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[vid009]

Thanks for getting back with me John .. . I appreciated ! if your trying to redirect the magnetic field from the magnets into facing coils, one of the best materials to use is "Orientated Silicon steel". Next best is to use transformer laminations on their ends. Transformer lamination material is "Non Orientated" but still much better than plain mild steel. If plain mild steel blocks is what the "Bedini video" suggests", (don't know why they would !) then stick with it. i guess. Thanks again.

[SJohnM81]

@vid009 Laminations would be great and are recomended by Bedini to help limit the buildup of eddie currents in the pole pieces, but I just want to get a working model first. Will have to have a look into the steel you mentioned. Cheers.

[vid009]

@SJohnM81 Hi again John, have a couple of questions. I Received the Bedini DVD on the Converter but he does not go into exact details of the coils and magnets. He briefly mentions high impedance coils but that was it. On the magnets, I figure their just stacks of ceramics. Did you find other information on the coils and magnets from other sources or estimated from his DVD as i did? TKS

[SJohnM81]

@vid009 Hi mate, One of the annoying things in that DVD is when Bedini is about to explain how he adjusted the schematic from the patent to be correct, but before he does the camera man asks him some other question and bedini never gets back to what he was about to say.

The coils are not high impedance, they need to be as low as possible. That is why each coil is tri-filar wound. The magnets are just ceramic, however I need to get a gauss meter to make sure each stack is the same.

[vid009]

@SJohnM81 ...I agree ! that was very frustrating for me also, that was'nt the only time they have done that either. Although I have been critical of what he's done, I do have great respect for him. I wish thought if he would be more sincere about showing the "World" how to actually apply some of the technologies in real world applications like mainly powering our houses and not just for wasting money & time on more experimenting. What size wire did you use?, i was thinking of 20 or 22 ga.

[vid009]

Nice looking unit, i too would like to built one, just waiting for the DVD .. .What are the black blocks at the top & bottom of each magnet stack, ? soft iron cores? they are bigger than the magnets themselves. TKS

[SJohnM81]

@vid009 Yeah mate the blocks are mild steel and are a bit longer than the magnets. This helps to shape the field. I haven't done anything with this in a while, but now that I have finished my studies etc I will be getting back into it. I did see some results with the second set of coils, but they unwound themselves also. The new core design stops unwinding but makes it very difficult to attach to the winding machine.

Cheers

[killerbeenl]

lacker the coils could fix the unwinding :P making it possibly unstable

[fuelban]

I wish I had a better grasp of electrics, “But sadly I don’t So” !!. , However, I like you’re build guy, looks grate well made, this is fascinating stuff, look forward to seeing how you get on.

Thom in Scotland.

[dave161299]

thanks for posting back, i hope this inspires you to finish, because it looks fantastic, very well built.

good luck.

dave

[maxinpains]

so, is this able to achive overunity? thanks

[SJohnM81]

Hi Dave,

Wow this was a while ago. I did build the new coils as described, and they did work to an extent. I can't remember why but I took the wire off them and rewound using a different guage. Since then it hasn't worked. I do intend on rewinging the coils in the config that worked, but as usual life gets in the way a little. Hopefully I will get to it soon.

Cheers

[dave161299]

SJohnM81,

I watched this video quite some time ago and i was very impressed, it looks great, i was just wondering how you are getting on with it, what kind of output are you getting.

keep er lit, well made,

cheers,

dave.

[egrirobert]

why you not turn on?

[stanemarolt]

Just curious if you made any progres on kromry converter does it work??

I am building it to but I am using neodim magnets did you try that maybe

[Nabo00o]

A really beautiful motor you have there, nice work!

I would give a lot to make my work look that nice, but with time maybe ;D

[jahroen]

hi Sjohn81 any new update,s yet??

[Welesly77]

Sjohn81,

Just curious if you are going to give the 130 turn single coils a shot to see if you get the desired effect?

[SJohnM81]

Yes i am, but my new adapter still hasn't arrived. Way too much vibration at the moment.

[SJohnM81]

He has said that the one in the dvd are single wire coils of 130 turns. I have ordered my adapter from an online supplyer called "smallparts".

[BikoHatna]

Nice work Sjohn,

I was looking for some of Jkoorns vids and found yours.

As I watched Johns vid 10 I couldn't help but wonder if those coils were not tri-filer. He usually says tri-Filer when he is talking about that stuff. and the way he drew it made me think that the coils were layered.? One other question though, where did you order your flexible adapter ?

Thanks

[Welesly77]

If you don't mind me asking, are the magnets and end pole pieces just sandwiched together to make them stay put? or do the bolts pictured in the top run through the magnet stack to the bottom plate? Just curious how you did that. Again great work, can't wait to see it running :)

[SJohnM81]

Hi Wes,

They are just sandwiched together. The bolt are there to make sure that the ends don't move from vibration.

[valllhalla]

Exelent work. Great!! funny thing is iam trying to build the same machine exactly like yours. Congratulation

But can you help me out.. I need to know how the tri filar coils are wound.... is it clockwise anticlockwise??Please help!

Thanks

[SJohnM81]

I wasn't sure which way to wind them either, so I took a punt and wound them clockwise.

[Drevtoobe]

That's an amazing build. Perhaps you can dip your coils in laqueur or something to turn them into solid cylinders. The trifilar coils will act exactly like a single wire with the equivalent crosssection. Your setup is basically a motor/generator, I don't see anything special there. It will be tricky to measure the input and output power so good luck.

[Drevtoobe]

A little thought experiment for you: Imagine a single thick wire wound around your spool to make your coil. Then imagine the wire gets sliced like putty by a cutter that cuts the cross section into three even pie slices. In other words, make imaginary cuts in the single wire to split it into three parallel strips, and they remained joined at each end. Those cuts that you make through the wire will not affect the current flow.

[Drevtoobe]

The only change the cuts give you is now the wire has more surface area which means that it will perform better at very high frequencies due to the skin effect. That does not apply in your case because your frequencies are very low. The single wire or the wire sliced into three strips will generate the identical magnetic field and have the identical resistance. I don't know what John Bedini said on EFV, but if you can follow the thought experiment, judge for yourself.

[SJohnM81]

What your saying makes sence. I am trying to reproduce the machine according to Bedini's advice. According to him the trifilar setup is all to do with impedance and also states that this way is more efficient that using one wire on the coils. I have built these coils using three wires, but I do plan on building a set of coils that use one wire to compare.

[Drevtoobe]

Without seeing EFV, it's hard to respond directly. Impedance for a coil is a function of frequency and the inductance of the coil. It is typically associated with driving a coil with some sort of waveform. In your case the coils are being used to generate electricity, and the frequencies produced will always be very low. In that case I can't imagine any specific reason for a trifilar setup. Good luck on your project and I love the table, it's awesome.

[SJohnM81]

Drev, sorry man. I accidently clicked remove instead of reply for your post you just made about the cool air. I don't know how to undo that.

I am well aware of the wind chill effect as I call it. :) however Bedini explains in the dvd why and where the cold air comes from.

[comwarrior69]

hi SJohn...

Nice setup...

I posted on TEEP a question about cold air...

in EFV 10 John demos his unit and it's commented that their is cool air being pushed out...

so, i'm assuming it's not just the draft that makes it feel cold...

so, we have an imbalance in energies...

'something' is absorbing heat energy out of the air...

We know that coils will produce heat when under load... so whats absorbing the heat?

I'm theorising that the magnets are using the heat energy...

[comwarrior69]

We know that the ions in magnets are aligned in one direction which allows a magnetic field to flow... i'm wondering if the 'use' of the magnetic field moves the ions out of position slightly but when the field is not being 'used' anymore the ions move back into their original position... Therefor i'm wondering if the magnets are converting heat energy into magnetism...

I think me and drev have spotted the same thing...

[Drevtoobe]

I saw the trailer, he says "It has to output the cold energy, the negative energy." I don't view that as an explanation. Assuming that you make your measurements correctly there is no chance that you will measure more out than in. I don't mean to be negative. just real. It still is a worthwhile experiment. Don't be surprised if you are told it doesn't work because you "didn't do a correct replication." That's just fallng into the Mylow trap.

[Drevtoobe]

Kev and company, more about the cold air/heat issue: The device is putting heat into the air for the mormal reasons, not the other way aroud. There is no possible mechanism for the magnets to absorb heat from the air. The heat from the coils is warming up the air and also the device itself.

Back to the device itself: It is a classic electrical generator. Mechanical energy moves coils through a magnetic field. The changing magnetic flux going through the coils induce current in the coils.

[Drevtoobe]

That's the bear-bones description of the device.

If you attach a load resistor to the output of the generator you can measure the power output for different load resistors to try to find the best impedance match for the maximum power transfer to the load. Then you could compare that with the mechanical input power to the device to check for OU. You may nned proper measurement devices to make the mechanical power measurement.

[SJohnM81]

If you watch to whole dvd, what he his talking about there is the reason for the cold air.

[SJohnM81]

Hi,

If you want more lots more detailed info about the build you can check out the energetic forum (dot com) and look for a thread called "Bedini's Kromrey Converter". It has all the info you will need.

Cheers

[koornj]

Hi mate, another Aussie (Melbourne).

I was about to comment that your mag lock is not strong enough, until you said the coil was missing. Great build so far! I believe you want to run that thing at around 2200 - 2800 RPM with no load. It'll be interesting to see how a 6 pole Kromrey works. I saw JB's (same as DVD 10) and it blew me away.

John K.

[SJohnM81]

Hi John,

I am putting together a DC motor controller circuit so that I can adjust the speed. The motor on its own is way too fast at 9000 rpm. Most of my mechanical probs are from that alone.

Cheers,

[Welesly77]

Nice work :) I am still working on my SSG testing, but bought the #10 video and have been contemplating building a coverter myself. It is really encouraging to see such a solid replication so quickly. I can't wait to see it run when your new parts are ready. Great job! Keep us posted :)

[marthale7]

Thanks for your work on this. you mean that is all there is too it, just trifilars and a bridge rectifier? I have not bought the newest video as I am waiting till it is proven to work. Interesting idea to build a bigger magnet. I am wondering how neos would fair with the same setup. As always quality work my friend. How is the other charger working for you? Cheers!

[SJohnM81]

Hi Mart,

Yep, it seems to be this simple. The DVD is good I recomend getting it. I can't imagine using neos that big. :o The field strength would be massive. Wouldn't want to stand next to it with a watch on your wrist. :)

The other charger is going well. Just repairing one of the circuit boxes after I fried it.

Cheers,