well he hasn't got any worth opponents except for Salikov Muslim, but if you look good at his fights... hes never fighting serious, cuz you always see him laughing and joking around
yeah the real king would fight tuff comp..look at cung le he fought wanderlei and lost that one...maybe he'll fight anderson..nah silva will kill him..muay thai rules
Y para quien prefiera probar con algo más suave que haga Qin-Na,que es lo mismo pero con espinilleras y solo se puede marcar,y va por puntos.El Sanda es a KO o KO técnico,y no se usan espinilleras.Yo hago Wushu,que entra Sanda y la verdad es que no está mal,tal vez vaya a alguna competicion de Qin-Na,y después,si hay ganas a una de Sanda...pero yo prefiero formas y las acrobacias...Nandu vamos.Bueno Salu2!
sanda no es un mix de taekondo ,ni boxeo ,ni shai jiao..es simplemente lo basico de muchas formas del kung fu tradicional chino hecho un deporte competitivo..sanda es kung fu y nada mas....y el sanda para combatir es extremadamente buena,a mi parecer lo mejor que uno pueda practicar..
@tommyvercetti3000 sin duda,además es muy completo,se podría decir que el kickboxing es casi lo mismo,con la diferencia de que el Sanda tiene muchas más cosas.Para a quien le guste competir dandose de ostias que pille Sanda,que lo demás no es nada comparado con el Sanda.
liu only defeated two high ranking thai boxers under sanda rule. liu was the best sanda fighter of his era but the title of conqueror of muay thai is way inaccurate.dekker and danny bill were the few who made a genuine attempt to beat all the thai champs. they both did not succeed. please sanda fans, stop lying to yourself
I don't know where the hell did you guys heard Sanda is TKD or whatever, Sanda evolved from strictly Chinese MA. I do Kung Fu and some of our kicks are almost the same as some TKD uses, so what? People are forgetting that Kung Fu has been around for 4,000 years and it is the father of most oriental martial arts. Anyhow, Sanda is Kung Fu for competition, just as Muay Thai is the competition form of Muay Boran. Kung Fu is not usable in the ring, but effective in the street.
how can you say that you are "conquerer" when u take someone and fight in your own rules We don't practice throwing in Muay Thai but you count the marks for throwing We usually use elbow but you prohibited it we ALWAYS get in the clinch but you dont allow that to last long. Now, you think u r the "conquerer"?
@KFDeity hey faggot stop sucking your dream fantasies. Sanda has wrestling dumbass what's the matter can't stand that sanda beating every martial art you can name such as muay thai, kyokushin, BJJ, etc. Accept it prick sanda rules
Muay thai is effective so is sanshou, but every martial arts are not perfect. Kung fu is not perfect too. I'd also say sanshou is more like a modernized boxing if you asked me
Why this video is titled, conqueror of muay thai? Is it because muay thai is well known for its efficiency and chinese people try to promote sanshou? Come on, Liu Hailong never fought under muay thai rules but always sanshou's rules. By saying sanshou is a conqueror of muay thai doesnt help anything...
@TAC412 Agreed that he never fought under muay thai rules, but how come they say muay thai is so efficient that if you allow throws the thai fighter just know that he is going to loose?
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There were already 6 times Sanda vs Muay Thai Competitions. They held them both in China and Thailand respectively. In addition, Chinese Sanda won 5 times and only lost 1 times to Muay Thai. Please note that all the fighters fought in these competitions were the best of sports since Thailand sent their 5 biggest champs of their country to fight against China in their last competition. The aftermath is Chinese Sander fighters won 4 of their champs and lost only once by a decision.
dude, he's good, but I don't see him fighting any real good fighters. these fights are set up for him to win, his opponents look dumpy. i want to see him against a yod, buakaw, or saenchai. then you can call yourself a conqueror of muay thai.
@puluking1579 not only that i hv heard from some source and in forums that cung le challenged him to a fight but he declined,guess hes not that good of a fighter when the time comes. Yea ur damn rite he always fights with jokes lol, so he can get a name for himself,try fighting real fighters i bet he too will lose
I want to take a kickboxing class, and I learned, quite recently, that I should avoid cardio kickboxing at all costs if I want the real stuff. So, general census, are kickboxing classes popular in America? I bloody live here and can't really tell. Worse is, I haven't the faintest idea how to even begin a SEARCH for a credible kickboxing program. Help? Helphelphelp? :]
I wish all this tyle vs syle shit would stop what happened when their was respect to other styles and practioners okay I will say muay thai is a great art but their will never be an superior art and those who think that are ignorant stuborn ass wholes.
@kevint32 .You r so stupid retard.All MMA champ now use Muaythai .[even Chunglee].K1 dominate by Muaythai.A lot of Muaythai fighter become boxing champ.
sanda is a mix of taekwondo, boxing, and shuai jiao(throws) techniques.
What a shame they didnt get a mix of their own variety of traditional wushu techniques like shaolin, wing chun or bagua zhang. Is chinese MA so fucked up now?
wrg. sanda was supposed to be an answer to muay thai meaning to say sanda hates muay thai why all the challenges in the early 200X?
If you look at sanda fighters, they clearly used sidekicks(modified of course), multiple leg combos and not to mention some jump-spin kicks. You dont find that in straight muay thai.
Reason for this neighbours MA is incorporated is because the traditional chinese MA masters refuse to open up their doors.
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that fckin idiot icw1980 is being a hater he doesnt no shiet about sanshou it doesnt matter what sanda came from because the point is sanshou would always beat any other martial arts american mma,tkd, muay thai, or any other
Dont be stupid, sanshou is ALMOST on par with Muay Thai dumbass. In fact when the 2nd time China sent their sanda team to Bangkok, they got slaughtered.
You're the ignorant fucking fanboy here. You only WISH sanda is NO 1 when in fact it is not. Hah! newb keyboard warrior, I can school you anyday.
@lcw1980 You're right. Sanshou is almost like Muay Thai. Most of people confuse between Muay Thai and Sanshou due to many similarities. And you're right again, when china sent their sanda team to Bangkok, they got slaughtered under Muay Thai rules by knee and elbow strikes.
Im not saying Sanshou sucks. However, give respect to Muay Thai. Muay Thai is much older than Sanshou which was developed in the 20th centuary.
@sirhighlanderdude also a part of acient mongol is part of china since several houndred of years. so another reason for it being acceptable to count as a chinese MA
@sirhighlanderdude Actually, you guys are both right. The chinese arts influenced other arts, and the others arts influenced sanda. It goes a full circle. I remembered reading somewhere that the military had to create a new fighting system because the one they had wasn't efficient, and that's why Sanda was created. The word Sanda previously meant "freestyle fighting", and now became a martial arts style. Sanda became a military art and later became a sport.
@sirhighlanderdude The reason why Sanda doesn't use a lot of chinese martial art because the chinese arts take too long to learn. The military need to teach a lot of new recruits in a short amount of time. The Chinese arts usually take years to learn because of finger and hand conditioning, and forms. Where as, kickboxing type martial arts can be effectively taught in just only three months of training. And then from there, the sport version was develop to promote the chinese sport martial art.
@sirhighlanderdude I don't see anything wrong with that. Taekwondo were influenced by japanese karate and ancient korean fighting arts that utilizes lots of kicking. Japanese karate were influenced by okinawan karate. Okinawan karate came from chinese white crane. Muay thai was influenced by chinese and indian martial arts and later adapted western boxing.
@lcw1980 there is nothing that says sanda gets it's styles from other martial arts and shiao jiao is derived from Jiao di that involved horned helmets. Don't try and act smart.
@lcw1980 just because both cultures have shuai jiao doesnt make it an Mongol descended MA. China has their own history of Shuai Jiao. It's ignorance to say that WRESTLING belongs to one culture. It's in ALL cultures.
Hell yes you ignorant stupid fuck. I was invited to a Sanda demonstration in Beijing during 2001 and Mr. Chen Chao there clearly stated they used alot of tkd kicks, albeit modified to use less chambering.
resorting to petty insults now bitch? i knew you are a fucking 8 year old poser. Your comment are nothing but whinings of a underaged ignorant retard. Got schooled aint ya?
Never mess with the big boys, you'll get flamed...BAD.
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your just a fat ass bitch who is a hater i feel sorry for you go make some friends and get off your ass you act like you know so much about martial arts then wtf are you doing at home you son of a bitch suck my dick
hah awwh you can do is lay on your fat ass and dream about learning martial arts i feel sorry for you pathetic ass bitch maybe if you like my ass ill teach u some real history faggot
@kevint32. Both figther should fight in their normal weight class. And allow everything Muaythai and sanda allow.Long clinch sould allow and no elbow pad.
haha, go knockout your self little faggot. bitch ass, ass bitch. you dont even know how to insult properly... i'll teach your mom a lesson tonight yo!
@lcw1980 Well you are told to train in Wushu as a base for Sanda. Infact when you see it in action the speed and frantic state that Sanda happens in, its very much reminiscent of more aggressive styles of Kung Fu. A documentary says it was evolved from Kung fu by rebels fighting in the early 20th century China.
@lcw1980 sanda in chinese means mix attacks . so its kinda like mma take wad its good and use it . some school teaches sanda but have different attacks some my school uses more muay thai and boxing
@lcw1980 Yes chinese martial arts are messed up now, notice how modern wushu and sanda has no internal aspects. The only way you get traditional chinese martial arts is to go to a school that specializes in it like hung gar, bak mei, wing chun, and choy lay fut. Also notice how no one has shaolin skills such as iron palm/fist anymore.
I dont even think iron palm/fist ever truly existed. It's just a joke. And it's true shaolin monks can not fight or else all shaolin skills and technique would be used in chinese military, not sanda, which is so similar to muay thai. Muay thai is the best honestly.
@TAC412 shaolin monks could fight before monarchy went down but i will admit that shaolin monks can't fight now. also you can't say that muay thai is the best it's just too ignorant
@lcw1980 Northern kung fu styles have kicks that are almost identical to TKD and shuai jiao is Chinese. Bökh is the mongolian style of wrestling. Sanda itself is based on the centuries old (if not longer) tradition of lei tai fighting. They don't use wing chun or bagua zhang because it wouldn't work...
Liu Hailong fight in 80 kg(in weight trime).But in fight time probably raise to 90 kg.he beat Muaythai fighter but in matter of fact there are no figther frome Thai as big as him.
I think Liu Hailong is a great fighter, although I'd love to see him fight Buakaw in the K-1 or in UFC or Pride. This would be an opportunity to display Sanda/Sanshou to the world. as these are the premium fighting events with the largest pay packets and most international exposure, naturally attracting only the best fighters. Unfortunately Sanshou and Chinese fighters have very little presence here, but there is no reason it won't change. Childish style vs style arguments won't help though.
From Wikimania :Liu has been dubbed the "Conqueror of Muay Thai" because he has beaten some top Muay Thai fighters in a series of "Sanda vs Muay Thai" challenges.Liu Hailong defeated Lukpoei Grabangkoei a Muay Thai champion from Thailand"
Ladies and Gentlemen
there is no champion name Lukpoei Grabangkoei Who is he ???.Most of the clips sanda vs. sanda.shame on you.
I'm not quite sure. But most of the video is not sanda vs sanda. there is two muay thai, two kyokushin karatekas, on russian sanda fighter and a few flashbacks of former sanda fights liu hailong has had.
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just because your an ignorant fuck doesnt change that liu hailong is the conqueror of muay thai is the thai fighters hav a problem with that then do something about it!
Ok, so one of the best guys in your martial art can beat some random muay thai fighters... Ok and lets say they were TOP MT fighters, SANSHOU = throws, NOT muay thai, its not even close to the same sport? In striking, the top muay thai guys rape the top Sanshou strikers.
THats like asking a SANSHOU fighter with no ground training or a BOXER to fight in the UFC!!! Its stupid. Unless he didnt use any throw moves, the rules arent fair.
yeah you're right. in Asia they have these Universal Rules for these Muay Thai vs. Sanshou fights. they put elbows in for the thai fighters, and then they put throws in for the sanshou fighters.
but the good thing is that cuz of these fights, they're expanding their techniques. more muay thai gyms are putting throws in their game and more sanda/sanshou gyms are putting in elbows and knees.
if you ask me. i think everyone benefits from these matches.
Sirhighlander, u've got it. I'm from Muaythai & so worried that our guys just can't accept the reality that martial arts r changing v fast. Only because we've adopted modern fighting & training techniques earlier doesn't guarantee will stay on top forever. The Chinese r very determined ppl & they show amazing progress. Fortunately, as you said, many Thais r smart enough & we now start adding throwing in our game. Look at Kyokushin, was once so respected but post Oyama they are going nowhere.
Muaythai has throws and locks but not allowed in the ring as this is for boxers be able to fight more often [make more money as they don't get much.] Go for skills and tactics.Throwing people over the ropes gives you disqualification.
not tru CUng Le has KO'ed many a muay thai gfighter, and endded up breaking ones arm too. BTW the top muay thai fighter is Anderson SIlva and that Cucckaw or bukkaw guy bukka's stand up skill has severely dwindled due to MMA rules, and his jiu jitsu sux, soo yea CUng would kill him, and now theyre talkng about pitting Cung Le against Silva.
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fuck! sanda always loose to real muaythai fighters. they never want to fihgt under full muaythai rules only to their pussy rules still they loose most of the time only win average muaythai fingters by points
yep in the late 60s to 70 kungfu went to thailand and got rape and went back crying and yelling saying muaythai isnt a sport but a brutal combat. thats why now thais have to wear elbow pads and no grabing to the nehile kneeing and the clinch is only 3 sec when thais fight sanda now. and whent hais win thai win by ko when chinese win they win by points. so thais have to ko the chinese to win or eles they will lose.
haha...its funny how you say kung fu got raped.....because there is only 1 style of kung fu hey? Your just some dick with no real knowledge of Kung Fu or martial arts in general......let me guess your muay thai teacher told you that story.....haha. Be more specific mate....what style?
cung lee never fought a thai fighter and never fought in thailand under thai rules. and hailong also never fought in thailand and in thai rules. hailong only fight thais in china and under sanda rules. he affraid of the thai rules caus ehe know his floppy ass body cant take a knee to the gut to many times and elbow to the head to many times.
with elbow pad? come on we are pro not amatuer fighting here. and the clicnh is only 3 second full thai rules clinch is as long as they want it to be.
elbow pads don't change the effects of the impact they just reduce the chances of cuts and bruises even so there are sanda fighters that have knocked out muay thais
Mix rule limit Muaythai clinch and use elbow pad but not limit anything from sanda.He fight with smaller Thai.And the man he fight was former Champ who past his prime.I will not bash Liu or Sanda but please dont say him as Conqueror of Muay Thai.
@angryaznman .Ok but what stadium and what weight class.Thai best is in Lumpinee 2nd in Rajdamnern.Best heavy figther in Thai is Yodsanklai [fight in 70 kg].Liu Hailong fight in 80kg.
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it doesnt even matter about weight becuz liu hai long was challenged by cung le when cung le is a higher weight as llong as your good at fighting it dont matter
yes he he fouight in Vale Tudo, and he fought in MMA ruling and we all know MMA ruling allows you to do more than muay thai. and MMA is obuiviously hardr. Cung Le has a bigger name in MMA out of alot of fighters from K-1 and stupid Bukkaw. lol MMA allows thai rules and everything. lmao i have never seen a Thai fighter out of thailand become an MMA champ..
@Nakorn24 Liu Hai Long doesn't strike me as the kind of man who'd be frightened of anyone. That aside, I rather imagine he'd get on better with Thai fighters, what with them all being levelled by the honesty of the ring and their profession, than any of the internet nationalists talking shite about martial arts.
well.dat doesnt prove anything.kung fu is a style n muay thai isa another.u cant compare them.its basically about the fighter,how hard he trains,how well he fights n how well he can utilise his style
Who? Liu Hailong? Or the Thai fighter? The Thai's name was given as Phinit Somphet in the match but on a website his name was given as Lukpoei Grabangkoei. Several people have identified him as Robert Kaenorrasing.
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Nice vid. But Sanda is SO gay! This fucn chinese cant beat a muay thai guy. Hes to gay for that. Every good muay thai apprentice would kill this weak boy. OSU!
well he hasn't got any worth opponents except for Salikov Muslim, but if you look good at his fights... hes never fighting serious, cuz you always see him laughing and joking around
RiListyle 2 days ago
yeah the real king would fight tuff comp..look at cung le he fought wanderlei and lost that one...maybe he'll fight anderson..nah silva will kill him..muay thai rules
shoto520 1 month ago
Y para quien prefiera probar con algo más suave que haga Qin-Na,que es lo mismo pero con espinilleras y solo se puede marcar,y va por puntos.El Sanda es a KO o KO técnico,y no se usan espinilleras.Yo hago Wushu,que entra Sanda y la verdad es que no está mal,tal vez vaya a alguna competicion de Qin-Na,y después,si hay ganas a una de Sanda...pero yo prefiero formas y las acrobacias...Nandu vamos.Bueno Salu2!
AGITOteam 6 months ago
sanda no es un mix de taekondo ,ni boxeo ,ni shai jiao..es simplemente lo basico de muchas formas del kung fu tradicional chino hecho un deporte competitivo..sanda es kung fu y nada mas....y el sanda para combatir es extremadamente buena,a mi parecer lo mejor que uno pueda practicar..
tommyvercetti3000 7 months ago
@tommyvercetti3000 sin duda,además es muy completo,se podría decir que el kickboxing es casi lo mismo,con la diferencia de que el Sanda tiene muchas más cosas.Para a quien le guste competir dandose de ostias que pille Sanda,que lo demás no es nada comparado con el Sanda.
AGITOteam 6 months ago
does anybody out there know the artist and/or the name of this somg? i like it very much and would love to get it as an mp3!
marquismyfriend 7 months ago
liu only defeated two high ranking thai boxers under sanda rule. liu was the best sanda fighter of his era but the title of conqueror of muay thai is way inaccurate.dekker and danny bill were the few who made a genuine attempt to beat all the thai champs. they both did not succeed. please sanda fans, stop lying to yourself
brothersixteen 8 months ago 2
I don't know where the hell did you guys heard Sanda is TKD or whatever, Sanda evolved from strictly Chinese MA. I do Kung Fu and some of our kicks are almost the same as some TKD uses, so what? People are forgetting that Kung Fu has been around for 4,000 years and it is the father of most oriental martial arts. Anyhow, Sanda is Kung Fu for competition, just as Muay Thai is the competition form of Muay Boran. Kung Fu is not usable in the ring, but effective in the street.
Lestat220289 9 months ago
how can you say that you are "conquerer" when u take someone and fight in your own rules We don't practice throwing in Muay Thai but you count the marks for throwing We usually use elbow but you prohibited it we ALWAYS get in the clinch but you dont allow that to last long. Now, you think u r the "conquerer"?
momocitoes 10 months ago
he wuld be killed by buakua!!!
aykp7823 10 months ago
name of song plz?
jinruizhang 1 year ago
@jinruizhang Fearless - Jay Chou
kangriyx 1 year ago
LOL! My Thai friend who does Muay Thai, and who is 15-0, would kick this guy's ass w/in 2-3 rounds. Those Muay Thai guys he is fighting are noobs...
Aside from boxing, Muay Thai is the next real deal...
Shaolin, Dragon style, Tiger style, and all those pretentious Chinese Martial Arts would all get owned!
BoredSpectre 1 year ago
Muay tai got owned
Seres1091 1 year ago
What about cung le?
solistas95 1 year ago
sanshou Is The Best martial art you can use a lot of technical
plus you have to have speed in enchainments
is the mixing of three boxing sports Teakwondo and projections as judo and other sports
muaythaiboxers 1 year ago
Sanda is for pussies. Most fight win by throws. Go play wrestling la. Sucks big time.
Pussy moves how come never win K1 or UFC if it is that good? Noob video uploader.
KFDeity 1 year ago
@KFDeity hey faggot stop sucking your dream fantasies. Sanda has wrestling dumbass what's the matter can't stand that sanda beating every martial art you can name such as muay thai, kyokushin, BJJ, etc. Accept it prick sanda rules
SunWukong4 1 year ago
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SimKoning 11 months ago
@KFDeity How many thai boxers have won the ufc without any grappling skills.... oh wait, that's right, ZERO.
SimKoning 11 months ago
wtf are you allowed to throw people out of the ring like that?
utukk 1 year ago
Muay Thai fighters are some serious guys
duspara564735412 1 year ago
liu hai long is da great sanda in asia..
crusherwu 1 year ago
what is the name of this song?
georgiaoliveira 1 year ago
@novepe
Muay thai is effective so is sanshou, but every martial arts are not perfect. Kung fu is not perfect too. I'd also say sanshou is more like a modernized boxing if you asked me
TAC412 1 year ago 10
nice video and nice song
ESE1ONE 1 year ago
Will he fight Buakaw?
taych03 1 year ago 9
Has he fought Saenchai?
taych03 1 year ago 19
Why this video is titled, conqueror of muay thai? Is it because muay thai is well known for its efficiency and chinese people try to promote sanshou? Come on, Liu Hailong never fought under muay thai rules but always sanshou's rules. By saying sanshou is a conqueror of muay thai doesnt help anything...
TAC412 1 year ago 3
@TAC412 Agreed that he never fought under muay thai rules, but how come they say muay thai is so efficient that if you allow throws the thai fighter just know that he is going to loose?
novepe 1 year ago
@TAC412 its under so called "unified rules" where both sides agreed under negotiations
wiredtoawall 1 year ago
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Cung le never fought in thailand under Muay Thai rules. I wonder why?
Even tho it seems to show that sanda owns Muay Thai, Muay Thai is still more widely used and practised. I wonder why?
Sanda is great because it's almost like Muay Thai and Muay thai is awesome. Dont try to promote Sanda by deteriorating Muay Thai. Not cool
SinclairCeltics1990 1 year ago
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Sanda is the best standing Martial Art inside the ring!!! Look at my last comment to understand why I said that!
MrHueyhuey 1 year ago
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There were already 6 times Sanda vs Muay Thai Competitions. They held them both in China and Thailand respectively. In addition, Chinese Sanda won 5 times and only lost 1 times to Muay Thai. Please note that all the fighters fought in these competitions were the best of sports since Thailand sent their 5 biggest champs of their country to fight against China in their last competition. The aftermath is Chinese Sander fighters won 4 of their champs and lost only once by a decision.
MrHueyhuey 1 year ago
Its not about the martial art, but the person with the art
sengoku17 1 year ago 3
I like this track,. where can i get it?
randyds5 1 year ago
Great video.
chris96kalonji 2 years ago
fuck you
douafreedomgtmuaytha 2 years ago
dude, he's good, but I don't see him fighting any real good fighters. these fights are set up for him to win, his opponents look dumpy. i want to see him against a yod, buakaw, or saenchai. then you can call yourself a conqueror of muay thai.
puluking1579 2 years ago 37
@puluking1579 not only that i hv heard from some source and in forums that cung le challenged him to a fight but he declined,guess hes not that good of a fighter when the time comes. Yea ur damn rite he always fights with jokes lol, so he can get a name for himself,try fighting real fighters i bet he too will lose
MechPhantom 1 year ago
@puluking1579 cung le is also a very good martial artist but hes done shanshou
dutch0dragon 5 months ago
Off topic:
I want to take a kickboxing class, and I learned, quite recently, that I should avoid cardio kickboxing at all costs if I want the real stuff. So, general census, are kickboxing classes popular in America? I bloody live here and can't really tell. Worse is, I haven't the faintest idea how to even begin a SEARCH for a credible kickboxing program. Help? Helphelphelp? :]
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SinclairCeltics1990 2 years ago
I wish all this tyle vs syle shit would stop what happened when their was respect to other styles and practioners okay I will say muay thai is a great art but their will never be an superior art and those who think that are ignorant stuborn ass wholes.
wushustuntman 2 years ago
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muay thai only uses black magic and training for animals and dogs sanshou is truly the conqueror for their techniques
kevint32 2 years ago
@kevint32 .You r so stupid retard.All MMA champ now use Muaythai .[even Chunglee].K1 dominate by Muaythai.A lot of Muaythai fighter become boxing champ.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
your a dumb ass bitch you dont even no how to spell cung le right you ignorant piece of shit suck my dick
kevint32 2 years ago
@kevint32 And you are brainless gay kid who type name Cung Le with small letter.cung le lol
nosta3824382 2 years ago
@nosta3824382 Cung Lee incorperated muay thai into his sanshou (sanda kung fu chinese kickboxing )
beentheredonethatm8 1 year ago 9
@beentheredonethatm8 Yes I know from wiki he use Sanshou Muay Thai, Taekwondo Viet Vo Dao Wrestling and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu thx for reply.
nosta3824382 1 year ago 9
Want to see San Da boxers vs. Myanmar Lethwei under Lethwei rules of no point and no gloves.
shwefist 2 years ago
those myanmar fights would get there ass beat
kevint32 2 years ago
sanda is a mix of taekwondo, boxing, and shuai jiao(throws) techniques.
What a shame they didnt get a mix of their own variety of traditional wushu techniques like shaolin, wing chun or bagua zhang. Is chinese MA so fucked up now?
lcw1980 2 years ago 14
shuai jiao is a chinese martial art
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago 2
Its a mongol descended MA. dont try to be smart
lcw1980 2 years ago 9
yeah i wish they added more traditional chinese MA into sanda. a lot of the kicks come from muay thai as opposed to taekwondo though.
and shuai jiao did derive from the mongolians, but it changed significantly in china and has been accepted as a chinese martial art.
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago 7
wrg. sanda was supposed to be an answer to muay thai meaning to say sanda hates muay thai why all the challenges in the early 200X?
If you look at sanda fighters, they clearly used sidekicks(modified of course), multiple leg combos and not to mention some jump-spin kicks. You dont find that in straight muay thai.
Reason for this neighbours MA is incorporated is because the traditional chinese MA masters refuse to open up their doors.
lcw1980 2 years ago
@lcw1980 sanda was used before chinese were fighting muay thai fighters. It was meant for the military not shitty fights in the ring
wiredtoawall 1 year ago
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that fckin idiot icw1980 is being a hater he doesnt no shiet about sanshou it doesnt matter what sanda came from because the point is sanshou would always beat any other martial arts american mma,tkd, muay thai, or any other
kevint32 2 years ago
Dont be stupid, sanshou is ALMOST on par with Muay Thai dumbass. In fact when the 2nd time China sent their sanda team to Bangkok, they got slaughtered.
You're the ignorant fucking fanboy here. You only WISH sanda is NO 1 when in fact it is not. Hah! newb keyboard warrior, I can school you anyday.
lcw1980 2 years ago 7
@lcw1980 You're right. Sanshou is almost like Muay Thai. Most of people confuse between Muay Thai and Sanshou due to many similarities. And you're right again, when china sent their sanda team to Bangkok, they got slaughtered under Muay Thai rules by knee and elbow strikes.
Im not saying Sanshou sucks. However, give respect to Muay Thai. Muay Thai is much older than Sanshou which was developed in the 20th centuary.
SinclairCeltics1990 1 year ago 10
@SinclairCeltics1990 muay thai also got slaughtered under sanda rules 4-1
liverpoolsoowns 1 year ago
@sirhighlanderdude sanda kicks don't come from muay thai nothing when you research sanda says anything derived from other styles outside china.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@sirhighlanderdude also a part of acient mongol is part of china since several houndred of years. so another reason for it being acceptable to count as a chinese MA
jinruizhang 1 year ago
@sirhighlanderdude Actually, you guys are both right. The chinese arts influenced other arts, and the others arts influenced sanda. It goes a full circle. I remembered reading somewhere that the military had to create a new fighting system because the one they had wasn't efficient, and that's why Sanda was created. The word Sanda previously meant "freestyle fighting", and now became a martial arts style. Sanda became a military art and later became a sport.
GetDamage 1 year ago
@sirhighlanderdude The reason why Sanda doesn't use a lot of chinese martial art because the chinese arts take too long to learn. The military need to teach a lot of new recruits in a short amount of time. The Chinese arts usually take years to learn because of finger and hand conditioning, and forms. Where as, kickboxing type martial arts can be effectively taught in just only three months of training. And then from there, the sport version was develop to promote the chinese sport martial art.
GetDamage 1 year ago
@sirhighlanderdude I don't see anything wrong with that. Taekwondo were influenced by japanese karate and ancient korean fighting arts that utilizes lots of kicking. Japanese karate were influenced by okinawan karate. Okinawan karate came from chinese white crane. Muay thai was influenced by chinese and indian martial arts and later adapted western boxing.
GetDamage 1 year ago
@lcw1980 there is nothing that says sanda gets it's styles from other martial arts and shiao jiao is derived from Jiao di that involved horned helmets. Don't try and act smart.
SunWukong4 1 year ago
@lcw1980 just because both cultures have shuai jiao doesnt make it an Mongol descended MA. China has their own history of Shuai Jiao. It's ignorance to say that WRESTLING belongs to one culture. It's in ALL cultures.
fadedsideways 1 year ago
@lcw1980 and taekwondo > karate> kung fu
rossik 10 months ago
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hell no tae kwon do was not mixed in sanshou
kevint32 2 years ago
Hell yes you ignorant stupid fuck. I was invited to a Sanda demonstration in Beijing during 2001 and Mr. Chen Chao there clearly stated they used alot of tkd kicks, albeit modified to use less chambering.
lcw1980 2 years ago 7
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fuck no you stupid piece of shit u dont no any martial arts i shud spit in your face you fucking faggot tkd can lick my nuts bitch
kevint32 2 years ago
resorting to petty insults now bitch? i knew you are a fucking 8 year old poser. Your comment are nothing but whinings of a underaged ignorant retard. Got schooled aint ya?
Never mess with the big boys, you'll get flamed...BAD.
lcw1980 2 years ago 5
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your just a fat ass bitch who is a hater i feel sorry for you go make some friends and get off your ass you act like you know so much about martial arts then wtf are you doing at home you son of a bitch suck my dick
kevint32 2 years ago
LOL, I do know about MA MORE THAN YOU DO liltle squirt. Now stop whining and go to bed shithead. Your momma and I have some business to do. Woohoo!
lcw1980 2 years ago 3
hah awwh you can do is lay on your fat ass and dream about learning martial arts i feel sorry for you pathetic ass bitch maybe if you like my ass ill teach u some real history faggot
kevint32 2 years ago
@kevint32 .How about Badr Hari fight with Liu Hailong in heavyweight class is fair for u?How about prohibit trowing?
nosta3824382 2 years ago
@kevint32. Both figther should fight in their normal weight class. And allow everything Muaythai and sanda allow.Long clinch sould allow and no elbow pad.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
haha, go knockout your self little faggot. bitch ass, ass bitch. you dont even know how to insult properly... i'll teach your mom a lesson tonight yo!
lcw1980 2 years ago
@lcw1980 Well you are told to train in Wushu as a base for Sanda. Infact when you see it in action the speed and frantic state that Sanda happens in, its very much reminiscent of more aggressive styles of Kung Fu. A documentary says it was evolved from Kung fu by rebels fighting in the early 20th century China.
NeiLoMei 1 year ago
@lcw1980 sanda in chinese means mix attacks . so its kinda like mma take wad its good and use it . some school teaches sanda but have different attacks some my school uses more muay thai and boxing
Wingchunskunk 1 year ago
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lcw1980 1 year ago
@lcw1980 Yes chinese martial arts are messed up now, notice how modern wushu and sanda has no internal aspects. The only way you get traditional chinese martial arts is to go to a school that specializes in it like hung gar, bak mei, wing chun, and choy lay fut. Also notice how no one has shaolin skills such as iron palm/fist anymore.
TH3aznEmperor 1 year ago
@TH3aznEmperor
I dont even think iron palm/fist ever truly existed. It's just a joke. And it's true shaolin monks can not fight or else all shaolin skills and technique would be used in chinese military, not sanda, which is so similar to muay thai. Muay thai is the best honestly.
TAC412 1 year ago 6
@TAC412 shaolin monks could fight before monarchy went down but i will admit that shaolin monks can't fight now. also you can't say that muay thai is the best it's just too ignorant
TH3aznEmperor 1 year ago
@TH3aznEmperor My bad
TAC412 1 year ago
@lcw1980 retard. sanda has been around long before even tkd existed and before boxing as we know it...
it means free hand, and was used when different styles back in the day was gonna fight, they fought san shou (san da).
and from there it is. so if a guy throws a spinning kick it is from TKD? fuck, i hate you guys
Kudiz 1 year ago
@Kudiz Why yes. Hope that answers your question.
lcw1980 1 year ago
@lcw1980 taekwondo is from korea, sanda is the combat part taught of chinese martial arts
I practice shaolin kung fu and for combat use sanda, just like in wushu tournaments
lsbus 1 year ago
@lcw1980 Northern kung fu styles have kicks that are almost identical to TKD and shuai jiao is Chinese. Bökh is the mongolian style of wrestling. Sanda itself is based on the centuries old (if not longer) tradition of lei tai fighting. They don't use wing chun or bagua zhang because it wouldn't work...
SimKoning 11 months ago
@SimKoning You're wrong, sumbody in the 90's used straight Bagua Zhang and cleaned up thai boxers in Lumpini.
lcw1980 11 months ago
@lcw1980 Can you send me a link?
SimKoning 11 months ago
@SimKoning its no longer there. It was a guy from sweden that trained in Bagua Zhang if im not mistaken
lcw1980 11 months ago
@lcw1980
Most practical Chinese martial art is not designed to fight in the ring. They're born to KILL.
nerflirui 10 months ago
@lcw1980 dude sanda is a combination of only kung fu styles. there was no other influence that came from ouutside china.
heavyironmusic 7 months ago
havnt heard of those guys he beat he needs to step up
headkicka 2 years ago
Liu Hailong fight in 80 kg(in weight trime).But in fight time probably raise to 90 kg.he beat Muaythai fighter but in matter of fact there are no figther frome Thai as big as him.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
MUAY THAI RULES!
BIGOGEE 2 years ago
sanda and muay thai rulez
djsimo149 2 years ago
there is no strongest technique but only strongest fighter
ZGKBFZ 2 years ago
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djsimo149 2 years ago
I think Liu Hailong is a great fighter, although I'd love to see him fight Buakaw in the K-1 or in UFC or Pride. This would be an opportunity to display Sanda/Sanshou to the world. as these are the premium fighting events with the largest pay packets and most international exposure, naturally attracting only the best fighters. Unfortunately Sanshou and Chinese fighters have very little presence here, but there is no reason it won't change. Childish style vs style arguments won't help though.
shogunmasterjg 2 years ago
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totally agree with you ive always thought the same liu hailong and buakaw would be the match of the century
kevint32 2 years ago
Oh man Cung Lee vs Anderson Silva would be awesome.
IamAlwaysRight 2 years ago
i agree. but i haven't been keeping up with UFC lately.
is it going to happen? i really would like to watch that.
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago
sanda rocks i wanna get into it
shuriken86 2 years ago 2
you always loose suckers!!!
tintongp 2 years ago
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I'd bet my english is 10 times better than yours, fucking chink suck my dick now. faggot!!
tintongp 2 years ago
you are a dirty animal.
jamesdor123 2 years ago
From Wikimania :Liu has been dubbed the "Conqueror of Muay Thai" because he has beaten some top Muay Thai fighters in a series of "Sanda vs Muay Thai" challenges.Liu Hailong defeated Lukpoei Grabangkoei a Muay Thai champion from Thailand"
Ladies and Gentlemen
there is no champion name Lukpoei Grabangkoei Who is he ???.Most of the clips sanda vs. sanda.shame on you.
yimmiytube 2 years ago
I'm not quite sure. But most of the video is not sanda vs sanda. there is two muay thai, two kyokushin karatekas, on russian sanda fighter and a few flashbacks of former sanda fights liu hailong has had.
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago
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just because your an ignorant fuck doesnt change that liu hailong is the conqueror of muay thai is the thai fighters hav a problem with that then do something about it!
kevint32 2 years ago
Ok, so one of the best guys in your martial art can beat some random muay thai fighters... Ok and lets say they were TOP MT fighters, SANSHOU = throws, NOT muay thai, its not even close to the same sport? In striking, the top muay thai guys rape the top Sanshou strikers.
THats like asking a SANSHOU fighter with no ground training or a BOXER to fight in the UFC!!! Its stupid. Unless he didnt use any throw moves, the rules arent fair.
IamAlwaysRight 2 years ago
yeah you're right. in Asia they have these Universal Rules for these Muay Thai vs. Sanshou fights. they put elbows in for the thai fighters, and then they put throws in for the sanshou fighters.
but the good thing is that cuz of these fights, they're expanding their techniques. more muay thai gyms are putting throws in their game and more sanda/sanshou gyms are putting in elbows and knees.
if you ask me. i think everyone benefits from these matches.
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago
Sirhighlander, u've got it. I'm from Muaythai & so worried that our guys just can't accept the reality that martial arts r changing v fast. Only because we've adopted modern fighting & training techniques earlier doesn't guarantee will stay on top forever. The Chinese r very determined ppl & they show amazing progress. Fortunately, as you said, many Thais r smart enough & we now start adding throwing in our game. Look at Kyokushin, was once so respected but post Oyama they are going nowhere.
Ultra1980 2 years ago
Muaythai has throws and locks but not allowed in the ring as this is for boxers be able to fight more often [make more money as they don't get much.] Go for skills and tactics.Throwing people over the ropes gives you disqualification.
yimmiytube 2 years ago
you are a dirty animal.
jamesdor123 2 years ago
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i think your comments are the most mature hah you dont judge
kevint32 2 years ago
not tru CUng Le has KO'ed many a muay thai gfighter, and endded up breaking ones arm too. BTW the top muay thai fighter is Anderson SIlva and that Cucckaw or bukkaw guy bukka's stand up skill has severely dwindled due to MMA rules, and his jiu jitsu sux, soo yea CUng would kill him, and now theyre talkng about pitting Cung Le against Silva.
shuriken86 2 years ago
cung le never fought in thailand.
Nakorn24 2 years ago 2
Sanda pussy fighters!!! sucks!!
tintongp 2 years ago
Sanda is cool. Proof that kung fu is badass.
rottenzombie27 2 years ago 3
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fuck! sanda always loose to real muaythai fighters. they never want to fihgt under full muaythai rules only to their pussy rules still they loose most of the time only win average muaythai fingters by points
tintongp 2 years ago
you go to fight with muaythai if u have guts
eatinglove 2 years ago
yep in the late 60s to 70 kungfu went to thailand and got rape and went back crying and yelling saying muaythai isnt a sport but a brutal combat. thats why now thais have to wear elbow pads and no grabing to the nehile kneeing and the clinch is only 3 sec when thais fight sanda now. and whent hais win thai win by ko when chinese win they win by points. so thais have to ko the chinese to win or eles they will lose.
Nakorn24 2 years ago
but hey man sport is spot...
shuriken86 2 years ago
haha...its funny how you say kung fu got raped.....because there is only 1 style of kung fu hey? Your just some dick with no real knowledge of Kung Fu or martial arts in general......let me guess your muay thai teacher told you that story.....haha. Be more specific mate....what style?
emptycup3 2 years ago
strong words from a country that only produces prostitutes.
jamesdor123 2 years ago
lmao and so far two snda fighters have raped muay thai Cung Le and Hailong.
shuriken86 2 years ago
cung lee never fought a thai fighter and never fought in thailand under thai rules. and hailong also never fought in thailand and in thai rules. hailong only fight thais in china and under sanda rules. he affraid of the thai rules caus ehe know his floppy ass body cant take a knee to the gut to many times and elbow to the head to many times.
Nakorn24 2 years ago 2
acutally. none of these mixed fights are under sanda rules. they are all under the unified rules which is a mix between sanda and muay thai.
thais keep stuff like the elbow and sanda guys get to keep throws. its pretty equal ^-^
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago
with elbow pad? come on we are pro not amatuer fighting here. and the clicnh is only 3 second full thai rules clinch is as long as they want it to be.
Nakorn24 2 years ago
elbow pads don't change the effects of the impact they just reduce the chances of cuts and bruises even so there are sanda fighters that have knocked out muay thais
SunWukong4 2 years ago
Mix rule limit Muaythai clinch and use elbow pad but not limit anything from sanda.He fight with smaller Thai.And the man he fight was former Champ who past his prime.I will not bash Liu or Sanda but please dont say him as Conqueror of Muay Thai.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
Liu Hailong defeated Lukpoei Grabangkoei a Muay Thai champion from Thailand.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman .Ok but what stadium and what weight class.Thai best is in Lumpinee 2nd in Rajdamnern.Best heavy figther in Thai is Yodsanklai [fight in 70 kg].Liu Hailong fight in 80kg.
nosta3824382 2 years ago 2
liu is retired lol. of course you are going to have champions in many weight classes he didnt beat.
angryaznman 2 years ago
@angryaznman Actually my point is Thai use smaller weight class.I not ask Liu to beat all weight class.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
After read my former post.I say that Liu fight with former champ.Then u want to argue that Liu fight with current champ. U r right.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
@angryaznman It my false so sorry.
nosta3824382 2 years ago
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it doesnt even matter about weight becuz liu hai long was challenged by cung le when cung le is a higher weight as llong as your good at fighting it dont matter
kevint32 2 years ago
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liu hailong will always be the conqueror of muay thai dont forget that
kevint32 2 years ago
yes he he fouight in Vale Tudo, and he fought in MMA ruling and we all know MMA ruling allows you to do more than muay thai. and MMA is obuiviously hardr. Cung Le has a bigger name in MMA out of alot of fighters from K-1 and stupid Bukkaw. lol MMA allows thai rules and everything. lmao i have never seen a Thai fighter out of thailand become an MMA champ..
shuriken86 2 years ago
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djsimo149 2 years ago
Agreed to that, my friend!
But Liu is pretty beast too :)
DJFistOfCurry 2 years ago
@Nakorn24 Liu Hai Long doesn't strike me as the kind of man who'd be frightened of anyone. That aside, I rather imagine he'd get on better with Thai fighters, what with them all being levelled by the honesty of the ring and their profession, than any of the internet nationalists talking shite about martial arts.
Thecrazyjords 1 year ago
and where is it exactly u heard this info? also theyre both awesome styles. no need to bash on one or the other.
dss103 2 years ago 2
well.dat doesnt prove anything.kung fu is a style n muay thai isa another.u cant compare them.its basically about the fighter,how hard he trains,how well he fights n how well he can utilise his style
stygianmessiah 2 years ago
2:30, owned!!!
BioBoosterSoldier 2 years ago
sanda side kicks is a counter to the muay thai rouund house.
shuriken86 2 years ago
is this guy in actual K-1 or is he still doing sanshou bouts? real test is him getting into MMA.
shuriken86 2 years ago
Sanda is pretty badass!! I like it as it is a "complete" martial art. Mixing in training for ALL aspects of fighting! More please!!! :-)
GJJFan 3 years ago 2
The guy Liu throws out of the ring twice was the national champion of Muay Thai from Thailand
sirhighlanderdude 3 years ago
Really? I never heard or have seen holding any legitimate title in Muay Thai whatsoever. Details please.
stackmo2 2 years ago
Who? Liu Hailong? Or the Thai fighter? The Thai's name was given as Phinit Somphet in the match but on a website his name was given as Lukpoei Grabangkoei. Several people have identified him as Robert Kaenorrasing.
sirhighlanderdude 2 years ago
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Nice vid. But Sanda is SO gay! This fucn chinese cant beat a muay thai guy. Hes to gay for that. Every good muay thai apprentice would kill this weak boy. OSU!
Ericwvm 3 years ago
Say that to his face. I dare you.
sampah38 2 years ago 6