@steviemason7770 stupid american capitalist pig. I'm from Russia. USSR is the most amazing country in the world, and Stalin was a great leader! Socialism is good and It's the future of the world. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying.
truth, justice, equality, freedom, conscience, work! "good words, it is impossible not to agree, but the same words protivostovlyayutsya other words: death, famine, repression, konslager, godlessness ... and what is actually a dispute ...? dispute likely that some of these sequences prevailed ....
truth, justice, equality, freedom, conscience, work! "good words, it is impossible not to agree, but the same words protivostovlyayutsya other words: death, famine, repression, konslager, godlessness ... and what is actually a dispute ...? dispute likely that some of these sequences prevailed ....
Join the International Communist Party! We must uprise and show the world Communism is great! We need equality not the Capitalists who don't treat the less-fortunate with what they need just to live. Food and shelter! Join the Communist Party! Details are on the FB page and Youtube channel
And the world will know that China is a dictatorship not a communism when a red flag flies high above the other nations and everyone will know that they are not better or worse than anyone else
@ParniValjak25 you are wrong Lenin was a socialist not a communist and he believed in the freedom of the soviet people
not the oppression of the nazis. If Hitler worshipped him then fine but believe me if Lenin was alive in the the 1930s he would have stopped the facist before he took the time to strike
@CO3EPC HOLODOMOR it happened becouse Ukrainian government did mistakes and it wasn't deliberate campaign of Stalin to kill the Ukrainian people. Why? Becouse if Stalin wanted to kill Ukrainian people, he would did it without need in HOLODOMOR. Anyway If you like Ukrainian nationalists who turn child-killers, traitors and accomplices of fascism into heroes of Ukraine , it mean that you are no better than Stalin
The revolution may take time, it may even be delayed by the action of the oppressing classes but it will come. WE, the poor, the oppressed, the hungry, the disadvantaged, the destitute are many. THEY, the rich, the greedy, the selfish, the powerful are few.
My country had been in Soviet Union. There was no poor people. You don't have a job? We will provide it for you. There wa no bad products in shops. Everything was carefuly checked. You are a criminal? You will pay for it! But now our country is very poor. There are many people that have no job and nothing to eat. Level of crime is very high because pepole need money to buy food. Goverment does nothing. Only earns big money while biggest part of country is starving. Is that what you wanted?
are you saying you want to make the same amount of money as every one else? what do you think would happen from that no would want to be rich no one would be a doctor no one would try to better the worlds understanding of everything we would all just fade into a world filled with people with no desire to better our selves this is what you get from full socialism
"There is no profit in socialism" except that the whole people are profited.
Socialism is the logical next step in social evolution. It is no longer a contested reality. Weakening capitalist powers conceded that defeat when Nixon sent Kissinger to Mao. The U.S. has lost control over S. America and will lose it's bid for Mid East Oil. The weakening of the U.S. is very important, as it is the last pure capitalist holdout of any significance in world affairs.
And to add to the comment below, if you're from some west capitalist country, why do you bother commenting on communism if you haven't experienced it?
Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Even though you won, you're still retarded. Remember that because nobody give's a Sh*t about you opinion. This video is a a video, not a blog, so go somewhere else and express those opinions of yours.
true communism is a democracy, what u think of communism(USSR, China,etc.) is actually a totalitarianism that uses "communism" to control the population. in fact the state doesn't gain power it loses power, under true comunism, until there is no state
yes. I made a mistake in terminology. I am not reffering to Communism/socialism in the true since that Lenin, Marx, Che, and so forth believed in. I am talking about Stalinism, maoism and North Korea's sorry excuse for communism.
Should a true socialist state form, I will be the first to support it.
do you know anything about maoism? it is the only ideology that makes a thirld world country be socialist without a capitalist society,and because thirld worlds has an abnormal society(means it didnt went to the right phase of the stages of society because of imperialism) there is a necessity of following mao's ideology to effectively use marxism in a thirld world country. and study revisionism,then you will know what happened to china and all other socialist country that failed.
You dont seem to know much about what socialist or communist are about .All stores and factries are run by the people not the goverment like the USSR .
Read here w w w . discussion.newyouth. c o m /index.php
They don't want state run , they want workers to run it. There is eletion and democracy.
Just type in proper URL and read about than spure propadada from the conservatives mouth.
Sure....and apperntly you know nothing about Communism. Please learn something and stop posting crap for its people like you that make me mad and make people think Communists are evil.
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Communism cannot work in America because of how big our nation is, Imagine the Government supplying for 150 million people in the same standard? Its not possible. Plus, our culture prevents an ideology to be accepted, Us Americans like luxury, and our choice to promote growth. We are adapted to our American Dream Standard.
bear in mind there is no state in a communist society, the proletariat would provide for each other through workers and direct democracy. With its developed economy and advanced industrial tech, communism is the only option.
On the Beorocratisation of the Socviet Union; the Soviet economy was built upo the backwards economy of Tsarist Russia, it is impossible to built Socialism on Feudalism. Workers Democracy can only be built out of Capitalism
what about revisionism? its not true that only a capitalist society could make it to socialism, even marx had a speculation on backward countries.capitalism(IMPERIALISM) makes it possible for a backward country to reach socialism.
Despite the fact that every comment you made contained an insult I may as wel respond as you did actually make a point once or twice.
I my self was offered stock in a company I worked for; but to take then you had to have a pay cut, sign a contract to say you wont use voting rights and that 25% of profits made by that shre go back to the company (and thats normal practices)
dear God the stupidity...there are thousands of corporations where "employees" own stock and retire quite comfortably...shit...the ignorance of some you people scare the hell out of me and is dangerous. Is Capitalism perfect? No...but with it regulated properly, while freedom and creativity allowing it to flourish, it is the only true "peoples" system of government. Should their be safety nets for people? yes...locally
Naturally? If capitalism is so 'natural' and 'produtive' how come feudalism or slave based societies existed. You are workers coops are unable to compete under capitalism because they are not traded with by capitalism at large. Also they are middle-class in origin; aimed at specific bourgeois idea's (fair trade, fruit and nut bollocks)
You are so clueless. The US and World capitalist system has evolved over time. That's what make the system so effective...it adapts.
Workers coops(or companies that have a balanced system of pay and rights), can flourish in a capitalist system, but the workers/owners must find a way to stay productive. If you don't or can't REWARD the best and hardest working and RECRUIT the best talent, you will fail....like all the other communist countries that ever existed.
Agreed! This is an important point about emergent order; a free market, like nature, adapts and changes slowly to meet the demands of citizens in a way that top-down order never can.
Well, the workers' cooperatives are organized on the principle of democratic management.
The workers participating in the cooperatives all get an equal share and an equal vote.
Such cooperative enterprises still have to exist within the overarching framework of a profit-driven rather than worker-oriented economic structure due to the nature of our capitalist economy, but they are out there, fighting against large and well-established corporations.
Those are entirely worker-owned and democratically-run businesses, heavily inspired by Marxist or anarchist ideas.
They've existed for decades here in the US, which alone says something about the potential of such enterprises.
Although with corporate control running the bulk of the economy up and down the gamut, they're not a noticeable part of this nation's economic structure and don't have much said of them in the media or in the press.
762delivered, aren't you really arguing that because some people abuse the welfare system, it means that such a system is flawed and that we shouldn't have one?
Because that's what you're attacking socialist ideas for.
you made four point there none of which you backed up or justified; democratically owned buisnesses have failed because they are forced out of the market by capitalists refusing to work with them.
Hey mush brain...many "corporations" are owned by employee's by offering stock options and other incentives. In a "free market" wages should be controlled by supply and demand. In your kind of idiotic system, you'll have a bureaucratic mess with some asshole controlling every aspect of your life.
Take your fantasy to a small island with a lot of natural resources....oh...it's been tried and has failed miserably.
Supply and demand does not control wages; as Marx pointed out wages are paid before a product is sold, thus profit is not determinate, it is a proportion of the value added to the natural resources by the worker.
Answer me this, why are rice workers not paid more than bankers in failed banks? There is much more demand for rice?
In fact rice is so in demand and capitalism produces so much rice that its not profitable to sell, thus people starve
I agree; but under capitalism people dont work for there own property they work for capitalists property. Democratic ownership of the means of production; workers work harder when they own their factory
762, the slogan from Marx that everybody who didn't learn his Marx from Ronald Reagan is familiar with is actually
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
That means the only people who don't do any productive work would be the ones who are physically incapacitated or unable to - and I think you'd have to be a complete Social Darwinist to say that invalids and the elderly should be left to starve and die.
Of course, under a capitalist system, you have heirs and heiresses who do actually laze around all day without getting anything done. At best, perhaps, they make viral porn videos that circulate throughout the internet.
Simultaneously, you also have poor people who can't get adequate health care or give their kids a college education.
You promote a system that has classes: the "haves" and the "have nots".
Funny how you yourself supply points for a critique of capitalism.
And you think that communists are mobilized in favor of generous handouts to able-bodied people who laze around all day in their government-subsidized housing?
762, are you really 25, or did you just put that on your page to get access to videos that minors cannot?
And my respect for proponents of the capitalist system in general would also rise greatly if you can honestly agree with me - just once - that capitalism sounds good, but is pretty illogical, given the way things really work - i.e. human nature and all that.
"What Marx wrote, was a bunch of pretty words, about an imaginary utopia- about a philosophy which sounds nice, but simply doesn't work in the real world."
How do you know it wouldn't work? Obviously, it has never been implemented properly. Whether it can be implemented is a totally different question, and how it can be implemented is a question for communist groups to work out.
And they take the widest possible range of positions on it. For example, the Japanese Communist Party has said that building the kind of society where genuine Marxism could take place would probably take centuries, and that progress in that direction should proceed at the natural and proper pace.
Obviously, the social conditions must be right for that kind of society to take root. What specific measures must be taken is indeed a pertinent question.
Personally, I would say that a more egalitarian distribution of resources and a new emergence of a broader consciousness of ourselves and of our belonging to society must be allowed to develop.
The first step would be to do away with the worst excesses of the capitalist system -- exploitation of fellow human beings around the Third World, an end to war, and an education that emphasizes the basic humanity and fundamental needs and rights of all people.
"Forgive me if I can't find the good in the State having the ultimate power over our lives to force us into submission."
Seriously, please take a word of advice from zezima930. Marx was a humanist philosopher, and his ideas form a logical continuum with those of other progressive philosophical figures (like Baruch Spinoza and John Dewey).
By communism, as Marx wrote, what was meant was the working people being in control over the means of production -- in the USSR, the elites ran the show.
It is a beautiful vision of a classless, egalitarian, and decentralized social system, where people view one another as fellow human beings, rather than as anthropomorphic tools or mere means for their own ends.
And that, most definitely, is not an oppressive system where the bureaucrats lord it over the peasants and working classes, telling them how to live or what to do with their lives.
That's Stalinism. Educate yourself and compare the writings of Marx and Engels with that which was carried out by Stalin. The difference is anything but negligible. People think of Soviet Russia as being synonymous with Marxism, when in reality it's not. Read something for once, and stop getting your information from biased movie productions.
If you object with the idea of communism, than you are a heartless droid of western values, and you hold your fabricated selfworth higher than humanity.
"The enemy is not refuted: enough to unmask him as a bourgeois. Marxism criticizes the achievements of all those who think otherwise by representing them as the venal servants of the bourgeoisie. Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert".
People, stop watching the video, read the original and realize that direct action through armed struggle is the only. organize and strike. But will you be willing to risk your life for the cause of humanity
53 people are lazy communists. Communism sucks!
steviemason7770 2 months ago
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@steviemason7770 stupid american capitalist pig. I'm from Russia. USSR is the most amazing country in the world, and Stalin was a great leader! Socialism is good and It's the future of the world. Don't listen to american propaganda, it's lying.
vserossiiskiiprotest 1 month ago
Communist government
oxymoron
manrayer88 6 months ago
@alialibaba40 коммунизм бессмертная идея также бессмертна как слово справедливость, свобода, порядочность, долг.
TheArgus55 8 months ago
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Would you force someone to live under a communist government if they didn’t want to?
manor1730 8 months ago
would you be able to email me the words you used in this video in a text format. I really like the quotes and would like to print them off.
thanks if you can.
ComradeZX 8 months ago
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truth, justice, equality, freedom, conscience, work! "good words, it is impossible not to agree, but the same words protivostovlyayutsya other words: death, famine, repression, konslager, godlessness ... and what is actually a dispute ...? dispute likely that some of these sequences prevailed ....
TheMaxsimMax 9 months ago
truth, justice, equality, freedom, conscience, work! "good words, it is impossible not to agree, but the same words protivostovlyayutsya other words: death, famine, repression, konslager, godlessness ... and what is actually a dispute ...? dispute likely that some of these sequences prevailed ....
TheMaxsimMax 9 months ago
alialibaba40, хуйню несешь, так что закрой ебло товарищ.
Belgons 9 months ago
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God be with you North Korea and China.....
catpedia 1 year ago
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380800 1 year ago
communism will return
in all its glory
And the world will know that China is a dictatorship not a communism when a red flag flies high above the other nations and everyone will know that they are not better or worse than anyone else
themetalheadbangers 1 year ago
30.10.10.
День памяти жертв политических репрессий СССР!!! Красные Ублюдки к СУДУ ИСТОРИИ!
Траур для Россиян.
Праздник для расиян!
roma19840623 1 year ago
Lenin and Marx are Nazis. Hitler was a communist who worshipped Lenin and Marx.
Communism = Nazism.
ParniValjak25 1 year ago
@ParniValjak25 even though nazism didnt exist during either of their times do your research pig
TheRedStarGamer 1 year ago
@ParniValjak25 lol he
Timpetot 1 year ago
@ParniValjak25 you are wrong Lenin was a socialist not a communist and he believed in the freedom of the soviet people
not the oppression of the nazis. If Hitler worshipped him then fine but believe me if Lenin was alive in the the 1930s he would have stopped the facist before he took the time to strike
themetalheadbangers 1 year ago
@ParniValjak25 LOL
PesiCool 1 year ago
capitalizm will be fall!
Bultuush1 1 year ago
long live communisum and all communist leaders in the heart and soul of us FOR MARX,LENIN AND ALL MIGHTY STALIN LET THE RED FLAG WAVE
canbow12 1 year ago
@canbow12 may be not stalin
TheRedStarGamer 1 year ago
@TheRedStarGamer why not comrad stalin
canbow12 1 year ago
@canbow12 because comrade stalin killed alot of his comrades
TheRedStarGamer 1 year ago
@canbow12 actually theyre all dictators surpressing the lower class = not so very communism
Timpetot 1 year ago
Viva la Victoria!! Great video! the music played perfectly. Go true Communism!
TheLogicman1 1 year ago
Violet., Blue, Green, Orange, Yellow... last RED
Vislav86 1 year ago
I wish the whole world could be communist for 1 month
I mean the real communism, exacly what Marx had in his mind
Time for change
lordskyller 1 year ago 4
Communism,
For the People,
For the World.
Nitocolus 1 year ago
HOLODOMOR GENOCIDE- Ten MILLION Ukrainians systematcally starved to death by Stalin, Kaganovich and other high ranking Soviet COMMUNISTS.
CO3EPC 1 year ago
@CO3EPC HOLODOMOR it happened becouse Ukrainian government did mistakes and it wasn't deliberate campaign of Stalin to kill the Ukrainian people. Why? Becouse if Stalin wanted to kill Ukrainian people, he would did it without need in HOLODOMOR. Anyway If you like Ukrainian nationalists who turn child-killers, traitors and accomplices of fascism into heroes of Ukraine , it mean that you are no better than Stalin
victorydayof91945 1 year ago
@CO3EPC Заткнись
LeninTov 1 year ago
Communism is so silly, just like tight jeans, neon colors, and everything else that's hip
Fittykent 1 year ago
this is a really gud video
Sajeepanx10 1 year ago
which language?
Dutchguyable 1 year ago
The revolution may take time, it may even be delayed by the action of the oppressing classes but it will come. WE, the poor, the oppressed, the hungry, the disadvantaged, the destitute are many. THEY, the rich, the greedy, the selfish, the powerful are few.
MrHistoryman45 1 year ago
Looks like you missed a couple of mass murderers.
trackerjaf 2 years ago
@trackerjaf Communism is a classless and STATELESS society. So how did Communism start a few mass murders?
Potts132 1 year ago
My country had been in Soviet Union. There was no poor people. You don't have a job? We will provide it for you. There wa no bad products in shops. Everything was carefuly checked. You are a criminal? You will pay for it! But now our country is very poor. There are many people that have no job and nothing to eat. Level of crime is very high because pepole need money to buy food. Goverment does nothing. Only earns big money while biggest part of country is starving. Is that what you wanted?
ffelix8 2 years ago 4
But now at least the USA can make big buck off them!!
Jpdeveau0 2 years ago
you are stupid. US always make money off others and don't think about the rest. Money is the only think It does. Retarded capitalists
ffelix8 2 years ago 3
grate song!
FlashMob22 2 years ago 2
are you saying you want to make the same amount of money as every one else? what do you think would happen from that no would want to be rich no one would be a doctor no one would try to better the worlds understanding of everything we would all just fade into a world filled with people with no desire to better our selves this is what you get from full socialism
FlashMob22 2 years ago
"There is no profit in socialism" except that the whole people are profited.
Socialism is the logical next step in social evolution. It is no longer a contested reality. Weakening capitalist powers conceded that defeat when Nixon sent Kissinger to Mao. The U.S. has lost control over S. America and will lose it's bid for Mid East Oil. The weakening of the U.S. is very important, as it is the last pure capitalist holdout of any significance in world affairs.
Commiton 2 years ago
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FlashMob22 2 years ago
There is no profit in socialism.
It doesn't work.
:)
AcePilot101 2 years ago
And to add to the comment below, if you're from some west capitalist country, why do you bother commenting on communism if you haven't experienced it?
Grrrrunge 2 years ago 2
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skyscraper83 2 years ago
Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics. Even though you won, you're still retarded. Remember that because nobody give's a Sh*t about you opinion. This video is a a video, not a blog, so go somewhere else and express those opinions of yours.
Beastly302 2 years ago
in future communism will rise again and this capitalist shit will fall but will the world be better ? we shall see ....
titanium811 2 years ago
bullshit. Communism causes tyranny. It will never be able to be done the way it was meant to.
And I'll be damned if I have to hand all of my hard earned cash to the government to be redistributed. hell no. Work for your own damn money.
Catfishman1209 2 years ago
true communism is a democracy, what u think of communism(USSR, China,etc.) is actually a totalitarianism that uses "communism" to control the population. in fact the state doesn't gain power it loses power, under true comunism, until there is no state
stupidtrooper501 2 years ago
yes. I made a mistake in terminology. I am not reffering to Communism/socialism in the true since that Lenin, Marx, Che, and so forth believed in. I am talking about Stalinism, maoism and North Korea's sorry excuse for communism.
Should a true socialist state form, I will be the first to support it.
Catfishman1209 2 years ago
do you know anything about maoism? it is the only ideology that makes a thirld world country be socialist without a capitalist society,and because thirld worlds has an abnormal society(means it didnt went to the right phase of the stages of society because of imperialism) there is a necessity of following mao's ideology to effectively use marxism in a thirld world country. and study revisionism,then you will know what happened to china and all other socialist country that failed.
m18oj6k 1 year ago
Karl marx is a yahudi.
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You dont seem to know much about what socialist or communist are about .All stores and factries are run by the people not the goverment like the USSR .
Read here w w w . discussion.newyouth. c o m /index.php
They don't want state run , they want workers to run it. There is eletion and democracy.
Just type in proper URL and read about than spure propadada from the conservatives mouth.
sun201a 2 years ago
This is very hard to read; can you upload a higher quality version?
daganboy2 2 years ago
222, you are a fucking arsehole!
fight antisemitism!
agratex 2 years ago
Sure....and apperntly you know nothing about Communism. Please learn something and stop posting crap for its people like you that make me mad and make people think Communists are evil.
PolishSoviet 2 years ago 4
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ZenCopain 2 years ago
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Communism cannot work in America because of how big our nation is, Imagine the Government supplying for 150 million people in the same standard? Its not possible. Plus, our culture prevents an ideology to be accepted, Us Americans like luxury, and our choice to promote growth. We are adapted to our American Dream Standard.
Surge72 2 years ago
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So why the fuck you elected a black communist you fuckers? One Roosevelt is not enough?
klf2233 2 years ago
Obama is not a communist because
1.He supports the ceo's of the auto industry
2. He did not put any bush administrators on trail for war crimes
3. He supports representitive democracy instead of direct democracy
4. He speaks against communism in his speeches
5. He is religious
6. He suports the opression of the worker by the capitalist.
Just because he supports some healthcare improvments does not make him a communist.
He is also not black.
purpledoggies 2 years ago 4
bear in mind there is no state in a communist society, the proletariat would provide for each other through workers and direct democracy. With its developed economy and advanced industrial tech, communism is the only option.
furyandthefallen 2 years ago 12
On the Beorocratisation of the Socviet Union; the Soviet economy was built upo the backwards economy of Tsarist Russia, it is impossible to built Socialism on Feudalism. Workers Democracy can only be built out of Capitalism
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago
what about revisionism? its not true that only a capitalist society could make it to socialism, even marx had a speculation on backward countries.capitalism(IMPERIALISM) makes it possible for a backward country to reach socialism.
m18oj6k 1 year ago
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Communist can't exist without complete control. That is why their system will never work on a large scale.
JESS6TY 2 years ago
Despite the fact that every comment you made contained an insult I may as wel respond as you did actually make a point once or twice.
I my self was offered stock in a company I worked for; but to take then you had to have a pay cut, sign a contract to say you wont use voting rights and that 25% of profits made by that shre go back to the company (and thats normal practices)
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago
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USA Israel and NATO bitches suck ASS
Russia, China and SCO crush you little crying girls !! Bitch slapping you all with tanks since 1944 :D
Communist2012 2 years ago
dear God the stupidity...there are thousands of corporations where "employees" own stock and retire quite comfortably...shit...the ignorance of some you people scare the hell out of me and is dangerous. Is Capitalism perfect? No...but with it regulated properly, while freedom and creativity allowing it to flourish, it is the only true "peoples" system of government. Should their be safety nets for people? yes...locally
JESS6TY 2 years ago
Excellent.
Bakahashiyo 2 years ago 2
solo una palabra:
beatifull O.O!
hermoso!
brillante!
zhukovrevolucionario 2 years ago
Naturally? If capitalism is so 'natural' and 'produtive' how come feudalism or slave based societies existed. You are workers coops are unable to compete under capitalism because they are not traded with by capitalism at large. Also they are middle-class in origin; aimed at specific bourgeois idea's (fair trade, fruit and nut bollocks)
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago
You are so clueless. The US and World capitalist system has evolved over time. That's what make the system so effective...it adapts.
Workers coops(or companies that have a balanced system of pay and rights), can flourish in a capitalist system, but the workers/owners must find a way to stay productive. If you don't or can't REWARD the best and hardest working and RECRUIT the best talent, you will fail....like all the other communist countries that ever existed.
JESS6TY 2 years ago
Agreed! This is an important point about emergent order; a free market, like nature, adapts and changes slowly to meet the demands of citizens in a way that top-down order never can.
ZuzoFriend 2 years ago
Well, the workers' cooperatives are organized on the principle of democratic management.
The workers participating in the cooperatives all get an equal share and an equal vote.
Such cooperative enterprises still have to exist within the overarching framework of a profit-driven rather than worker-oriented economic structure due to the nature of our capitalist economy, but they are out there, fighting against large and well-established corporations.
I'm sorry you haven't heard of them.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
What about worker cooperatives?
Those are entirely worker-owned and democratically-run businesses, heavily inspired by Marxist or anarchist ideas.
They've existed for decades here in the US, which alone says something about the potential of such enterprises.
Although with corporate control running the bulk of the economy up and down the gamut, they're not a noticeable part of this nation's economic structure and don't have much said of them in the media or in the press.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
762delivered, aren't you really arguing that because some people abuse the welfare system, it means that such a system is flawed and that we shouldn't have one?
Because that's what you're attacking socialist ideas for.
I find that a rather poor argument.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
you made four point there none of which you backed up or justified; democratically owned buisnesses have failed because they are forced out of the market by capitalists refusing to work with them.
Only think they do? Why? How? In what way?
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago
Hey mush brain...many "corporations" are owned by employee's by offering stock options and other incentives. In a "free market" wages should be controlled by supply and demand. In your kind of idiotic system, you'll have a bureaucratic mess with some asshole controlling every aspect of your life.
Take your fantasy to a small island with a lot of natural resources....oh...it's been tried and has failed miserably.
JESS6TY 2 years ago
Supply and demand does not control wages; as Marx pointed out wages are paid before a product is sold, thus profit is not determinate, it is a proportion of the value added to the natural resources by the worker.
Answer me this, why are rice workers not paid more than bankers in failed banks? There is much more demand for rice?
In fact rice is so in demand and capitalism produces so much rice that its not profitable to sell, thus people starve
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago 6
I agree; but under capitalism people dont work for there own property they work for capitalists property. Democratic ownership of the means of production; workers work harder when they own their factory
Militant000Marxist 2 years ago 5
762, the slogan from Marx that everybody who didn't learn his Marx from Ronald Reagan is familiar with is actually
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
That means the only people who don't do any productive work would be the ones who are physically incapacitated or unable to - and I think you'd have to be a complete Social Darwinist to say that invalids and the elderly should be left to starve and die.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
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inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
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Of course, under a capitalist system, you have heirs and heiresses who do actually laze around all day without getting anything done. At best, perhaps, they make viral porn videos that circulate throughout the internet.
Simultaneously, you also have poor people who can't get adequate health care or give their kids a college education.
You promote a system that has classes: the "haves" and the "have nots".
Funny how you yourself supply points for a critique of capitalism.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
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And you think that communists are mobilized in favor of generous handouts to able-bodied people who laze around all day in their government-subsidized housing?
762, are you really 25, or did you just put that on your page to get access to videos that minors cannot?
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
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inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
You'd like it to be as simple, 762delivered, wouldn't you?
People work hardest when they have a _stake_ in what's involved. Study some psychology - you'll find simply volumes of works on motivation there.
"People will always work harder, when it's their own property they are working for"
Then we should privatize the police, the fire departments, highways, public parks, charity hospitals, and churches.
When privately owned, they'll work a million times better. And all will be pleased.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
And my respect for proponents of the capitalist system in general would also rise greatly if you can honestly agree with me - just once - that capitalism sounds good, but is pretty illogical, given the way things really work - i.e. human nature and all that.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
"What Marx wrote, was a bunch of pretty words, about an imaginary utopia- about a philosophy which sounds nice, but simply doesn't work in the real world."
How do you know it wouldn't work? Obviously, it has never been implemented properly. Whether it can be implemented is a totally different question, and how it can be implemented is a question for communist groups to work out.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
And they take the widest possible range of positions on it. For example, the Japanese Communist Party has said that building the kind of society where genuine Marxism could take place would probably take centuries, and that progress in that direction should proceed at the natural and proper pace.
Obviously, the social conditions must be right for that kind of society to take root. What specific measures must be taken is indeed a pertinent question.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
Personally, I would say that a more egalitarian distribution of resources and a new emergence of a broader consciousness of ourselves and of our belonging to society must be allowed to develop.
The first step would be to do away with the worst excesses of the capitalist system -- exploitation of fellow human beings around the Third World, an end to war, and an education that emphasizes the basic humanity and fundamental needs and rights of all people.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
"Forgive me if I can't find the good in the State having the ultimate power over our lives to force us into submission."
Seriously, please take a word of advice from zezima930. Marx was a humanist philosopher, and his ideas form a logical continuum with those of other progressive philosophical figures (like Baruch Spinoza and John Dewey).
By communism, as Marx wrote, what was meant was the working people being in control over the means of production -- in the USSR, the elites ran the show.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
True Marxism is a humanism.
It is a beautiful vision of a classless, egalitarian, and decentralized social system, where people view one another as fellow human beings, rather than as anthropomorphic tools or mere means for their own ends.
And that, most definitely, is not an oppressive system where the bureaucrats lord it over the peasants and working classes, telling them how to live or what to do with their lives.
inbrooklyn2008 2 years ago
communism is wrong watch THE SOVIET STORY it is a movie that will show u the real face of communism
sakukas10 3 years ago
That's Stalinism. Educate yourself and compare the writings of Marx and Engels with that which was carried out by Stalin. The difference is anything but negligible. People think of Soviet Russia as being synonymous with Marxism, when in reality it's not. Read something for once, and stop getting your information from biased movie productions.
If you object with the idea of communism, than you are a heartless droid of western values, and you hold your fabricated selfworth higher than humanity.
zezima930 3 years ago 4
"The enemy is not refuted: enough to unmask him as a bourgeois. Marxism criticizes the achievements of all those who think otherwise by representing them as the venal servants of the bourgeoisie. Marx and Engels never tried to refute their opponents with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are not less expert".
-Ludwig Von Mises
You my friend are an expert.
socialdtk 3 years ago
People, stop watching the video, read the original and realize that direct action through armed struggle is the only. organize and strike. But will you be willing to risk your life for the cause of humanity
prjctcivilian 3 years ago
love the music
Song476 3 years ago 4
amazing vid
droppedyursoap 3 years ago 6
Victory for communism
Song476 3 years ago 17
perfect
mauroprovatos 3 years ago 17