Lol,im not greek,neither an albanian but you guys are so stupid.How the hell you albanians can say that your languange is the mother of languanges ?You are sick of shits,its sad.
am sorry but wich Greek language is the mother of languages?? today greek or the Hellenik Greek??becouse the today Greek language is not the same as the ancient ones...
is like u have thrown the nlanguage of ur 4fathers out and now u call on it..or perhaps today Greeks have nothing in commen with the ancient ones as the ancient ones spook the Pelasg-Illyrian language wich is today the Albanian language...look at thsi Book
Albanian language the Key of Indo-Europien languages
shakesperean english or todays english? they are not the same? if u cannot understand that a language evolves then we cannot help you. If you cannot also understand that 80% of your albanian language is loaned from your neighbours and the rest related to the caucuses area then again you cannot be helped
you are an albanian do you realise that?you dont have the right to speak,you dont belong to europe you living in a dream,you call your self Pelasg-Illyrian and albania is nation from 1924 or wherever.Wake up you dont have electricity or even water in your country and all europe calling you thieves and disgusting
Like all languages the Greek language evolved to what we see today..It is the most documented in the world..The Greek alphabet is still used as did our ancient forefathers...Your an Albo whos talking crap about a language that is not only older then this mixed and mongrelized albanian language..What we know about the Illyrian language or the Pelasgians..If anything they were also Greeks...Albanian language the key???,,more like the language that adpoted words from all others.
May contemporary Greeks, in the knowledge of the awesome and unmatched accomplishments of their ancestors, also remember how greatly their ancestors frowned on hubris.
Night is a Greek word. Since old english people used to pronounce every letter in a word it would sound like neehkt. In Greek it is neehkta. Neehkta means night. Thank you very much Greece :)
In Greek mythology, Nyx was the primordial goddess of the night. A shadowy figure, Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thanatos (death). Her appearances in mythology are sparse, but reveal her as a figure of exceptional power and beauty.
Nyx lurks in the background of other cults. Thus there was a statue called "Nyx" in the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus. The Spartans had a cult of Sleep and Death, conceived of as twins (Paus. 3.18.1). Cult titles composed of compounds of nyx- are attested for several gods, most notably Dionysus Nyktelios "nocturnal" (Paus. 1.40.6) and Aphrodite Philopannyx "who loves the whole night" (Orphic Hymn 5)
there is no writing of the indouropean because it is simply too old. The first languages that were documented were the Anatolian Hittitic and then the Greek and then the Sanskrit.
The fact that the proto-Indo_european is not written does not make it non existent, as the fact that the ProtoGermanic does not have a written record does not make it non Existent. VERY FEW LANGUAGES out of the thousands of human languages have been documented, a tiny fraction only!
so there fore if we base only on xronology of documentation we cannot say for sure. what will show us for sure is etymologically what created which? so far it all goes back to greek...on on that note...goodnight
another question. if there is no writing how do we know it existed? again it comes back to all things stemming from one origin. so far that origin is being proven to be greek
we know the Indoeuropean existed because the science of linguistics has recreated it, much of it based on our language which is the oldest existing in written format, but then also in Latin, Saskrit and even now the more obscure languages arround the eurasiatic area where they are spoken. Again a great book is the one I mentioned before. It is easy to read and it is an eye opener. The Oxford dictionary of the Indoeuropeans and the Indoeuropean language
How did they recreate it is the question!They have no proof of its existence and absolutely no writing to supply a basis to its recreation!Any theory no matter how nice it seems and realistic has to refer to a basis!When u recreate a language out of nowhere i don't call that recreating but creating a language out of existant ones!You can fix a sculpture or a vase out of pieces but if you make it all by yourself then that is new!So oxford yale or stanford doesn't count!No proof to its existence!!
i grammiki B einai i prwti prospatheia grafis tis ellinikis glwssas, einai i katagrafi tis glwssas twn Achaiwn Ellinwn, kai to grapsimo proerhetai apo tin grammiki A pou einai eteocretan language, non Greek.
grammatiki is being shown to be the precursor to linear b. anyhow its late so i will bid you goodnight. please post what u like and i will answer when im back online. thank you for the conversation
aleph beth gimmel, einai semitika, emeis ta prosarmosame stin glwssa mas kai ta eksygxronisame. I symbole mas einai terastia, alla na min to paratrabame me anypostates ypervoles san tous Skopianous, emeis den ehoume anangi na klepsoume apo tin doxa allwn. Mia hara eimaste!
and maybe you need to read the Oxford dictionary of the Indoeuropeans and the Indoeuropean language, and leave the semetics alone...they are a different language tree all together!
and u need to explain to me where the existence of an indo european root? was it a people a culture? where are the inscriptions? is it not safe to say that if all languages stem from greek then greek is the indo european? the beginning of creation is adam? adam=atomo=atom? the world is much bigger my friend than the oxford dictionary
Η ελληνικη ειναι γλωσσα κλαδι της μεγαλης Ινδο-Ευρωπαικης οικογενειας Γλωσσων και συγγενευει με τα Σανσκριτικα, τα Γερμανικα, τα Λατινικα, τα Σλαυικα, αλλα οχι πχ με τα Τουρκικα η τα Αραβικα.
what has happened is that after the cultural dominance of Greek culture in ancient times, all other languages, starting with Latin massively addopted words from our language. This is not bad, since through this infussion, languages that used to be unable to express meanings of higher civilization value, languages of farmers and nomads now were able to become literary languages, liek Latin, Slavonic, Germanic etc
Writers such as Kikeron, Takitos, Cointilianos, Tyrannion in their writings have clearly mentioned "Περί της Ρωμαικής Διαλέκτου ότι εστίν εκ της Ελληνικής", (the Roman dialect has derived from the Greek) or "Aeolica ratione est sermo noster simillibus" (our language is very similar to the Aeolic dialect). Previous and present scientists, writers and researchers are aware that the mother language of all of Western languages is the Greek language
Εαν θεωρησουμε το μνημειωδες εργο της ακαδημιας Αθηνων Η Ιστορια του Ελληνικου Εθνους σαν σωστο στις βασεις του, και ειναι, τοτε θα πρεπει να δεχτουμε οτι οι Ελληνες ηλθαμε στον χωρο μας μεταξυ 2100 και 1950, συμφωνα και με τα αρχαιλογικα ευρηματα.
δεν μπορουμε να μιλαμε για ΚΑΜΙΑ γλωσσα σαν κομβικη Ινδοευρωπαικη , οπως δεν μπορουμε να μιλαμε και για καμια Γερμανικη διαλεκτο σαν κομβικη, ολες ειναι ισοτιμοι κλαδοι του ιδιου δενδρου
you are still not proving anything to me you are merely saying that they migrated. the fact is clearly that you can say for sure because it can be proven...and quite easily i might add
το απο που ηλθαν οι πρωτοι Ελληνες δεν ειναι κατι που μπορει ευκολα να απαντηθει, αλλα οικαζεται πως ο τελευταιος σταθμος μας ισως ηταν οι πεδιαδες της παννωνιας (ουγγαρια). σιγουυρα δεν ειχαμε λεξη για την θαλασσα.
Just thinking about fictional languages like klingon, quenya, sindarin, orcish or Constructed language like esperanto, ido or interlingua it is obvious that greek/helenic is not the mother of ALL languages. Their words are totally different from these we have in real languages. But grammaticaly ALL languages(incl. these fictional/constructed) are distinguishable into just a few groups.
i havent rejected ur comments just havent logged in often to reply. but i see ur still posting ridiculous miscalculations. i promised however so long as people talk civily the comments will be allowed no matter how absurd. so i thank you for ur civility and will keep allowing ur posts but ask u to please post something that is valid...ps. klingon is make believe my friend
is Greek substantially different from the latin languages? I'm looking at a language to take(as a hobby. I'm thinking Farsi but this has put Greece into my head.lol Anyon tried Rosseta Stone?
Writers such as Kikeron, Takitos, Cointilianos, Tyrannion in their writings have clearly mentioned "Περί της Ρωμαικής Διαλέκτου ότι εστίν εκ της Ελληνικής", (the Roman dialect has derived from the Greek) or "Aeolica ratione est sermo noster simillibus" (our language is very similar to the Aeolic dialect). Previous and present scientists, writers and researchers are aware that the mother language of all of Western languages is the Greek language
You said that "academics are slowly moving to the conclusion that greek is the mother of all". Well they're not slowly moving toward that conclusion, they moved toward it AGES ago. It has been known for MILLENIA that Greek has influenced a wide range of languages just as English is doing so today. The ancient Latin speakers respected Greek because it was the lingua franca for so long. The Greek Empire stretched to India. You make it sound like some new scientific finding, lol.
The thing is that greek being present in any language today is a fact !! Still common belief is that greek is inspired by phoenician !! And theories about an indoeuropean language mother of all languages !! at least that what is todays' people learning at school when the reality of the first language on earth being greek is for some reason held aside !!
it has been held aside for a long time now but many academics have come to understand that they can no longer deny it. there will be a video coming shortly that will explain much more...stay tuned :)
Phoenician was influenced by Greek first and Greek was also influenced by Phoenician at a latter stage. The word Greek is latin, so it did not even exist in that early stage. We speak of Ellinika (i.e. Greek). We call our country Ellas and not Greece! Actualy
The name Graecus (Γραικός - whence Greece) just as the name Hellen (Ἕλλην - whence Hellas - Ἑλλάς) comes from the mythical times of Deucalion (both are sons of Deucalion), and is connected with age (geraios -old- γηραιός), which is an epithet honoring the priests of Dodona....
Thalatta! Thalatta! ("The Sea! The Sea!") was the shouting of joy when the roaming 10,000 Greeks saw Euxeinos Pontos (the Black Sea) from Mount Theches (Θήχης) in Armenia after participating in Cyrus the Younger's failed march against Persian Empire in the year 401 BC. The mountain was only a five days' march away from the friendly coastal city Trapezus. The story is told by Xenophon in his Anabas
The name Hellen comes also from an epithet belonging to the priests of Dodona (Σελλοί - Selloi). Sel- and hel- are connected as in selas and helios (sun), they have to do with illumination. (Liddel-Scott-Jones etymological dictionary)
sygnomin gia to anoesies, min to perneis ybristika, alla pare tin lexi me tin archiki tis enoia...oti den skeftikes auta pou egrapses. Giati, i alethia einai pws den to epsaxes, den to ereuneses deontws to thema.
sebwan i warn you for a final time. make rude characterisations and u will be blocked completely. if you have a valid arguement son backed up with references then make it. ur f's and ur c's will not be tolerated here
Actually I'm sorry that it must end that way. When I came here first, we could make a good discussion. But then came nixter888 with his flames. And he made me become more and more angry. And thus it ended in a flame war. (I don't understand till now why u've allowed his two last comments).
PS: If you doubt my german origin, why can I speak german perfectly and not turkish, albanian, macedonian, greek or similar?
actually sebwan i would prefer not to block you. i welcome enquiry so long as it is done within civilised boundaries. make your point, give me references and i will allow and answer and let others answer so long as they too are civilised in their responses. speaking german doesnt necessarily make you german but at the end of the day i really dont care. it is irrelevant.
i allowed nixters comments because i understand his frustration. what was meant as academic enquiry has rounded up a lynch mob. it befuddles me as to why....
I don't mind if you block me. I said what i know and what i think, but no one here did really listen. Do you really want to support this system of censorship?...
that is incorrect. where are your points of reference? where are your validations? your list of german technological inventions and the insinuation that you founded the modern world is not academic enquiry. its mocking. you are welcome to stay so long as you discuss with the same respect i offer you....
and so long as the only valid argument that is offered is what they want to do to my mother, flavoured with the usual barrage of f's and c's, yes i will support this system of censorship...
Actually now i am some kind of frustrated. How many proofs or references do i still have to throw after everyone till someone believes me? Should i proof that santa clause exists or that pigs can fly first till someone believes me? Or what?
of all the ignorance & blind hatred there is on youtube, the comments here are the worst. this is academic enquiry u moronic imbeciles. what r u fucks? linguists to knock it without at least trying to understand it? to ask any questions about it? fkn hateful & spiteful anal shits. well done learn2befree. dont let these losers stop u from asking ur hows and whys
either you did not see the video in its entirety or you are ignoring it. Please read up on linear B and linear A text which has been proven to predate phoenician showing that phonecian traders adopted Greek text and reintroduced it later back to greece. this idea of phoenicans giving greek their language is based solely on the writings of Herodotus which have been proven incorrect as he could not have known of the existence of linear A or B.
Is this stupidity or illiteracy? Most of the European languages are based on Greek. But the Eastern ones are something else. They existed before the Greeks. The cuneiform writing also existed before the Greek civilization.
Read history as it is. See the facts. Then, we can discuss again.
cuneiform was never a language my friend as there is no need to remind you. im still guessing you have no idea of linear a and b nor its relationship with the modern alphabet. pity
The Greek Government teaches that the Greeks took their writing from the Phoenicians. This is what they write in school books. History itself writes it. So, I suppose I'll trust them.
you mean like book burning and censorship that is common in countries like albania and fyrom? no thanks. what conspiracy theory is being proposed here i wander? hmm amazing how minds with an agenda never talk with references and valid sources
actually no its fact. does kafka ring a bell? i could easily use many others germany too included though i doubt very much you are of german origin. in any case the use of these two in particular are due to the fact that they above all others have made it their mission to demean hellenism and its contribution to the world so it was only fitting. but one needs to ask the question then, is this your whole arguement?
if you are to make a comment such as this then please include the full context and not partially what u would like others to see. i rejected ur comment because of a groundless statement made linking pelasgians to albanians. find proof of where u came from first before throwing ur assumptions here as gospel truth. Maybe i am a coward but never in front of the truth...
as this video has nothing to do with albanians i would appreciate that you do not bring politics here. as for the video it will be made soon enough. unfortunately life gets in the way of enjoyable passtimes...
"i would appreciate that you do not bring politics here"
You should have thought about that when you were naming this video "Greek - Mother of all languages". You should be clear in your mind that just this title turning out the greek language as craddle of every spoken language pulls all kind of racists and fanatics(see nixter's comments)
And for your information: I'm neither greek nor turkish, albanian, macedonian or similar. I'm german and hating all kind of propaganda! Get it?
so let me get this straight.we are not to call something by its true name because it offends ur political correctness to have everyone equals?im sorry i was taught to call a spade a spade no matter what ur nationality or disposition.i have much admiration for the german people but do not confuse academic enquiry with political intent. i cannot be responsible for other peoples attitude i can only control my own as should u.if someone is to be racist trust me academia is not going to stop them.
Not calling it by its true name? Well learn2befree it's that your cognitition are heavily conflicting with mime and that of most of other people. If I search google for "mother of all languages" I'll get at least five languages being mentioned to be such. For example the arabic language: alislam. org/topics/arabic. And all claimers(for all languages) are entwine speaking this language as mother language and/or living in a country with that language. This does also include the greek language.
agreeed that all languages are intertwined. what you must understand however is that to get to the core, the concept of word structure and how things are put together must be considered and studied. it is here where the sifting between adopted and created can be determined. and in this concept and relationship to the world around them the hellenic language is unique
... Well what I'm trying to say is that it is very difficult, nearly impossible to find non-nationalistic-influenced and non-biased sources to whom I can say that they are reliable and don't have any propagandistic intention.
Do you know the "virtual wars" on youtube and other areas on the internet? Greeks vs Turks vs Albanians vs Macedonians (did I forget some?) featuring factoidal propaganda videos, insulting videos(e.g. the atatürk one) and heavy flaming in the comment areas?
yes i am aware of them. what does this have to do with this discussion? anyhow, i do not enjoy slanderous videos. i do however put much store in videos that show academic enquiry to claims made, the academic questioning of this video included...
"yes i am aware of them. what does this have to do with this discussion?"
Well i don't want to point my finger directly at you, but let us see your published videos on youtube: "Bring Back the greeks", "MACEDONIA IS GREEK", "Editing the greeks out of history".
that i am interested in greek history that i have a passion for it that i back up everything i say with academia is not a secret nor a mystery. it has everything to do with this discussion because it seems that you make comments based on nothing but the agenda u acuse me of...
I SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!I GAVE YOU MANY EXAMPLES!!!GREEK LANGUAGE IS INDEED THE MOTHER LANGUAGE!!!Truth never hurts!!!I AM NOT GOING CLOSE MY EYES TO THE TRUTH,and be afraid to be call a racist,by people like YOU!!!YOU AND OTHER SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH,ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!YOUR LIES,AND VICIOUS SLANDERS AGAINST THE GREEK NATION,from some of your ARROGANT GERMANS should stop right now!!!
hmm i wonder if joseph yahuda was a nationalist when he said that his jewish language is derived from greek. heres a question for you to answer. where have i ever stated that i was greek? i read your channel by the way. seems to me academic enquiry has been pushed aside for a very huge grudge
i write in english because it exists and is the language that i have learnt. my native language. how does this negate that a huge percentage of it stems from the greek language? how does it also negate that the latin part doesnt either? i dont ask you to accept this video. i do however ask you to consider it and if it is wrong show me where. so far u have done nothing but complain...
LOOK WHO IS TALKING ABOUT RACISM!!!A GERMAN!!!THE MOST RACIST NATION ON EARTH!!!!WE THE GREEKS,gave the civilization to the world,..YOU are the ONE WHO IS arrogant!!!THE GREEKS ARE THE FIRST AREIAN= ARYAN NATION OF THE WORLD!!YOU TURNED TO BE THE FANTASIED ONE, to think that you are the best!!! TAKE IT EASY!!!WE ARE THE REAL ONES!!!OUR LANGUAGE IS the original language on earth!!!!Like it or not!!!
it must be in the way that you are learning it. If you begin with the english words that are derived from Greek you will gain confidence. there are many. From there you will be in a better position to tackle the grammar... good luck
Neil Risch -- Stanford university, Alberto Piazza -- University of Torino and L.L. Cavalli -- Sforza -- University of Stanford.
studies from 7 scientific researches which include work from academics from Baghdad, Moscow, Italy, U.S. published in the U.S. magazine for Human Genetics.
study done by J. Lawrence Angel on skeletal material from Paleolithic to modern times
in respect to Hellas...99.5% continuity
seems only albanians regardless of proof know the truth
it is very hard for inferior races such as albomonkeys and turks they dont seem to understand what it means to be greek and what greeks have done for the world LONG LIVE GREECE learn2bfree well done
The Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity."
-David Lloyd George, 1914 (British Statesman and Prime Minister)
my, my, we either have the inquisition or this is a witch hunt of sorts. today's request???
For the sake of not being repetitive, you will be patient my dear oberon for the next video to come out soon, as i have requested. If i have not answered by then, all of the questions im sure you have on your list, then you are welcome to confront me with the knowledge you are keen to show us....
OK, I'll wait. I'm not running a witch hunt or an inquisition, nor am I keen to show off any knowledge. I disagree with your point of view and I'm just curious to understand it to see if I am mistaken.... take care ;-)
I don't understand your point! I AM TELLING YOU,THAT FIRST HUMAN CAME OUT OF GREECE,and NOT OUT OF AFRICA,..and you are telling me that i smoke something?..why do you believe in the theory of Africa,and not the theory of Greece?
people please. this is not a place to mud sling. We each have our opinions and our theories on this topic which i happen to think is an interesting one. what proof we can offer will be beneficial for all. what names we call each other can only take away from our individual characters...
Where humans came from has nothing to do with the language???? Right, because they did not interact with each other then, they just shouted at each other. Oh, yes, Nixter88 you are funny, "humans came from Greece" now that is some funny shit. Tell me what you smoke because I want some of that. You are not dumb after all, you know where to get the good stuff.
if you are patient i will be making a video on the whole topic. evolutuion from pot marks to Linear A, phoenician script and linear B. I will include as much bibliography for you as is possible in a 10 min video. once this is available i will be only too happy to discuss the topic with you in further detail. I am not beyond learning so i always welcome academic enquiry providing it is not founded by unreasonable nationalism.
I'll go through them day by day, it's a long video and raises many interesting points.
The first point that concerns me is that you nominate Cretan Linear A as being Greek language. To my knowledge, only Linear B has been deciphered (and proven to be an early Greek dialect). Linear A has not yet been fully deciphered and it is not certain that it is a Greek dialect. Who is your source? Is my information out of date?
Gobsmacked??? By this term I am assuming that you are intending on debating the information presented in this video. If so then you are more than welcome to state your objections clearly and concisely so that we may analyse your points like civilized human beings and not feral animals.
Making assumptions of nationalism does nothing constructive for academic enquiry. Labels of assumed motive only make the accuser look foolish.
Firstly, interesting hypothesis, I'd like to see your bibliography, learn2bfree, as I find your claims to be totally outrageous. Let us see your scholarship, not wrong-headed, pseudo-nationalistic propaganda. [she said mixing her greek with her latin].
Secondly, nixter, "ignorant" is an adjective. If you want to use the construction "ο αμαθής", by all means do so. But remenber that the English construction would take only the noun "ignoramus" ;-)
YOU ARE MISTAKEN!!!!THE PROTOLEXIS IS GNO, GNOSIS,GNWRIZW..and NEGATIVE... =AGNWROS,AGNOW,.=I AM AN IGNORANT,... ...AMATHHS=ADIDAKTOS=HIM WHO DID NOT STUDY!
I see your point, but you have not seen mine. I'll agree that Greek is an excellent language for showing shades of meaning. If you are speaking or writing in English, you need to know the difference between constructions that take nouns and constructions that take adjectives or you run the risk of being seen as what you are calling others.
Also, please mind your manners. Did I shout at you? Why are you so angry?
...Ignorant,the proto-indoeuropean language ..IS GREEK!!!DO YOU UNDERSTAND?...STOP CALLING IT PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN...IT'S PROTO-GREEK=THE OLD GREEK!!!!THERE IS NOT PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN!
..the word DENKEN derived from the Greek verb MANTHANW=i learn the art of knowing,hence MATHEMA,MATHEMATICS,MATHESIS.The root word is OIDA=i know ,i have knowledge ,i am thinking.EIDEMAI=to know.fROM THE WORD manthanw,THE WORD MAN was derived too...him who thinks.
Humans did not come from Africa!This THEORY IS LONG DEAD!!!!The white race came out of Greece,from triglia halkidikis!!!The Archanthropos Trillianesis is 12.000.000 years old!!!some 9.000.000 older than lusy,the chimpanzee!....the first homo-sapient is 800.000 years old,and it comes from the cave of petralona halkidikis GREECE!!!NOT OUT OF AFRICA!
Das mit dem ersten menschen aus afrika WEISS ICH NICHT, aber das die ganzen sprachen aus dem griechischen erfolgt sind ist die wahrheit... das sage ich dir hier als mensch zu mensch... die griechen werden sogar kläglich unterschätzt... man fand beweise in amerika das sie die ersten dort waren die von europa über den atlantik nach amerika gereist sind
1."denken" became to "think" over many stations and hundreds/thousands of years.
2. Latin and Greek ARE BOTH derived from the PIE-language. There are just a few similarities between Greek and Latin. And if there are some, they are all in all likelihood derived from the PIE.
3. You don't really want to deny in all seriousness that the humans came from africa, do you?!
The Cumae alphabet was a western variant of the early Greek alphabet used between the 8th to 5th cent's BC. It was specifically used in Euboea(including the towns of Cumae and Chalkis)and anywhere west of Athens, especially in the Greek colonies of southern Italy. It was this variant that gave rise to the Old Italic alphabets, including the Latin alphabet.
Helmut Engelmann. Die Inschriften von Kyme (=Inschriften griechischer Städte aus Kleinasien 5)
It is not coincidence that the aftermath of the Sea-People invasions saw the Semites of the Levantine coast with different style of script, nor is it coincidence that the setting up of trading colonies by the "Phoenicians" commenced only after this period when Mycenaeans had settled among them, and that these "Phoenicians" set up trading posts where there previously had been Mycenaean ones.
Thanks for your contribution but if you are serious about critical analysis try not to be rude lest we think that you have other intentions than simple academic enquiry.
Ego - Wo (meaning I), Kai - he (and), Dasos - Dashu (forest in Greek, big trees in Chinese), Ioda - (zh)idao (know), Pino - pin (drink), Abyssos - Abi (abyss\deep), Yiayia - Yeye (grandmother - grandfather). These are only a few. if you consider the noematic structure and aetological relationship unique to the Greek language then your egg before the chicken theory is nullified.
Sorry but again, how are Ego and Wo similar? Or Kai and He? Show me one prestigious publication that states that all languages originate from greek and than maybe I will believe you. Makind originated in Africa and then spread out all over over the world so the original language could not have possibly been greek since greece did not exist. Also, look at the letters that you use versus the latin letters. If they all came from greek, wouldn't everyone use the same letters?
exl do you have any idea about linguistics son because from here it seems that you are simply argumentative with an obvious agenda. english "think" has been proven to be derived from German and Dutch "denk-en". i hope you see the point.
GREECE RULZ!!
NekoHimeMurasakiXD 1 year ago
Lol,im not greek,neither an albanian but you guys are so stupid.How the hell you albanians can say that your languange is the mother of languanges ?You are sick of shits,its sad.
AlwaysDrunk420 2 years ago
@AlwaysDrunk420 no they just seek the truth unlike some who wish to live in a delusion.
Luigi84289 2 years ago
I tied ot live a message.
Good one
did not go through
than i visit to send it again
What are u afraid for all the way in Australia?
worldcitizen08 2 years ago
i have no idea why your messages are not coming through. must be a you tube glitch
learn2bfree 2 years ago
am sorry but wich Greek language is the mother of languages?? today greek or the Hellenik Greek??becouse the today Greek language is not the same as the ancient ones...
is like u have thrown the nlanguage of ur 4fathers out and now u call on it..or perhaps today Greeks have nothing in commen with the ancient ones as the ancient ones spook the Pelasg-Illyrian language wich is today the Albanian language...look at thsi Book
Albanian language the Key of Indo-Europien languages
albo4ever777 2 years ago
shakesperean english or todays english? they are not the same? if u cannot understand that a language evolves then we cannot help you. If you cannot also understand that 80% of your albanian language is loaned from your neighbours and the rest related to the caucuses area then again you cannot be helped
learn2bfree 2 years ago
So why is it that I can pick something up from the ground, like a pottery shard from 3000 BC and i can read and understand the Greek on it?
Wehre was your Albo language 5000 yrs ago. Didnt Albanians just barey receive an alphabet merely 100 yrs ago?
Why dont you keep your half baked ideas to yourself.
VETOforTito 2 years ago
you are an albanian do you realise that?you dont have the right to speak,you dont belong to europe you living in a dream,you call your self Pelasg-Illyrian and albania is nation from 1924 or wherever.Wake up you dont have electricity or even water in your country and all europe calling you thieves and disgusting
TEO135 2 years ago
You Albanians are so god-damnedly fucking stupid, that it's just so VERY sad. How the fuck do you barbarians pass off as humans any way?
PROSTATHS 2 years ago
@albo4ever777
Like all languages the Greek language evolved to what we see today..It is the most documented in the world..The Greek alphabet is still used as did our ancient forefathers...Your an Albo whos talking crap about a language that is not only older then this mixed and mongrelized albanian language..What we know about the Illyrian language or the Pelasgians..If anything they were also Greeks...Albanian language the key???,,more like the language that adpoted words from all others.
cobone2 3 months ago
incorrect as the video already proves. im guessing youre talking from nationalism and not after seeing the video
learn2bfree 2 years ago
Παλικαρι μου...απλα μπραβο!!!Και χαιρετησματα απο Κρητη.Μονο και μονο για αυτο το βιντεο σε φιλοξενω στο σπιτι μου.Συνεχισε ετσι.
ALkivor 2 years ago 3
beautiful!
hellasboys 2 years ago 2
May contemporary Greeks, in the knowledge of the awesome and unmatched accomplishments of their ancestors, also remember how greatly their ancestors frowned on hubris.
dolofonos 2 years ago
agreed. so long as you dont mistake defence of truth as hubris
learn2bfree 2 years ago
Night is a Greek word. Since old english people used to pronounce every letter in a word it would sound like neehkt. In Greek it is neehkta. Neehkta means night. Thank you very much Greece :)
MEGANUT29 2 years ago 3
KalyNYDCHTA, GoodNIGHT GutenNACHT, DobroyNOTSI BuonaNOTE BuenaNOCHE LabNAKTS...gia na min xehname kai ta indoeurwpaika mas!
eismakedon 3 years ago
In Greek mythology, Nyx was the primordial goddess of the night. A shadowy figure, Nyx stood at or near the beginning of creation, and was the mother of personified gods such as Hypnos (sleep) and Thanatos (death). Her appearances in mythology are sparse, but reveal her as a figure of exceptional power and beauty.
nyx =without
nyx is nominative
nyktos is genetive
nyxta=accusative
:)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Nyx lurks in the background of other cults. Thus there was a statue called "Nyx" in the Temple of Artemis at Ephesus. The Spartans had a cult of Sleep and Death, conceived of as twins (Paus. 3.18.1). Cult titles composed of compounds of nyx- are attested for several gods, most notably Dionysus Nyktelios "nocturnal" (Paus. 1.40.6) and Aphrodite Philopannyx "who loves the whole night" (Orphic Hymn 5)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
there is no writing of the indouropean because it is simply too old. The first languages that were documented were the Anatolian Hittitic and then the Greek and then the Sanskrit.
The fact that the proto-Indo_european is not written does not make it non existent, as the fact that the ProtoGermanic does not have a written record does not make it non Existent. VERY FEW LANGUAGES out of the thousands of human languages have been documented, a tiny fraction only!
eismakedon 3 years ago
so there fore if we base only on xronology of documentation we cannot say for sure. what will show us for sure is etymologically what created which? so far it all goes back to greek...on on that note...goodnight
learn2bfree 3 years ago
another question. if there is no writing how do we know it existed? again it comes back to all things stemming from one origin. so far that origin is being proven to be greek
learn2bfree 3 years ago
we know the Indoeuropean existed because the science of linguistics has recreated it, much of it based on our language which is the oldest existing in written format, but then also in Latin, Saskrit and even now the more obscure languages arround the eurasiatic area where they are spoken. Again a great book is the one I mentioned before. It is easy to read and it is an eye opener. The Oxford dictionary of the Indoeuropeans and the Indoeuropean language
eismakedon 3 years ago
then i will read it and let you know....:) i need to pull myself to bed. stop being interesting :P
learn2bfree 3 years ago
How did they recreate it is the question!They have no proof of its existence and absolutely no writing to supply a basis to its recreation!Any theory no matter how nice it seems and realistic has to refer to a basis!When u recreate a language out of nowhere i don't call that recreating but creating a language out of existant ones!You can fix a sculpture or a vase out of pieces but if you make it all by yourself then that is new!So oxford yale or stanford doesn't count!No proof to its existence!!
spartianwar04 3 years ago
i grammiki B einai i prwti prospatheia grafis tis ellinikis glwssas, einai i katagrafi tis glwssas twn Achaiwn Ellinwn, kai to grapsimo proerhetai apo tin grammiki A pou einai eteocretan language, non Greek.
eismakedon 3 years ago
grammatiki is being shown to be the precursor to linear b. anyhow its late so i will bid you goodnight. please post what u like and i will answer when im back online. thank you for the conversation
learn2bfree 3 years ago
grammatiki meaning linear A...sorry i did say its late :)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I will not post anything. I enjoy the conversation, not a monologue.
eismakedon 3 years ago
aleph beth gimmel, einai semitika, emeis ta prosarmosame stin glwssa mas kai ta eksygxronisame. I symbole mas einai terastia, alla na min to paratrabame me anypostates ypervoles san tous Skopianous, emeis den ehoume anangi na klepsoume apo tin doxa allwn. Mia hara eimaste!
eismakedon 3 years ago
i think maybe you should read the book by joseph yahuda who proves that semitic is derived from Greek
learn2bfree 3 years ago
and again i say to you read linear b and a which is much older than semitic and linked to the greek language
learn2bfree 3 years ago
and maybe you need to read the Oxford dictionary of the Indoeuropeans and the Indoeuropean language, and leave the semetics alone...they are a different language tree all together!
eismakedon 3 years ago
and u need to explain to me where the existence of an indo european root? was it a people a culture? where are the inscriptions? is it not safe to say that if all languages stem from greek then greek is the indo european? the beginning of creation is adam? adam=atomo=atom? the world is much bigger my friend than the oxford dictionary
learn2bfree 3 years ago
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nixter888 1 year ago
emeis prosthesame ta fonienta sto alphaveto
eismakedon 3 years ago
we added vowels to the greek alphabet that came back to greece via phoenician traders
learn2bfree 3 years ago
e kala, entaxei, oti theloume leme twra.
eismakedon 3 years ago
???pardon
learn2bfree 3 years ago
and some of the prehellenics (pelasgians and thracians were some of them) were indoeuropean themselves , through probably not the eteocretans
eismakedon 3 years ago
pelasgoi= hellenes living by the sea (pelagos=sea)
epirotans=hellenes living in the mountains (ipiros=expanse of land)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
oi epeirotes onomastikan etsi apo tous Kerkyraious pou nesiwtes ontes onomasane tin apenanti akti HPEIRO (mainland)
eismakedon 3 years ago
yes and its all greek to me :)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Thallatta as you correctly pointed out was written Thalassa, and most of the -ssa -ssos -nthos -nthe endings are prehellenic.
eismakedon 3 years ago
pre hellenic? which is?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
so by telling me what the names Hellen and Graecos mean you think you are proving to me?
eismakedon 3 years ago
i think you have much to learn
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I am sure I have a lot to learn, en oida oti oyden oida
eismakedon 3 years ago
i agree with your socrates quote. i am no different and will accept this if u can prove to me that it is so
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Η ελληνικη ειναι γλωσσα κλαδι της μεγαλης Ινδο-Ευρωπαικης οικογενειας Γλωσσων και συγγενευει με τα Σανσκριτικα, τα Γερμανικα, τα Λατινικα, τα Σλαυικα, αλλα οχι πχ με τα Τουρκικα η τα Αραβικα.
eismakedon 3 years ago
please show me the make up of words that do not originate from greece. how they were made and why
learn2bfree 3 years ago
what has happened is that after the cultural dominance of Greek culture in ancient times, all other languages, starting with Latin massively addopted words from our language. This is not bad, since through this infussion, languages that used to be unable to express meanings of higher civilization value, languages of farmers and nomads now were able to become literary languages, liek Latin, Slavonic, Germanic etc
eismakedon 3 years ago
Writers such as Kikeron, Takitos, Cointilianos, Tyrannion in their writings have clearly mentioned "Περί της Ρωμαικής Διαλέκτου ότι εστίν εκ της Ελληνικής", (the Roman dialect has derived from the Greek) or "Aeolica ratione est sermo noster simillibus" (our language is very similar to the Aeolic dialect). Previous and present scientists, writers and researchers are aware that the mother language of all of Western languages is the Greek language
learn2bfree 3 years ago
επομενως το να γραφουμε πως τα γραπτα των προελληνων ειναι δικα μας δεν στεκει χρονολογικα.
eismakedon 3 years ago
please prove this
learn2bfree 3 years ago
να αποδειξω τι αδελφε? οτι δεν διαβασες μια ζωη μου ζητας να σου το γραψω σε πεντε λεξεις? Διαβασε βιβλια γλωσσολογιας και ιστορικα και μετα μιλαμε.
eismakedon 3 years ago
i have read many thanks. and i can give you a liftetime of study on demand.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Εαν θεωρησουμε το μνημειωδες εργο της ακαδημιας Αθηνων Η Ιστορια του Ελληνικου Εθνους σαν σωστο στις βασεις του, και ειναι, τοτε θα πρεπει να δεχτουμε οτι οι Ελληνες ηλθαμε στον χωρο μας μεταξυ 2100 και 1950, συμφωνα και με τα αρχαιλογικα ευρηματα.
eismakedon 3 years ago
and they came from where friend? that is my first question. my second question is how does this negate the greek language being the core of all?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
δεν μπορουμε να μιλαμε για ΚΑΜΙΑ γλωσσα σαν κομβικη Ινδοευρωπαικη , οπως δεν μπορουμε να μιλαμε και για καμια Γερμανικη διαλεκτο σαν κομβικη, ολες ειναι ισοτιμοι κλαδοι του ιδιου δενδρου
eismakedon 3 years ago
you are still not proving anything to me you are merely saying that they migrated. the fact is clearly that you can say for sure because it can be proven...and quite easily i might add
learn2bfree 3 years ago
σου ανεφερα την λεξη θαλασσα, που ειναι πρωελληνικη, και που εμεις δημιουργισαμε την λεξη ποντος, η αρχικη ενεια της οποιας ειναι περασμα.
eismakedon 3 years ago
8alassa was originally 8alatta.
Thalatta (θάλαττα) is the Attic form of the word. In the Ionic and Doric dialects (as well as Modern Greek) it is thalassa (θάλασσα).
learn2bfree 3 years ago
and please reference your usage of the academy of athens. validation comes with references im afraid
learn2bfree 3 years ago
το απο που ηλθαν οι πρωτοι Ελληνες δεν ειναι κατι που μπορει ευκολα να απαντηθει, αλλα οικαζεται πως ο τελευταιος σταθμος μας ισως ηταν οι πεδιαδες της παννωνιας (ουγγαρια). σιγουυρα δεν ειχαμε λεξη για την θαλασσα.
eismakedon 3 years ago
Just thinking about fictional languages like klingon, quenya, sindarin, orcish or Constructed language like esperanto, ido or interlingua it is obvious that greek/helenic is not the mother of ALL languages. Their words are totally different from these we have in real languages. But grammaticaly ALL languages(incl. these fictional/constructed) are distinguishable into just a few groups.
PS: Thx for reject again -.-
sebwan 3 years ago
i havent rejected ur comments just havent logged in often to reply. but i see ur still posting ridiculous miscalculations. i promised however so long as people talk civily the comments will be allowed no matter how absurd. so i thank you for ur civility and will keep allowing ur posts but ask u to please post something that is valid...ps. klingon is make believe my friend
learn2bfree 3 years ago
is Greek substantially different from the latin languages? I'm looking at a language to take(as a hobby. I'm thinking Farsi but this has put Greece into my head.lol Anyon tried Rosseta Stone?
tonylee1973 3 years ago
Writers such as Kikeron, Takitos, Cointilianos, Tyrannion in their writings have clearly mentioned "Περί της Ρωμαικής Διαλέκτου ότι εστίν εκ της Ελληνικής", (the Roman dialect has derived from the Greek) or "Aeolica ratione est sermo noster simillibus" (our language is very similar to the Aeolic dialect). Previous and present scientists, writers and researchers are aware that the mother language of all of Western languages is the Greek language
learn2bfree 3 years ago
substantially the same i would say :). what did u want to know about the rosetta stone?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
You said that "academics are slowly moving to the conclusion that greek is the mother of all". Well they're not slowly moving toward that conclusion, they moved toward it AGES ago. It has been known for MILLENIA that Greek has influenced a wide range of languages just as English is doing so today. The ancient Latin speakers respected Greek because it was the lingua franca for so long. The Greek Empire stretched to India. You make it sound like some new scientific finding, lol.
steevmac 3 years ago
The thing is that greek being present in any language today is a fact !! Still common belief is that greek is inspired by phoenician !! And theories about an indoeuropean language mother of all languages !! at least that what is todays' people learning at school when the reality of the first language on earth being greek is for some reason held aside !!
spartianwar04 3 years ago
it has been held aside for a long time now but many academics have come to understand that they can no longer deny it. there will be a video coming shortly that will explain much more...stay tuned :)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Phoenician was influenced by Greek first and Greek was also influenced by Phoenician at a latter stage. The word Greek is latin, so it did not even exist in that early stage. We speak of Ellinika (i.e. Greek). We call our country Ellas and not Greece! Actualy
JimmyTheGreek2000 3 years ago
The name Graecus (Γραικός - whence Greece) just as the name Hellen (Ἕλλην - whence Hellas - Ἑλλάς) comes from the mythical times of Deucalion (both are sons of Deucalion), and is connected with age (geraios -old- γηραιός), which is an epithet honoring the priests of Dodona....
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Thalatta! Thalatta! ("The Sea! The Sea!") was the shouting of joy when the roaming 10,000 Greeks saw Euxeinos Pontos (the Black Sea) from Mount Theches (Θήχης) in Armenia after participating in Cyrus the Younger's failed march against Persian Empire in the year 401 BC. The mountain was only a five days' march away from the friendly coastal city Trapezus. The story is told by Xenophon in his Anabas
learn2bfree 3 years ago
alas=alati
learn2bfree 3 years ago
The name Hellen comes also from an epithet belonging to the priests of Dodona (Σελλοί - Selloi). Sel- and hel- are connected as in selas and helios (sun), they have to do with illumination. (Liddel-Scott-Jones etymological dictionary)
latin too is greek in origin.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
poy tis vrikes oles autes tis anoesies file mou?
eismakedon 3 years ago
anoesies?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
sygnomin gia to anoesies, min to perneis ybristika, alla pare tin lexi me tin archiki tis enoia...oti den skeftikes auta pou egrapses. Giati, i alethia einai pws den to epsaxes, den to ereuneses deontws to thema.
eismakedon 3 years ago
and how do u come to this conclusion?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
im not offended im interested. who ever says they know everything is a liar
learn2bfree 3 years ago
well i mwan the root of the indo-european language is Armenian, all scholars agree, the three main roots of the indo-european languages are
Armenian Greek and Persian.
CilicianAri 3 years ago
For the record:
Omega is 'O' big (mega)
Omicron is 'O' small (micron)
Ipsilon is 'I' high (Psilon)
So all the Greek letters and numbers can be explained!
JimmyTheGreek2000 3 years ago
thanks for that :)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
What was this about?
JimmyTheGreek2000 3 years ago
your post about o(mikron) :)
learn2bfree 3 years ago
To those that do not understand, rememper that the Greeks "rememper" 3 cataclysms.All the others rememper only 1.
Thiseas1974 3 years ago
@pelekanos92
??????????
learn2bfree 3 years ago
sebwan i warn you for a final time. make rude characterisations and u will be blocked completely. if you have a valid arguement son backed up with references then make it. ur f's and ur c's will not be tolerated here
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Actually I'm sorry that it must end that way. When I came here first, we could make a good discussion. But then came nixter888 with his flames. And he made me become more and more angry. And thus it ended in a flame war. (I don't understand till now why u've allowed his two last comments).
PS: If you doubt my german origin, why can I speak german perfectly and not turkish, albanian, macedonian, greek or similar?
sebwan 3 years ago 3
actually sebwan i would prefer not to block you. i welcome enquiry so long as it is done within civilised boundaries. make your point, give me references and i will allow and answer and let others answer so long as they too are civilised in their responses. speaking german doesnt necessarily make you german but at the end of the day i really dont care. it is irrelevant.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
i allowed nixters comments because i understand his frustration. what was meant as academic enquiry has rounded up a lynch mob. it befuddles me as to why....
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I don't mind if you block me. I said what i know and what i think, but no one here did really listen. Do you really want to support this system of censorship?...
sebwan 3 years ago
that is incorrect. where are your points of reference? where are your validations? your list of german technological inventions and the insinuation that you founded the modern world is not academic enquiry. its mocking. you are welcome to stay so long as you discuss with the same respect i offer you....
learn2bfree 3 years ago
and so long as the only valid argument that is offered is what they want to do to my mother, flavoured with the usual barrage of f's and c's, yes i will support this system of censorship...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Actually now i am some kind of frustrated. How many proofs or references do i still have to throw after everyone till someone believes me? Should i proof that santa clause exists or that pigs can fly first till someone believes me? Or what?
sebwan 3 years ago
give us a valid one and maybe u might stand a chance. so far u prove naught
learn2bfree 3 years ago
of all the ignorance & blind hatred there is on youtube, the comments here are the worst. this is academic enquiry u moronic imbeciles. what r u fucks? linguists to knock it without at least trying to understand it? to ask any questions about it? fkn hateful & spiteful anal shits. well done learn2befree. dont let these losers stop u from asking ur hows and whys
cauzeofdeath 3 years ago
Ο ΚΑΙΡΟΣ ΓΑΡ ΕΓΓΥΣ
xrhstos27 3 years ago
Since the Phoenicians brought to the Greeks their language, this video should have been named otherwise.
pelekanos92 3 years ago
either you did not see the video in its entirety or you are ignoring it. Please read up on linear B and linear A text which has been proven to predate phoenician showing that phonecian traders adopted Greek text and reintroduced it later back to greece. this idea of phoenicans giving greek their language is based solely on the writings of Herodotus which have been proven incorrect as he could not have known of the existence of linear A or B.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Is this stupidity or illiteracy? Most of the European languages are based on Greek. But the Eastern ones are something else. They existed before the Greeks. The cuneiform writing also existed before the Greek civilization.
Read history as it is. See the facts. Then, we can discuss again.
pelekanos92 3 years ago
cuneiform was never a language my friend as there is no need to remind you. im still guessing you have no idea of linear a and b nor its relationship with the modern alphabet. pity
learn2bfree 3 years ago
The Greek Government teaches that the Greeks took their writing from the Phoenicians. This is what they write in school books. History itself writes it. So, I suppose I'll trust them.
pelekanos92 3 years ago
pelekanos are u being purposefully obtuse? the video clearly states that this was the belief before the discovery of linear A and linear B.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
What couldn't you understand?
pelekanos92 3 years ago
Since this video is spreading propaganda(or conspiracy theories) this video should have never been published!
sebwan 3 years ago
you mean like book burning and censorship that is common in countries like albania and fyrom? no thanks. what conspiracy theory is being proposed here i wander? hmm amazing how minds with an agenda never talk with references and valid sources
learn2bfree 3 years ago
"you mean like book burning and censorship that is common in countries like albania and fyrom?"
see prejudices like that just support my statement...
sebwan 3 years ago
actually no its fact. does kafka ring a bell? i could easily use many others germany too included though i doubt very much you are of german origin. in any case the use of these two in particular are due to the fact that they above all others have made it their mission to demean hellenism and its contribution to the world so it was only fitting. but one needs to ask the question then, is this your whole arguement?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
In Greece there is also censorship, my friend. Modern censorship. They don't burn books. They forbid them.
We are still evolving...
pelekanos92 3 years ago
really? which books may i ask have been forbidden. list them so that we can compare apples with apples
learn2bfree 3 years ago
i do not believe this
hungarian15 3 years ago
you are quite welcome to disprove it. not beleiving it is not academically enough im afraid...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Why did you reject my comment learn2bfree?!
I just asked you how far you are with your 10min video.
Or did you just run out of proofs and you are too coward to tell?
sebwan 3 years ago 3
if you are to make a comment such as this then please include the full context and not partially what u would like others to see. i rejected ur comment because of a groundless statement made linking pelasgians to albanians. find proof of where u came from first before throwing ur assumptions here as gospel truth. Maybe i am a coward but never in front of the truth...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
as this video has nothing to do with albanians i would appreciate that you do not bring politics here. as for the video it will be made soon enough. unfortunately life gets in the way of enjoyable passtimes...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
"i would appreciate that you do not bring politics here"
You should have thought about that when you were naming this video "Greek - Mother of all languages". You should be clear in your mind that just this title turning out the greek language as craddle of every spoken language pulls all kind of racists and fanatics(see nixter's comments)
And for your information: I'm neither greek nor turkish, albanian, macedonian or similar. I'm german and hating all kind of propaganda! Get it?
sebwan 3 years ago 4
so let me get this straight.we are not to call something by its true name because it offends ur political correctness to have everyone equals?im sorry i was taught to call a spade a spade no matter what ur nationality or disposition.i have much admiration for the german people but do not confuse academic enquiry with political intent. i cannot be responsible for other peoples attitude i can only control my own as should u.if someone is to be racist trust me academia is not going to stop them.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Not calling it by its true name? Well learn2befree it's that your cognitition are heavily conflicting with mime and that of most of other people. If I search google for "mother of all languages" I'll get at least five languages being mentioned to be such. For example the arabic language: alislam. org/topics/arabic. And all claimers(for all languages) are entwine speaking this language as mother language and/or living in a country with that language. This does also include the greek language.
sebwan 3 years ago 3
agreeed that all languages are intertwined. what you must understand however is that to get to the core, the concept of word structure and how things are put together must be considered and studied. it is here where the sifting between adopted and created can be determined. and in this concept and relationship to the world around them the hellenic language is unique
learn2bfree 3 years ago
"and in this concept and relationship to the world around them the hellenic language is unique"
It was 100 percent calculatable that such a comment would come...
sebwan 3 years ago
of course it would come when you are talking about word structures. are you purposefully deflecting from what is intended?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
... Well what I'm trying to say is that it is very difficult, nearly impossible to find non-nationalistic-influenced and non-biased sources to whom I can say that they are reliable and don't have any propagandistic intention.
Do you know the "virtual wars" on youtube and other areas on the internet? Greeks vs Turks vs Albanians vs Macedonians (did I forget some?) featuring factoidal propaganda videos, insulting videos(e.g. the atatürk one) and heavy flaming in the comment areas?
sebwan 3 years ago 3
yes i am aware of them. what does this have to do with this discussion? anyhow, i do not enjoy slanderous videos. i do however put much store in videos that show academic enquiry to claims made, the academic questioning of this video included...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
"yes i am aware of them. what does this have to do with this discussion?"
Well i don't want to point my finger directly at you, but let us see your published videos on youtube: "Bring Back the greeks", "MACEDONIA IS GREEK", "Editing the greeks out of history".
Do you know what i want to say?
sebwan 3 years ago
that i am interested in greek history that i have a passion for it that i back up everything i say with academia is not a secret nor a mystery. it has everything to do with this discussion because it seems that you make comments based on nothing but the agenda u acuse me of...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!I GAVE YOU MANY EXAMPLES!!!GREEK LANGUAGE IS INDEED THE MOTHER LANGUAGE!!!Truth never hurts!!!I AM NOT GOING CLOSE MY EYES TO THE TRUTH,and be afraid to be call a racist,by people like YOU!!!YOU AND OTHER SHOULD KNOW THE TRUTH,ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!YOUR LIES,AND VICIOUS SLANDERS AGAINST THE GREEK NATION,from some of your ARROGANT GERMANS should stop right now!!!
nixter888 3 years ago
I told you. You must stop being a nationalist. You'll get a heart attack. By the way, why do you, my brave Greek, write in English?
pelekanos92 3 years ago
hmm i wonder if joseph yahuda was a nationalist when he said that his jewish language is derived from greek. heres a question for you to answer. where have i ever stated that i was greek? i read your channel by the way. seems to me academic enquiry has been pushed aside for a very huge grudge
learn2bfree 3 years ago
i write in english because it exists and is the language that i have learnt. my native language. how does this negate that a huge percentage of it stems from the greek language? how does it also negate that the latin part doesnt either? i dont ask you to accept this video. i do however ask you to consider it and if it is wrong show me where. so far u have done nothing but complain...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I wasn't referring to you, my friend.
pelekanos92 3 years ago
LOOK WHO IS TALKING ABOUT RACISM!!!A GERMAN!!!THE MOST RACIST NATION ON EARTH!!!!WE THE GREEKS,gave the civilization to the world,..YOU are the ONE WHO IS arrogant!!!THE GREEKS ARE THE FIRST AREIAN= ARYAN NATION OF THE WORLD!!YOU TURNED TO BE THE FANTASIED ONE, to think that you are the best!!! TAKE IT EASY!!!WE ARE THE REAL ONES!!!OUR LANGUAGE IS the original language on earth!!!!Like it or not!!!
nixter888 3 years ago
if you see indo-european languages in the tree, first is Albanian language, and second Armenian, and persians, and then helenic.
the greeks call themself Hella, but other nations calle them Greeks.
for first time Albanians calle in this Name the (Grecia) Gra-e-cia if we translate in English mins (bad womans)
why the Albaniansa calle (grecia) beacose we think the greeks talk 2 much, and they are scary people.
Burrel1924 3 years ago 2
i allowed ur comment so that independent viewers may see exactly why i added the approved option...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
this may be kind of off topic but as a 4th generation greek-american i never learned the language and am trying so hard too. =( it's so so hard
VaVaVoomVeronica 3 years ago
it must be in the way that you are learning it. If you begin with the english words that are derived from Greek you will gain confidence. there are many. From there you will be in a better position to tackle the grammar... good luck
learn2bfree 3 years ago
todays greeks are a mixture of turks persians and gypsies and ethiopians, greek is not a race, its an idea...and you know this to be a fact
AlbanianShqiptari 3 years ago
Neil Risch -- Stanford university, Alberto Piazza -- University of Torino and L.L. Cavalli -- Sforza -- University of Stanford.
studies from 7 scientific researches which include work from academics from Baghdad, Moscow, Italy, U.S. published in the U.S. magazine for Human Genetics.
study done by J. Lawrence Angel on skeletal material from Paleolithic to modern times
in respect to Hellas...99.5% continuity
seems only albanians regardless of proof know the truth
learn2bfree 3 years ago
it is very hard for inferior races such as albomonkeys and turks they dont seem to understand what it means to be greek and what greeks have done for the world LONG LIVE GREECE learn2bfree well done
krhthkos 3 years ago
The Turks are a human cancer, a creeping agony in the flesh of the lands which they misgovern, rotting every fibre of life ... I am glad that the Turk is to be called to a final account for his long record of infamy against humanity."
-David Lloyd George, 1914 (British Statesman and Prime Minister)
chavdar1925 3 years ago 16
my, my, we either have the inquisition or this is a witch hunt of sorts. today's request???
For the sake of not being repetitive, you will be patient my dear oberon for the next video to come out soon, as i have requested. If i have not answered by then, all of the questions im sure you have on your list, then you are welcome to confront me with the knowledge you are keen to show us....
learn2bfree 3 years ago
OK, I'll wait. I'm not running a witch hunt or an inquisition, nor am I keen to show off any knowledge. I disagree with your point of view and I'm just curious to understand it to see if I am mistaken.... take care ;-)
oberonsghost 3 years ago
thank you for your patience. I will keep in mind (within the limitations of a 10 min video) to be as specific as i can with my references....
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Today's request is the same for both these statements that you make:
1. "Since then studies have found that Greek has influenced the majority of ancient languages, from South America to Africa to China"
2. "Academics are slowly moving to the conclusion that Greek is the mother of all."
Please name five.
oberonsghost 3 years ago 3
I don't understand your point! I AM TELLING YOU,THAT FIRST HUMAN CAME OUT OF GREECE,and NOT OUT OF AFRICA,..and you are telling me that i smoke something?..why do you believe in the theory of Africa,and not the theory of Greece?
nixter888 3 years ago
people please. this is not a place to mud sling. We each have our opinions and our theories on this topic which i happen to think is an interesting one. what proof we can offer will be beneficial for all. what names we call each other can only take away from our individual characters...
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Where humans came from has nothing to do with the language???? Right, because they did not interact with each other then, they just shouted at each other. Oh, yes, Nixter88 you are funny, "humans came from Greece" now that is some funny shit. Tell me what you smoke because I want some of that. You are not dumb after all, you know where to get the good stuff.
EXL1979 3 years ago 3
if you are patient i will be making a video on the whole topic. evolutuion from pot marks to Linear A, phoenician script and linear B. I will include as much bibliography for you as is possible in a 10 min video. once this is available i will be only too happy to discuss the topic with you in further detail. I am not beyond learning so i always welcome academic enquiry providing it is not founded by unreasonable nationalism.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
I'll go through them day by day, it's a long video and raises many interesting points.
The first point that concerns me is that you nominate Cretan Linear A as being Greek language. To my knowledge, only Linear B has been deciphered (and proven to be an early Greek dialect). Linear A has not yet been fully deciphered and it is not certain that it is a Greek dialect. Who is your source? Is my information out of date?
oberonsghost 3 years ago
I'm quite happy to raise debating points. I didn't mean to cast aspersions on your motives, I must have let the comments section get to my head.
oberonsghost 3 years ago
Gobsmacked??? By this term I am assuming that you are intending on debating the information presented in this video. If so then you are more than welcome to state your objections clearly and concisely so that we may analyse your points like civilized human beings and not feral animals.
Making assumptions of nationalism does nothing constructive for academic enquiry. Labels of assumed motive only make the accuser look foolish.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
*gobsmacked*
Firstly, interesting hypothesis, I'd like to see your bibliography, learn2bfree, as I find your claims to be totally outrageous. Let us see your scholarship, not wrong-headed, pseudo-nationalistic propaganda. [she said mixing her greek with her latin].
Secondly, nixter, "ignorant" is an adjective. If you want to use the construction "ο αμαθής", by all means do so. But remenber that the English construction would take only the noun "ignoramus" ;-)
oberonsghost 3 years ago 2
YOU ARE MISTAKEN!!!!THE PROTOLEXIS IS GNO, GNOSIS,GNWRIZW..and NEGATIVE... =AGNWROS,AGNOW,.=I AM AN IGNORANT,... ...AMATHHS=ADIDAKTOS=HIM WHO DID NOT STUDY!
nixter888 3 years ago
I see your point, but you have not seen mine. I'll agree that Greek is an excellent language for showing shades of meaning. If you are speaking or writing in English, you need to know the difference between constructions that take nouns and constructions that take adjectives or you run the risk of being seen as what you are calling others.
Also, please mind your manners. Did I shout at you? Why are you so angry?
oberonsghost 3 years ago 3
I am not angry!I get angry only with arrogant,and impolite people!
nixter888 3 years ago
You GERMANS DID NOT EXIST WHEN THE GREEKS WERE MAKING HISTORY!!!OR you don't know that you are barbarians!LEARN SOME HISTORY ...DUDE...
nixter888 3 years ago
...Ignorant,the proto-indoeuropean language ..IS GREEK!!!DO YOU UNDERSTAND?...STOP CALLING IT PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN...IT'S PROTO-GREEK=THE OLD GREEK!!!!THERE IS NOT PROTO-INDO-EUROPEAN!
nixter888 3 years ago
..the word DENKEN derived from the Greek verb MANTHANW=i learn the art of knowing,hence MATHEMA,MATHEMATICS,MATHESIS.The root word is OIDA=i know ,i have knowledge ,i am thinking.EIDEMAI=to know.fROM THE WORD manthanw,THE WORD MAN was derived too...him who thinks.
nixter888 3 years ago
Humans did not come from Africa!This THEORY IS LONG DEAD!!!!The white race came out of Greece,from triglia halkidikis!!!The Archanthropos Trillianesis is 12.000.000 years old!!!some 9.000.000 older than lusy,the chimpanzee!....the first homo-sapient is 800.000 years old,and it comes from the cave of petralona halkidikis GREECE!!!NOT OUT OF AFRICA!
nixter888 3 years ago
1. For you i'll call it PROTO-INDO-GERMAN now!
2. "denken" should be derived from "manthanw"?! Dude you have a really big fancifulness. Once again you have proven that you are really crackbrained.
3. Humans did not come from Africa?! Your claim is totally shit. I wanna see proofs, dude. You get it? PROOFS!!!
sebwan 3 years ago
sebwan
Das mit dem ersten menschen aus afrika WEISS ICH NICHT, aber das die ganzen sprachen aus dem griechischen erfolgt sind ist die wahrheit... das sage ich dir hier als mensch zu mensch... die griechen werden sogar kläglich unterschätzt... man fand beweise in amerika das sie die ersten dort waren die von europa über den atlantik nach amerika gereist sind
BlacK40k 3 years ago
1."denken" became to "think" over many stations and hundreds/thousands of years.
2. Latin and Greek ARE BOTH derived from the PIE-language. There are just a few similarities between Greek and Latin. And if there are some, they are all in all likelihood derived from the PIE.
3. You don't really want to deny in all seriousness that the humans came from africa, do you?!
4. Linguistics have many relations to evolution.
sebwan 3 years ago
The Cumae alphabet was a western variant of the early Greek alphabet used between the 8th to 5th cent's BC. It was specifically used in Euboea(including the towns of Cumae and Chalkis)and anywhere west of Athens, especially in the Greek colonies of southern Italy. It was this variant that gave rise to the Old Italic alphabets, including the Latin alphabet.
Helmut Engelmann. Die Inschriften von Kyme (=Inschriften griechischer Städte aus Kleinasien 5)
can you please stop wasting our time
learn2bfree 3 years ago
...In Greece, it was replaced by the standard Greek alphabet, based on eastern, Ionic Greek variants, from the 4th century BC.(Same source)
The first alphabet was North Semitic, and it was invented some time in the Second Millennium BC somewhere in the Middle East.
(tickers. bbc. co. uk/dna/collective/A2451890)
You should have been more accurate...
sebwan 3 years ago
It is not coincidence that the aftermath of the Sea-People invasions saw the Semites of the Levantine coast with different style of script, nor is it coincidence that the setting up of trading colonies by the "Phoenicians" commenced only after this period when Mycenaeans had settled among them, and that these "Phoenicians" set up trading posts where there previously had been Mycenaean ones.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Both the script style, and the maritime ventures have a Mycenaean/Aegean precedent, not a Levantine one. (Donald Harden - The Phoenicians)
and you shouldnt be so arrogant
learn2bfree 3 years ago
now tell me where anyone has said it is the oldest or that it is mother and father?
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Thanks for your contribution but if you are serious about critical analysis try not to be rude lest we think that you have other intentions than simple academic enquiry.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
here are some more 'coincidences' for you...
Ego - Wo (meaning I), Kai - he (and), Dasos - Dashu (forest in Greek, big trees in Chinese), Ioda - (zh)idao (know), Pino - pin (drink), Abyssos - Abi (abyss\deep), Yiayia - Yeye (grandmother - grandfather). These are only a few. if you consider the noematic structure and aetological relationship unique to the Greek language then your egg before the chicken theory is nullified.
learn2bfree 3 years ago
Sorry but again, how are Ego and Wo similar? Or Kai and He? Show me one prestigious publication that states that all languages originate from greek and than maybe I will believe you. Makind originated in Africa and then spread out all over over the world so the original language could not have possibly been greek since greece did not exist. Also, look at the letters that you use versus the latin letters. If they all came from greek, wouldn't everyone use the same letters?
EXL1979 3 years ago 3
exl do you have any idea about linguistics son because from here it seems that you are simply argumentative with an obvious agenda. english "think" has been proven to be derived from German and Dutch "denk-en". i hope you see the point.
learn2bfree 3 years ago