Peter Joseph quits the Zeitgeist Movement

[SpiderShane1]

BOTH of these guys are very intelligent and have some wonderful ideas. And yet both are human with ego, and actions that occur as a reinforcement of said egos.

This crap in this video is just politics, which is the result of egos, leaders, and the desire of humans to "be on the right team".

Stop thinking who is correct and who is incorrect, and just listen to what your heart tells you. You already know what is truely right, and what is wrong. So work for good and ignore the politics of it.

[RavenousSky]

They both are important. Peter helps to expose the problems with today's economy... and the Venus Project shows what the future can be if we eliminate the current economy and initiate a Resource Based Economy as Jacque outlines in many films and books. It doesn't seem like Peter is quite thinking that long term, Jacque is way ahead of our time... but that's great, he is envisioning a better world that we hopefully will follow. Which can motivate people to plant the seeds of a better tomorrow.

[btyremanable]

what's the difference between these two and hitler and stalin lol, I know it's not the same but just saying, can we even live without our tribal instincts? are mammals not from a pack ,then there is the silverback gorilla, that's what this insanity reminds me of. I find it incredibly disturbing that they can't come to a solution, it gets me thinking that maybe a world without media is actually a step forwards, as it's often the media itself that is manipulating people, even in Zeitgeist...

[itismepicasso]

what to do? many people done what they had to do, they were killed. if you try to be self sufficient and not depend on the crooks in power (government and corporations) then they come and kill you or destroy your country. many countries were attacked and destroyed from the latest is Libya, to the oriental islands to the whole world. to make sure we can't fish and hunt, they polluted our waters and claimed ownership to the lands. and what is public is highly regulated. so we leave like cattle.

[itismepicasso]

@noir21072 ok obviously you and many who listen to these type of videos is not aware of history and tactics of the rich and powerful who always are the ones financing revolutionaries, activists and pushers of their one world agenda. and often the rich and powerful fund both sides and come on top no matter who wins. those who actually tell the truth & give the right directions are killed (i.e. milton william cooper, nancy schaefer, JFK, the 2 ladies killed in the Buffalo NY plane crash etc.)

[changethecurrent]

@noir21072 There need not be a different system if we expose the secret societies that control us all! Why would you ever think that the Zeitgeist or the TVP would bare anymore fruit then the current system if we allow the Secret Societies to still exist! ........SS// CHEMTRAILS=GENOCIDE \\SS

[changethecurrent]

@MrTadpole16 considering 80% of the world live well below the poverty line and the best for them might be food or the close on there back as a material possession, That the only thing that is holding back humanity from spiritual growth would be the environment of the minority.

[Tombuchaill]

@MrTadpole16 You have it backwards, the degree to which your material and physical circumstances become irrelevent to you in the present moment is an indication of spiritual growth. Then civilization will slowly evolve to reflect this. Hopefully we won't blow each other to bits beforehand.

[Tombuchaill]

@webfulfill You have a good point I guess! LMAO

[equityboost2]

@MrTadpole16: You make me laugh. You contradict yourself. You life and mind is totally controlled in this utopian world of yours. It is you that needs to do a bit more thinking about this. TVP is not anarchy, it is communism. Why don't you look up the definition of the two. I suppose you are going to force us "fucks" into your NWO? Is that how it will be?

[MrTadpole16]

@equityboost2 it is not communism if everyone has equal freedoms and can make choices themselves. People can decide if they want to live there or not. So it is'nt communism. I'm a strong supporter of freedom so don't even go there. This idea is based on the idea of having intelligent beings living together in harmony. ITS HIPPY TOWN! if everyone is smokin weed and talking about the universe and cool shit like that then i highly doubt there will be any problems with our rights. This place will be

[MrTadpole16]

@equityboost2 totally controlled by its people not any one man.

[changeinrange2012]

Jacque seems more worried about his legacy than he does implementing the change he so desperately desires.  Peter could make more short term change that could lead to the long term change Jacque wants to implement. Jacque needs to check his ego at the door and Peter needs to offer more olive branches to Jacque and not get so pissed off. The change is important who cares who gets the credit, or did they forget they 34k children are dying from starvation daily?

[Tombuchaill]

@changeinrange2012 This is exactly the problem with this, these two people are supossed to be promoting a leaderless society, but they are so egotistical that they can't put aside their differences for the greater purpose. Ego is the biggest killer on earth, until its dealt with, this type of society is impossible, and willrapidly self destruct.

[changethecurrent]

CHEMTRAILS=GENOCIDE 

[flchange]

Jacque is too worried about everyone knowing he's the creator of the TVP and the RBE concept and he keeps discrediting TZM with no reason. Peter was always respectful in that he always mentions Jacque, both in Zeitgeist Addendum and in Z moving foward. Now Jacque actively participated in both films and the decided to detach from TZM. I think that´s a stab in the back. I like TVP and most (not all) Jacque's ideas, but what he is doing now, talking bs about TZM is very ungentlemanly.

[changethecurrent]

@flchange This is one of the many tricks in the serpents "mysteries" Bag, is to divide and conquer. Especially the very thing he manufactures.

[DionAFields]

Its not over OWS is proof. No its not going to be lead by either one of these guys I appreciate the info. Thank you. My biggest complaint was the Venus Project can't even get static out the their phone line to talk to me yet they are going to transform the world? The spirit of the movement is still alive but its not going to be lead by these incompetents. Jacque ideas for the long run are good but the short haul? Hell we got eat first Jacque.

[UponInfinity]

@rm5291 I intentionally gave it a thumbs up. ;)

[shano4241]

This shit is funny....well played sir

[TheMajorMigraine]

Do people know that the same "government" that is behind the NWO unions is that which is behind the zeitgeist venus project? I can't see why people don't realize that the venus project IS the nwo...

[changethecurrent]

@RyeinGoddard It is to try to get the ZGM and the VPM groupies to get there heads out of there asses and take a real good look at what the fuck is going on in the world.These movements are popular with the ELITES. They want you to populate control yourselves so they can still live like gods. These groups spread hatred and intolerance towards freedom under the guise of evolution of conciseness, Meanwhile they do nothing to further advance the evolution of conciseness of the majority's.

[dudefromtheearth]

@RyeinGoddard Yes.

[failblorg]

just because this guy is a retard does not mean he doesn't have a good heart. Lets hear him out.

[beire1569]

nope this video is wrong, but hey you are free to post your opinion...

[mooncreatures]

Sophistries !

People do not be afraid !! A leader among people, it's not a leader above the people .. Knowledge flows from the people, not the "leaders"..

Knowledge has been passed!! No worries !!

[SecretTheatre]

I hope some rappers listen to this, because the liberal and percussive use of the word 'FUCK' to reinforce contempt is just genius.

Peter Merola is waaaaaaaaaaaay beyond creepy. And Fresco is pretty much senile. The whole thing is an embarrassment of unfathomable proportions.

[changethecurrent]

@SecretTheatre ROFL

[ch1mpanze]

@SecretTheatre I liked the end of the video - nice summary.

[Soulfree2008]

@SecretTheatre creepy? Senile? You stink of controlled opposition, or complete tomshillery... or just ignorant of that which you speak...

[SecretTheatre]

@Soulfree2008 "You stink of controlled opposition..."

But clearly, if you already have a device that is capable of detecting my very odour then your waaaaaay ahead of even Senor Fresco...

"or complete tomshillery"

Google gives me 9 hits for the word 'tomshillery'...

"or just ignorant of that which you speak..."

I've never spoken to anyone about this... hush now, let's keep it to ourselves...

[SecretTheatre]

@SecretTheatre Note to self: stop using the word 'waaaaaaaaaaaaay'.

[TheWayandWordofLife]

HELLO!???.....IS ANYONE REALLY LISTENING???..... ZEITGEIST, AND THE VENUS PROJECTS ARE SUPPORTED BY THE NWO LEADERS! THEY WANT TO USE THESE LOVELY- IDEAS OF ZEITGEIST-TYPE WORLD- TO ENTICE ALL OF YOU SO MUCH- THAT YOU WILL BE WILLING TO ALLOW BILLIONS OF PEOPLE TO BECOME THE VICTIMS OF MASS GENOCIDE ! I MEAN, AT LEAST ALL THE USELESS EATERS WON'T BE INJURING THE PLANET ANYMORE, RIGHT??? I WOULD FEEL SO EVIL, AND LIKE A COMPLETE BAG OF CRAP- HUMAN BEING, TO EVER SUPPORT GENOCIDE! EVER RES

[TheWayandWordofLife]

The fact that these two grown men can't get along - Yet, their idea for a better world is supposed to begin with peace, and checking EGO at the door, in order to work for the Greater Good- is quite IRONIC, isn't it? I don't think a beautiful, utopia is possible at all- because too many humans are complete BUNGHOLES!!! Well, ...... so much for that idea........

[JGH8sDaDebunkerz]

The Constitution 2 incorporated with our technology. If a states people want to vote on legalizing drugs or gay marriage just have the people vote from computers and I Phones, It can be done just like American Idol type shows & Lobbyist cant buy us off hah New Laws written against the Government and not against the people, We need to be calling the shots.

[JGH8sDaDebunkerz]

The Constitution, Bill Of Rights, Free Markets, Gold Standard, Sound money, way of living works but none of that exist right now. We need to come up with a plan to break up the Police State, Ban Lobbyist, Stop Monopolies, We need to straighten out the media its supposed to be the watch dog not owned by the corrupt war profiteers, real investigative journalism not scripts handed to super models and actors. We need true freedom the problem is theres always going to be corrupt people in any system

[JGH8sDaDebunkerz]

I believe in helpful technologies which we already have and are being suppressed by the elites, but no I don't want to live in a bubble city where machines do all the work for me, haven't you guys seen the Matrix? haha Humans need to work its part of life's balance, when I got laid off sitting home collecting unemployment drove me crazy and made me fat. I like a hard days work, working with my hands, the sense of accomplishment when the jobs done & more so when I get to go home and relax

[Blankname101]

@Kratos89115 I agree with you fully.

[dunkafelic]

so are people starting to realize the fraudulency now? PJ's a fraud...a puppet for the NWO....the freemasons and illuminati. if you don't see it then you need to learn some things about your world. the agenda (under the guise of peace) is to create one world government, one world economy, and one world religion. the one world religion would believe in and perpetuate (according to Alber Pike and his entire masonic cult) the Luciferian Doctrine. btw Venus = Lucifer. it's all there. it's all true.

[changethecurrent]

@dunkafelic Finally someone who understands. Thank you for your thoughts.

[dunkafelic]

@changethecurrent

the motto for (the zeitgeist movement's) "ZDAY 2010" on 3/13/10 was:

“What we have done for ourselves alone, dies with us; what we have done for others and the world, remains and is immortal."

the quote is taken directly from the book: “Ex Corde Locutiones: Words from the Heart Spoken of His Dead Brethren” written by Albert Pike and published in 1872 by the Supreme Council, Thirty Third Degree, of the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction of the United States Freemasons

[skykomusic]

@dunkafelic That quote is from Albert Pine - different guy

[dunkafelic]

@skykomusic no, it's from Alber Pike. try harder in your research. I listed the damn book it came from. laziness breeds ignorance. keep that in mind next time you want to try to correct someone's "mistakes".

again, the Zeitgeist Movemen't "ZDAY 2010" motto was a direct quote taken from Alber Pike, who is regarded as the father of modern freemasonry in the USA.

Pike also founded the KKK and is the only member of the confederacy to have an outdoor statue in Washington, DC.

[dunkafelic]

@dunkafelic correction: I meant Albert Pike of course, not Alber Pike.

[RomulanMastermind]

@dunkafelic

so people should continue to brainlessly to fuck and produce and create problems

yeah, finally someone who understands haghaha

[dunkafelic]

@RomulanMastermind

well apparently we should continue to make assumptions and put words in people's mouths.

[FreeFromWar]

@dunkafelic You're a fucking idiot

[dunkafelic]

@FreeFromWar so what's YOUR IQ judgmental douchebag? based on your comment I'd guess below 100. calling strangers idiots based on one comment you read doesn't seem like the behavior of an intelligent person, making your comment pretty damn ironic (and funny). based on your angry judgmental "analysis" (lol) of my comment, I'd guess that you're not only unintelligent, but also a sheep. those individuals that are able to think for themselves critically can easily see Zeitgeist is a propaganda film.

[dunkafelic]

@FreeFromWar you're a fucking moron.

[Robbob9933]

@dunkafelic One must always keep a close anyone those promissing a utopia. Some RBE jobs, unicorn breeder, jackalope hunter, and pokemon trainer. I bet Jacque got is initial insperation from the original design and intent of EPCOT Center at Disney World. Just a hint, it was never invisioned by Walt as a theme park.

[Xality]

To uploader: All my life I get told I am a ppl person, I help friends and family and never request money as payment, my intentions are pure and benignant. In my head I created TVP, same concept, same way of promoting it, EVERYTHING they do I already worked out on my own years BEFORE I even knew TVP existed, this feels like my idea and I know is the best way forward because it came from my heart, no my need for personal gain or greed. I would die to bring make TVP to our society.

[gortijx]

@poopjuice0

I support both TZM and TVP, but what you just said goes against what you supposedly advocate.. I really CAN see why people look down on the movement. It just goes to show that we are nowhere near being civil yet. It's his opinion, he has a right to voice it.. It does not mean that he's a waste of resources, it's simply a matter of different ideologies.

[putyusss]

One simple question: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?

[ncdangale112]

@tuzmor exactly! thats the hole point! good take :)

[kvlo1986]

But he did give credit to JACQUES, and if he did not, so what? The idea is what matters, all this is ego shit. The idea was spread, all this credentialism shit is stupid. So either he is not watching Peter's movies, or he is going senile. Shame, shame, shame!

[dunskie]

Human beings will always want what they can't have. Grass is always greener...

Funny vid.

[curingaging00]

troll

[OnyxLyrica]

I was looking forward to see something of substance used by you, as it was obvious even before i watched the video you dislike both TZM and TVP.

Unfortunately you failed to deliver. Mainly because you don't know shit about TZm and TVP to start with.

[RDLFLDR]

Nice to see some George Carlin jokes getting ressurected like Lazarus instead of getting wasted ;) But I think other deserve this medical plan more than this dude. It's good to see that Zeitgeist movements & Venus projects can be dogmatic due to ego's of clearly pretty intelligent men. But intelligence can also corrupt u & make u think that you're above any other opinion. So by focussing on it, it means transparancy of views clashing. Use both & you won't be defalted by worshipping and bashing..

[philnoll]

Why you all hating on the guy who made this video? He's just informing you of facts.

[Starbat88]

@philnoll "Peter Joseph packs up his toys and runs off crying."

... yeah, he's just reporting facts...

[philnoll]

@Starbat88 Of course, he's put his own humorous twist on it, but he's not giving false information. You can, or should able to tell where the facts end and the opinions begin. For example, if you really believed that Peter Joseph ran off crying in the literal sense, I question your ability to analyze information. :-)

[Starbat88]

@philnoll Except that Peter Joseph didn't do anything of the sort, even metaphorically. He's still a part of the movement. He hasn't abandoned the core principles that the ZM stands for. The only thing that has changed is the direct association between the ZM and the VP.

This guy is suggesting that it was somehow a critical blow to the very essence of the movement's direction, which is way off the mark.

[philnoll]

@Starbat88 Huh. Good point.

[tweenky420]

I think the nwo manipulated this cuz he was againts the big banks and if he was big banks are part of the illuminati hey only someone out there knows the truth i just like watching all of these conspiracy bs it is fun

[timstillinghast]

the movie came out years ago, it was called THX1138.

[TempleforRebellion]

@truthslice he should of said Jacques Fresco left Z.T.M. but thats old news anyways.

[YouTheory]

Your ALL brain washed who likes this idea. Yes the building designs are great and all but the fundamentals is EVIL! Its Basically WORLD COMMUNISM! Every one monitored, controlled and in part of the Network. Its NEW WORLD ORDER Slavery! With the population chipped and monitored, This reminds me, Terminator Movie and 666 In bible. When you are chipped and monitored its much easier for corrupt person to take control of you and eliminate you from the system if you resist. Fuck Venus Project!

[Ethantheundeadninja]

If you had any inclination it could work then you must see the true sadness that what this gentleman is saying about both movements is true. The civil unrest you see increasing across the world could have been positively nudged this direction but these two were to busy thinking they each had the bigger dick to try to get people together to do anything. Now they both will be epic failures figuring the head of their cults of personality while decent ideas rot on the vine the rest of us could use.

[chloe290983]

You spoil the video by talking ( you sound like my 11 year old brother in a huff, minus the accent). Just abit of constructive criticism! lmfao, 105 dislikes and 23 likes!! C'mon now, Whats that all about?? i feel so wick for you lol. Well as im sure you don't need reminded "god love's a trier" ! By the way I never said to not make the video's anymore. As you can see we all love them!!! lol . Just when i thought there was no good "funny shit" on youtube, theres always you. You fucking tool!

[Nervousification]

@dijjit What's so retarded about him? I consider myself apart of the ZGM and I don't feel anything he said was more than a interpretation of the facts. He said that Peter said the ZGM was not going to be apart of the movie, and interpreted that he was acting like a leader. In truth (By truth, I of course mean my interpretation.) I think he only meant that he would not be apart of a major motion film.

[ocarina2boy]

@choosetolivefree

You're an idiot. This video is right on the money. 'Shift in consciousnes', Yeah right. You're another one of the morons who have been brainwashed by the New Age spiritual cult. Do the Earth a favour and jump off a building.

[ocarina2boy]

Nice video dude.

[MrDasturd]

What's important, is the idea. The simple truth is we do need to move in another direction. They are trying to make this world a better place and like noone else...starting with the roots. To see a punk like you go and upload a video filled with hate and sadistic sarcasm against them. Why?

[914light]

the venus project is evil and has an evil agenda !! runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[bphatboyjohn123]

@choosetolivefree u know pj argues w jacqe and rox, about everything for credit to the film and everything about profit, he called them hyprocrites and controlling people. lol. their just fakes

[chloe290983]

@bphatboyjohn123 What are you on about you balloon???? If your drunk then fair enough. If not then go back to Primary School and learn to Spell. Again, my brother is 11 and even he would laugh at your English. The funniest part is, he was taught in Irish school. lol

[bphatboyjohn123]

@chloe290983 lmao, ohh no a grammar police on youtube, i was making their names smaller, so calm the fuck down, in irish school, u mean ireland, lol. face the facts, don't insult the person, attack the argument, with facts, not insults, makes u look less intelligent about the issue, so don't reply unless u got something smart to say

[ddk992]

excuse me but i donated money for the film and i do not belong to the "zeitgeist movement" nor have i ¡, i understand why making the film is important and that's all.

[123drue]

watch"Peter Joseph Attacks the Venus Project and Roxanne Meadows" on youtube. peter explains everything. Like up for others

[spiderpilot]

You know, I was feeling the same, but I recently I decided to write a letter to both to get my answer from these people before I made my own conclusions, I got an answer from Jacque, but not from Peter. So, if I have to blame somebody for the separation, I will blame Peter Joseph. Sometime we need to get the facts and see how people reacted, before we get to the conclusions.

[Panther31310]

This Video sucks! Spred's false info!

[spiderpilot]

I think we are not ready yet to be a leaderless society, as long there are people acting with a kid mentality that defend their heroes with harsh words, it will not be any change. JF said once, without unity nothing can be accomplish. Many people need to grow up and let their egos aside. The current society is taking advantage of our separation, we are loosing credibility, Stop the hate and work together,dare to do or stay where you are.

[spiderpilot]

Why people instead of insulting like infants, don't realize that there are many people out there who are not taking any side?. Who decide who is right or who is wrong? Why I should believe in JF or PJ, or can I choose both? Why TZM it is a leaderless movement? Why PJ recommend to vote for RP? Are we trying to change society without a government or we try to keep the same current situation?

[changethecurrent]

@amchris66 Hurts being schooled by a retard :O

[changethecurrent]

@poopjuice0 harsh ;)

[bistnenutte]

your heading is misleading and false

[thelion2430]

@changethecurrent i think you have lost your mind :D your theories about what someone thinks..what someone has to think...and who is what...is SHIT...well i think people can speak there minds ( THAT WHAT PETER DID ABOUT THE vp motion picture idea ) i think too it is pointless..DOSE this commend makes me a leader ??? you are stupid pls take this video down that is full of EMPTY CLAIMS, NAME CALLINGS, AND logical fallacies...the way you talk shows that you are some videogames playing retard :D

[mo1912]

Peter Joseph is an extremely intelligent guy and if he cant figure out tTVP there's not much hope for the rest of us .

[thewisevoice]

Damn your and idiot! drink some drano and make the world a better place by dying

[adroxhe]

this is just people with access to this PeoplE to give fake information to the persons that really believe on that this can be done be humanity . . this not means that they are followers of Peter or Jacque, this is not politic lies to control populations, are bout projects the same thing, one have the knowledge to design the structure, and other is showing what is happening and what we must do or stop to do, nothing else, this video is just evidence of people trying to destroy bout persons.

[FABRISON1]

Communism? jajajajaj

[antiHUMANDesigns]

The creater of this video is so butt-hurt. :)

[noodlesmealey]

Adbusters is ananagram for 'subtrades'

Peter Joseph needs a high colonic with most

Of the pacific ocean. Were only in it for the

Coupons.

[freedeanna]

@Sirchimes If I got it wrong about them *promising* a *personal* robot, I stand corrected. I'm fairly confident that they *strongly suggested* they could deliver a future in which robotic technology provides *everyone* with "abundance" of goods and services. So my sarcasm wasn't far from the reality, whereas yours put words in my mouth, suggesting that I was ultra-conservative, capitalist, etc. The only bit that was correct was "I must learn to be realistic", so I expanded the bit we agree on.

[freedeanna]

@Sirchimes No, that's not realistic either. All you're doing there is demonstrating really poor logic. You make several assumptions about what I'm saying, which you set up as straw-man arguments (but don't get too pleased with yourself: you don't know it) to dismiss using non sequiturs (ditto). Like if I said "pet dogs can be vicious", and you replied "Oh, well maybe we should just wipe all the animals off the face of the earth". Learn to think. There are lots of free logic resources online.

[freedeanna]

"I will deliver you from the evils of capitalism. Please donate generously. Your personal robot will be delivered shortly. (Actual reality may differ from illustration. Terms and conditions apply)"

[teddy4216]

hahahaha the end is the best

[123backinyerface]

Fresco is a scam artist, he takes money from morons and just draws pictures of what he thinks the future will look like and that's it...lol.

[bvssvni]

I think we can learn something from this situation. My idea is that we can apply the scientific method to it. What action will be most efficient to move on?

[zeitguy311]

lol

[ianspence2010]

@truthslice This is for anyone. I'm an intelligent person and I think this is a sad situation. I feel that the corruption of the monetary system encouraged viewers to want the world as envisioned by the Venus Project. Without TZM the Venus project is dead and without the TVP the Zeitgeist movement will be no more than a whimper. Its a shame; the corrupt governments have won long beore having to break into a sweat. They didn't need to destroy it, it destroyed itself!

[st3jace]

@ianspence2010 lol! You know it's all an illusory reality when everything turns into a fuckin joke, and it has surely begun to. Someone somewhere took a gigantic shit on this reality matrix and now we're having to clean it off. That's the reality, we're still in the cleaning turds phase. As soon as people get out of personality and into energy work, which is the true scientific method via fact of quality in energy efficiency and love vibratory frequency, we'll be alright.

[st3jace]

Respond to this video... lot of us are gonna die on the way there. BE YOUR OWN JESUS PEOPLE! that foo was a carpenter, that means we make shit up dude, roll with it.

[rhth79]

@ianspence2010 It's not like you can simply implement such a society anyways. It seems like a good framework but don't we have to start from where we are now, such as moving towards a social democracy for example? Seems to me anything resembling the VP would have to evolve over time and it starts with the current system representing the people who vote in it.

[ManlySlut]

Peter stated the Zeitgeist Movement will not help the Venus Project because Peter, AS WELL AS OTHERS, found the idea of a motion picture to be stupid, and don't want to be a part of it.

This is only prior to the split.

The main point of the split is the fact that the Venus Project feel they aren't given enough credit, and want money to promote their idea of a moneyless society. You see the flaw?

Peter called bullshit and has since disbanded with them.

[sajinmaster]

lmao well said my friend, lets hope they can stop whining and work together again

[maverickfreespirit]

Maybe there is new world order behind the ZM or the VP. I hope not becouse I am not thinking of myself or the machines doing the work while I have a good time. I am thinking of the disadvantaged majority who have no inkling of what goes on but just have a shit life on our behalf. I want the system changed for them with my fight for their corner

[johnyboy6405]

@johnyboy6405 But Peter refers to TV Pand Jacque in Moving Forwad.

[BboyKeny]

Do you know indept everything about the venus project? did you read the best that money can't buy? do you know how far technology is right now? Do you know how the machines and systems work in tvp? its just some question i'm not saying that you dont know these things that why I am asking.

Peter should listen to jacque why he wants a motion picture and jacque should listen to peter why he doesn't want to support it. resolve conflict dont just say i am right and you are wrong

[SuperKevinheart]

lol I had to laugh the last statement was funny

[MsAlqamar]

shaking my head...moving on to find another movement to get behind where the leaders aren't fighting publicly amongst each other

[Snowmurai]

although i feel a lot towards TVP and TZM, I must give you this, there is nothing wrong with your sense of humor!

[sirjameskush]

zeitgeist movement knows nothing!!!! haha the new jacque fresco motto ;