William Wilberforce - The Great Debate

[EmyVega]

Esta pelicula realmente me toco el corazon. Son realidades que se deberian de seguir ensenando a nuestros hijos para que se den cuenta de lo terrible que es el discrimen racial

[gnata]

this has nothing to do with philantrophy or dignity of those poor africans in bondage.

the Real heros are those africans who fought for their freedom , I mean ,it is not because western History make due to some goddam oppressors that we should do the same , think a little , use your brain for this time .

[gnata]

these europeans are really full of themselves, An african Historian said : The reasons that allow europeans to creat slavery over millions of africans are the same that help them to end it , these reasons essentialy are profit, profit and ...huh did I mention profit ? Wilberforce was an filthy opportunist who just followed the ideas of Adam smith a well-know economist who promoted the use of poor workers than the one of african slaves because it cost less on the long run ( who said profit ???)

[gnata]

Yeah, and I will keep on paste it everywhere I'll encounter this big lie of wilberforce the liberator of black slaves, the truth should be exposed !

[Boccherini64]

Okay you carry on you graceless idiot!

[gnata]

Well who is graceless here ?! the one who have no ideaof what he is talking about, who never read about this subject and the real goal of this ridiculous propaganda or the one who have a clear idea of all that crap? Graceless minds use to run aay from knowledge, so keep on running.

[ItsJoeyhere]

A filthy opportunist? He campaigned his entire life for the end of slavery. While most of the country profited from transatlantic slavery economically he still fought for change. He even prevented his daughter from marrying into a wealthy family on the sole grounds that the family had some buisness ties to sugar produce in america.

[ItsJoeyhere]

How can you possibly argue that slavery was more expensive than labour from a consenting workforce, and that Wilberforce devoted his entire life to this futile aim, he wouldent have anything to gain from this economic bullshit you describe in that comment. Seriously maybe next time comment on a subject you actually have some knowlege about instead of talking bullshit.

[gnata]

The fact that you guys are seeing just the philantropic side of the matter doesn't mean that the main reason of the abolishment of slavery was that very reason. If slavery were in the begining a matter of economy, let be logic and objective to think that his abolishment was forced by some economical reasons too. Marginally we can argue some philantropic reasons but mostly the real reasons are Economics.Wilberforce ? He is just a puppy-politician ready to sell the new slavery: Colonialism

[TheSoundjataKeita]

Yeah I see, you're not educated enough to have this very chance to read Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations", you'll be surprise to realize that free labour is cheaper than slaves labour in the long term.Poor era where dummies think they know best

[sealie15]

@TheSoundjataKeita - exactly. The only "freed' the slaves for economic reasons so industrialized work can be the new standard. 

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@sealie15,this propaganda about Wilberforce should stop.Slavery was the main tool that helps what we call now Capitalism to emerge,with the money created by the enlavement of Africans western countries were able to build a strong new economy based on technologies,the steam machine and many others inventions were made with the money from Slavery (read Eric Williams).In economy a whole field can died because it's no longer needed,slavery died because machines and free labor were more profitable

[thebestnameeverever]

@TheSoundjataKeita

You realise that Eric Williams' theories are not generally accepted by most modern historians. As a history student who has studied this subject, modern historians agree that Wilberforce is overly emphasised by his contempories, but equally, most disregard Williams' thesis as an unconvincing argument. Many in fact have argued the slave trade was at its most productive during the campaign for Abolition. To disregard the abolitionists proves a lack of understanding on your part

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@thebestnameeverever, 1.) It's not because Dr Williams theory is not "generally" accepted it does worth nothing. Knowing how europeans have manipulated History for their glory for years now I'd be surprised if your "Modern Historians" said something different.To understand the economic side of the Slavery system you need tools and knowledge in economics otherwise it's just ideology, and in this field it's a "I say - You say" thing !

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@thebestnameeverever 2.) In economy a whole field can died because it's no longer profitable as It's supposed to be, risk of revolts of slaves in England and in the plantations, difficulties for the slaveships and their crews to get some new slaves. The profit in economic is always related to the risk, if the risk is too high whatever the profit that business will died slowly, the profit is a function of the risk.In the island free labor was much cheaper than slavery in the long term...

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@thebestnameeverever 3.) Commerce was more profitable (less risk) than slavery, G-B was the super power in the world so they didn't want to see other nations outshined them (specially France) they patrolled in the high waters to make sure this business stoped. It was more profitable and less risky do business (sell them sh..t) with Africans than to take them out Africa, slavery became Colonization. Please read: Klah Popo (Histoire des traites Negrières).

[thebestnameeverever]

@TheSoundjataKeita Granted you make valid points. These theories have truth inthem. After all if you listen Pitt or Wilberforce's speeches in parliament they major on economic reasons for Abolition. However I think its equally wrong to suggest that the majority believed this viewpoint during the debates.Britain, after Beligium (who were only small in the slave trade) were the second nation to Abolish it. The Abolitionists should be given credit, for they stood up against the majority at the time

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@thebestnameeverever,the only persons that deserve the credit for the abolition of this non sense are these enslaved freedom fighters Africans,who better than them were more concerned about their own freedom?They fought not because economically speaking slavery was bad or non profitable,they fought because it's a crime against humanity to put people in slavery, period,I praise King Amador, Dessalines, Nat Turner, Mrs Tubman, and all these illustrious unknown by History, no Wilberforce there !

[javie2]

@TheSoundjataKeita Your knowledge of history is Zero so stop making a fool of yourself. You might hate it but The abolition of the slave trade, thanks to Wilberforce, was the turning point for the end of slavery.Wilberforce had the clout, the network, and the personal conviction to make a social change on his time putting on the line his social position and wealth. So his accomplishment far suspasses to anything done by the people you mentioned.

[TheSoundjataKeita]

@javie2, And from Uruguay you think you can teach me that part of my History ? lol

[javie2]

@TheSoundjataKeita It takes research, objectivity and common sense. This is not a political debate. These are facts and it's just how the world works. The people who can make historical changes in any historical event are usually the people in positions of power. And that happens today as it happened 5,000 years ago. It's called reality.

[gnata]

So if he prevented a slaver to marry his daughter of doing so, good for him and his image! You shoud definitly read Alexis de Tocqueville (De la démocratie en amerique) you can find this book in English too, he is an contemporary of that perfiod of history, means he saw what was going on, he was living during that period so he has a better point of view on that matter, You can also read Dr Eric Williams ( Capitalis & Slavery).

Slavery was no more profitable that's why GB abolished it.

[princegodstar]

Hello,Im reading your comments on William W.-Im not that educated on this matter,but what you are saying about him ive never heard.If this man is not what the American press is making of him,I and a great number of people would like to no.

[azer1990]

he was the inspiration behind many people such as martin luther king, malcom x (well not da fighting part anyway) but he gave people the chance to changed things and so people did.

[underdog92z]

God Bless William Wilberforce

[boxswana]

he enacted many acts under the regard which regarded insolvency which in regard was enacted by frugality off certain members who forgot who they were never consign our thought thank you we were broke

[zzxzqwq]

Wilberforce was a independent MP. Not a tory as the pro slave trading tories claim. In fact it was the whig party who got rid of slavery nopt the evil tories.

[melegrl3140]

ugh im so sad that their is still slavery today i really want it abolished!

[americanpolitic1]

Abolished. But 1:48 is hardly time to argue.

[burstangel101]

hmm, he seem like a good guy, i only came here id because i need to do an intro for him in social studies

[scj16]

WE need more politicians like him!

[GAIUSJULIUSCAESAR]

William Wilberforce you rule!!!

YOU ARE MY IDOL!!

YOU ARE BETTER THAN GHANDI!!