for God's sake, Allegretto, Allegretto! this is around 50 bpm! LARGO!
either Beethoven was crazy and idiot, or they're completely misunderstanding his purpose... or maybe musical tempo understanding is different, I don't know. This is not fore sure an allegretto, but a much more slow tempo
@newFranzFerencLiszt Actually, an allegretto in Beethoven's time could denote either a fast or a slow tempo, and Berlioz noted that this movement was nearly always called an Andante or Adagio. Beethoven's own metronome marking is 76 BPM, which is a far cry from an allegro (about 138 BPM). That said, I think Furtwangler is a tad bit too slow here; his 1943 recording is more appropriately paced.
@shellac1925 where did you read that? I'm not an expert, but this "sounds" not allegretto... I think that Karajan's is the rightest one. I'm quite young too, so I've listened to this piece so many times in my life: all of them were nearly at this tempo. But, a day, by chance, I've me him, and, wow, I've got it! that's enlightening! maybe we can find compromise with Bernstein's one?
I love the name "Wilhelm Furtwangler". This piece is magnificent!!!! The guy up front looks suspiciously like Art Garfunkle, and a bit like Ed Koch too. Separated at birth - or something like it.
My mom was a ballerina with the Berlin State Opera when Furtwangler was its conductor (and later when von Karajan took over). Hearing this now has brought holiness to the beginning of my day. Thank you!
Beautiful.
GeoJDr 2 weeks ago
for God's sake, Allegretto, Allegretto! this is around 50 bpm! LARGO!
either Beethoven was crazy and idiot, or they're completely misunderstanding his purpose... or maybe musical tempo understanding is different, I don't know. This is not fore sure an allegretto, but a much more slow tempo
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 month ago
@newFranzFerencLiszt Actually, an allegretto in Beethoven's time could denote either a fast or a slow tempo, and Berlioz noted that this movement was nearly always called an Andante or Adagio. Beethoven's own metronome marking is 76 BPM, which is a far cry from an allegro (about 138 BPM). That said, I think Furtwangler is a tad bit too slow here; his 1943 recording is more appropriately paced.
shellac1925 1 month ago
@shellac1925 where did you read that? I'm not an expert, but this "sounds" not allegretto... I think that Karajan's is the rightest one. I'm quite young too, so I've listened to this piece so many times in my life: all of them were nearly at this tempo. But, a day, by chance, I've me him, and, wow, I've got it! that's enlightening! maybe we can find compromise with Bernstein's one?
despite all, this mvmt is a real enigma for me
thanks for explaining
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 month ago
@newFranzFerencLiszt So you know Beethoven's purpose or intention? :D
darchr90 11 hours ago
This is not slow... The other recordings are fast
Bunuel90 2 months ago
no, i take that back , this is not slow. it's mega slow.
tmc359 2 months ago
boy this is slow...
tmc359 2 months ago
I love the name "Wilhelm Furtwangler". This piece is magnificent!!!! The guy up front looks suspiciously like Art Garfunkle, and a bit like Ed Koch too. Separated at birth - or something like it.
heavnnnsent 3 months ago
Great Musician, Great Conductor. Fucking competitions killed music now.
classicalmusiclive 4 months ago
clean but not the best..
elininkoru77 4 months ago
@elininkoru77
And WHO is the best then?
MarmotteHamster 4 months ago
not the best..
elininkoru77 4 months ago
Furtwängler is definitely for me the conductor who could understand Beethoven the best. Simply divine!
Thanks for uploading.
dystoone 6 months ago 2
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citzie 8 months ago
Nothing and nobody can ever reach the genius of Furtwängler,....ask Beethoven.
Thank you for uploading.
askbrahms 1 year ago 6
My mom was a ballerina with the Berlin State Opera when Furtwangler was its conductor (and later when von Karajan took over). Hearing this now has brought holiness to the beginning of my day. Thank you!
citzie 1 year ago
To this day, this is the ONLY recording that has elicited more of an emotional response than Karajan's recording, for me anyway. Thank you.
capncoolio 1 year ago
wow, that was immense! thank you for uploading! :)
liom101 1 year ago