Francis Collins The Language Of God 1of9

[halneufmille]

This guy is perhaps the best asset the US has in convincing polivymakers and religious fondamentalists that science is not so bad.

[wildstyle2192]

We need more outspoken Christian scientists (who aren't creationists)

[iilikefeet]

read the book, was not impressed

[TheForthcoming1]

Collins is a good in some ways.

[bonajab]

Excellent! He said he decided to become an atheist without considering the evidence. So true, I think of more people than know it.

[armelix73]

I think the reversed is more true, don't you think!? Be honest with yourself!

[armelix73]

Why did they suffer from all these diseases!? What kind of god would allow them to suffer, and get tormented by all such infirmities, only to die eventually as a result?

A "god of love"? Sure, if you live in Hell, but what about Earth!?

Have you really thought it through mr "Collins"? Hmm, I don't think so!

It's a good appetizer for christians, but what about the Truth Mr Collins!?

[sergiomarchelli]

suffering is needed.

It is part of everything. Most of our greatest acheivements were because of the pain.

[armelix73]

Why is suffering needed? Couldn't this "perfect god of love" invent some other method!? In my view, your "god" is nothing but an incompetent prick, invented by the bronze-age tribes! If I had to invent a god, I would be much more accurate and analytical, but hey, I have evolved. . .

[39knights]

@armelix73 Haven't you been following the story?? Chapter 1, it was all made good. Then you, me, and everyone else screwed it up. He's been trying to fix it all for us ever since. Give Him a chance and you'll see. Jeese!! some people.

[cfdp529]

Diseases are not God's issues. Sin is the cause for disease, pain, murder, death etc. What's so hard to understand? All that is good comes from God. If you were to read any books or mainly, the BIBLE, you would understand this concept. Instead, you come on here with a horrible argument that could be easily explained by picking up some books---WITHOUT BIAS---and READING THEM.

[sergiomarchelli]

Maybe you should find the answer, why we need suffering and pain :-).

Try to look and from different points. Open your mind. And by the way, pain is not appetizer for anyone...even christians don't want it and don't understand it.

[Ifight4jesus]

Fucking votebotters, this video deserves at least a 4 star rating.

[armelix73]

Are you referring to christians and their dirty methods!?

[armelix73]

Judging by the choice of your words, I'm convinced you're a true follower of jesus ;) get it!?

[ogirv101]

I think the methodist minister should have given collins the book by issac Newton "The mathematical principles of natural philosophy". I just think that book is more relevent, it is the most infleuntial text in science of all time, and it was created for the belief in God. Well that's my opinino, but C.S. Lewis is a great Author too. The Principia convinced me though...

[benthemiester]

Francis Collins has never let his faith get in the way of his scientific couriosity wich is the argument that many athiest assert. I absolutly love it, and if ganster is listening members the national academy of sciences have also crittized Dawkins for going overboard and being the intelectual genius he is his response is to tell people to fuck off. love it to pieces

[gangster3591]

Much respect to Dr Collins and his achievements. That said, the arguments for belief he presents in his book are scant, disappointing, and wholly unconvincing. He claims at one point that Prof Dawkins [The God Delusion] "goes beyond the evidence" in his refutation of belief; a curious criticism, as the bible is surely the ultimate manual in that regard.

[regelemihai]

Why is it scant? He never once appeals to the Bible to establish his evidence.

[elsewherebeats1]

Thanks for posting this vid.I watched the whole thing it was great.Funny how atheists will still call him a "nutball",when he was raised an atheist and came to Christ in His 30's.Somehow i don't think "nutballs" get to decode our genome.

[dideoxynucleotide]

@elsewherebeats1 Um...have you ever heard of James Watson?

[elsewherebeats1]

@dideoxynucleotide No i haven't.I will look him up.Who is he to you?

[MrTruthAddict]

@elsewherebeats1 There is no shortage of religious scientists. Humans are illogical and emotional creatures. Newton was a genius but he had some pretty damn kooky ideas himself. This guy is proof that anyone can live their life in a state of cognitive dissonance.

[elsewherebeats1]

@MrTruthAddict Someone with a nutty idea made the computer you use and not long ago 2 nutty brothers said they could fly like a bird. Close minded people called them nuts and crazies now we fly like birds across oceans. Francis Collins is not Christian because of something he doesn't know.He's a Christian because of what he does know.That is,that nothing comes from nothing and all information is created that includes the genome code.

[MrTruthAddict]

and of course, right on cue, a fairy tale believer NOW wants to take credit for science when for the last 50 years they've been warring against it and the very idea of Darwinism. "It's of the devil" you said. Darwin was an atheist you said. (A common Christian lie) Now you twist and contort your belief system to include something that yesterday was the devil incarnate. You neanderthals want to keep us in the dark ages. We'll take you kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

[elsewherebeats1]

@MrTruthAddict You know,i don't believe in the tooth fairy or santa claus which is why i don't get pissed off that he only rewards the good children. For someone who does not believe in my fairytale you sure hold such anger towards a non existent fairytale. I think thats just pathetic to be angry at something you think does not exist. I mean i don't go around harassing people who believe in little green spacemen which is why i don't look at blurry "UFO" videos and start disrespecting people.

[MrTruthAddict]

@elsewherebeats1 Yet you'll still want to go back to living as they did in the bronze age when your fairy tales were created. A time when most people were ignorant and illiterate and they would have fallen for any paranoid schizophrenic walking through town claiming to be a messiah. At least they had an excuse for falling for this silliness, what's yours?

[elsewherebeats1]

@MrTruthAddict But you and i are 2 different people.I make peace with people.You search YT to harass. Maybe you should take a note out of my "fairytale" book i call bible and start making peace with people rather then trolling through YT looking for people to abuse and disrespect.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@elsewherebeats1 well it wasn't like he did it all by himself or it was his idea or anything..

[elsewherebeats1]

@SHIBBYiPANDA LOL whatever makes you feel better haha

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@elsewherebeats1 it does. He seems like a REALLY nice guy though..

I'm just not sure how much I trust him because one of his primary arguments for God's existence is that humans have a sense of right and wrong.. But that could easily b just because we have smart brains and know what's good for us and what's bad for us. I mean it seems like a terrible argument to me. There are tons of smart people that say that is what's up... The animals act pretty morally.. It's just a terrible argument..

[elsewherebeats1]

@SHIBBYiPANDA Yes its because we have smart brains.You got me.I don't have an argument!!!! You're a philosophical genius. I forgot that a lion is acting on his morals when he devours a deer. Can i just ask you one thing. Is morality objective or subjective? I'm eagerly waiting for your reply.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@elsewherebeats1 Thnx. Well it depends on the content. i like to think a objective morality for humans exists.. But I think most of the time it is subjective, it just depends on the context. There are plenty of good reasons to act "moral" for practical reasons. Ya a lion is action on his 'morals' when he devours a deer and doesn't just go on a killing spree against all living things.. It depends on how you want to look at morals but morals can be easily viewed as just survival mechanisms.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@elsewherebeats1 maybe u could also say that there is a morality for humans that is objective because there are practical reasons to behave "morally"? Ya I think that'd be a pretty good answer..

[ClamCrunchy]

@SHIBBYiPANDA You're right, it's easy to think of counter arguments to many of the arguments Collins makes. But this is probably the best anyone has every done in reconciling Christianity with science.

[SHIBBYiPANDA]

@ClamCrunchy Ya I'd definitely agree to that.. But I'm not sure they really go together.. If the entire book of genesis is complete crap then that raises the question "how much of the bible is 'metaphoric'" or whatever.. Jesus and Paul both talk about Noah as a historic person and the flood as a real event.. I guess you could say that Adam was the first man evolutionarily speaking but I dunno how far you can take that really..

[ivlfounder]

@elsewherebeats1

In light of his acomplishments when haters scorn Collins as being a fool due to his being a Christian I find it best to replace the word "Christian" with "Jew" to see the bigotry clearly.

[SpazzyMcGee1336]

This guy is too emotional. The universe doesn't bend reality to the individual's ideas about what feels good.

[silverado46143]

Maybe if you were a little more emotional you'd get what he has and you can seem to find, Christ and all the power of the universe. God bless you!

[SpazzyMcGee1336]

Emotions are fun and all, I'm guilty of a little indulgence from from time to time, but they are not accurate indicators of how the universe works.

I want to win the lottery tomorrow. I feel better thinking I will win the lottery tomorrow. Does that mean I will win the lottery? Of course not. The same applies to this concept of an afterlife and Christianity in general if you care for stretching the analogy.

[LiptonGuy]

What are you talking about, when you say "Win the lottery." ??

When your father ejaculated, somewhere between 200 to 600 million individual sperm were released.

Only 1 sperm could ultimately fertilize your mother's egg.

You already won the lottery.

Had 1 of the other 200 million plus sperm penetrated your mother's egg, then you wouldn't even be here today.

You already won the lottery.

You already beat the odds.

[SpazzyMcGee1336]

I used to be a Christian, and I liked both church and the whole forgiveness thing. However just because it felt good doesn't mean its right. Billions of others believe in their religions "because it feels good", but I don't see you converting to Islam.

I take the universe for what it is, not what I want it to be.

[greenelf12]

But is what is not right wrong?

what I mean is if it's benificary to you as an individual is that a bad thing?

[SpeakaDaEnglish]

I'm sure he's referring to the personal consequences of morality toward God here, not the morality toward one's self and one's fellow man only.

[tubeheadz]

atheists not having to worry about consequences? What kind of fantasy land does he live in? Part of being a rational human being is weighing out the consequences before making a moral decision. It has nothing to do with religion. Once again, another religious nutball who thinks his religion is the authority on morality.

[djarm67]

I'ts generally the polarising statements which fuel the comment wars such as "There are no transitional fossils" or " God is a delusion". When you get a speaker saying that there is no issue between science and faith the response is less emotive. It also mutes the impact of a fundamentalist stance from either end of the spectrum.

[5tonyvvvv]

@djarm67 Man can engineer molecules! It shows how it takes INTELLIGENCE in controlled laboratory conditions to mimic, manipulate, plagiarize a cell's Design! Scientists COPY genetic sequences!! They dont create anything!!

Its all Man made Synthetic chemistry! and it has nothing to do with the origin of life!! Homochirality is a disaster for any sort of naturalistic origins! There is no demonstrated source for such non-racemic mixture of sugars in any plausible pre-biotic environment!

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv I addressed the homochirality question with you 6 months ago on video ID RlJc3trVnCU, you then ran away. Have you read the papers I sited then which explain the origin of homochirality?

If not, I suggest you read them. Your source is lying to you. Are you intellectually honest enough to admit that your source is lying to you? It's disappointing to see you use the same argument which I debunked 6 months ago.

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv Homogeneous Catalysis In The Decomposition Of Diazo Compounds By Copper Chelates: Asymmetric Carbenoid Reactions by H. Nozaki, H. Takaya, S. Moriuti and R. Noyori, Tetrahedron, 24(9): 3655-2669 (1968)

Prebiotic Amino Acids As Asymmetric Catalysts by Sandra Pizzarello and Arthur L. Weber, Science, 303: 1151 (20 February 2004)

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv Homochiral Selection In The Montmorillonite-Catalysed And Uncatalysed Prebiotic Synthesis Of RNA by Prakash C. Joshi, Stefan Pitsch and James P. Ferris, Chemical Communications (Royal Society of Chemistry), 2497-2498 (2000) [DOI: 10.1039/b007444f]

RNA-Directed Amino Acid Homochirality by J. Martyn Bailey, FASEB Journal, 12: 503-507 (1998)

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv Catalysis In Prebiotic Chemistry: Application To The Synthesis Of RNA Oligomers by James P. Ferris, Prakash C. Joshi, K-J Wang, S. Miyakawa and W. Huang, Advances in Space Research, 33: 100-105 (2004)

Please note: Nobel Prize for Chemistry, 2001, was awarded to William S. Knowles, Ryoji Noyori and K. Barry Sharpless, for their work establishing the existence of asymmetric catalysts and chiral catalysis

[5tonyvvvv]

@djarm67 How many atheist MORONS have conducted experiments to show DNA assembling it self??

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv No idea how many atheist morans do it, but scientists do it everyday. In fact, they rely on its ability to self assemble for many of their applications. Many nucleic acids self assemble. There is also some exciting new research into TNA which looks to be a plausible precursor to RNA in the ability to transfer genetic information.

[5tonyvvvv]

@djarm67 WRONG these are controlled experiments where trained chemists COPY genetic sequences! Amino acids dont assemble themselves into proteins! all LEFT handed! STOP LYING! Dishonest Atheist jackass!

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv lol. So you are looking for an experiment which is not an experiment. If any experiment is put forward you dismiss it as an experiment.

I understand you now. You obviously haven't read the citations I gave you. No problem, I thought you were being intellectually honest. My mistake.

[5tonyvvvv]

@djarm67 How did the universe create it self! From nothing! Something from nothing!!! IMPOSSIBLE! You know more than Francis Collins! Ok MORON!!!

[djarm67]

@5tonyvvvv Cosmologists don't suggest that everything came from nothing. You find that explanation in religious texts. "Big bang" cosmology indicates that all matter and energy was in a hot dense state prior to the inflationary period. i.e. everything came from everything. Due to the physics involved we can only go as far back as 10^-43 seconds. On a side note: I noticed that you have once again dodged the homochirality evidence.

[GapWim]

When a science vs. religion or science and religion hot topic like this appears on YouTube it usually (not always) gets hundreds if not thousands of comments within weeks. Now ... virtually nothing ... so far a measly 2 comments ... nothing from the science (perhaps one, the first comment) or the atheist or the theist perspective. Can't be because they disagree or they would be all over the place ... could it be ... perhaps ... they all agree???????

[pinkunicorn789]

One of the most revolting habits of this man is the way he shamelessly misquotes scientists to make them look like theists.

[MrFacet]

Up till now he gave a personal perspective with the usual phrasing but without any specific reason. Hope he gets more specific later.