I think that we all must love each other no matter race , color , etc , respect the the 10th commandment and to not be fanatics in our religion no matter what religion it is . Search and find god , do what you must do but put on the scales good and bad because we all can do that .
The Bible was written by man... lol sure that is why it has a verse like Genesis 6:4 right? Or tells us about Jesus hundreds of years before He was born (Isaiah 53:5)
the guys facts are off, but he's still right. No one know who wrote the bible, or when. Luke boasted he was only giving eyewitness accounts from reliable people, then he listed the geneology from adam to jesus! Who witnessed that? Who witnessed what jesus said and did when he was ALONE in the desert for 40 days? Obviously NOBODY, but did that stop Luke from narrating the event? The bible is mythology, pure human fabrication. its been proven false on every major issue.
@downtoawhisper What word of god?! WHEN did any gods speak to you? All you have is other PEOPLE claiming a god spoke to them, with no evidence back it up. If you are willing to take the word of MEN at face value, and assume they cannot possibly be lying to you, that explains religion in a nut shell!
@downtoawhisper you only want a complete list of all books and articles Ive read in my entire life? Not interested in TV shows, movies, DVDs? Do you also want to know what I ate for every meal since the day I was born? Oh wait, I have better things to do.
The reason I ask you what books you have read is because I want to know how you can be sure that the books and articles you have read are true. Did you witness anything that you have read in history books?
@downtoawhisper the authors of history books do NOT claim to speak on behalf of a creator/god, and they do not use blackmail / bribe threats of hell and heaven based on whether or not you think their acccount is accurate. Whether or not a person, like MLK actually existed in not critical, what is critical is that black americans at one time had no civil rights, and SOMEONE pushed our govenment to change the laws. Believe in MLK or not, the laws still apply to everyone. Not so with religion.
Ok, so the laws that are in place today speak on behalf of Martin Luther King Jr, which means that we can trust what is written about him. Do you think that nothing in this world speaks on behalf of God so that we should trust His word? (I know you don't believe that it is God's word, but just humor me for a moment)
@downtoawhisper Which god are you referring to? Lets go sit on the top floor of the world trade center and talk about the glory of allah. lets go sit on the pyramids of S america, stained in human blood, and talk about the glory of the aztec gods. Lets get some crackers and grape juice and pretend we are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a human sacrifice named jesus. There is nothing good in religion, only control and destruction of anyone who will not submit to the HUMAN overlords.
My friend, I am referring to the one and only God of the Universe. If you study these other so-called gods, you will see that they have been fabricated. Study a little bit about how Muslims treat their wives...or what happens when someone converts to Christianity in their countries. The Aztec gods are simply attempts to give characteristics to nature as I understand it. In these other religions, no one existed who made self assured claims as Jesus did. Back in His days, people....
@downtoawhisper There are no gods to study, only human fabricated mythology, including YOURS. You can see all the others are fabricated, but when it comes to YOURS you got full tilt moron and believe every word the ancient jews came up with, even the things you KNOW cannot possibly be true.
Ok, so earlier, you said that you know that we can trust historical facts of Martin Luther King Jr. because the laws that are in place now speak on his behalf.
Where do you think the laws of the universe came from?
@downtoawhisper The universe is what it is. There is no need for it to have 'come from' anywhere. If you have no problem with the idea of a god that has always existed, I have no problem with a universe that has always existed. We dont know what form or state it was in before 13.6 billion years ago, but seriously, from the time you wake up in the morning, till you go to sleep at night, what does that matter?
....only made claims if they had a higher authority to base them off of. Jesus came around and began saying, "I am the way the truth and the life, and no one can come to the Father except through me." and He said, "I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." This was the reason for much of the controversy surrounding Him. People didn't like Him claiming to be His OWN authority. This meant that He was equal...
....to the most high God of the Universe. They didn't understand the Trinity.
If you want to discount the Bible and toss it aside with the rest of the trash, you might want to be aware of the countless prophesies that occurred in the text. 25% of the Bible predicted future events...and every one of them came true to a tee (of course except for the end times prophesies, which are yet to come). Over the course of the 1500 years it took to compile the Bible's 60 books, what do....
@downtoawhisper you drank all the koolaid, didnt you? You think the bible was written by people who WITNESSED the things jesus said and did? then WHO witnessed what jesus did when he was ALONE In the wilderness for 40 days? Dont think too hard or blood will gush from your nose! The people who wrote the storys made them say whatever they WANTED it to say, because its all made up. They HAD the old testiment, and wrote the new to match the predictions. Surely you are not so stupid you cant see it?
@MrHobiecat Come on, get your bible out. Read how Luke and john claim to be reporting reputable 'eyewitness accounts ' of the things jesus said and did. Then read the part about jesus being ALONE in the desert for 40 days, temped by the devil, and come back and tell me that honestly doesnt bother you, that NO ONE was there to see it, but they WROTE IT ALL DOWN ANYWAY. So tell me, WHO told them what to write, and then pretend they were eyewitnesses?!
....toss aside all rationality and take a blind leap of faith. I suppose some people may choose to believe in Christianity and not truly understand why they believe it, but I am not one of those people. When I took my leap of faith, it was very calculated. Once I realized that there is no way to live consistently without God in this life, I really began to understand that not only does God exist, but I should listen to Him.
I will send you my testimony so that you can better....
@downtoawhisper I like the way you totally ignore questions that show your faith in the authors of the bible is totally misplaced. In order to embrace religion, you must reject reality, including the reality of the obvious fabrications in your own religion.
"I like the way you totally ignore questions that show your faith in the authors of the bible is totally misplaced."
Clearly you don't know this about me, considering the fact that we have never met....but I used to see the world and our existence very similarly to the way that you do. When I began hearing the Truth, I resisted it for quite some time because I didn't want to admit that I wasn't living my life the way that I should be. If I were to admit that God was real....
....then that would mean that I would have to change a LOT about my life. This didn't sit well with me...I liked answering to myself and no one else. However, I soon began to understand that there is a standard to live by....and also WHY the standard is there. Soon enough, I repented from my many sins and trusted in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the only one who can save any of us.
Here's the thing. Many people think that in order to make this decision, you must....
@downtoawhisper ah, so there you go, you were full of guilt and remorse for things YOU DID, and someone came along, claiming to speak on hehalf of a loving creator/god, and thats all you needed to hear. Maybe you committed many crimes in your life, but do you honestly believe that a CHILD is guilty of the crime of being born, for which it deserves to burn in hell forever? Do you honestly believe that collecting firewood on a saturday is worthy of eternal punishment?
@downtoawhisper ... do you believe YOU did anything that warrants an ETERNAL punishment of torture? There is no rational behind the bible threats. If the penatly of sin is death, we ALL DIE, and would therefore pay all our debts when we die. No need for a human sacrifice. And if the penalty is eternity in hell, then jesus would have to spend eternity in hell to pay for your sins. You've been scammed by a guy in nice clothes holding a collection plate. There clearly are rules we live by (cont)..
@Enygmah0616 It doesnt matter what you believe. Magical thinking has no effect on what happens to you. Based on our best medical research, your awareness, consciousness, memory, character, intellect and personality are ALL functions of your physical brain. People that are sedated or asleep and not dreaming have no awareness. People who suffer brain injury lose all those functions. When your brain cells die, you will cease to exist. So, where is religion in the face of reality?
@MrHobiecat You said, "When your brain cells die, you will cease to exist." What if you are wrong? And where is religion in the face of reality? It's not about religion, and that is a very common mistake that a lot of people make. It is about a relationship with Jesus Christ. Truth be told, God actually hates religion. You may not believe in Heaven or Hell being the only options after you die, but that doesn't stop them from being real. Try not believing in gravity, it still exists.
@MrHobiecat If that doesn't suit you, try not believing in semi trucks and walk into a highway. It won't stop the trucks from being real. We are all guilty criminals in God's eyes, and there is no way we can pay our fine. God is a Holy and Good Judge, and He can't just let us go. But, He provided a way out. He became a man(Jesus Christ) and died on the cross and rose again, defeating death. All you have to do is repent(turn from your sins) and put your faith in Jesus and God will give you
@MrHobiecat what you don't deserve... Salvation. But if He gives us what we do deserve, that would be eternity in Hell, because none of us are good, none of us are perfect. We all have broken God's Law; The Ten Commandments, and for that we deserve punishment. Trust in Jesus today, for tomorrow might be your day that you die. Read your bible daily and obey what it says.
@Enygmah0616 we have all broken gods law? When did I commit any crime worthy of eternal torture? YOU have to make up things, like the act of BEING BORN, and then say, anyone who is born, even a baby, is guilty and deserves to be tortured forever.
That is PURE KWRAP, and you know it. If we take you out and beat YOU nearly to death, then nail you to a cross and let you die, will you say "Well, I guess I deserve this, after all, I was BORN!" ???
@Enygmah0616 Its religious people that think "if I believe one thing, I will live forever in a city of gold, and if I think something else, I will burn in hell". Its called MAGICAL THINKING, and its what religion is based on.
In reality, what you know & understand is what makes your life better. I know stepping infront of a heavy moving object will kill me, because I TOOK PHYSICS. I know the bible stories are BS, because the earth was not created 144 generations before jesus, LIKE HE SAID!
@MrHobiecat You know that the bible stories are not true? Well, I have a question for you then. Out of all the possible known knowledge in the entire world, what percentage of that known knowledge would you say that you possess? 5%, 10%, 3%? No one knows everything. So whatever percentage that you possess, could it be possible that in the remaining X percent, you could be wrong about your beliefs in God and what happens after you die? 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is God breathed."
The gosples claim to be 'eyewitness accounts' and then detail events for which NO eyewitness was present: jesus ALONE in the desert for 40 days. Things Herod said and did in SECRET. The stories are OBVIOUSLY FABRICATE.
How much of the bible do I have to show is WRONG to prove it is NOT the word of a creator/god?
Logically, if ANY of it is wrong, then it is NOT the perfect word of god, IS IT?
@Enygmah0616 Whats more, every major christian demonation now admits the creation story, the flood story...and most of the old testiment were PARABLES, the events never happened.
Without acknowleding that, if adam never existed, he did NOT bring sin into the world, condemming all his decendants, and therefore we do not need to be "saved" by a divine human sacrifice on a stick.
Therefore the jesus/god story is ALSO a fabraction/parable.
@MrHobiecat I knew you wouldn't answer my question about how much knowledge you possess. A fool will say that there is no God. Know this: We are all sinners, not a single one of us is perfect. And if we stand in front of God for our Judgment as we are, then God will give us what we deserve, and that is eternity in Hell, completely separated from Him. But, if you repent(turn away from your sins) and embrace and love Jesus Christ as your Savior, then when you face God for your Judgment...
@MrHobiecat you will be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. You will still be a sinner, but if you repent and love Jesus, then you will be a sinner saved by the grace of God.
@Enygmah0616 When your brain cells die, you have no awareness. The thing you think of as YOU ceases to exist. This also happens when you sleep without dreaming, or when you are properly sedated for surgery. You wake up many hours later with NO AWARENESS that any time has past. If you have a non physical soul, then where is it during the times when your brain cells are not active?! When you die, you cease to exist.
@MrHobiecat A fool is the person who believes ANYTHING that someone else tells them, even when they know its IMPOSSIBLE, and it goes against every bit of information at your disposal. Without fools, there would be no religions.
@Enygmah0616 We are all sinners? When you have to make up kwrap, like the very act of being BORN to be a sin, because of a man named adam who never existed, that is how desperate you are to include everyone under the scope of your religon.
I have never committed a crime in my life, much less any that warrants ETERNAL TORTURE. If someone has convinced you that YOU have, there must be something wrong with you.
@MrHobiecat You've never committed a crime? Have you ever told a lie, even a small little white lie? Have you ever stolen something, anything at all that didn't belong to you, regardless of its value? Have you ever murdered anyone? Jesus tells us in the book of Matthew that if you have ever hated anyone, then you are guilty of murder in your heart. Have you ever committed adultery? Also in the book of Matthew, Jesus says that if you have lusted, you are guilty of adultery.
Thank you for bringing all that stuff up. Hating someone is the same as murder? Is that why we execute people for hating someone? Because its exactly the same? If we take you out and beat you half way to death and then nail YOU to a cross, will you say "I guess I had this coming, because 23 years ago I hated someone, so I am a murderer" ???
@MrHobiecat the joke could be you not believing, but even that is not a joke. The consequences of not believing are very real. But the point of this is not to scare you. It is to show you that God loves you and cares about you, just as I do. He is offering you a way to salvation forever. But if you continue not believing in Him and His ways, then you will be damned and God will give you the punishment that you deserve. Eternity in Hell. Don't make that mistake, repent before it's too late
@Enygmah0616 the consequences of not believing NONSENSE are very real? There are literally thousands of different mytholgy and religious belief systems that people have come up with to rationalize the unknown. YOU have picked one, one that is totally absurd, and rejected all the others.
BASED ON WHAT? On how it makes you feel special and important and loved? What if YOU are wrong? What if the aztecs were right and you should be cutting out peoples hearts every single day to please god?????
@MrHobiecat Have you always honored your father and mother? If you have broken all of these or even just one of them, then you are a criminal in God's eyes, and therefore are guilty of breaking His Law. So you have committed crimes that make you deserving of eternal torment in Hell. But, I don't want this for you, and God certainly doesn't want it. That is why Jesus died on the cross, to pay for our sins in His life's blood. If you believe that Adam isn't real, then you are being fooled.
@Enygmah0616 do you have any kids? Would you take your son or daugher out and STONE THEM TO DEATH for dishonoring you? That is the punishment that goes along with 7 of the 10 commandments. Now you will say, no! i will forgive them, as jesus forgave me.
Ok, now someone rapes and murders your wife and daughters and 11 other young girls, and is caught. After they are sentanced to death, they say "I REPENT"!
Are you going to let them go free? No, because YOU dont really believe christianity!
@MrHobiecat I love how you just ignore my questions and points of view and then just go right into your own beliefs. Do you even read what I have written? I am trying to have an intellectual and peaceful conversation with you. But if you are not going to answer any of the things I have written, then this conversation is going nowhere and we are at a crossroads.
@Enygmah0616 The questions you are asking are strawman agruments. ie: Do you know everything? No? then you might be wrong. Have you ever had a bad thought? Yes? Then you are a sinner and will burn in hell forever unless you worship a dead human sacrifice and pretend to eat its flesh and drink its blood once a week!
The evidence that the stories in the bible are wrong to the point of being absurd is INDISPUTABLE. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this means you REJECT REALITY.
@MrHobiecat I have had a bad thought. In fact, I am guilty of breaking every one of God's Commandments, and I am a sinner. But I will not be going to Hell to burn forever. The reason I won't is because I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. And receiving His grace has nothing to do with communion. It has to do with repenting and loving Jesus with all your heart. If a person never does those things, then they can never receive the grace of God and Hell is the only option after that.
@Enygmah0616 dude, you have the IQ of a potato. You dont have any word of god, you have an ancient jewish human fabricated superstition based control system that was created by a small group of intelligent people to CONTROL the unwashed masses. And here you are, thousands of years later, still believing every word of nonsense they wrote.
If you really think that having bad thoughts is a crime worthy of ETERNAL TORTURE, then there is no hope for you. You are an idiot!
@MrHobiecat This will be my last reply to you. You can certainly feel free to comment after this, but I will not spend anymore of my time sharing God's Truth and God's Love with you and for you. Your ignorance, your lack of intelligence, and your clear and open rejection of God and His Truth are what make YOU the fool. If you think that having bad thoughts, thoughts of hatred towards another will go unpunished, then you are making a mistake, and you will suffer for it without repenting. Later
This is the christian version of sharing gods love, you call me ignorant, unintelligent, some who is rejecting a creator/god, and you call me a fool.
Im not rejecting ANY creator/god, Im rejecting the ancient mythology of jewish goat farmers, and people like you who cannot figure out what is obvious to a CHILD, that YOU are intentionally deluding yourself into believing nonsense.
When you are able to produce a creator/god in PERSON, then we can talk about gods.
@MrHobiecat I was sharing God's love with you, and you did reject Him. By refusing to believe in the truth of God, you rejected Him. And I should have been more clear about calling you a fool. That was not my words. The bible says that anyone who says that there is no God is a fool. Since you are claiming that the beliefs about God are a part of mythology, you are saying that He does not exist. So far, you have shown me that you understand nothing about God. So, there you are.
@Enygmah0616 To argue from the position that, if you do not agree with what I am saying you are a fool, is a logicall FALLACY, it is INVALID logic and reasoning.
THANK YOU for pointing out the authors of the bible used logical fallacies to attempt to make their point. This proves again the bible is NOT the word of any creator/god, it is the musings of ancient people who did not have valid LOGIC AND REASONING SKILLS.
You did not get your bible from any god, you got it at a BOOKSTORE.
@MrHobiecat This is what makes you foolish. Because you make up this nonsense to try and prove God wrong and prove that He doesn't exist. So on top of you proving that you are guilty of lying, now you are guilty of idolatry too, because you are creating a god that doesn't exist. By me saying that the word of God is the truth is not being arrogant or invalid. It is His Truth. Sorry man, but it is you who does not have any valid logic and reasoning skills. All you have makes you look foolish
@Enygmah0616 SO you do understand that the example I gave of claiming to speak on behalf of a creator/god has NO MERIT.
YOUR religion is exactly the same. It originated in exactly the SAME manner. A group of jewish people claimed to speak on behalf of a creator/god, and here you are thousands of years later, and YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT for yourself.
YOU better do everything the bible says, no matter how absurd it is, because if you dont, then the BIBLE SAYS YOU ARE A FOOL.
@MrHobiecat I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't follow a religion, I seek a relationship with God. God does not approve of religion. Religion isn't what saves people, repentance and a relationship with Jesus Christ is what saves them. Since Adam and Eve committed original sin, no person is made to be perfect. So no matter how hard we try we can't be perfect. But even if a person tried their best to be perfect, that can't get them salvation, because we can't buy off God.
@Enygmah0616 Be HONEST with yourself. Jesus never showed up at ANY point in your life and said, Here, I wrote this book for you. YOU got your bible and therefore your RELIGION from other MEN, just like everyone else.
No gods were involved at any point.
and you are back to adam and eve again? Adam never existed, the evidence that humans are hundreds of thousands of years pre-existant of the bible stories is INDISPUTABLE. For you to claim otherwise shows you are deluded.
@MrHobiecat :) The real battle that is going on here, is behind the scenes. It is a debate between God and the world, the flesh, sins, and Satan. They are battling over your heart. God wants to love you and build you up and give you what you don't deserve: Salvation. The world, your flesh, your sins and Satan want you to stay as you are, and if you stay as you are, then you will get what you do deserve. For breaking God's Law, you will receive eternity in Hell. 2 Timothy 3:16, look it up.
@Enygmah0616 you are really swilling down the Koolaid today, arnt you? Leave some for the rest of the true Bee Leavers!
Be sure and pray the blood of jesus over your keyboard and monitor after each post on youtube. You dont want any of those satanic atheist demons coming through the internet wiring, and doing spiritual battle on you!
@MrHobiecat I'm sure glad that I drank the "koolaid" of Christ, and I can guarantee you that since Jesus bore God's wrath on the cross for those who come to repent and love Him completely, anyone who does not repent and turn their hearts completely towards Jesus will wish that they drank that "koolaid" when they are eternally separated from Him in the Lake of Fire. I'll be praying for God to do a mighty work on your heart, friend.
@Enygmah0616 goto wiki and read up on Rev Jim Jones. THAT is the koolaid you are swilling, laced with cyanide, more than 800 people DIED that day at the whim of a con man
and you are glad to follow in their footsteps. Isnt that special?
@MrHobiecat That is most definitely not the "koolaid" that I am drinking. I follow Jesus Christ, not man. And when I die and face God for my judgment, Jesus will call me a faithful servant and I will enter into Heaven. You fail to see that I am following Christ. You take my words and beliefs and you add your own twist to them. Your disbelief will not sway me from my course with Christ. I urge you to alter your path to Him. If you don't you will suffer for your unbelief in Jesus.
@Enygmah0616 You have never met any gods. When you goto church on sunday there is no god standing up there giving you its word. You did not get your bible from any god, you got it from MEN
men like jim jones. That IS the koolaid you have taken.
@MrHobiecat okay. Whatever you have to tell yourself to help you sleep at night. But know this: There will be no sleep for you in Hell. The physical bible may be made by men, but the word of God has been written on my heart and God's Holy Spirit lives there too. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, so just run along now. This conversation is really over this time, junior.
@Enygmah0616 I have no problem sleeping at night, and Im not the one literally scared to death of dying to the point that I worship a dead jewish human sacrifice by pretending to eat its flesh and drink its blood
that would be YOU!
All through this thread I shown you indisputable evidence that the bible is fabricated stories, jesus was no god, and when you die you cease to exist. YOU are the one that choses to live in self imposed delusion.
@MrHobiecat Nope, sorry. To embrace religion, you must cling to the sin filled world, and that is exactly what you are doing. All through this thread you have shown your ignorance, your immaturity and that you are inexplicably incapable of accepting that I am telling you the truth of God to help you. But you can go ahead and cling to your sinful ways. God still loves you and still has a great plan for you.
@Enygmah0616 It's not name calling. There you go again putting words in my mouth. I have said nothing but the truth. Any thing that I have written here is either the truth of God, or the truth of your character which I derived from your actions and choice of words. God appoints all of His children as those who share His truth.
@Enygmah0616 Suggestion: Rather than tell @MrHobiecat what you *Think the truth is, Explain *why it should be considered the truth.
I mean, If you just tell him your opinion, its just as valid as me saying “Hey Hobiecat, I’m actually God and this Christian is trying to deter you from the truth!”
@Enygmah0616 I really cant thank you enough. You think this is a debate between you and I, but what is really going on here is I am shooting down every aspect of christianity, and you continue to come back and show how absurd your belief in this nonsense is. Im not trying to change YOUR mind, but the hundreds of other people who read these posts can see the depths of self delusion you have gone to
@thewayofthemaster Christain denominations that do NOT believe the flood of noah actually happened as the bible portrays: Catholics Lutherans Methodist Episcopalians Unitarians Angelicans That covers 94% of the christain population of the EARTH. The only people who do believe in the flood story, are the fundementalist: baptists, penticostals, JWs, Mormons and guess who else? The MUSLIMS! You must be so proud!
@Enygmah0616 I dont have to know 100% of all possible knowledge to understand the bible is nothing but one of THOSANDS of ancient superstition mythology collections, based purely on the musings of goat farmers who didnt know or understand anything.
Or to understand that a glorified human sacrifice, pretending to eat its flesh and drink its blood, are not the answer to ANYTHING.
@MrHobiecat "And if the penalty is eternity in hell, then jesus would have to spend eternity in hell to pay for your sins." You know what, I have never heard that phrased like that before. That's solid man. Good rationalization!
@MrHobiecat Totally, I mean I have never actually thought about the whole vicarious redemption thing much. But instantly reading that I "lol'd" and was just like you know that's so true. For Jesus to really atone for our sins he would have to be in hell being tortured, because if death was all it took to atone like you said we all die anyways. Anyways thanks for the pearl of wisdom ;) I assure you I will put it to good use in the future.
@CtheWolfe The flaw with your reasoning is that you see Jesus as being just some guy.. But that couldn't possibly be further from the truth! The Bible says that God was made flesh (Jesus) and that he lived a sinless life and then died for our sins ... ... I think that God knew what he was doing ... and for God to die for the sins of his own creation pays the price of our sins In Full ...
@samjeanb Literally man just saying oh it was divine does not absolve it from being completely laughable....And quite frankly Jesus did not lead a sinless life. He endorsed slavery, called for the murder of non-believers (luke 19:27) and entrapped Jesebelle in adultery and threatened to kill her children.... hardly a sinless man. Go read your bible then come talk to me.
@CtheWolfe Sorry to "brust your bubble" but your a finite being, in-perfect, un-eternal. You don't have the authortity to judge what is right and wrong, moral or immoral.
@Domodeath If we cannot judge morality it is completely arbitrary to be asked to be moral. If we do not have the capacity to judge moral actions of ourselves or of others then we have nothing to base morality off of. So yes we can, unless of course your pathetically infantile god has not given us any sort of moral code to live by and no way to assess whether we and others are following it. So which is it? Do we have morality or do we not. If we have it we can judge it.
@MrHobiecat I have always found it amusing that an immortal being that cannot be destroyed finds sacrificing himself (which really how could it be considered sacrifice if you had not died?) would absolve us of sins. I mean its a sort of insignificant gesture for someone so powerful. Taking on a human form to let that body be destroyed..... Its very irrational and unneeded if he wanted to absolve us of sin he merely had to do so there was no need for sacrifice! lol
@CtheWolfe human sacrifice goes back to the age of cave men. I did something wrong, I dont want to be punished for it, Soooooo... lets go grab some innocent guy from another tribe and kill HIM, then the gods will be apeased!
How does that work? Isnt that the OPPOSITE of justice?!
Christianity is more of the same. It doesnt matter if the sacrifice is willing, half god, retarded, a virgin...it doesnt matter. If you kill an innocent person the guilty person is still guilty.
@MrHobiecat or lets put it another way, some guy kidnaps and rapes 12 little girls, then murders them, and frames someone else for the crimes. The innocent guy is charged, found guilty, and executed.
Then the murderer says "It was really me!" But since someone has been executed for the crime, the murderer is no longer guilty? He is free to go, and the parents of the dead girls will welcome him back into society with open arms?
When you spell it all out, christianity is absurd!
@downtoawhisper ... that make our lives better or worse, for ourselves, our families, and our collective society. They were NOT handed down exclusively to the jewish people a few thousand years ago by some imaginary friend in the sky. Our REAL morality has taken hundreds of thousands of years to develop and understand, and its all up to US to hold ourselves and each other to a way of living that is productive, compassionate, loving and meaningfull. You dont need some moldy old book to tell you.
Funny that an Elvis impersonator walks past as he mentions not wanting to follow King James. Would he follow a King Elvis bible? I mean, Elvis DID play black music.
King James didn't write the Bible! What's up with that guy! Everyone knows that King James got Shakespeare to write it for him: and that's a fact. Why would King James bother writing the Bible when he had one the the greats playwrights of all time living just a little way down the road in Stratford (which is in London's East End). King James did invent the potato.
@CannaConsumer ,its not religion its Faith.its up to u whether u want to believe or not. John 8:47Jesus said" He who is of God hears God's words;therefore you do not hear,because you are not of God."
@davidls11 Psalm 14- 1 The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good.
Challenge you to actually study the History of where the Bible came from.
Over 40 different authors of 66 different pieces of writings (we now call books), over a span of 1600 years. Most of these people did not know each other however being inspired by God, all wrote about the coming of one man. The ones who wrote about this man's life all knew him personally or were closely related to those who knew him and were eye witnesses.
Human hands wrote God's words. Look it up your self.
@askg7 well of course God did not write with His own hands, it would definetly defeat the theory of believeing without seeing.but what u said in ur comment should prove to a lot of people how real God and His Son really are. U know ur stuff thats awesome!!!!!maybe u could teach me some things lol.for real
King Zimbabwe's bible got banned because it was too cool for its time. Every time someone read it, their head would explode from the sheer awesomeness, hence it's no longer around.
Well if the guy really thinks we should have a Bible written by king Zimbabwe (which he does) then why not king Kenya, king Congo, king Jamaica, king Iraq or for that matter king Trinidad and Tobago!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW! im still laughing......hahahahahahah
I'M A CHRISTIAN BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS HILARIOUS. KING JAMES WROTE THE BIBLE HELL IS ON EARTH AND THE HOUSE, CAR AND ALL THAT S... IT WAS FUNNY. However i do have to say It's so funny how people deny GOD and don't want to believe in him but yet when their life's is in danger the first name they call out is GOD.
i think theres a god but i really dont think he judges ppl the way the bible says. because he puts ppl in fucked up situations where theres nothing left but to sin just to survive
that guy needs to face palm himself. I mean HELLO!! King James edited the bible. The PROPHETS(like Malachi,John,etc.) are the ones who wrote bible. This guy is an idiot. I really hope this guy got some sense knocked into him.
And this is why people believe stupidity.. Because people teaching preach it with such confidence like its truth. This guy really has no idea what he's talking about at all. "not ray but the other guy"
Which rapper is this? 2-Cool? B-Dog? D-Pac? They all look alike to me.
truthseeker9261 1 week ago
Some one help this dude
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I think that we all must love each other no matter race , color , etc , respect the the 10th commandment and to not be fanatics in our religion no matter what religion it is . Search and find god , do what you must do but put on the scales good and bad because we all can do that .
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nooshism 2 months ago
the bible was wrote by a man named king james -__-
starlws 2 months ago
The Bible was written by man... lol sure that is why it has a verse like Genesis 6:4 right? Or tells us about Jesus hundreds of years before He was born (Isaiah 53:5)
Domodeath 7 months ago
THE KING
Perfect timing LOL!!!!!!!
dougmoerhoffman 8 months ago 2
I don't think the Devil would have this idiot for an advocate.
notapplicable66 11 months ago
Yes, "I know what you're saying"
sandrock605 11 months ago
That's what Kirk or Ray would look like if you cornered them on the street and asked them to answer science questions.
normmccabe 1 year ago
"He was the king" Then the actually 'King' walks past :D lol
fizikal2008 1 year ago
I think that guy was reading the Rick James Bible.
RobotHerd 1 year ago
He reminds me of Tracy Jordan on "30 Rock."
ClumsyRoot 1 year ago
Makes more sense than most preachers.
reasonformirrors 1 year ago
the guys facts are off, but he's still right. No one know who wrote the bible, or when. Luke boasted he was only giving eyewitness accounts from reliable people, then he listed the geneology from adam to jesus! Who witnessed that? Who witnessed what jesus said and did when he was ALONE in the desert for 40 days? Obviously NOBODY, but did that stop Luke from narrating the event? The bible is mythology, pure human fabrication. its been proven false on every major issue.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
Would you say that you have a difficult time accepting the word of God because you lack faith in it?
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper What word of god?! WHEN did any gods speak to you? All you have is other PEOPLE claiming a god spoke to them, with no evidence back it up. If you are willing to take the word of MEN at face value, and assume they cannot possibly be lying to you, that explains religion in a nut shell!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
What other books or articles have you read in your lifetime?
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper you only want a complete list of all books and articles Ive read in my entire life? Not interested in TV shows, movies, DVDs? Do you also want to know what I ate for every meal since the day I was born? Oh wait, I have better things to do.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
The reason I ask you what books you have read is because I want to know how you can be sure that the books and articles you have read are true. Did you witness anything that you have read in history books?
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper the authors of history books do NOT claim to speak on behalf of a creator/god, and they do not use blackmail / bribe threats of hell and heaven based on whether or not you think their acccount is accurate. Whether or not a person, like MLK actually existed in not critical, what is critical is that black americans at one time had no civil rights, and SOMEONE pushed our govenment to change the laws. Believe in MLK or not, the laws still apply to everyone. Not so with religion.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
Ok, so the laws that are in place today speak on behalf of Martin Luther King Jr, which means that we can trust what is written about him. Do you think that nothing in this world speaks on behalf of God so that we should trust His word? (I know you don't believe that it is God's word, but just humor me for a moment)
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper Which god are you referring to? Lets go sit on the top floor of the world trade center and talk about the glory of allah. lets go sit on the pyramids of S america, stained in human blood, and talk about the glory of the aztec gods. Lets get some crackers and grape juice and pretend we are eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a human sacrifice named jesus. There is nothing good in religion, only control and destruction of anyone who will not submit to the HUMAN overlords.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
My friend, I am referring to the one and only God of the Universe. If you study these other so-called gods, you will see that they have been fabricated. Study a little bit about how Muslims treat their wives...or what happens when someone converts to Christianity in their countries. The Aztec gods are simply attempts to give characteristics to nature as I understand it. In these other religions, no one existed who made self assured claims as Jesus did. Back in His days, people....
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper There are no gods to study, only human fabricated mythology, including YOURS. You can see all the others are fabricated, but when it comes to YOURS you got full tilt moron and believe every word the ancient jews came up with, even the things you KNOW cannot possibly be true.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
Ok, so earlier, you said that you know that we can trust historical facts of Martin Luther King Jr. because the laws that are in place now speak on his behalf.
Where do you think the laws of the universe came from?
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper The universe is what it is. There is no need for it to have 'come from' anywhere. If you have no problem with the idea of a god that has always existed, I have no problem with a universe that has always existed. We dont know what form or state it was in before 13.6 billion years ago, but seriously, from the time you wake up in the morning, till you go to sleep at night, what does that matter?
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....only made claims if they had a higher authority to base them off of. Jesus came around and began saying, "I am the way the truth and the life, and no one can come to the Father except through me." and He said, "I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." This was the reason for much of the controversy surrounding Him. People didn't like Him claiming to be His OWN authority. This meant that He was equal...
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....to the most high God of the Universe. They didn't understand the Trinity.
If you want to discount the Bible and toss it aside with the rest of the trash, you might want to be aware of the countless prophesies that occurred in the text. 25% of the Bible predicted future events...and every one of them came true to a tee (of course except for the end times prophesies, which are yet to come). Over the course of the 1500 years it took to compile the Bible's 60 books, what do....
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....you think the chances are of this happening without there being a divine intervention of some sort?
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper you drank all the koolaid, didnt you? You think the bible was written by people who WITNESSED the things jesus said and did? then WHO witnessed what jesus did when he was ALONE In the wilderness for 40 days? Dont think too hard or blood will gush from your nose! The people who wrote the storys made them say whatever they WANTED it to say, because its all made up. They HAD the old testiment, and wrote the new to match the predictions. Surely you are not so stupid you cant see it?
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat Come on, get your bible out. Read how Luke and john claim to be reporting reputable 'eyewitness accounts ' of the things jesus said and did. Then read the part about jesus being ALONE in the desert for 40 days, temped by the devil, and come back and tell me that honestly doesnt bother you, that NO ONE was there to see it, but they WROTE IT ALL DOWN ANYWAY. So tell me, WHO told them what to write, and then pretend they were eyewitnesses?!
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....toss aside all rationality and take a blind leap of faith. I suppose some people may choose to believe in Christianity and not truly understand why they believe it, but I am not one of those people. When I took my leap of faith, it was very calculated. Once I realized that there is no way to live consistently without God in this life, I really began to understand that not only does God exist, but I should listen to Him.
I will send you my testimony so that you can better....
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....understand why I made the decision to live for Christ. If you would like to share your story with me, then I am more than willing to listen.
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper I like the way you totally ignore questions that show your faith in the authors of the bible is totally misplaced. In order to embrace religion, you must reject reality, including the reality of the obvious fabrications in your own religion.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
"I like the way you totally ignore questions that show your faith in the authors of the bible is totally misplaced."
Clearly you don't know this about me, considering the fact that we have never met....but I used to see the world and our existence very similarly to the way that you do. When I began hearing the Truth, I resisted it for quite some time because I didn't want to admit that I wasn't living my life the way that I should be. If I were to admit that God was real....
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat
....then that would mean that I would have to change a LOT about my life. This didn't sit well with me...I liked answering to myself and no one else. However, I soon began to understand that there is a standard to live by....and also WHY the standard is there. Soon enough, I repented from my many sins and trusted in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who is the only one who can save any of us.
Here's the thing. Many people think that in order to make this decision, you must....
downtoawhisper 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper ah, so there you go, you were full of guilt and remorse for things YOU DID, and someone came along, claiming to speak on hehalf of a loving creator/god, and thats all you needed to hear. Maybe you committed many crimes in your life, but do you honestly believe that a CHILD is guilty of the crime of being born, for which it deserves to burn in hell forever? Do you honestly believe that collecting firewood on a saturday is worthy of eternal punishment?
for that matter... (cont)
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@downtoawhisper ... do you believe YOU did anything that warrants an ETERNAL punishment of torture? There is no rational behind the bible threats. If the penatly of sin is death, we ALL DIE, and would therefore pay all our debts when we die. No need for a human sacrifice. And if the penalty is eternity in hell, then jesus would have to spend eternity in hell to pay for your sins. You've been scammed by a guy in nice clothes holding a collection plate. There clearly are rules we live by (cont)..
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
@MrHobiecat so what do you believe will happen to you, when you die?
Enygmah0616 1 year ago
@Enygmah0616 It doesnt matter what you believe. Magical thinking has no effect on what happens to you. Based on our best medical research, your awareness, consciousness, memory, character, intellect and personality are ALL functions of your physical brain. People that are sedated or asleep and not dreaming have no awareness. People who suffer brain injury lose all those functions. When your brain cells die, you will cease to exist. So, where is religion in the face of reality?
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat You said, "When your brain cells die, you will cease to exist." What if you are wrong? And where is religion in the face of reality? It's not about religion, and that is a very common mistake that a lot of people make. It is about a relationship with Jesus Christ. Truth be told, God actually hates religion. You may not believe in Heaven or Hell being the only options after you die, but that doesn't stop them from being real. Try not believing in gravity, it still exists.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat If that doesn't suit you, try not believing in semi trucks and walk into a highway. It won't stop the trucks from being real. We are all guilty criminals in God's eyes, and there is no way we can pay our fine. God is a Holy and Good Judge, and He can't just let us go. But, He provided a way out. He became a man(Jesus Christ) and died on the cross and rose again, defeating death. All you have to do is repent(turn from your sins) and put your faith in Jesus and God will give you
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat what you don't deserve... Salvation. But if He gives us what we do deserve, that would be eternity in Hell, because none of us are good, none of us are perfect. We all have broken God's Law; The Ten Commandments, and for that we deserve punishment. Trust in Jesus today, for tomorrow might be your day that you die. Read your bible daily and obey what it says.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 we have all broken gods law? When did I commit any crime worthy of eternal torture? YOU have to make up things, like the act of BEING BORN, and then say, anyone who is born, even a baby, is guilty and deserves to be tortured forever.
That is PURE KWRAP, and you know it. If we take you out and beat YOU nearly to death, then nail you to a cross and let you die, will you say "Well, I guess I deserve this, after all, I was BORN!" ???
be honest, you know its a crock of kwrap!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 Its religious people that think "if I believe one thing, I will live forever in a city of gold, and if I think something else, I will burn in hell". Its called MAGICAL THINKING, and its what religion is based on.
In reality, what you know & understand is what makes your life better. I know stepping infront of a heavy moving object will kill me, because I TOOK PHYSICS. I know the bible stories are BS, because the earth was not created 144 generations before jesus, LIKE HE SAID!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat You know that the bible stories are not true? Well, I have a question for you then. Out of all the possible known knowledge in the entire world, what percentage of that known knowledge would you say that you possess? 5%, 10%, 3%? No one knows everything. So whatever percentage that you possess, could it be possible that in the remaining X percent, you could be wrong about your beliefs in God and what happens after you die? 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is God breathed."
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 the bible claims to be the word of a creator/god.
The bible say the universe, and all life was created 144 generations before the time of jesus.WRONG
The bible says the entire earth was flooded in 2500BC. WRONG
The bible says all human life was dispersed from Babel in 2000BC. WRONG
Jesus said the Adam and Noah stories were TRUE, therefore jesus was NO GOD
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MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat ...
The gosples claim to be 'eyewitness accounts' and then detail events for which NO eyewitness was present: jesus ALONE in the desert for 40 days. Things Herod said and did in SECRET. The stories are OBVIOUSLY FABRICATE.
How much of the bible do I have to show is WRONG to prove it is NOT the word of a creator/god?
Logically, if ANY of it is wrong, then it is NOT the perfect word of god, IS IT?
BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 Whats more, every major christian demonation now admits the creation story, the flood story...and most of the old testiment were PARABLES, the events never happened.
Without acknowleding that, if adam never existed, he did NOT bring sin into the world, condemming all his decendants, and therefore we do not need to be "saved" by a divine human sacrifice on a stick.
Therefore the jesus/god story is ALSO a fabraction/parable.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I knew you wouldn't answer my question about how much knowledge you possess. A fool will say that there is no God. Know this: We are all sinners, not a single one of us is perfect. And if we stand in front of God for our Judgment as we are, then God will give us what we deserve, and that is eternity in Hell, completely separated from Him. But, if you repent(turn away from your sins) and embrace and love Jesus Christ as your Savior, then when you face God for your Judgment...
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat you will be able to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. You will still be a sinner, but if you repent and love Jesus, then you will be a sinner saved by the grace of God.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 When your brain cells die, you have no awareness. The thing you think of as YOU ceases to exist. This also happens when you sleep without dreaming, or when you are properly sedated for surgery. You wake up many hours later with NO AWARENESS that any time has past. If you have a non physical soul, then where is it during the times when your brain cells are not active?! When you die, you cease to exist.
No heaven, no hell, no judgement, NOTHING.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat A fool is the person who believes ANYTHING that someone else tells them, even when they know its IMPOSSIBLE, and it goes against every bit of information at your disposal. Without fools, there would be no religions.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 We are all sinners? When you have to make up kwrap, like the very act of being BORN to be a sin, because of a man named adam who never existed, that is how desperate you are to include everyone under the scope of your religon.
I have never committed a crime in my life, much less any that warrants ETERNAL TORTURE. If someone has convinced you that YOU have, there must be something wrong with you.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat You've never committed a crime? Have you ever told a lie, even a small little white lie? Have you ever stolen something, anything at all that didn't belong to you, regardless of its value? Have you ever murdered anyone? Jesus tells us in the book of Matthew that if you have ever hated anyone, then you are guilty of murder in your heart. Have you ever committed adultery? Also in the book of Matthew, Jesus says that if you have lusted, you are guilty of adultery.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 I have never committed a crime.
Thank you for bringing all that stuff up. Hating someone is the same as murder? Is that why we execute people for hating someone? Because its exactly the same? If we take you out and beat you half way to death and then nail YOU to a cross, will you say "I guess I had this coming, because 23 years ago I hated someone, so I am a murderer" ???
Your belief system IS A JOKE!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat the joke could be you not believing, but even that is not a joke. The consequences of not believing are very real. But the point of this is not to scare you. It is to show you that God loves you and cares about you, just as I do. He is offering you a way to salvation forever. But if you continue not believing in Him and His ways, then you will be damned and God will give you the punishment that you deserve. Eternity in Hell. Don't make that mistake, repent before it's too late
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 the consequences of not believing NONSENSE are very real? There are literally thousands of different mytholgy and religious belief systems that people have come up with to rationalize the unknown. YOU have picked one, one that is totally absurd, and rejected all the others.
BASED ON WHAT? On how it makes you feel special and important and loved? What if YOU are wrong? What if the aztecs were right and you should be cutting out peoples hearts every single day to please god?????
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat Have you always honored your father and mother? If you have broken all of these or even just one of them, then you are a criminal in God's eyes, and therefore are guilty of breaking His Law. So you have committed crimes that make you deserving of eternal torment in Hell. But, I don't want this for you, and God certainly doesn't want it. That is why Jesus died on the cross, to pay for our sins in His life's blood. If you believe that Adam isn't real, then you are being fooled.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 do you have any kids? Would you take your son or daugher out and STONE THEM TO DEATH for dishonoring you? That is the punishment that goes along with 7 of the 10 commandments. Now you will say, no! i will forgive them, as jesus forgave me.
Ok, now someone rapes and murders your wife and daughters and 11 other young girls, and is caught. After they are sentanced to death, they say "I REPENT"!
Are you going to let them go free? No, because YOU dont really believe christianity!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I love how you just ignore my questions and points of view and then just go right into your own beliefs. Do you even read what I have written? I am trying to have an intellectual and peaceful conversation with you. But if you are not going to answer any of the things I have written, then this conversation is going nowhere and we are at a crossroads.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 The questions you are asking are strawman agruments. ie: Do you know everything? No? then you might be wrong. Have you ever had a bad thought? Yes? Then you are a sinner and will burn in hell forever unless you worship a dead human sacrifice and pretend to eat its flesh and drink its blood once a week!
The evidence that the stories in the bible are wrong to the point of being absurd is INDISPUTABLE. The fact that you refuse to acknowledge this means you REJECT REALITY.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I have had a bad thought. In fact, I am guilty of breaking every one of God's Commandments, and I am a sinner. But I will not be going to Hell to burn forever. The reason I won't is because I am a sinner saved by the grace of God. And receiving His grace has nothing to do with communion. It has to do with repenting and loving Jesus with all your heart. If a person never does those things, then they can never receive the grace of God and Hell is the only option after that.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 dude, you have the IQ of a potato. You dont have any word of god, you have an ancient jewish human fabricated superstition based control system that was created by a small group of intelligent people to CONTROL the unwashed masses. And here you are, thousands of years later, still believing every word of nonsense they wrote.
If you really think that having bad thoughts is a crime worthy of ETERNAL TORTURE, then there is no hope for you. You are an idiot!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat This will be my last reply to you. You can certainly feel free to comment after this, but I will not spend anymore of my time sharing God's Truth and God's Love with you and for you. Your ignorance, your lack of intelligence, and your clear and open rejection of God and His Truth are what make YOU the fool. If you think that having bad thoughts, thoughts of hatred towards another will go unpunished, then you are making a mistake, and you will suffer for it without repenting. Later
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 THANK GOD!
This is the christian version of sharing gods love, you call me ignorant, unintelligent, some who is rejecting a creator/god, and you call me a fool.
Im not rejecting ANY creator/god, Im rejecting the ancient mythology of jewish goat farmers, and people like you who cannot figure out what is obvious to a CHILD, that YOU are intentionally deluding yourself into believing nonsense.
When you are able to produce a creator/god in PERSON, then we can talk about gods.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I was sharing God's love with you, and you did reject Him. By refusing to believe in the truth of God, you rejected Him. And I should have been more clear about calling you a fool. That was not my words. The bible says that anyone who says that there is no God is a fool. Since you are claiming that the beliefs about God are a part of mythology, you are saying that He does not exist. So far, you have shown me that you understand nothing about God. So, there you are.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 To argue from the position that, if you do not agree with what I am saying you are a fool, is a logicall FALLACY, it is INVALID logic and reasoning.
THANK YOU for pointing out the authors of the bible used logical fallacies to attempt to make their point. This proves again the bible is NOT the word of any creator/god, it is the musings of ancient people who did not have valid LOGIC AND REASONING SKILLS.
You did not get your bible from any god, you got it at a BOOKSTORE.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 Let me make this easier for YOU to grasp.
The creator/god of the universe talked to me last night.
God put ME in charge of everyone else. God says from now on I will tell everyone else what to do.
And god put ME in charge of collecting HIS money from YOU. From now on, you must give me 10% of your income.
If you do not beleive me, then YOU ARE A FOOL, because that is what god told me.
When you spell it all out, the bible is NONSENSE.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat This is what makes you foolish. Because you make up this nonsense to try and prove God wrong and prove that He doesn't exist. So on top of you proving that you are guilty of lying, now you are guilty of idolatry too, because you are creating a god that doesn't exist. By me saying that the word of God is the truth is not being arrogant or invalid. It is His Truth. Sorry man, but it is you who does not have any valid logic and reasoning skills. All you have makes you look foolish
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 SO you do understand that the example I gave of claiming to speak on behalf of a creator/god has NO MERIT.
YOUR religion is exactly the same. It originated in exactly the SAME manner. A group of jewish people claimed to speak on behalf of a creator/god, and here you are thousands of years later, and YOU CANT FIGURE IT OUT for yourself.
YOU better do everything the bible says, no matter how absurd it is, because if you dont, then the BIBLE SAYS YOU ARE A FOOL.
HAHAHHAHAHAHA!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't follow a religion, I seek a relationship with God. God does not approve of religion. Religion isn't what saves people, repentance and a relationship with Jesus Christ is what saves them. Since Adam and Eve committed original sin, no person is made to be perfect. So no matter how hard we try we can't be perfect. But even if a person tried their best to be perfect, that can't get them salvation, because we can't buy off God.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 Be HONEST with yourself. Jesus never showed up at ANY point in your life and said, Here, I wrote this book for you. YOU got your bible and therefore your RELIGION from other MEN, just like everyone else.
No gods were involved at any point.
and you are back to adam and eve again? Adam never existed, the evidence that humans are hundreds of thousands of years pre-existant of the bible stories is INDISPUTABLE. For you to claim otherwise shows you are deluded.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat :) The real battle that is going on here, is behind the scenes. It is a debate between God and the world, the flesh, sins, and Satan. They are battling over your heart. God wants to love you and build you up and give you what you don't deserve: Salvation. The world, your flesh, your sins and Satan want you to stay as you are, and if you stay as you are, then you will get what you do deserve. For breaking God's Law, you will receive eternity in Hell. 2 Timothy 3:16, look it up.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 you are really swilling down the Koolaid today, arnt you? Leave some for the rest of the true Bee Leavers!
Be sure and pray the blood of jesus over your keyboard and monitor after each post on youtube. You dont want any of those satanic atheist demons coming through the internet wiring, and doing spiritual battle on you!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat I'm sure glad that I drank the "koolaid" of Christ, and I can guarantee you that since Jesus bore God's wrath on the cross for those who come to repent and love Him completely, anyone who does not repent and turn their hearts completely towards Jesus will wish that they drank that "koolaid" when they are eternally separated from Him in the Lake of Fire. I'll be praying for God to do a mighty work on your heart, friend.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 goto wiki and read up on Rev Jim Jones. THAT is the koolaid you are swilling, laced with cyanide, more than 800 people DIED that day at the whim of a con man
and you are glad to follow in their footsteps. Isnt that special?
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat That is most definitely not the "koolaid" that I am drinking. I follow Jesus Christ, not man. And when I die and face God for my judgment, Jesus will call me a faithful servant and I will enter into Heaven. You fail to see that I am following Christ. You take my words and beliefs and you add your own twist to them. Your disbelief will not sway me from my course with Christ. I urge you to alter your path to Him. If you don't you will suffer for your unbelief in Jesus.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 You have never met any gods. When you goto church on sunday there is no god standing up there giving you its word. You did not get your bible from any god, you got it from MEN
men like jim jones. That IS the koolaid you have taken.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat okay. Whatever you have to tell yourself to help you sleep at night. But know this: There will be no sleep for you in Hell. The physical bible may be made by men, but the word of God has been written on my heart and God's Holy Spirit lives there too. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, so just run along now. This conversation is really over this time, junior.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 I have no problem sleeping at night, and Im not the one literally scared to death of dying to the point that I worship a dead jewish human sacrifice by pretending to eat its flesh and drink its blood
that would be YOU!
All through this thread I shown you indisputable evidence that the bible is fabricated stories, jesus was no god, and when you die you cease to exist. YOU are the one that choses to live in self imposed delusion.
To embrace religion you must reject reality.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat Nope, sorry. To embrace religion, you must cling to the sin filled world, and that is exactly what you are doing. All through this thread you have shown your ignorance, your immaturity and that you are inexplicably incapable of accepting that I am telling you the truth of God to help you. But you can go ahead and cling to your sinful ways. God still loves you and still has a great plan for you.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 is that all you have left? Name calling?
typical christian.
when did any god appoint YOU as his bearer of truth? Again with your self appointed delusions of grandure.
WHEN you can produce a creator/god IN PERSON, then you can claim to speak on its behalf.
until then, YOU GOT NOTHING BUT A MOLDY OLD BOOK OF MYTHOLOGY NONSENSE.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
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@Enygmah0616 It's not name calling. There you go again putting words in my mouth. I have said nothing but the truth. Any thing that I have written here is either the truth of God, or the truth of your character which I derived from your actions and choice of words. God appoints all of His children as those who share His truth.
Enygmah0616 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 Suggestion: Rather than tell @MrHobiecat what you *Think the truth is, Explain *why it should be considered the truth.
I mean, If you just tell him your opinion, its just as valid as me saying “Hey Hobiecat, I’m actually God and this Christian is trying to deter you from the truth!”
Take it or leave it
NightHawkBomber001 9 months ago
@Enygmah0616 I really cant thank you enough. You think this is a debate between you and I, but what is really going on here is I am shooting down every aspect of christianity, and you continue to come back and show how absurd your belief in this nonsense is. Im not trying to change YOUR mind, but the hundreds of other people who read these posts can see the depths of self delusion you have gone to
purely out of your own fear of death.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat Every major denomination now admist the creation story, the flood story were parables?? Absolutely False.
thewayofthemaster 11 months ago
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@Enygmah0616 I dont have to know 100% of all possible knowledge to understand the bible is nothing but one of THOSANDS of ancient superstition mythology collections, based purely on the musings of goat farmers who didnt know or understand anything.
Or to understand that a glorified human sacrifice, pretending to eat its flesh and drink its blood, are not the answer to ANYTHING.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat "And if the penalty is eternity in hell, then jesus would have to spend eternity in hell to pay for your sins." You know what, I have never heard that phrased like that before. That's solid man. Good rationalization!
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe Isnt it amazing how religion falls apart, when you sit down and chart out what it says, in a clear and logical manner?
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat Totally, I mean I have never actually thought about the whole vicarious redemption thing much. But instantly reading that I "lol'd" and was just like you know that's so true. For Jesus to really atone for our sins he would have to be in hell being tortured, because if death was all it took to atone like you said we all die anyways. Anyways thanks for the pearl of wisdom ;) I assure you I will put it to good use in the future.
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe The flaw with your reasoning is that you see Jesus as being just some guy.. But that couldn't possibly be further from the truth! The Bible says that God was made flesh (Jesus) and that he lived a sinless life and then died for our sins ... ... I think that God knew what he was doing ... and for God to die for the sins of his own creation pays the price of our sins In Full ...
samjeanb 9 months ago
@samjeanb Literally man just saying oh it was divine does not absolve it from being completely laughable....And quite frankly Jesus did not lead a sinless life. He endorsed slavery, called for the murder of non-believers (luke 19:27) and entrapped Jesebelle in adultery and threatened to kill her children.... hardly a sinless man. Go read your bible then come talk to me.
CtheWolfe 9 months ago
@CtheWolfe Sorry to "brust your bubble" but your a finite being, in-perfect, un-eternal. You don't have the authortity to judge what is right and wrong, moral or immoral.
Domodeath 7 months ago
@Domodeath If we cannot judge morality it is completely arbitrary to be asked to be moral. If we do not have the capacity to judge moral actions of ourselves or of others then we have nothing to base morality off of. So yes we can, unless of course your pathetically infantile god has not given us any sort of moral code to live by and no way to assess whether we and others are following it. So which is it? Do we have morality or do we not. If we have it we can judge it.
CtheWolfe 7 months ago
@MrHobiecat I have always found it amusing that an immortal being that cannot be destroyed finds sacrificing himself (which really how could it be considered sacrifice if you had not died?) would absolve us of sins. I mean its a sort of insignificant gesture for someone so powerful. Taking on a human form to let that body be destroyed..... Its very irrational and unneeded if he wanted to absolve us of sin he merely had to do so there was no need for sacrifice! lol
CtheWolfe 11 months ago
@CtheWolfe human sacrifice goes back to the age of cave men. I did something wrong, I dont want to be punished for it, Soooooo... lets go grab some innocent guy from another tribe and kill HIM, then the gods will be apeased!
How does that work? Isnt that the OPPOSITE of justice?!
Christianity is more of the same. It doesnt matter if the sacrifice is willing, half god, retarded, a virgin...it doesnt matter. If you kill an innocent person the guilty person is still guilty.
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@MrHobiecat or lets put it another way, some guy kidnaps and rapes 12 little girls, then murders them, and frames someone else for the crimes. The innocent guy is charged, found guilty, and executed.
Then the murderer says "It was really me!" But since someone has been executed for the crime, the murderer is no longer guilty? He is free to go, and the parents of the dead girls will welcome him back into society with open arms?
When you spell it all out, christianity is absurd!
MrHobiecat 11 months ago
@downtoawhisper ... that make our lives better or worse, for ourselves, our families, and our collective society. They were NOT handed down exclusively to the jewish people a few thousand years ago by some imaginary friend in the sky. Our REAL morality has taken hundreds of thousands of years to develop and understand, and its all up to US to hold ourselves and each other to a way of living that is productive, compassionate, loving and meaningfull. You dont need some moldy old book to tell you.
MrHobiecat 1 year ago
Funny that an Elvis impersonator walks past as he mentions not wanting to follow King James. Would he follow a King Elvis bible? I mean, Elvis DID play black music.
RobotHerd 1 year ago
1:10 <- Islam.
askg7 1 year ago
when you look stupid to atheists and theists on the bible your really damn stupid. wow.....
muaythaijunky 1 year ago
"He was the king"
BANG Elvis walks by... Excellent timing.
Mrgyn 1 year ago
Wow he unknowingly just admitted that man actually wrote their so called "holy scriptures".
mit871chell 1 year ago
@mit871chell of course man hand wrote the bible that does not mean God was not there when it happened.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
wow Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron found someone dumber than themselves. It's a miracle!
mattdistad 1 year ago
King James didn't write the Bible! What's up with that guy! Everyone knows that King James got Shakespeare to write it for him: and that's a fact. Why would King James bother writing the Bible when he had one the the greats playwrights of all time living just a little way down the road in Stratford (which is in London's East End). King James did invent the potato.
mousegeek 1 year ago
hahahhahahah
askg7 1 year ago
Perfect timing for Elvis.
SushiMaster82 1 year ago
lol this is hilarious in so many ways,
Especially the part where religious people have a need to justify this sack of bullshit called religion to other people.
CannaConsumer 1 year ago
@CannaConsumer ,its not religion its Faith.its up to u whether u want to believe or not. John 8:47Jesus said" He who is of God hears God's words;therefore you do not hear,because you are not of God."
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
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CannaConsumer 1 year ago
@CannaConsumer No im not preaching to u.im correcting you,its not religion,its faith.I just wish you did not feel that way.
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CannaConsumer 1 year ago
@CannaConsumer im sorry i dont understand what u mean by that, and im not trying to be smart when i say that.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 strawmans are fun.
mit871chell 1 year ago
Hilarious but obviously sad at the same time.
Zeikid 1 year ago
though he is wrong with King James, he's got a point
MrGoaMan 1 year ago
@MrGoaMan
lol really? The fact that he is wrong about who wrote the bible completely voids the rest of his point.
askg7 1 year ago
Thinking that King James wrote the bible is no dumber than thinking some invisible alien super being wrote it. At least King James was real.
davidls11 1 year ago
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mikeyevansaz1 1 year ago
@davidls11
Challenge you to actually study the History of where the Bible came from.
Over 40 different authors of 66 different pieces of writings (we now call books), over a span of 1600 years. Most of these people did not know each other however being inspired by God, all wrote about the coming of one man. The ones who wrote about this man's life all knew him personally or were closely related to those who knew him and were eye witnesses.
Human hands wrote God's words. Look it up your self.
askg7 1 year ago
@askg7 lol, now tell us the one about Goldilocks and the three bears.
davidls11 1 year ago
@askg7 well of course God did not write with His own hands, it would definetly defeat the theory of believeing without seeing.but what u said in ur comment should prove to a lot of people how real God and His Son really are. U know ur stuff thats awesome!!!!!maybe u could teach me some things lol.for real
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308
All Glory to God, John 14:26
Blessings
askg7 1 year ago
ahaha
Stinkko 1 year ago
hahaha!
jampop77 1 year ago
It's just a coincidence that an Elvis impersonator walked by as he said "the king".
UR55378008 1 year ago
"how come we cam't follow king zimbabwae, how come he dont write a book?!"
lol. =p
DisneyBraniac 1 year ago
this is what happens when you abandon God - the lights go out.
5starsoldier 1 year ago
King Zimbabwe's bible got banned because it was too cool for its time. Every time someone read it, their head would explode from the sheer awesomeness, hence it's no longer around.
ArchRascal 1 year ago
@ArchRascal ROFL
tiaketzumi 1 year ago
Wtf LOL!
tiaketzumi 1 year ago
It's years and years later, where the h- is King James?!
HDell1994 1 year ago
Who was King James?! lol
HDell1994 1 year ago
Well if the guy really thinks we should have a Bible written by king Zimbabwe (which he does) then why not king Kenya, king Congo, king Jamaica, king Iraq or for that matter king Trinidad and Tobago!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW! im still laughing......hahahahahahah
HelloWorld1947 1 year ago
FUCK GOD!
Abbadon696 1 year ago
Poor King Zimbabwe, I can't believe they left his books out of the Bible, CURSE YOU KING JAMES!
ERChris17 1 year ago
Did this guy had his basic educational tuition?
elogne 1 year ago
True King James did not write the bible. He just changed it a bit
ezelouie 1 year ago
I can't believe Kirk Cameron found someone dumber than himself.
biznor3 1 year ago 2
Well, this guy seems to know as much about the truth as ray and kirk do. LMAO! At least this guy is HONEST,
Mirror4u2 1 year ago 2
lol this is so stupid it hurts
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
I'M A CHRISTIAN BUT I HAVE TO SAY THAT WAS HILARIOUS. KING JAMES WROTE THE BIBLE HELL IS ON EARTH AND THE HOUSE, CAR AND ALL THAT S... IT WAS FUNNY. However i do have to say It's so funny how people deny GOD and don't want to believe in him but yet when their life's is in danger the first name they call out is GOD.
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KimberlySmash1992 1 year ago
What I find hilarious is how kirk douchbag doesn't even accept other christians ideas they're so closed minded.
DarkKnightBob1o1 1 year ago
A mind is a trouble and precious thing to waste...this man needs to be deliver...LOL THAT WAS FUNNY
ladytec40 1 year ago
Is he serious?....
KimberlySmash1992 1 year ago
Well he's right about this being the devil's palace. The bible calls the devil the "god of this world".
blk15tnn 1 year ago
ignorance is bliss... this proves that phrase right here
PacmanBonez 1 year ago
lol im about to pull something lol stop lol stop lol please it hurts
bradsam 1 year ago
The Delta blues was a nice, racist, touch.
I wish television programs were as entertaining as these idiots.
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yermomsboxx 1 year ago
@yermomsboxx Because we have manuscripts that pre-date that and they are the same as today
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yermomsboxx 1 year ago
i think theres a god but i really dont think he judges ppl the way the bible says. because he puts ppl in fucked up situations where theres nothing left but to sin just to survive
sidlocc23 1 year ago
spoken like a true enjoyer of life. athism
JonECav 1 year ago
"A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion." (Proverbs 18:2)
aaronshaf2006 1 year ago
no i don't know what your sayin' really king James? Who is that guy
God is creator of the earth and the earth is NOT hell
Pelefansuper 2 years ago
that guy needs to face palm himself. I mean HELLO!! King James edited the bible. The PROPHETS(like Malachi,John,etc.) are the ones who wrote bible. This guy is an idiot. I really hope this guy got some sense knocked into him.
cmartina777 2 years ago
And this is why people believe stupidity.. Because people teaching preach it with such confidence like its truth. This guy really has no idea what he's talking about at all. "not ray but the other guy"
danielingram 2 years ago
"King Matthew"? What the heck is he talking about?
demondagger19 2 years ago
The Bible is like Grimms fairy tales the only difference is that people believe the bible and get killed over it.
slicingwater 2 years ago