Science from the Latin verb "scire" : to know. Research Amygdalin and embryologist John Beard's 1902 Trophoblast Thesis on Cancer. Watch: "World Without Cancer" on You-Tube. Hear my 2nd-hand account: “A cancer reversal testimony. B17. Richard of Daytona, Florida. 2009.”
young turks...young liberals....young destroyers of america...dems are getting massacred in a few short weeks...grab some popcorn and foam at the mouth watching olbermann....pseuodo-intellectuals like yourself can enjoy the pain as the witch loses her speakership:)
LOL! Oh ya!! his Left wing policies are reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally helping! You are so clueless it is almost not funny! Polls show people think he is TOO FAR LEFT - P E R I O D !! BYE BYE HOUSE in 2010! BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Stop being a PDA whore. Get off the public option cybian machine. You exposed yourself again. This public option stand has more to do with flexing progressive political muscle than passing quality legislation. The public option will raise costs even more.
Btw, overhead also includes settling claims and collecting premium, core competencies. Medicare is not insurance its and entitlement.
well obama certainly is taking a middle ground corse to have both the left and the right wing against him. At least he isnt taking a side really which is good. Both sides are entrenched in there idealogical camps, and to choose one side over the other would be disastrous for this time. I think its best to take a middle ground approach in a polarized time.
Just my opinion on this video.... Americans including the person on this video, WHY MOST Americans cry after all things ahve been done???????????
The media taking control over Americans, accepting what the media puts out daily. WE WANT CHANGE....WELL, you got the change you so deserve...BTW, Americans R so proud of the WARS (mostly) conducted by USA! What goes around comes around...USA will get it's share again for the war crimes committed!
If I was young I would get catastrophic insurance only, ACCIDENT INSURANCE. 20 year olds don't use insurance. So the under 30's are getting really screwed.
Liberals LOVE to think that Obama owes them a REACH AROUND... Look A Holes... Obama is working for ALL AMERICANS not MSNBC... You can't cover all people. That is welfare. You have to work to get health care. If you can't work that is a different story. Yes the BILL sucks because they tried to do too much. The GOP sucks and the DEM'S are inept and suck.
They are GOING to FORCE people to buy insurance? OK the insurance will LOVE IT. If can't afford it, GOV (my tax dollars) will pay for it? WTF?
Just like how Pubic Transportation, public infrastructure, public schooling, etc is socialist?
There are certain thing that everybody needs which cannot be adequately supplied to the whole of the public through private means. In countries that include Health Care tend to spend less per capita on health care and receive better net results.
You know that every developed country forces its citizens to buy car insurance, right? A whole lot of them forces its citizens to buy house insurance...
Netherlands and Switzerland, which don't have a single-payer system, also has mandatory private health insurance...
I guess ALL developed countries are fascists... we better move to Somalia.
That's very funny. But I'm being serious. Fascism, by definition, is when state governments use force (ie. law) against its citizens to the benefit of corporations. Look it up. "Developed" countries can be democratic and fascist at the same time -- as totalitarianism is not a prerequisite for the establishment of a fascist government.
Yes, by definition totalitarianism and fascism are not synonyms, but since fascists defend a single-party system. In fact we only had fascist governments embedded in totalitarianism and never in democracy. I understood your first comment, but it's misleading. It seems like America will become Hitler's Germany and that people will link it to Holocaust, which is pure non-sense.
Bottom line is that mandates to buy for corporations is a normal policy in a democracy.
Are you saying the Republicans and Democrats are not fascists? In fact, look at a picture of the House chamber and you will see the symbols of fascism -- the fasces -- on the wall. So, it is not a secret. People only need look with informed eyes.
Glenn Beck sees communist symbols in Rockefeller Center, please... Let's say that Republicans and Democrats are fascists (based on the iconography in the House), what about Houses all around the World? I've lived in three different countries and all of them are fascists?! I sure should go live in Somalia!!!
I've lived in 5 countries including the US. Are all modern, developed nations fascist? To an extent. It has been the trend since WW2 to use governments for the benefit of corporations. The difference between fascist governments today and those pre-WW2 is that totalitarianism is no longer needed to keep populations controlled. The rise of mass-media (also controlled by corporations) and the middle class have hypnotized people into accepting that their interests are not served by governments.
If you say we are controlled by corporatist Governments, I do agree. I don't like the word fascism, because of its connotation, though, since fascism is linked to lack of freedom. Our freedom is more limited by what corporations leads us to think than a mandate to buy whatever.
Fasces is a symbol used by fascism, but fascism doesn't own it. It was used by monarchies, for example. If it's used before the rise of the bourgeois, you cannot link it with corporatism. Either way, by this time, you may understand my objection against the word.
AlexxxCat: I don't necessarily think that fascists will always defend a single-party system. Some are happy to defend the illusion of a two-party system e.g. a two party system where both parties are pretty much the same.
I know why you say that people will link it to peoples' thoughts about the Holocaust. In fact, some suggest that America HAS committed war-crimes. Look at Iraq. Look at Palestine. In an ideal world, govs. would be tried for such crimes. NOT the whole country, just the govs.
And how can a two-party system be "enforced"? In theory, the US has a multi-party system. It would take decades to rise a new party, but it's possible.
I wouldn't go as far as America committing war crimes! Unfortunately, we see the hands of corporate America all over the wars. Wars feed the weapon industry and we also have contractors like Blackwater.
A better plan would be to require business to set aside 50 cents for every hour worked for employee catastrophic insurance. Then require individuals to set up healthcare savings accounts for comprehensive expenses, like routine doctors visits. Doctors will charge less if they do not have the insurance paper work, while at the same time no insurance to profit from these routine visits and the patient is more frugal as they are spending from their own account.
The individual could save up to $6,000 in their comprehensive savings accounts with a maximum spending per year of $3,000 at which time the catastrophic insurance would kick in.
the right wing is dying. pressure from the left is growing, and will continue to grow. as people become more educated, and because people have access to more fact through the internet, pressure from the left will get more intense.
Hey Cenk, people who play world of warcraft are some of the most politically activated and intelegent people i know; constant debating online leads to blogging.
Harry Reid and Barack Obama, if they had more balls and weren't gradualists, could've pushed through a public option and Democrats still could've kept their majorities.
I work for Caterpillar and our corporate office just released a memo to employees about the senate healthcare bill. After reading the bill it was determined that our healthcare costs will go up 20% the first year alone, due to this proposed reform bill. My senator, Claire McCaskill has shut her constituants out. Her office has not been accepting phone calls for a week now. When do we stop this insanity?
ok i really think cenk needs to be taken down a notch on something he said, i am one of those guys in the basement playing world of warcraft and watching lord of the rings, minus the cheetos and i don't live in the basement anymore since i went to college. so cenk, im not uber pissed at you but be mindful of your audience, im pretty sure a significant portion of it is gamers and alot of gamers are intelligent enough to understand what your saying. thuzan out bitch.
If the host here really thinks bringing everyone into the system and not allowing the actuaries to take pre-existing conditions into account is going to bring down premiums, he knows nothing of even the most elementary economics.
As far as actuaries and pre-existing conditions, as long as I see management in these HMOs making billions a year in pay and bonus, and the crappy expensive marketing they dont need to do, I dont think they needed to start this pre-existing condition bull.
The $246 billion the CBO estimated the legislation would save Medicare "can't both finance new programs and help pay future expenses for elderly covered under the federal program," as the current bill has it doing, the budget office said, "Nor could those savings be used to extend the solvency of Medicare, set to run out of money in 2017," Bloomberg reported.
Hey wait a minute i gotta put down my cheetos to answer....That show in the Morning Joe Scarborough,,is full of retards , they think we are stupid , well i think they are so busy sucking each others dicks over how smart they are , they don't fucking pay attention to what we want ... Joe has polluted the AM slot on MSNBC...Cenk deserves the morning slot on MSNBC
Lots of "experts" have said that this is first of many steps towards real reforms and always say just look back to how Social Security, Medicare/Medicad started...well that might be true BUT they failed to recognized that its "GOVT" backed social programs where it could be improved in later times but in case of senate bill, there is NO foundation to build upon on when insurance companies are heavily involved in this equation. Its like building a house with sand rather than a brick.
Senate bill is essentially bailout for insurance companies.
1. There is no competition mechanism to keep insurance in check. In result premium will continue to go up
2. Since there is mandate, individuals have to buy private insurance or pay hefty fines to insurance companies thus making insurance for more powerful and rich
3. This will delay future real reform at least twenty years or more while it will bankrupt US economy
I often wonder whether the government wouldn't be better off trying to pass smaller legislation! Wouldn't that weed out some of the drama associated with the process?
its funny how you keep bringing up the car insurance comparision to Health Care. You can buy car insurance across state lines, why dont democrats allow us to do that?? its not in the bill at all. Also car insurance is mandated only for people who drive. if i dont drive its not required for me to buy car insurance. but because i breathe i have to have health care?? secondly, you only need car insurance for collision. in the cases you cause damage to someone else. liability isnt always required.
HHH00069, you claim that allowing cross state competition is not in the h.c. bill at all.
Actually, both bills would set up an exchange, but the House Bill would create a "national" health care exchange which should effectively allow cross state competition of insurance companies wishing to offer plans on the exchange. Of course that's not something you will ever hear on Fox News.
Bigger pack of cry babies? How about those fucking teabaggers? How about you? Yeah almost all politics is complaining and criticism, fucking idiot. Idiot. These old media fucks scoff at new media to their peril.
Intelligent people realize that a mandate is absolutely necessary if you are going to lower premiums (or at least slow the rate of increase) by spreading the risk pool as far as possible.
@megarational Although usually I would agree that the only change you'll find in congress and senate (not including wars) is incremental. A good example of this is the Financial Reform bill which is NOWHERE near enough actual reform but at least it is a step in the CORRECT direction. Passing this bill does two negative things: 1) force people to buy private insurance 2) If they pass this bill it will be a LONG time before health-care ever becomes an issue because in the Democrat's mind,
Actually, forcing everyone to have h.c. insurance is a step in the right direction. If you are going to slow he rate of increase in premiums you have to make the risk pool as large as possible.
As to your opinion that if this bill is passed it will be a long time before h.c. ever becomes an issue again, maybe yes, maybe no. You could make a similar argumen if the h.c. bill doesn't pass.
I don't agree that a mandate is a step in the wrong direction. As to whether h.c. will become an issue again if this bill is passed: maybe yes, maybe no. The same argument could be made if the h.c. reform is not passed. I would argue that "conservatives" (a misnomer in my opinion) have so weakened the present bills that the government may have a lot of incentive to do further measures.
The House & Senate have each passed their own bill. but the final version of the bill that will be presented to the President has not yet even been written, much less passed.
i have to say that i'm a little surprised so many ppl are feining shock at this imperfect bill...in what dimension can an informed person expect a truly progressive bill from a 60-40 dem majority?
this bill is what i've always known it to be, a starting point. these ppl who say this bill should die are fucking retarded and don't recognize this impossible odds that the dems have beaten.
this story book reality u ppl think exists in washington is laughable. time to grow up folks
logoth80 speaks logically & receives -3 points! How crazy are people, really?
Barack Obama tells blatant lies & completely ignores the will of the people, just like George Bush did - looks like he's good for another 4 years come 2012!
Any law that makes it mandatory to buy something from a for-profit company is fascism. (Merging of corporations with gov't.)
This is why I don't have car insurance. It's cheaper just to drive safely and pay the fines from the fascist police department. I don't recommend anyone else do this, but I haven't had it in over 4 years, and paid less than $700 is fines... Starve the beast!
No shit. The flipside is I don't want to be hit by some jackass who thinks it's alright to drive recklessly because insurance will take care of it. What happened to personal responsibility? I'd rather have my hard earned cash go to the local police dept. over some for-profit legal corporate racketeering scheme.
I have created a new bill that will solve hunger by MANDATING that ALL of the hungry in America buy no less then 1 mean a day at McDonald's, Burger King, or any other "for profit" fast food chain that serves food that can not be legally considered nutritional!
Since this will be LAW, and those that fail to COMPLY will be fined, PROBLEM SOLVED, no more hunger in America!
6:12 except that what is currently on the market only costs as much as a luxury car but doesnt do nearly as good, which was the reason that made reform necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE.
its like you said, cenk, "how do you change stupid people into smart people?"
all this talk about the so called Healthcare debate is really boring me now
I know it is a huge issue - but again I think the answer is simple. Go the way of most of Europe; a medicare for all as some have called it. End of and it is the thing that any decent human being would choose, cover everybody, pay through tax as in the end the health of our fellow man is more important than profit - at least to us non americans it is
This country is in serious trouble. We are very divided and all during a bad economy and 2 stupid wars. I don't see this turning out well at all for us.
Do all american citizens deserve access equally to health care? (regardless of their personal resources)
If your answers to the above is no, then you are not an american the way the rest of the world has always fantasized americans to be!
If the majority of americans say no to the above, then USA does not deserve to shout USA Number 1 or any other such stuff, ever, under any circumstances!
God dammit. Republicans see things fucked up and assume its because theyre not further to the right. "Liberals" see republicans fucking up and assume its because theyre not being nice enough........ geezus fucking christ.
I just dont see how giving private insurers more clients with the mandate, and more tax payer money through subsidies is in any way a win for us the people. We don't like a system that puts profit over people. We want health coverage to be as inspiring as firefighters. Not scandelous as Enron
The senate is nuts. I don't understand how the democrats could be so blind to not understand. Do they even watch cable news? If this is the best the democrats can do then, as a nation, we are in serious trouble. We need some kind of third party or something to fix this.
On O'Donnell's second point 9:30 and the Young Turks response 10:34
People won't remember that some liberals didn't like it -- liberals are going to be tagged with this turkey of a bill because the public thinks in broad strokes without grasping details --
It's a "Democrat" bill with a "liberal" Democrat in the White House pushing it, and all the other little liberals shouting from the periphery that this bill doesn't go far enough will be eclipsed by the one's who voted for it.
I agree with cenk, but seriously, not everybody from the world of e-sports is a dimwitted moron who do not divulge themselves in the sea of politics, take a look at Klazart Sc or Boxer, a famous korean sc player who is a consultant for Obama's info on how to deal with Nk's
@fonkymaster In short, it's forced grand theft of the people, no public option, anti-abortion, etcetera. Oh yeah, and you HAVE to buy it from one of the current companies, but they can choose to refuse you healthcare even if you're paying it. That's the short list, want the long one?
This is the same racketeering as my "repair your credit" car loan, 36 % interest compounded daily AND the car can't be older that 3 yrs. I couldn't get someone to loan $2000 to replace a vehicle that the insurance company totaled. But I could get loan $10,000 or $350.00 a month which was more than the house payment at the time.
about 5 million of us are going to throw tea in Boston river prepare yourselves, it wont end their you people are screwed. I bet their cry when their on pikes.
@Xenite227 If it's between the current Democrats and current Republicans I still urge you to vote democrat. The Dems might make unnecessary concessions and not push for things nearly as hard as they should but between weaklings and corporate shills I think you'd be better off with the weaklings.
@Sardonac No, vote for someone who actually has a brain and spine that you agree with. Too bad I'm not a corporate rich brat, and not old enough to run, guarantee I'd raise all hell.
I really wish it wasn't that simple. I would hope for a complex and nuanced reasoning behind their actions but there isn't; they're PUSSIES, end of story.
A slightly more accurate analogy of the private health insurance mandate might be you're forced to pay for either a Mercedes or a BMW, but what you get is a lemon.
I think a major problem that the Democrats have is that they seem to refuse to want to play TOO dirty. And bullshit like saying, "Is there a bigger group of crybabies than (insert opposition)?" is dirty fighting. Dems slip a bit in here and there, but the GOP fights DIRTY. If you deny that "Death Panels" and "Obama is a Muslim" and "Obama was born in Kenya" isn't fighting dirty? BS.
The Dems should be thanking the flying spaghetti monster that Howard Dean etc were so vocal. Because unless the people who's votes aren't set in stone didn't hear the opposition to this bill, then they'd be totally screwed.
At least now people know that liberal and progressive isn't tied to this bill.
In my state, when a madate was made that declared all new drivers had to go to driving school before they could even try to get a license, ALL of the driving schools doubled their prices.
And, throughout the country, when big businesses were required by law to provide health insurance, health insurance companies doubled their prices.
That law, by the way, was lobbied for by insurance companies. We Americans are such fucking sheep. I don't think we evolved from apes, I think we evolved from sheep.
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Science from the Latin verb "scire" : to know. Research Amygdalin and embryologist John Beard's 1902 Trophoblast Thesis on Cancer. Watch: "World Without Cancer" on You-Tube. Hear my 2nd-hand account: “A cancer reversal testimony. B17. Richard of Daytona, Florida. 2009.”
TubeRuleEnforcer 1 year ago
young turks...young liberals....young destroyers of america...dems are getting massacred in a few short weeks...grab some popcorn and foam at the mouth watching olbermann....pseuodo-intellectuals like yourself can enjoy the pain as the witch loses her speakership:)
indkeith 1 year ago
@indkeith ~ just curious, what exactly are you hoping republicans will accomplish? specifically?
tomitstube 1 year ago
LOL! Oh ya!! his Left wing policies are reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally helping! You are so clueless it is almost not funny! Polls show people think he is TOO FAR LEFT - P E R I O D !! BYE BYE HOUSE in 2010! BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
mgallant01 1 year ago
Harry Reid can't control his caucus.
LOL
ReallyPsilly 1 year ago
Stop being a PDA whore. Get off the public option cybian machine. You exposed yourself again. This public option stand has more to do with flexing progressive political muscle than passing quality legislation. The public option will raise costs even more.
Btw, overhead also includes settling claims and collecting premium, core competencies. Medicare is not insurance its and entitlement.
schmokay 2 years ago
Cenk isn't a "moderate" as he says. He's a soft libertarian, which I'd also consider myself(although we do disagree on a few points).
Xerxes4242 2 years ago
Why the shitty music at 10:00ish? Other than that, good video.
Xerxes4242 2 years ago
Tom Petty I Won't Back Down
sjk5000 1 year ago
well obama certainly is taking a middle ground corse to have both the left and the right wing against him. At least he isnt taking a side really which is good. Both sides are entrenched in there idealogical camps, and to choose one side over the other would be disastrous for this time. I think its best to take a middle ground approach in a polarized time.
jamaicanification 2 years ago
Just my opinion on this video.... Americans including the person on this video, WHY MOST Americans cry after all things ahve been done???????????
The media taking control over Americans, accepting what the media puts out daily. WE WANT CHANGE....WELL, you got the change you so deserve...BTW, Americans R so proud of the WARS (mostly) conducted by USA! What goes around comes around...USA will get it's share again for the war crimes committed!
Sirmau 2 years ago
If I was young I would get catastrophic insurance only, ACCIDENT INSURANCE. 20 year olds don't use insurance. So the under 30's are getting really screwed.
I think the Dems might be screwed in 2010.
geeflyboy 2 years ago
Liberals LOVE to think that Obama owes them a REACH AROUND... Look A Holes... Obama is working for ALL AMERICANS not MSNBC... You can't cover all people. That is welfare. You have to work to get health care. If you can't work that is a different story. Yes the BILL sucks because they tried to do too much. The GOP sucks and the DEM'S are inept and suck.
They are GOING to FORCE people to buy insurance? OK the insurance will LOVE IT. If can't afford it, GOV (my tax dollars) will pay for it? WTF?
geeflyboy 2 years ago
Just like how Pubic Transportation, public infrastructure, public schooling, etc is socialist?
There are certain thing that everybody needs which cannot be adequately supplied to the whole of the public through private means. In countries that include Health Care tend to spend less per capita on health care and receive better net results.
cryingsoftly 2 years ago
Any gov't which forces a person -- by law -- to give his money to a corporation is a fascist gov't. God bless America!
wnnw98 2 years ago
You know that every developed country forces its citizens to buy car insurance, right? A whole lot of them forces its citizens to buy house insurance...
Netherlands and Switzerland, which don't have a single-payer system, also has mandatory private health insurance...
I guess ALL developed countries are fascists... we better move to Somalia.
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
That's very funny. But I'm being serious. Fascism, by definition, is when state governments use force (ie. law) against its citizens to the benefit of corporations. Look it up. "Developed" countries can be democratic and fascist at the same time -- as totalitarianism is not a prerequisite for the establishment of a fascist government.
wnnw98 2 years ago
Yes, by definition totalitarianism and fascism are not synonyms, but since fascists defend a single-party system. In fact we only had fascist governments embedded in totalitarianism and never in democracy. I understood your first comment, but it's misleading. It seems like America will become Hitler's Germany and that people will link it to Holocaust, which is pure non-sense.
Bottom line is that mandates to buy for corporations is a normal policy in a democracy.
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
Are you saying the Republicans and Democrats are not fascists? In fact, look at a picture of the House chamber and you will see the symbols of fascism -- the fasces -- on the wall. So, it is not a secret. People only need look with informed eyes.
wnnw98 2 years ago
Informed eyes or conspiracy-theorist eyes?
Glenn Beck sees communist symbols in Rockefeller Center, please... Let's say that Republicans and Democrats are fascists (based on the iconography in the House), what about Houses all around the World? I've lived in three different countries and all of them are fascists?! I sure should go live in Somalia!!!
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
I've lived in 5 countries including the US. Are all modern, developed nations fascist? To an extent. It has been the trend since WW2 to use governments for the benefit of corporations. The difference between fascist governments today and those pre-WW2 is that totalitarianism is no longer needed to keep populations controlled. The rise of mass-media (also controlled by corporations) and the middle class have hypnotized people into accepting that their interests are not served by governments.
wnnw98 2 years ago
If you say we are controlled by corporatist Governments, I do agree. I don't like the word fascism, because of its connotation, though, since fascism is linked to lack of freedom. Our freedom is more limited by what corporations leads us to think than a mandate to buy whatever.
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
AlexxxCat: You've touched on a good point. Connotations.
Fascism is linked to a lack of freedom because it's linked to a totalitarian government.
Fascism is the connection of corporations and state, so Mussolini said.
But his government was what you call totalitarian as opposed to e.g. libertarian.
Stalin was a totalitarian, but not a fascist.
Hitler was both.
Our freedom is also limited by the influence of corporations on politics - fascism - as well as what they get people to think.
1000Demons 2 years ago
But, honestly, just look up the word fasces. Do a google image search. It's not "conspiracy-theory." It's conspiracy-fact.
And by the way, Glenn Beck is a moron and nothing he says should be taken seriously. He is just an attention whore.
wnnw98 2 years ago
Fasces is a symbol used by fascism, but fascism doesn't own it. It was used by monarchies, for example. If it's used before the rise of the bourgeois, you cannot link it with corporatism. Either way, by this time, you may understand my objection against the word.
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
AlexxxCat: I don't necessarily think that fascists will always defend a single-party system. Some are happy to defend the illusion of a two-party system e.g. a two party system where both parties are pretty much the same.
I know why you say that people will link it to peoples' thoughts about the Holocaust. In fact, some suggest that America HAS committed war-crimes. Look at Iraq. Look at Palestine. In an ideal world, govs. would be tried for such crimes. NOT the whole country, just the govs.
1000Demons 2 years ago
And how can a two-party system be "enforced"? In theory, the US has a multi-party system. It would take decades to rise a new party, but it's possible.
I wouldn't go as far as America committing war crimes! Unfortunately, we see the hands of corporate America all over the wars. Wars feed the weapon industry and we also have contractors like Blackwater.
AlexxxCat 2 years ago
We have the Auto Insurance Mandates in Michigan already.
Umbreona 2 years ago
Fuck the mandates... I won't pay for that shit.
SuperEvilC 2 years ago
Corporations need to be dismantled destroy the fifties mentality....small local business..yeah!!
humaner 2 years ago
A better plan would be to require business to set aside 50 cents for every hour worked for employee catastrophic insurance. Then require individuals to set up healthcare savings accounts for comprehensive expenses, like routine doctors visits. Doctors will charge less if they do not have the insurance paper work, while at the same time no insurance to profit from these routine visits and the patient is more frugal as they are spending from their own account.
thoughtchallenge 2 years ago
The individual could save up to $6,000 in their comprehensive savings accounts with a maximum spending per year of $3,000 at which time the catastrophic insurance would kick in.
thoughtchallenge 2 years ago
We sink into depression while that shithead Obama flies to Hawaii on our dime.
Impeach his scrawny ass.
Dagney77 2 years ago
Hey! I play world of warcraft while listening to this. Don't throw stones at me Cenk.
ApsisApocynthion 2 years ago
lmao so do i
Youssefx56 2 years ago
@Youssefx56 We can't help but take that personal, I mean he shot right at us. Lame.
ApsisApocynthion 2 years ago
the right wing is dying. pressure from the left is growing, and will continue to grow. as people become more educated, and because people have access to more fact through the internet, pressure from the left will get more intense.
viva la revolucion.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago 6
Hey Cenk, people who play world of warcraft are some of the most politically activated and intelegent people i know; constant debating online leads to blogging.
why does every1 trash wow?
zombikilla92 2 years ago
omg, Cenk's impressions are hilarious.
frankystein12 2 years ago
the WOW player with cheeto's is about right,
TrueManaBeast 2 years ago
Harry Reid and Barack Obama, if they had more balls and weren't gradualists, could've pushed through a public option and Democrats still could've kept their majorities.
dizzymasekela 2 years ago
What's wrong with world of warcraft ;pPp
and btw I dont like Lord Of the Rings LMAO
bigboss2011 2 years ago
dude, don't badmouths the cheetos
TheFunkyDomination 2 years ago
Zorrie... but what the HELLL(!!!) is a "purist"??
daddyleon 2 years ago
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I work for Caterpillar and our corporate office just released a memo to employees about the senate healthcare bill. After reading the bill it was determined that our healthcare costs will go up 20% the first year alone, due to this proposed reform bill. My senator, Claire McCaskill has shut her constituants out. Her office has not been accepting phone calls for a week now. When do we stop this insanity?
jjmnky 2 years ago
it will raise healthcare costs. this is important..........
ya think?
madmiguelh2o 2 years ago
lmao "duuuuuh i need mandates"
smdiddy 2 years ago
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Expansion of government, - 60 senators want it, the US citizens don't.
Codger45caliber 2 years ago
Your wrong, as conservatives usually are.
Most polls in the last few decades have shown americans to want universal healthcare.
Technically, even many of the 40 senators want bigger gov, because they want to override states rights to allow HMOs to sell across state lines.
Thats a whole other messy topic of course.
waltermh111 2 years ago 11
Stop spamming, Codger.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
ok i really think cenk needs to be taken down a notch on something he said, i am one of those guys in the basement playing world of warcraft and watching lord of the rings, minus the cheetos and i don't live in the basement anymore since i went to college. so cenk, im not uber pissed at you but be mindful of your audience, im pretty sure a significant portion of it is gamers and alot of gamers are intelligent enough to understand what your saying. thuzan out bitch.
thuzan117 2 years ago
5:03 Cenk!!!
NYTimesOnline 2 years ago
If the host here really thinks bringing everyone into the system and not allowing the actuaries to take pre-existing conditions into account is going to bring down premiums, he knows nothing of even the most elementary economics.
franksnow79 2 years ago
if only everybody was as much a know it all as you.
Though economics.
Supply and demand.
Higher demand with high supply is lower prices.
We have the supply, we get the demand.
Larger pool means more bargaining power.
Everybody under the same program means larger pool.
Non-prfit means less overhead.
Medicare is over cost only because its all elderly in it, but its overhead is very low and its run quite efficiently.
I am missing some other basics, but yeah, you missed alot more.
waltermh111 2 years ago
As far as actuaries and pre-existing conditions, as long as I see management in these HMOs making billions a year in pay and bonus, and the crappy expensive marketing they dont need to do, I dont think they needed to start this pre-existing condition bull.
waltermh111 2 years ago
I wish I didn't love the retard voice so much, but I do - it's hilarious.
Randomambusher 2 years ago 2
@Randomambusher 100% agree
smdiddy 2 years ago
The $246 billion the CBO estimated the legislation would save Medicare "can't both finance new programs and help pay future expenses for elderly covered under the federal program," as the current bill has it doing, the budget office said, "Nor could those savings be used to extend the solvency of Medicare, set to run out of money in 2017," Bloomberg reported.
dkkght46 2 years ago
If Jane Hamsher is not a purist then noone is. She is the DEFINITION of a purist
someperson111 2 years ago
How much worse could it possibly get after compromising it's compromised compromise?
Saaduk92 2 years ago
Hey wait a minute i gotta put down my cheetos to answer....That show in the Morning Joe Scarborough,,is full of retards , they think we are stupid , well i think they are so busy sucking each others dicks over how smart they are , they don't fucking pay attention to what we want ... Joe has polluted the AM slot on MSNBC...Cenk deserves the morning slot on MSNBC
sjcpal 2 years ago
Screw the mandate...
We need to have Bernie Sanders' amendment passed.
antifaith82 2 years ago
LOL....playing world of warcraft "duh im against mandates"...lol
That was funny
agnosticautonomy 2 years ago
Cenk is just toooo funny... We can use some levity in all this miserable news.
Boobalopbop 2 years ago 2
I strongly support mandate along as the public have an option. That is why the final bill should have some type of public option.
USB06 2 years ago
Lots of "experts" have said that this is first of many steps towards real reforms and always say just look back to how Social Security, Medicare/Medicad started...well that might be true BUT they failed to recognized that its "GOVT" backed social programs where it could be improved in later times but in case of senate bill, there is NO foundation to build upon on when insurance companies are heavily involved in this equation. Its like building a house with sand rather than a brick.
USB06 2 years ago
Senate bill is essentially bailout for insurance companies.
1. There is no competition mechanism to keep insurance in check. In result premium will continue to go up
2. Since there is mandate, individuals have to buy private insurance or pay hefty fines to insurance companies thus making insurance for more powerful and rich
3. This will delay future real reform at least twenty years or more while it will bankrupt US economy
USB06 2 years ago 2
What's really sad is that the mandate, with our tax money subsidizing the poor to buy private insurance, IS socialism.
The public option as proposed was not.
aaronsande 2 years ago
Socialism and private insurance are mutually exclusive.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
@MarquisdeBarrabas In theory, yes.
aaronsande 2 years ago
Harwood fails to realize this is a huge step...SIDEWAYS, not forwards.
aaronsande 2 years ago
Senate
- No Public Option or Buy in Medicare (54-64)
- Mandate, w/o it individuals have to pay fines
- Cost $871 Billion in 10 years
- tax on middle class
- covers only 94% leaves out +20 million
USB06 2 years ago
Mendelevium146
House
- Public Option
-Strict abortion language
- Support Anti-monopoly
- tax on who makes $500K
- No mandate (i think)
-cost little over $1 trillion dollars in 10 years
-covers over 97% of population
USB06 2 years ago 3
Can someone plz tell me what is the reform BILL?
Is it what the reform will cost?
Mendelevium146 2 years ago
The reform BILL is the law project.
Like, let's say I want minimum legal drinking age to be 16, I write a bill and submit it to the congress, they agree and the law is now changed.
jeemaurice 2 years ago
thanks
Mendelevium146 2 years ago
I often wonder whether the government wouldn't be better off trying to pass smaller legislation! Wouldn't that weed out some of the drama associated with the process?
johnedwards1968 2 years ago
its funny how you keep bringing up the car insurance comparision to Health Care. You can buy car insurance across state lines, why dont democrats allow us to do that?? its not in the bill at all. Also car insurance is mandated only for people who drive. if i dont drive its not required for me to buy car insurance. but because i breathe i have to have health care?? secondly, you only need car insurance for collision. in the cases you cause damage to someone else. liability isnt always required.
HHH00069 2 years ago
HHH00069, you claim that allowing cross state competition is not in the h.c. bill at all.
Actually, both bills would set up an exchange, but the House Bill would create a "national" health care exchange which should effectively allow cross state competition of insurance companies wishing to offer plans on the exchange. Of course that's not something you will ever hear on Fox News.
megarational 2 years ago
I think Cenk is right and wrong at the end...
Regardless of how many liberals oppose this bill (for the right reasons)...
Conservatives will attack the shit out of it. And they will need only point to the name that signed it into law...Obama.
Does anyone think that teabaggers will remember this contentious debate...that some liberals were opposed to this bill? Yea...thats what i thought....
Wanna know how to lose the white house and majorities? Pass this bill...thats how...
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago
much of the left is actually pushing for a single payer option.
ddean1987 2 years ago
Doesn't matter. The people do not control the government.
needparalegal 2 years ago
Nothing is dumb as a typical american voter.
tommysch 2 years ago
Bigger pack of cry babies? How about those fucking teabaggers? How about you? Yeah almost all politics is complaining and criticism, fucking idiot. Idiot. These old media fucks scoff at new media to their peril.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago 3
Pass this bill. It has some of the necessary reforms, including ending some of the worst insurance company abuses.
Then, after it's passed, propose another bill which is solely the public option, which most Americans favor.
This bill is a necessary start. it is not the be-all and end-all.
megarational 2 years ago 3
Not if it has the mandate.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
Intelligent people realize that a mandate is absolutely necessary if you are going to lower premiums (or at least slow the rate of increase) by spreading the risk pool as far as possible.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational Although usually I would agree that the only change you'll find in congress and senate (not including wars) is incremental. A good example of this is the Financial Reform bill which is NOWHERE near enough actual reform but at least it is a step in the CORRECT direction. Passing this bill does two negative things: 1) force people to buy private insurance 2) If they pass this bill it will be a LONG time before health-care ever becomes an issue because in the Democrat's mind,
ShinigamiZanpaktou 2 years ago
Actually, forcing everyone to have h.c. insurance is a step in the right direction. If you are going to slow he rate of increase in premiums you have to make the risk pool as large as possible.
As to your opinion that if this bill is passed it will be a long time before h.c. ever becomes an issue again, maybe yes, maybe no. You could make a similar argumen if the h.c. bill doesn't pass.
megarational 2 years ago
I don't agree that a mandate is a step in the wrong direction. As to whether h.c. will become an issue again if this bill is passed: maybe yes, maybe no. The same argument could be made if the h.c. reform is not passed. I would argue that "conservatives" (a misnomer in my opinion) have so weakened the present bills that the government may have a lot of incentive to do further measures.
megarational 2 years ago
@megarational they already passed Healtch-care reform
ShinigamiZanpaktou 2 years ago
The House & Senate have each passed their own bill. but the final version of the bill that will be presented to the President has not yet even been written, much less passed.
megarational 2 years ago
4:05-4:12 nailed it.
Stop celebrating and focus on what is in the bill!!!
Once you do, it completely sucks unless your in gov or an insurance provider.
dirtynas 2 years ago
Can anyone tell me what language logth80 is speaking?
mynameisbobtoo 2 years ago
i have to say that i'm a little surprised so many ppl are feining shock at this imperfect bill...in what dimension can an informed person expect a truly progressive bill from a 60-40 dem majority?
this bill is what i've always known it to be, a starting point. these ppl who say this bill should die are fucking retarded and don't recognize this impossible odds that the dems have beaten.
this story book reality u ppl think exists in washington is laughable. time to grow up folks
DannyEmbry 2 years ago
@DannyEmbry
Ah, But off course,
Cenk and the other progressives,
wont realise, that this fight has been going on for decades.
and a starting bill, its essiential
allthough, I think its the right way to go,
to push and push Democrats.
Keep up the good job Cenk, It means something to Pressure Obama to the left,
I didnt heard any complains from progressives for 5 months Now its about time they pressure from the left.
zacky89 2 years ago
Cenk you geting brainwashed to belive its worth passing.
almost every progressive is.
wake up. imagine that bill got presented this way on second day. HELL NO.
if they dont kill the bill, they will NEVER be done better.
its like bandaid on a diseased tissue, it looks good enough so u dont worry that much, but you still rot underneath.
kill the bill. make Obama redo it from zero, if he wont, he will lose 2012.
corporate dems WILL do better next time, unless we surrender
logoth80 2 years ago
ILoIL!
logoth80 speaks logically & receives -3 points! How crazy are people, really?
Barack Obama tells blatant lies & completely ignores the will of the people, just like George Bush did - looks like he's good for another 4 years come 2012!
odetoinsolence 2 years ago
Any law that makes it mandatory to buy something from a for-profit company is fascism. (Merging of corporations with gov't.)
This is why I don't have car insurance. It's cheaper just to drive safely and pay the fines from the fascist police department. I don't recommend anyone else do this, but I haven't had it in over 4 years, and paid less than $700 is fines... Starve the beast!
antifaith82 2 years ago
@antifaith82 that works unless you get in accident and injure someone who doesn't have health insurance....
ojisama8 2 years ago
der-de-derr!!
No shit. The flipside is I don't want to be hit by some jackass who thinks it's alright to drive recklessly because insurance will take care of it. What happened to personal responsibility? I'd rather have my hard earned cash go to the local police dept. over some for-profit legal corporate racketeering scheme.
antifaith82 2 years ago
Why does the dummy have to watching Lord of the Rings? Oh man.
eirefrance 2 years ago
To answer Douchebag McFuckwit's question at 0:51; yes, its called the American Conservative Right first and the useless 3rd-grade media second.
eirefrance 2 years ago
I think it's easier in America to start wars than have a half good healthcare system
SupremePenguinTone 2 years ago 4
GREAT NEWS! I have SOLVED HUNGER IN AMERICA!
I have created a new bill that will solve hunger by MANDATING that ALL of the hungry in America buy no less then 1 mean a day at McDonald's, Burger King, or any other "for profit" fast food chain that serves food that can not be legally considered nutritional!
Since this will be LAW, and those that fail to COMPLY will be fined, PROBLEM SOLVED, no more hunger in America!
Send my Nobel Prize to......
Oh, if this doesn't work, blame the DEMOCRATS!
fret2424 2 years ago 6
a mandate!!@@£$%^&*() hahahahah
wickstarr 2 years ago
Pass it, don't pass it.
Either way, the Dems are screwed.
PerryLogan 2 years ago
And so are the Americans
dude1a2z 2 years ago 3
Ha! I play WoW! I feel so famous now.
YawnGod 2 years ago
@YawnGod
Me too but I wasn't playing during this clip at least lol
Robin12340 2 years ago
this "reform" is an epic fail
DavesMx6 2 years ago 4
6:12 except that what is currently on the market only costs as much as a luxury car but doesnt do nearly as good, which was the reason that made reform necessary IN THE FIRST PLACE.
its like you said, cenk, "how do you change stupid people into smart people?"
its not gonna happen.
playgrrrr 2 years ago
all this talk about the so called Healthcare debate is really boring me now
I know it is a huge issue - but again I think the answer is simple. Go the way of most of Europe; a medicare for all as some have called it. End of and it is the thing that any decent human being would choose, cover everybody, pay through tax as in the end the health of our fellow man is more important than profit - at least to us non americans it is
I am soo bored with profit first fuckheads
thenewvoice8 2 years ago 3
This country is in serious trouble. We are very divided and all during a bad economy and 2 stupid wars. I don't see this turning out well at all for us.
refuckulate420 2 years ago 3
Also, Harwood, or whatever his name is, got history wrong -- this "win" is bigger than the Civil Rights Act of '64? Common, dude.
Zakdayak 2 years ago
ok i agree most of the time with cenk, but this time hes just getting a litle paranoid
koreythehill 2 years ago
lawrence o'donnell is awesome
Toxxic88 2 years ago
Obama is the best thing to ever happen ..... to insurance companies
CheapBeer09 2 years ago 4
This debate should be framed differently:
Are all american citizens equal?
Do all american citizens deserve access equally to health care? (regardless of their personal resources)
If your answers to the above is no, then you are not an american the way the rest of the world has always fantasized americans to be!
If the majority of americans say no to the above, then USA does not deserve to shout USA Number 1 or any other such stuff, ever, under any circumstances!
arachn1dinshoe 2 years ago 5
God dammit. Republicans see things fucked up and assume its because theyre not further to the right. "Liberals" see republicans fucking up and assume its because theyre not being nice enough........ geezus fucking christ.
Ivan951 2 years ago 2
wtf man why are the commercials so much olouder than tyt!!!!!!!!!!1
Ivan951 2 years ago 2
get firefox and adblocker
kkamp2007 2 years ago
lol idiocracy=wow+lotr+idiots
Hellooo20 2 years ago
Great vid Cenk! And great points as well.
Oh... and... great Progressive plug too! lol
Krumbz2003 2 years ago
I just dont see how giving private insurers more clients with the mandate, and more tax payer money through subsidies is in any way a win for us the people. We don't like a system that puts profit over people. We want health coverage to be as inspiring as firefighters. Not scandelous as Enron
audiowiz 2 years ago
Another good one, Cenk.
FormerlyKnownAsNopez 2 years ago 2
The senate is nuts. I don't understand how the democrats could be so blind to not understand. Do they even watch cable news? If this is the best the democrats can do then, as a nation, we are in serious trouble. We need some kind of third party or something to fix this.
gunslinger107 2 years ago 3
On O'Donnell's second point 9:30 and the Young Turks response 10:34
People won't remember that some liberals didn't like it -- liberals are going to be tagged with this turkey of a bill because the public thinks in broad strokes without grasping details --
It's a "Democrat" bill with a "liberal" Democrat in the White House pushing it, and all the other little liberals shouting from the periphery that this bill doesn't go far enough will be eclipsed by the one's who voted for it.
classic14rider 2 years ago 2
I agree with cenk, but seriously, not everybody from the world of e-sports is a dimwitted moron who do not divulge themselves in the sea of politics, take a look at Klazart Sc or Boxer, a famous korean sc player who is a consultant for Obama's info on how to deal with Nk's
EziixPked 2 years ago
what does lord of the rings have to do with being stupid?
gan0nsl4y3r 2 years ago
So wait, someone summarize what is wrong with the senate bill. I tried research, but I need to know exactly what the fuss is about.
fonkymaster 2 years ago
@fonkymaster In short, it's forced grand theft of the people, no public option, anti-abortion, etcetera. Oh yeah, and you HAVE to buy it from one of the current companies, but they can choose to refuse you healthcare even if you're paying it. That's the short list, want the long one?
LightSlei 2 years ago
@LightSlei
I just looked at S1679 and I saw it spoke of a PO...so now I am confused.
fonkymaster 2 years ago
@LightSlei
NVM. It does not. I was reading the total wrong shit.
fonkymaster 2 years ago
HEY...i play world of Warcraft...
will0ughby 2 years ago
This is the same racketeering as my "repair your credit" car loan, 36 % interest compounded daily AND the car can't be older that 3 yrs. I couldn't get someone to loan $2000 to replace a vehicle that the insurance company totaled. But I could get loan $10,000 or $350.00 a month which was more than the house payment at the time.
VioletCRT 2 years ago
about 5 million of us are going to throw tea in Boston river prepare yourselves, it wont end their you people are screwed. I bet their cry when their on pikes.
xiola6969 2 years ago
Lol@ this idiot calling them crybabies. Unbelievable stupidity.
Asymmatrix 2 years ago
This bill needs to be killed or major lawsuits need to be initiated.
Asymmatrix 2 years ago
he can't control his CAUCUS. LOL
Insaneindabrain35 2 years ago
@Insaneindabrain35
isnt it obamas job to control his party lol
indian8217 2 years ago
i was joking. get it? cockus?
Insaneindabrain35 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Cenk is really a misguided progressive lunatic!!
first, he claims that the GOP were trying to block the reform, and now he claims that the Bill would be worse if not to far left pressure LMFAO
who in his right mind would expect the GOP to support far left agenda??
Cenk is a true scatter brain. He belongs on MSNBC with all the other far left assholes
LMFAO
genie0390 2 years ago
@genie0390
Fail...go troll somewhere else.
boorens18 2 years ago
@genie0390
Do you see a video then make up what you want in your mind? He disagree with the guy that said it on MSNBC.
jxsilicon9 2 years ago
Barnacle, STFU. Jackass.
GrownupPhan 2 years ago
Obama has been a big disappointment.
bamboo4tameshigiri 2 years ago 4
Vote socialist or communist next year guys.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
HAHA!
that piece of liberal FILTH O'Donnell admitted that MSNBCrap does nothing but push the leftwing loon progressive SCUM agenda.
that's why that entire network is a complete disaster failure.
LIBERALS=EPIC FAIL
friction00815 2 years ago
@friction00815 I always look for your comments to make me happy. Thanks man. Nothing like a good troll to lighten up the mood.
CapitalistOverlord 2 years ago 3
@friction00815 Go troll somewhere else.
Sardonac 2 years ago 2
Well Dem's have lost both my and my girlfriends vote in 2010 and 2012 unless someone runs against Obama in the primary.
I'm done with this lying sleave ball that we call a president. My friends have been mirroring what I think.... 2010 you're fucked dem's in office.
Xenite227 2 years ago
@Xenite227 If it's between the current Democrats and current Republicans I still urge you to vote democrat. The Dems might make unnecessary concessions and not push for things nearly as hard as they should but between weaklings and corporate shills I think you'd be better off with the weaklings.
Sardonac 2 years ago
rather have a retard with balls that a genius pansy voted for obama and very disappointed rather be with bush again and at least have a good laugh
arga400 2 years ago
I feel sorry for you.
Sardonac 2 years ago
@Sardonac No, vote for someone who actually has a brain and spine that you agree with. Too bad I'm not a corporate rich brat, and not old enough to run, guarantee I'd raise all hell.
LightSlei 2 years ago
The point is that nobody has both a brain and a spine. Between the two, I'd prefer the brain to a neocon spine.
Sardonac 2 years ago
Why did the Left have to concede SO MUCH from the Right? WHY? Isn't that the whole POINT of having a majority?!?! Geez!
Guernicaman 2 years ago
I hate to say it, I consider myself leftleaning, but I call it like it is. Their weak.
geocat 2 years ago
Because they're pussies.
I really wish it wasn't that simple. I would hope for a complex and nuanced reasoning behind their actions but there isn't; they're PUSSIES, end of story.
Capng123 2 years ago
A slightly more accurate analogy of the private health insurance mandate might be you're forced to pay for either a Mercedes or a BMW, but what you get is a lemon.
OccamsView 2 years ago
I now feel guilty for playing World of Warcraft while watching this clip :p
koren1124 2 years ago
A mandate to buy overpriced inefficient health insurance. hooray??...
sunwing28 2 years ago
And kudos for the car analogy, Cenk, I've used that one in private before many times.
dEdGrimley 2 years ago
I think a major problem that the Democrats have is that they seem to refuse to want to play TOO dirty. And bullshit like saying, "Is there a bigger group of crybabies than (insert opposition)?" is dirty fighting. Dems slip a bit in here and there, but the GOP fights DIRTY. If you deny that "Death Panels" and "Obama is a Muslim" and "Obama was born in Kenya" isn't fighting dirty? BS.
dEdGrimley 2 years ago
I don't like that World of Warcraft reference. I play WoW and I'm not dumb. I watch all your videos everyday :P
mmmmk.. Cenk?
Zackeizer96 2 years ago
Yeah that was a mean jab. :(
Gleeful31 2 years ago
The Dems should be thanking the flying spaghetti monster that Howard Dean etc were so vocal. Because unless the people who's votes aren't set in stone didn't hear the opposition to this bill, then they'd be totally screwed.
At least now people know that liberal and progressive isn't tied to this bill.
Myschly 2 years ago
Could Obama pose his veto on that emasculated bill and send back those politician girlies do their homework?
jimalbi 2 years ago
obamas blood is weak sauce havent heard a peep from him
fu3ar25 2 years ago
mika brazinzki is a waste of flesh. the only reason she got to open her mouth is because joe dick wasnt around for her to suck. i fuckin hate her.
MpowerdAPE 2 years ago
Mabe you can make a private insurance company Cenk? make your own rules that is good and when it's big enaug you merge it with the state. :)
freshhug 2 years ago
All I know is this.
In my state, when a madate was made that declared all new drivers had to go to driving school before they could even try to get a license, ALL of the driving schools doubled their prices.
sc0pl355 2 years ago 5
And, throughout the country, when big businesses were required by law to provide health insurance, health insurance companies doubled their prices.
That law, by the way, was lobbied for by insurance companies. We Americans are such fucking sheep. I don't think we evolved from apes, I think we evolved from sheep.
TheGiantRobot 2 years ago
Republicans got what they prayed for: a worst situation to blame Obama for and even more money from the insurance companies for themselves...
jimalbi 2 years ago 2