Provide constructive criticism if you wish, but comments like these will only elicit aggressive responses. Do you enjoy polarizing people with different morals and ways of life out of pure hatred? Because these are the usual motivations for making comments that are controversially antagonistic to the general theme of the video
Listen, when you say the earth is the center of the universe, and believe in holy books, death is the best, you get to go to Heaven, hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Belief means not wanting to know what is true.- Nietzsche
...it seems I am wiser than he is to this small extent, that I do not think that I know what I do not know.-Socrates
Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought...Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.- George Orwell
Hi electronicasam, I have tried to respond to every claim and critique of yours but so far all you have done is cast insults and refused to clarify or explain YOUR statements.
Also, I did answer your questions. You can confirm them in 2 seconds on google or in any kids science book.
Also hypocrites and liars are different.
Hypocrites are deluded to a point that they cant see how their own actions are at complete odds with their stated intent. Liars intentionally mislead. So which are you?
I am fully accountable to the truth, electronicasam, but never to myth or fallacy. You seem to agree that Allah isn't infinite, since according to you he has a weight. A things weight can be determined only relative to something else. What is this 'else' that Allah is by your understanding not a part of?
If you are saying Allah isn't everything, then hes not infinite, meaning he is therefore subject to the all the laws of existince as every"thing" else.
Also, if Allah isn't part of the created system, as stated above, then he isn't infinite, he is finite. It can only be one or the other. And if he is finite, then he is necesarilly bound by the rules of nature as all other 'existing' things, which means he will have a begining, a middle, and an end.
Last, using Abu's kid concept of Allah. If a result is different than Allah's intent, Allah isn't Omniscient or Omnipowerful, he's just giving it his best shot like everyone else. Tough break Allah.
Allah's 2 propositions constitute a false dichotomy that is meant to mislead one into accepting the false conclusion as presented above. In other words, the conclusion is baseless because there are more options than the 2 presented. For example:
Yes something must come from something (which is a logical understanding, not a commonsensical one) and life did. It came from this very Earth, just as everything we experience around us (on Earth) did and does. All evidence points to this option.
No, the Quran doens't provide the answers. I know a lot of Muslims, and I've read the Quran and i am not conviced.
I'm not an atheist, i simply don't know what the story is.
What I do know is that religion, in the form that is known to people, totally misses the point. Religion makes people believe that the people are the centre. While humans are just part of a big universe in which humans are nothing special next to everything else.
You have a valid point that certain religions, if not the majority entail a mindset (of the adherent), underwhich they presuppose that they truely are "special." However, if you truly have read the Qur'an, you would be aware that Islam does not maintain that humans are anything special compared to this universe. Firstly, I maintain that the Omniverse IS God. It should be made clear that humans have been given "Islam," as guidance, for life here on earth, as we are beings [cont]
if everything is created by something then Gods must be created by something, unless we are to except the argument for us and the rest of the universe and deny it makes sense for God. therefore it is not a logical argument
all can be said a man made unless it proves the opposite, which is what ONLY islam does. coz its simply, ONE God, ONE human Specie, so simply one religon/way to God, so only one is true & thus one should see with open eyes & mind where the truth is, read what this & that say and then judge for yourself.
see the signs that each say, for example the scientific facts that islam told thru the Quran/Sunnah over 1400 years ago & that all is true or still "uncertain" of them. so just seek the turth.
That's interesting - I suppose that is a valid point. Whatever the truth is, it exists independently of whether we acknowledge it or accept it (based on our own methodology of finding it - which we can't with reason alone - as all of our intial premises, presuppositions, and conclusions are greatly affected by culture, conditioning of society, environment, even genetics etc).
Prime mover argument? Look, science doesn't know, but to say that god has been there forever doesn't solve "what created god?" and so you still don't solve the problem. Saying god has always existed means that god has existed for an infinite amount of time, and since an infinite amount of time has not passed, god cannot exist.
god does exist because he created time aswell he is uncreated so god can exisist now u give me the answer where did we come from the first thing and how?
How can you demonstrate that the "cause" or "sustainer" of this current configeration of the universe, is indeed something "personal?" It's obvious that this universe is finite and limited, and dependent upon something absolute, timeless etc. But would not the act of creation by God, qualify as a "change," and thus validate the presence of time? Show me that this cause is something we can truely call "God," and not a set of pre-existing conditions. The Wave Function explains why this universe
exists. Note, I am indeed a Muslim, however, it is very important for us to play Devils advocate and question our beliefs - to argue with ourselves and our construed answers and understandings.
you are using a contreversial logic, why would science deny something coz they dont know the answer??
tell me why there is no implosion when the laws of nature say gravity, while the universe is expanding.
the simple science of gravity say everythign has attraction to the other things "objects" so why there is no "implosion" & just now they say universe is expanding which is tottal contradtction of the laws of science.
btw, the Quran states it clear that the universe/cosmos is expanding.
How stupid I am?? Tard, I outshine you intellectually, based only on your judgement.
Because I'm so much more intelligent and self-aware and intuitive and brilliant and great and awesome and super :)
You wishful thinking poor idiot. Grow up. Theere is no such thing as gods, are neither is there a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Poor wishful thinking tard. How weak you are - you don't have the emotional or intellectual strenght to face life without your delusionary cruth.
where is an act of goodness on gods part when he let innocent live be taken away from by war,diseases,and being victimized by his own creation(man)???? what good comes out of bereaved mohters,fathers,sisters,brothers and loved ones who suffer the loss of loved ones way before their time????? good luck answering!!
the logic is this and it is very simple , Did you create your self ? no you where created correct ? well ig you go to the mall and you buy a puppy you can do with it what ever you want correct ? so what your saying is you would rather God make this world perfect what would be point of that ? why have a heaven or a hell ? every one will taste death so that means that every one is treated the same .
I appreciate your honest reply,but I have to be honest with you also by saying that your logic is not acceptable by a sane adult-children for sure!!!!:)
It's quite ridiculous when religious believers claim what and how Atheists argue. I, as an Athiest, wouldn't say that if evil exists then God created it, so he must be evil, or alternatively if God didn't create evil, he is not all powerful and therefore not God. This although seems logical, isn't logically sound.
Something from nothing occurs continually in the quantum universe. Common sense tells you that the earth is flat and is the centre of the universe. So common sense is not particularly reliable.
Evil has to exist for freewill to exist. Evil is going against Gods command and good is accepting and practicing God's commands. There are two paths in life, the path we should take and the path we should avoid. Evil lies only if you take the path you should of avoided out of your freewill. Thanks for the feedback.
if god is omniscient (all-knowing) than She would know everything, including if we are good or evil so there should not be any need for 'tests'. Why did god insist that Abraham kill his son? to see if Abrahams love for god was so great that he would be willing to act cruelly towards his family? How divine and superior is a god which acts as human as a jealous lover?
the concept of test is so easy to understand: a teacher (human being) oblivious of the consequence can test you NOT an omniscient!!! it is a nonsense defence against god>>>
Allah doe not find him self bound in time space and matter. So to say where Allah came from is illogical because coming from or gong too is what Allah created. Every thing is bound in time, space, and matter but Allah becasue he created time, space, and matter.
Why do you keep putting human attributes to god? For God to worry that would mean that God is unsure. God is never unsure let alone does he ever worry. The only way you can give a characteristic to God is if God tells you some of his characteristics.
Allah doe not find him self bound in time space and matter. So to say where Allah came from is illogical because coming from or gong too is what Allah created. Every thing is bound in time, space, and matter but Allah becasue he created time, space, and matter.
^the only alternative is that something came from nothing. Either something came from something (call it the source of life if you want, you dont have to use the word "God"), or something came from nothing. If you have other alternatives, Cape, feel free to present them.
you see his entire argument works UNTIL he gets to the point where something cannot be self created EXCEPT for god. Sadly, his logic then implodes. saying "uncreated" doesn't get you out of the logical paradox he creates for himself.
do you agree creators have to terminate somewhere? or you're saying it continues to infinite, which again means creation would never take place. but you and i exist right.
you miss the point. The FACT is we have no idea what the conditions were at the beginning of space time or if anything came before it. We don't know yet. But that does not make a god the answer by default.
Moreover, to declare a creator is uncreated is simply illogical.
uh, did you miss what I posted? We don't know. And there is no shame in saying that.
The evidence points toward the Big Bang singularity, but we do not know how it happened, or what, if anything came before. We don't know.
But that does not make god or Allah the default answer because you are left with the problem I noted above: where does god come from. And if god is uncreated, why cannot the universe be?
it clearly points to you that there is a creator, but at the same time it's a trial for those like you, because your religion/believe is matter/beeing sure that there cannot be anything you cannot understand through reason.
CapeandCowdung, Creator cannot be created...He is everlasting - no beginning nor end. The universe on the other hand existed from a singular mass ... thus it is a creation which has beginning and definitely an end. God Almighty is the creator of everything...even time is his creation...thus your argument about God getting created is useless when God himself created time. Get it? Before the big bang...there was no time, thus God exist independant of time (his creation).
before the big bang there was no time? Really? How do you know this? Upon what evidence to you draw to claim definitively as you do, that there was nothing before?
Sound to me like you are making definitive claims about things without a shred of evidence, and then say "god did it." Poor logic and poor reasoning.
I studied Physics and I love Theoretical Physics...perhaps you too can benefit from such courses. Try read Stephen Hawkings' books for a start...let your imagination soars. Have you heard about a black hole...not your hairy asshole...but black hole...a matter so dense even light cannot escape it...since we usually use light to measure time and distance (cosmic), a black hole is a good example where time stood still...is it to difficult to see that the creator created time as well?
uh, a black hole does not "stop" time, so you might want to review your physics. This also has no bearing on existence of a creator.
And again, you are simply making declarations without evidence. "God did it". Further, you declare that god must be uncreated....which logically means the universe can be as well.
In essence, you are just making religious declarations divorced from evidence.
CapeandCow, no thanks...I know my Physics very well...For an outside observer..time stood still in the black hole...cause light got trapped there...well...I can understand if don't get it...not everyone "equipped" to understand theoretical Physics.
God is simply the Supreme Being that created everything else...the whole universe is the testimony of his infinite power and wisdom, for people who understand.
BTW, Theoretical Physics theories come first, the hard evidence come later. Got it?
I "get it", but your attempt to apply relativity to god is pretty weak.
I also find your last statement amusing because every theory in physics has the evidence to back it up, otherwise it would not be a theory - something you should understand.
What you have is, at best, a "god hypothesis." And all your evidence is simply declarations of faith.
No, Theoretical Physics are purely theories...the evidence can come sooner or later or never...The Physicists can live without evidence. The theory of Black Hole came years before the discovery of Black Holes. The theory of Black Matters existed years before they found Black Matters.
We humans need God and never the other way around. If you ever read Al Quran...you will understand what I meant by a Manual given by God to humans.
uh huh. A black hole was a mathematical construct predicted by theory. But that didn't make it true until they were discovered. Sorry mate, you are still shooting blanks and making religious declarations. I have no idea why you keep ducking this simple fact.
Humans need god..blahblah blah...what you are doing is saying we need a crutch.
In terms of evidence, the Koran, the Bible, the Torah...its all the same. Religious texts with no evidence.
Since you obviously even denied the Theoretical Physics presented to you in a simple layman term...then, let me tell you that in Al Quran...you can find embriology...development of foetus...a science that only exist the last century.
Anyhow, my friend...I am just a messenger...you may open your mind or just close it...I don't give a damn...however, I believe you have an inquisitive mind...use it well...may God guide you or condemn you as He please.
Did I say that you are condemned for asking questions? You ay take comfort in what God says in Al Quran...he is the one deciding who will get his guidance...no offence but God choose you not the other way around. However, you may ask for his guidance if He so will.
Sorry man, but given the capricious cruelty of Allah (along with the god of the Torah and the bible) if such a creature existed, it would have to be opposed on basic moral and ethical grounds.
I find far too much wrong with all three Abrahamic faiths to seek any sort of "guidance" from them.
If you refuse to believe in God...no problem...you still can be a "positive thinker"...finding goodness in everything...some may be better than the other but good nonetheless...I'm a practicing positive thinker...most of the times.
BTW, the positive aspects of Islam are astounding...just imagine over a Billion of people never drink alcohol or get high on drugs. Muslims are prohibited from being racist...most abide. I love Islam so very much...thank God for giving us all a manual to live by.
There are great truths in all religions. And that is very telling. It demonstrates, I think, they are HUMAN truths. Truths we share as a species. And the vagaries and alterations of those truths show us that we invented them, and grapple with them still.
Being a positive thinker is indeed a good thing to do. I too try to be that way...most of the times! lol.
This argument is deeply flawed. This is a false dilemma. Christianity tries to use the same faulty reasoning.
mikemfd232 3 months ago
"...The Big Bang was not the beginning. It was only a refreshing. A reorganizing..."
how do we get order from and explosion??!!
liquidus2172 5 months ago
@liquidus2172
The Big Bang was not an "explosion".
Rather, it was the rapid expansion of space & time.
IslamNotMuslims 3 months ago
@IslamNotMuslims ok!
liquidus2172 3 months ago
"un-created" i am sure you think you are wise and the other retards in the room with you do too. but sadly your circular logic is not impressive to any one with a clue. all matter in the universe reduces down to a single point "big bang" then expands. if someone created it, it would just be. not small and grow larger. you are fucking stupid! And if your god is soo good and his "design" is soo good why do you need doctors? idiot!
quatroflit 9 months ago
@quatroflit Everything that exists must have a beginning. The universe exists, and the big bang is its beginning. Have you asked yourself what caused the big bang? Think! Don't tell this man he has no clue when it is you who is really blind, like all atheists, and I've been one myself the bigger part of my life. It takes a spark to have one's mind enlightened, like it took a spark to get that big bang going. Think a bit more about the concept of infinity...it has no place in our reality.
swissophie 9 months ago
@swissophie You make an assumption that everything needs a beginning. Says who? The Big Bang was not the beginning. It was only a refreshing. A reorganizing. You can neither create nor destroy matter. So as far as we know the universe has simply always existed.
Only a simple mind cannot accept this possibility. It is not illogical. It is reality. You are standing on a circle guessing where it starts.
By your logic, if your God exists, then something had to have created him.
LlamamanFilms 5 months ago
@quatroflit Oh, and who says we need doctors? Fact is that where there are less doctors, people are living healthier lives. Allopathic medicine kills 780,000 people per year in the US alone! But I know you're asking about why evil exists...I think Dr. Philips explains it really well, but a closed mind seems to have no chance of understanding the message. God gave humans free will, and evil comes from humans choosing not to live by divine laws.
swissophie 9 months ago
@quatroflit Without evil God's plan of putting souls in this world to test them would not make sense, and His creation would have been pointless. If He would have created us all angels, we would not have gotten the chance to grow spiritually and experience all the exhilarating feats that come with it. Pray to God you will receive a spark!
swissophie 9 months ago
@quatroflit
Funny how you speak of logic when half of your reply is full of swear words and illogical arguments that a kid would refer to in a street level debate.
- what caused the big bang? In order for it to happen, there must be a trigger. Who enabled this trigger?
- you need a doctor because the physical laws of nature requires treatment for illnesses and wounds that result from the environment around us.
I dare you to watch this video: watch?v=NRNGK-gMmsE
ShamsherKhan82 5 months ago
false dilemma wololololo
draon16 1 year ago
Obfuscating rhetoric. He needs to learn more. There are no shortcuts to knowledge or wisdom. Certainly not in some old moth eaten book of creation mythologies like the Quran or the bible whose fabric is full of holes. He miss applies Zeno's paradox and fails to mention Epicurus whose argument he attempts to refute. He's a mumbo jumboist of the Islamic variety.Fancy wasting your life studying and experimenting within the tool of theory and empiricism when all you need is to read the Quran!
CorporalNym 1 year ago
There was something before the big bang, and its definitely not god. If a new planet system naturally came into order by random chance over long periods of time, no one would call it a product of God, so why should we call God a creator of the universe?
MechanicV8 1 year ago
The breaking glass and the Hurricane in a junk yard are what are known as 'straw man' arguments. Einstein, Hawking, Feynman, etc. - do you really think that they would say that a hurricane could assemble a Mercedes?! No. For Mr Philips to use such an argument suggests his intention is to deceive - no one who can cite Plato and claims the right to the title 'Dr' in front of his name can be absolved on the grounds of ignorance.
kelco93 1 year ago
Ah, the old 'common sense' argument which degenerates into nonsense. Actually, though it seems counter-intuitive, the best explanation (which really is logical) is that the universe arose from nothing and that's the only way that makes sense. Google 'Lawrence Kraus a universe from nothing' the logic requires a little intelligence (and maybe high school science) to follow but it is presented beautifully.
kelco93 1 year ago
If you assert that 'nothing cannot produce something' and nothing can be 'infinite' how can you say a creator exits who must either be infinite or have come from nothing? Mr Philips' argument is based on Plato, Aquinas, etc. and is a poorly obfuscated circular argument. It relies on accepting 'common sense' explanations in a field where very little is 'common sense' or intuitive and it uses a subtle sidestep of reason with the introduction of the meaningless term "uncreated"...
kelco93 1 year ago 2
worship Mithras and the woodland elves! join the Gnomeocrasy !
paulspydar 1 year ago
doing nothing can sometimes produce ideas
i also have a question if god wasn't created then where did he come from.
also i do not find god to be good as you put it i find him very evil so all those chieldren who starve to death each year is for a something greater and i could keep on finding things like that i have been thingking and yes i think god is very evil
pailmaster 1 year ago
nothing can produce something
atheistATTACK 1 year ago
at first i was like "wait.. but if we needed to have been created, then what about god?" but then you were like "yeah but god wasn't created, you see.. we MUST have been created, but god doesn't need to have been created" and then i was like "yeah that makes perfect sense and is not special pleading at all. cos obviously we must have been created, cos here we are.. but god doesn't exist, so he is uncreated.. wait.. wut?"
how can a god exist without being created, but a universe can't?
PurushadasaTotalFAIL 1 year ago
plyz made for ass 1 small service ... go to allah or gad .fast end tell him to cam fast!
go now .....!
publicu 1 year ago
Then Allah can also cannot be created or exist from nothing! common sense again.
dheer1231 1 year ago
@dheer1231 The One who created us, has to be uncreated, and not self-created. If He was part of the creation system, He would need someone to create Him, and the cycle would continue to no end, disproving both atheist(on the basis of what the Dr. mentioned) and theist theories.
liban246 1 year ago
@liban246 Ha ha either which ways u cannot proove it nor can u make ppl of other faith believe this.SO forget it.Its called dilusion.
dheer1231 1 year ago
Even if one accepts the first premise, that there is something which didn't need a creator, you still would have to proof that this something is your god or even something that would be called god. The next thing is, why can't the universe not be the thing that didn't need a creator, you simply shift the question to an answer that suits your belief. At this point in time we only can say "we don't know", there are hypothesis but nothing more.
Iritas1985 1 year ago
To simply get away from the question "Where did god come from" you say he was uncreated and say not to ask that question? That is not logical, that's ignoring the question all together. You have proven yourself wrong without even realizing it. If nothing cannot create something, and god is something, then something had to have created him...this is what you said. And now, who created that creator? it goes on infinitely...meaning we would have never made it here in time.Plato said that
UnoWHO22188 1 year ago
Ok, let's agree that no thing cannot produce 'something', so god had to be created by 'something'. common sense tells you!
rickeldred 1 year ago
religion i logic for idiots and the LAZY. listen to this guy, I don't think he believes it himself.
rickeldred 1 year ago
@rickeldred Oh yes, he does. And so do I !
amuslima99 1 year ago
This guys is an idiot. Much like some many other people believing in this (or any other ) religion.
z3my4l 1 year ago
So the eruption of a volcano or an earthquake is equivalent is "God's medicine" that he is "injecting"?
Take a look at "Candide": youtube. com / watch?v=OtRbK_BmDok
Pepar1000 1 year ago
yes, but NO THING cannot exist, so there always has to be SOMETHING
666cccccc 1 year ago
The assumption that things must come from somewhere is illogical.
planetofthescums 1 year ago
@planetofthescums IoI think a bout it agian,u ll find that what u r saying is ILLOGICAL.
elnasser40 1 year ago
@elnasser40 Show me the flaw in my logic.
planetofthescums 1 year ago
@planetofthescums . Isn't it possible that things have always existed without beginning or ending?
Believing something came from nothing is illogical in this theory that things were never out of existence, that things always existed. It is difficult, I think, to accept this as logical, but I would not count it out completely.
If things always existed, then the big bang is simply another cycle, where the record is wiped clean and the universe begins anew.
planetofthescums 1 year ago
@planetofthescums no,i think things has to have a begening&an end,but that dose not mean that it came out of nothing,i personaly doubt that an explosion(the big bang) with out a desighner can produce order,like what dr bilal philips,can u imagine droping an atomic bomb over a junk yard can realy produce a car that is runing&good to go,even if u try it millions of millions of times,the chances is stil zero,how ever the big bang is mentioned by the almighty God,allah,in the quran,but done by him
elnasser40 1 year ago
@elnasser40 Science denies no observation of nature. I surmise the big bang theory could be wrong, because it is difficult to observe the evidence, that things travel away from some origin.
It also has a weak premise, that things must have begun somehow. Why would we assume this?
Evolution is a much stronger theory, for example, since we see the strong survive, things adapt, the environment change. Also observing the mind through the lens of evolution explains phobias and other idiocy.
planetofthescums 1 year ago
@planetofthescums Wether or not evolution began at a certain point, or what is the goal of evolution is another issue. I think a much more philosophical one perhaps, since evidence this old surely has vanished forever.
Any evidence of God creating people for a purpose greater than the purpose for which he created animals is fictitious. The idea behind religion in general, as I take it, is a way of guiding people forward. Quite frankly, parts of religion have a tendency to draw people back.
planetofthescums 1 year ago
@planetofthescums with all respect,but when u say ur self things COME ,then logicly they had to COME from something,and somewhere,and if that something or somewhere did not exsit,would not bring THINGS,but it did,so it had to come from somthing or somewhere,or no?agian,with all respect,but i am just wondering.
elnasser40 1 year ago
1. Why does the Quran make slavery lawful?
2. Why does the Qur'an contain so many identical stories that are found in Jewish midrashes, Christian Apocrypha and Arabian folklore?
3. Why if Qur'an is so complete is there so many hadiths, and tafsir of Qur'an that one needs to use in order to fully understand Qur'an?
4. Why was Mohammed almost 50 and married to and having sex with a 9 year old Aisha?
therighteousdeal 1 year ago
@therighteousdeal 1.Mohhammad Freed slaves you may misunderstand the term slave always isnt like a master with a whip slashing some1
2.it was a revelation following the torah, the gospel
3.the hadiths are to study mannerisms of the prophet PBUH QuR'an is a revelation from God some things may be symbolic or literal
4.this time it was totally different with the age requirements & law & the society was different remember different times different lifestyles
potentcokaine 1 year ago
@potentcokaine Mohammed freed SOME of his slaves and kept others had sex with many of the females ones. I don't misunderstand anything 'abd" is the term used
The time doesn't matter. A 9yr old then is developmetally the same as a 9yr old today. If mohammed was truly from God he should have transcended time and not did what everyone else did during that time. Your justification helps to prove that he wasn't divine just another man.
therighteousdeal 1 year ago
@therighteousdeal he never had slaves he did what he could to buy slaves from owners only to free them not to have them work for him he was poor but with all his followers he found away to do so & at this time it was a disgrace to have a child that was a girl so often times they killed the girl unless they could marry her early so he being the caring man he took on that burdon wich turned to a blessing he loved his wife no matter what age age is just a number she was dear to him & he to her
potentcokaine 1 year ago
@potentcokaine
Sahih Muslim, Book 10, Number 3901:
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
There came a slave and pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle on migration; he (the Prophet) did not know that he was a slave. Then there came his master and demanded him back, whereupon Allah's Apostle said: Sell him to me. And he bought him for two black slaves, and he did not afterwards take allegiance from anyone until he had asked him whether he was a slave (or a free man).
therighteousdeal 1 year ago
@potentcokaine
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 182:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
therighteousdeal 1 year ago
@therighteousdeal
@potentcokaine
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 182:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle was on a journey and he had a black slave called Anjasha, and he was driving the camels (very fast, and there were women riding on those camels). Allah's Apostle said, "Waihaka (May Allah be merciful to you), O Anjasha! Drive slowly (the camels) with the glass vessels (women)!"
therighteousdeal 1 year ago
It is so obvious he leaves it's out, what a bogus statement. When it's not there, then suddenly it was 'too obvious', fantastic.
Do know that science does not say that we can understand it all, we work within a system and try to understand (yet we might fail indeed). So, your 'out of nothing' could simply be: quite complex to explain.
Btw, the world cannot create itself, but God can be timeless. This is great, so you use an argument that you just refused to apply to the world. Convenient :)
dakodar 1 year ago
He has clever arguments that appear sound on the surface, however the arguments are deeply flawed. The speaker Dawa simply states that God was uncreated, and outside the system of creation. So everything has to spring from this creator, because you cannot make something out of nothing and you cannot create yourself. However, out of nothing somehow God is supposed to have come. So to explain creation he needs to make a big exception for God to be able to begin.
StevenMorello 1 year ago
This is hilarious. His OWN arguement become's negated by its own illogical statements. His first point is deemed illogical (per his standards) by his third point. Very poor reasoning skills.
zackersquackers 1 year ago
Another brainwashed "sheep" in the video. Have a shave, take a bath and stop believing in blatant fiction you CUNT.
jbarks10 2 years ago
@jbarks10 your arrogant and stupid and you'll regret everything... p.s real practicing muslims are very clean in order to worship allah, so if u dont wanna believe then dont comment please its disrespectful even if ur an athiest
trkishdelight123 1 year ago
Oh, please. Anything found in the Qur'an cannot be deemed "logical".
Abbytater 2 years ago
Theres nothing spiritual about it. Probably happens all over the universe. Life wasnt formed from nothing the ingredients in the primordial soup were all there.
aristopus 2 years ago
The problem I have with the argument against creation from nothing is that it demands a creation out of G-d--but the Muslim belief is that G-d is different in Kind to His creation--and therefore to make creation from Himself would be to make himself emanent and therefore existentially pantheistic.
ElderOfTzion 2 years ago
@ElderOfziyon "Kun fayakun." Allah says "Be" and it is. The laws that apply to us do not apply to the Almighty. Such is the magnitude of the power of Allah. Hope this helps. Just pray to God sincerely that "if you are there please guide me". If you are sincere in your heart then Allah will guide you Inshallah.
robeau23 2 years ago
Muslim Brothers and sisters. Don't bother replying to people who post anti Islamic comments. you wont convince them of the good in Islam. They seek these videos out simply to attack us. If it makes them feel better why should it concern us? Save you preaching for people with a genuine interest in learning about Islam.
Izbjeci 2 years ago
agreed
akbermoh 2 years ago
Bismillah.100% agreed with you. Save your breath. They did not want to enjoy the paradise. They prefer the narr, so let them be. The truth is they are not bless with iman as simple as that.
smilecheeseklik 2 years ago
RightthereonEarth and electronicasam, what religion are you two? I've been reading your arguments for a while but can't even put a finger on it
Urbanfire123 2 years ago
What a load of waffle
JtheBs 2 years ago
How was it waffle? It made perfect, logical sense. If it was waffle, then his claims would be illogical/contradictory or paradoxical. Tell me which part represents an inconsistency? The only reason someone will make this type of statement without a justification is because he/she isn't willing to accept the truth, or, does not have the intellectual ability to understand what is being said. In this case, the second one is ruled out because the man speaks in a very clear, concise & direct voice
Urbanfire123 2 years ago
@Urbanfire123
first argument is illogical because he make the fallacious argument of limited choices
created from nothing created itself, or was created. life is not a multiple choose question.
hustlershark 2 years ago
Shoot Creationists In the FACE.
graphattic 2 years ago
Why act like an ignorant redneck? Provide constructive criticism if you wish, but comments like these will only elicit aggressive responses. Do you enjoy polarizing people with different morals and ways of life out of pure hatred? Because these are the usual motivations for making comments that are controversially antagonistic to the general theme of the video
Urbanfire123 2 years ago
No point talking to idiots with unfalsifiable claims, just shoot them, before it's too late
graphattic 2 years ago
Listen, when you say the earth is the center of the universe, and believe in holy books, death is the best, you get to go to Heaven, hahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAH
graphattic 2 years ago
Here are a few quotes for you:
Belief means not wanting to know what is true.- Nietzsche
...it seems I am wiser than he is to this small extent, that I do not think that I know what I do not know.-Socrates
Crimestop means the faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought...Crimestop, in short, means protective stupidity.- George Orwell
Welcome to 1984 electronicasam.
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
Hi electronicasam, I have tried to respond to every claim and critique of yours but so far all you have done is cast insults and refused to clarify or explain YOUR statements.
Also, I did answer your questions. You can confirm them in 2 seconds on google or in any kids science book.
Also hypocrites and liars are different.
Hypocrites are deluded to a point that they cant see how their own actions are at complete odds with their stated intent. Liars intentionally mislead. So which are you?
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
Hypocrite. You seem to base this conclusion as you do all your other ones, without evidence.
1: Please define/describe the soul to me, w/weight and size if you know.
2: Atom=Nucleus w/negatively charged electron field, 99.99%empty w/no static shape.
3: Electricity is measured in volts, amps and watts.
4: Oxygen looks like this O-O, and has an atomic weight of 15.9994
5: If Allah is beyond imagination how can you even concieve of him?
TF whatever conception you have of Allah, isn't Allah.
LoveYa
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
I am fully accountable to the truth, electronicasam, but never to myth or fallacy. You seem to agree that Allah isn't infinite, since according to you he has a weight. A things weight can be determined only relative to something else. What is this 'else' that Allah is by your understanding not a part of?
If you are saying Allah isn't everything, then hes not infinite, meaning he is therefore subject to the all the laws of existince as every"thing" else.
Is this what you want to say about Allah?
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
Also, if Allah isn't part of the created system, as stated above, then he isn't infinite, he is finite. It can only be one or the other. And if he is finite, then he is necesarilly bound by the rules of nature as all other 'existing' things, which means he will have a begining, a middle, and an end.
Last, using Abu's kid concept of Allah. If a result is different than Allah's intent, Allah isn't Omniscient or Omnipowerful, he's just giving it his best shot like everyone else. Tough break Allah.
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
Allah's 2 propositions constitute a false dichotomy that is meant to mislead one into accepting the false conclusion as presented above. In other words, the conclusion is baseless because there are more options than the 2 presented. For example:
Yes something must come from something (which is a logical understanding, not a commonsensical one) and life did. It came from this very Earth, just as everything we experience around us (on Earth) did and does. All evidence points to this option.
RighthereonEarth 2 years ago
This guy is a retard.
JeeXSM 2 years ago
What are you? An atheist? Sorry, I can understand your confusion. Be muslim and you will be free from confusion
UseYourSkull 2 years ago
No, the Quran doens't provide the answers. I know a lot of Muslims, and I've read the Quran and i am not conviced.
I'm not an atheist, i simply don't know what the story is.
What I do know is that religion, in the form that is known to people, totally misses the point. Religion makes people believe that the people are the centre. While humans are just part of a big universe in which humans are nothing special next to everything else.
The human race is arrogant.
Religion makes people blind.
JeeXSM 2 years ago
Greetings,
You have a valid point that certain religions, if not the majority entail a mindset (of the adherent), underwhich they presuppose that they truely are "special." However, if you truly have read the Qur'an, you would be aware that Islam does not maintain that humans are anything special compared to this universe. Firstly, I maintain that the Omniverse IS God. It should be made clear that humans have been given "Islam," as guidance, for life here on earth, as we are beings [cont]
ManifestationOfTruth 2 years ago
if everything is created by something then Gods must be created by something, unless we are to except the argument for us and the rest of the universe and deny it makes sense for God. therefore it is not a logical argument
jeffer0326 3 years ago
A God that creates the concepts of a" beginning" and an end, or creation would be outside the confines of such concepts.
karimkwame 2 years ago
hey buddy, no body knows the truth , and there you too,its all men made philosophy.
truth doesnt need any proof from you or me
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
What an easy escape from reality! Be man enough.
UseYourSkull 2 years ago
all can be said a man made unless it proves the opposite, which is what ONLY islam does. coz its simply, ONE God, ONE human Specie, so simply one religon/way to God, so only one is true & thus one should see with open eyes & mind where the truth is, read what this & that say and then judge for yourself.
see the signs that each say, for example the scientific facts that islam told thru the Quran/Sunnah over 1400 years ago & that all is true or still "uncertain" of them. so just seek the turth.
alhanounn 2 years ago
That's interesting - I suppose that is a valid point. Whatever the truth is, it exists independently of whether we acknowledge it or accept it (based on our own methodology of finding it - which we can't with reason alone - as all of our intial premises, presuppositions, and conclusions are greatly affected by culture, conditioning of society, environment, even genetics etc).
ManifestationOfTruth 2 years ago
Prime mover argument? Look, science doesn't know, but to say that god has been there forever doesn't solve "what created god?" and so you still don't solve the problem. Saying god has always existed means that god has existed for an infinite amount of time, and since an infinite amount of time has not passed, god cannot exist.
raywaldo06 3 years ago
god does exist because he created time aswell he is uncreated so god can exisist now u give me the answer where did we come from the first thing and how?
escodo 3 years ago
How can you demonstrate that the "cause" or "sustainer" of this current configeration of the universe, is indeed something "personal?" It's obvious that this universe is finite and limited, and dependent upon something absolute, timeless etc. But would not the act of creation by God, qualify as a "change," and thus validate the presence of time? Show me that this cause is something we can truely call "God," and not a set of pre-existing conditions. The Wave Function explains why this universe
ManifestationOfTruth 2 years ago
exists. Note, I am indeed a Muslim, however, it is very important for us to play Devils advocate and question our beliefs - to argue with ourselves and our construed answers and understandings.
ManifestationOfTruth 2 years ago
you are using a contreversial logic, why would science deny something coz they dont know the answer??
tell me why there is no implosion when the laws of nature say gravity, while the universe is expanding.
the simple science of gravity say everythign has attraction to the other things "objects" so why there is no "implosion" & just now they say universe is expanding which is tottal contradtction of the laws of science.
btw, the Quran states it clear that the universe/cosmos is expanding.
alhanounn 2 years ago
In this universe something cannot be created from nothing, but whatever caused the big bang was not in this universe
Fruubs 3 years ago
Yes, and God is not in this universe, right? ;)
murisurena 3 years ago
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Another deluded primate. Very sad. What a waste.
Iambecome 3 years ago
lol, how stupid you are
so smarty, why don't you refute his arguments?
murisurena 3 years ago
How stupid I am?? Tard, I outshine you intellectually, based only on your judgement.
Because I'm so much more intelligent and self-aware and intuitive and brilliant and great and awesome and super :)
You wishful thinking poor idiot. Grow up. Theere is no such thing as gods, are neither is there a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Poor wishful thinking tard. How weak you are - you don't have the emotional or intellectual strenght to face life without your delusionary cruth.
Iambecome 3 years ago
and still, why didn't you refute his arguments?
sorry, you are stupid =) and a bigot
thanks for proving it ;) <3
murisurena 3 years ago
It would be like explaining something to an obtuse child - patience-consuming. God is a figment of our imaginations
Iambecome 3 years ago
face it: you are dumb and you can not refute his comments
and also you are a bigot and your claims are baseless, else you could refute his arguments
murisurena 3 years ago
no ur dumb na na na na na
Iambecome 3 years ago
noooo, but you are dumb, dummy ;) <3
murisurena 3 years ago
Please answer this question with"some" logic.
where is an act of goodness on gods part when he let innocent live be taken away from by war,diseases,and being victimized by his own creation(man)???? what good comes out of bereaved mohters,fathers,sisters,brothers and loved ones who suffer the loss of loved ones way before their time????? good luck answering!!
HumbleMoe 3 years ago
the logic is this and it is very simple , Did you create your self ? no you where created correct ? well ig you go to the mall and you buy a puppy you can do with it what ever you want correct ? so what your saying is you would rather God make this world perfect what would be point of that ? why have a heaven or a hell ? every one will taste death so that means that every one is treated the same .
muhaymin501 3 years ago
I appreciate your honest reply,but I have to be honest with you also by saying that your logic is not acceptable by a sane adult-children for sure!!!!:)
Thanks anyway...
enusenuf 3 years ago
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murisurena 3 years ago
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murisurena 3 years ago
Your logic does not stand.
Your premisses are not sound, in every argument you present.
Your presummed logic here, is silly talk.
cgo11 3 years ago
This man is utterly deluded
AlUzzah 3 years ago
It's quite ridiculous when religious believers claim what and how Atheists argue. I, as an Athiest, wouldn't say that if evil exists then God created it, so he must be evil, or alternatively if God didn't create evil, he is not all powerful and therefore not God. This although seems logical, isn't logically sound.
Iyse 3 years ago 2
Common sense tells Allah is also not self created !!!!
We are uncreated
We are creeated from our selves
Just like Allah is eternal existing
Man is also ever existing
johnmiller22 3 years ago
Something from nothing occurs continually in the quantum universe. Common sense tells you that the earth is flat and is the centre of the universe. So common sense is not particularly reliable.
davewatcher 3 years ago
oversimplification and rhetoric. Advances no real truth.
eire138 3 years ago
Evil is a lack of Good. If we go against God than we become Evil.God created every thing good. We as humans create Evil when we reject God.
iceo540 3 years ago
And terrorist are also the nobel cration
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
If we 'create' evil and god is responsible for 'creating' "us", than god is still essentially responsible for the existence of evil
willwkrueger 3 years ago
Evil has to exist for freewill to exist. Evil is going against Gods command and good is accepting and practicing God's commands. There are two paths in life, the path we should take and the path we should avoid. Evil lies only if you take the path you should of avoided out of your freewill. Thanks for the feedback.
iceo540 3 years ago
god gave us the choses as a test
ibrahimayad 3 years ago
if god is omniscient (all-knowing) than She would know everything, including if we are good or evil so there should not be any need for 'tests'. Why did god insist that Abraham kill his son? to see if Abrahams love for god was so great that he would be willing to act cruelly towards his family? How divine and superior is a god which acts as human as a jealous lover?
willwkrueger 3 years ago
the concept of test is so easy to understand: a teacher (human being) oblivious of the consequence can test you NOT an omniscient!!! it is a nonsense defence against god>>>
HumbleMoe 3 years ago
Allah doe not find him self bound in time space and matter. So to say where Allah came from is illogical because coming from or gong too is what Allah created. Every thing is bound in time, space, and matter but Allah becasue he created time, space, and matter.
iceo540 3 years ago
Then why He is somuch worried about,worry shows boundation,He is bound.
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
Why do you keep putting human attributes to god? For God to worry that would mean that God is unsure. God is never unsure let alone does he ever worry. The only way you can give a characteristic to God is if God tells you some of his characteristics.
iceo540 3 years ago
and what they are dooing on the Name of God
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
Anyway, was Allah sleeping before the creation
of this Universe?
Any idea what triggered him to create(?) US?
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
Can you get something out of nothing?
Can you create yourself?
Apply these questions on Allah himself.. and
he too will sound illogical
sighsatyendra 3 years ago
Allah doe not find him self bound in time space and matter. So to say where Allah came from is illogical because coming from or gong too is what Allah created. Every thing is bound in time, space, and matter but Allah becasue he created time, space, and matter.
iceo540 3 years ago
well allah creates, so the actual process is subject to time and space
C0wbiFunk 3 years ago
The arguments that people without a physics background make are funny.
Aaya35 4 years ago
Which part is funny, Sir Aaya?
alphamain 4 years ago
^the only alternative is that something came from nothing. Either something came from something (call it the source of life if you want, you dont have to use the word "God"), or something came from nothing. If you have other alternatives, Cape, feel free to present them.
Bez29 4 years ago
Uncreated? whatever
fredapconsult 4 years ago
you see his entire argument works UNTIL he gets to the point where something cannot be self created EXCEPT for god. Sadly, his logic then implodes. saying "uncreated" doesn't get you out of the logical paradox he creates for himself.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
so, what's your logical argument.?
do you agree creators have to terminate somewhere? or you're saying it continues to infinite, which again means creation would never take place. but you and i exist right.
HSLman 4 years ago
you miss the point. The FACT is we have no idea what the conditions were at the beginning of space time or if anything came before it. We don't know yet. But that does not make a god the answer by default.
Moreover, to declare a creator is uncreated is simply illogical.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
CapeandCowl WHAT IS THE BEGINING WHERE DOES BEGINING COMES FROM AND HOW DO WE KNOW THERE WAS SOME THING ECT.
Tothose 4 years ago
uh, did you miss what I posted? We don't know. And there is no shame in saying that.
The evidence points toward the Big Bang singularity, but we do not know how it happened, or what, if anything came before. We don't know.
But that does not make god or Allah the default answer because you are left with the problem I noted above: where does god come from. And if god is uncreated, why cannot the universe be?
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
it clearly points to you that there is a creator, but at the same time it's a trial for those like you, because your religion/believe is matter/beeing sure that there cannot be anything you cannot understand through reason.
BosKrajina 4 years ago
it does not clearly point to me that there is a creator at all. Nor do I have a religion.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
CapeandCowdung, Creator cannot be created...He is everlasting - no beginning nor end. The universe on the other hand existed from a singular mass ... thus it is a creation which has beginning and definitely an end. God Almighty is the creator of everything...even time is his creation...thus your argument about God getting created is useless when God himself created time. Get it? Before the big bang...there was no time, thus God exist independant of time (his creation).
alphamain 4 years ago
before the big bang there was no time? Really? How do you know this? Upon what evidence to you draw to claim definitively as you do, that there was nothing before?
Sound to me like you are making definitive claims about things without a shred of evidence, and then say "god did it." Poor logic and poor reasoning.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
I studied Physics and I love Theoretical Physics...perhaps you too can benefit from such courses. Try read Stephen Hawkings' books for a start...let your imagination soars. Have you heard about a black hole...not your hairy asshole...but black hole...a matter so dense even light cannot escape it...since we usually use light to measure time and distance (cosmic), a black hole is a good example where time stood still...is it to difficult to see that the creator created time as well?
alphamain 4 years ago
uh, a black hole does not "stop" time, so you might want to review your physics. This also has no bearing on existence of a creator.
And again, you are simply making declarations without evidence. "God did it". Further, you declare that god must be uncreated....which logically means the universe can be as well.
In essence, you are just making religious declarations divorced from evidence.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
CapeandCow, no thanks...I know my Physics very well...For an outside observer..time stood still in the black hole...cause light got trapped there...well...I can understand if don't get it...not everyone "equipped" to understand theoretical Physics.
God is simply the Supreme Being that created everything else...the whole universe is the testimony of his infinite power and wisdom, for people who understand.
BTW, Theoretical Physics theories come first, the hard evidence come later. Got it?
alphamain 4 years ago
I "get it", but your attempt to apply relativity to god is pretty weak.
I also find your last statement amusing because every theory in physics has the evidence to back it up, otherwise it would not be a theory - something you should understand.
What you have is, at best, a "god hypothesis." And all your evidence is simply declarations of faith.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
No, Theoretical Physics are purely theories...the evidence can come sooner or later or never...The Physicists can live without evidence. The theory of Black Hole came years before the discovery of Black Holes. The theory of Black Matters existed years before they found Black Matters.
We humans need God and never the other way around. If you ever read Al Quran...you will understand what I meant by a Manual given by God to humans.
alphamain 4 years ago
uh huh. A black hole was a mathematical construct predicted by theory. But that didn't make it true until they were discovered. Sorry mate, you are still shooting blanks and making religious declarations. I have no idea why you keep ducking this simple fact.
Humans need god..blahblah blah...what you are doing is saying we need a crutch.
In terms of evidence, the Koran, the Bible, the Torah...its all the same. Religious texts with no evidence.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
Since you obviously even denied the Theoretical Physics presented to you in a simple layman term...then, let me tell you that in Al Quran...you can find embriology...development of foetus...a science that only exist the last century.
Anyhow, my friend...I am just a messenger...you may open your mind or just close it...I don't give a damn...however, I believe you have an inquisitive mind...use it well...may God guide you or condemn you as He please.
alphamain 4 years ago
lol. Well if I am condemned by some god or another for demanding evidence and asking questions, so be it.
Peace, bro.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
Did I say that you are condemned for asking questions? You ay take comfort in what God says in Al Quran...he is the one deciding who will get his guidance...no offence but God choose you not the other way around. However, you may ask for his guidance if He so will.
Peace, bro.
alphamain 4 years ago
Sorry man, but given the capricious cruelty of Allah (along with the god of the Torah and the bible) if such a creature existed, it would have to be opposed on basic moral and ethical grounds.
I find far too much wrong with all three Abrahamic faiths to seek any sort of "guidance" from them.
Peace.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
If you refuse to believe in God...no problem...you still can be a "positive thinker"...finding goodness in everything...some may be better than the other but good nonetheless...I'm a practicing positive thinker...most of the times.
BTW, the positive aspects of Islam are astounding...just imagine over a Billion of people never drink alcohol or get high on drugs. Muslims are prohibited from being racist...most abide. I love Islam so very much...thank God for giving us all a manual to live by.
alphamain 4 years ago
There are great truths in all religions. And that is very telling. It demonstrates, I think, they are HUMAN truths. Truths we share as a species. And the vagaries and alterations of those truths show us that we invented them, and grapple with them still.
Being a positive thinker is indeed a good thing to do. I too try to be that way...most of the times! lol.
CapeandCowl 4 years ago
Good for you bro.
alphamain 4 years ago
Lol Billah Phillips Is Followimg The Correct Beliefe.
AaronBaz2007 4 years ago
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AaronBaz2007 4 years ago