unfortunatly i don't own tiger! it was the first compuzer os i worked with! Then i was so afraid to get a macw because i liked this chrome lool in the windows! Then i got it and BOOM Dark Snow Leopard Windows ! I also think that tiger wold run smoother on my PBG4 because it was it's original system ! Does anyone have on Install DVD or Image left ?
What kind of mac are you using there, PPC or Intel? I have a mac mini with leopard but the only thing it awful is streaming videos to it, like youtube or megavideo etc. I blame Flash for that but still. It is a nice computer with 1gb ram. An equal pc with those features can perform much better in that sense. I do not understand it. Is it because Flash is not intended to be used on macs at all...My Macbook Pro gets really hot when playing too much videos and it is by far a much better machine.
That Quick Time Minimize preview issue is also happened in my brand new MacBook Pro 2010... Why the hell did Apple drop this feature? I was shocked when I realized that feature didn't work anymore in Snow leopard....
Buy a new Mac. Every new system is going to be heavier than the old version, that means you'll need more RAM, HD Rmp Speed & a good CPU. Tiger is not that fast with an intel computer, just look at the spotlight search is so slow.
Video playback when a video is minimised does not work on Snow Leopard, I think it is due to the 10.5/10.6 Dock being 3D, & you can gain back 2GB lost by Leopard/Snow Leopard by installing it your self and using the customisation options during the install, like removing additional languages & printer drives, and AirPort issues are something you will have to get used to as not every piece of hardware in a computer is not going to work exactly as you expect it should. Humans Make Computers!
Snow Leopard Brought back the Snappiness to my Late 06 Core 2 Duo iMac, and it gave me back lots of Disc space. You already have Leopard, doesn't hurt to spend $30 and try out the Snow Leopard.
I have my Leopard Installation disc but I have managed installing a clean copy of Snow Leopard with no problem at all with that $30 Upgrade disc. And thats without have Leopard Installed first.
The airport issue is simply a DNS problem.. manually ad a DNS server. Tiger lacks multiple desktops and a ton of other features. Leopard is perfectly stable (as of snow leopard anyway).
Tiger has lost support. I have a macbook, I can tell you after 10.5.6 the problem was fixed. Reinstall leopard and the update. Then buy snow leopard and get 6 GB of space back. The quicktime feature has returned in snow leopard.
and snow leopard is going to be much better with everything this video represents about going back to tiger. including a completely smaller footprint.
I do agree with you. I think Leopard is great. But Tiger was really good. Although I feel that my MacBook Pro became better with Leopard. RAM usuage is more efficient in Leopard on Intel macs. At least that's my experience.
But there is also a lot of other bugs in Leopard. And some features felt unfinished. The Stacks feature is one example.
boy you bring up some great points as in mobile vs mac. To be frank mobile as in ipods to iphone essentially saved apple back in the day, but I constantly worry about the improvement or attention mobile gets vs mac (os x)
great video, i had the same issues with the airport. Tiger runs my server and mac mini PVR, it is heavier but it has to be if Apple wants to move everyone 64 bit vs the other route of making a separate OS. I have sleep issues with leopard vs Tiger in that waking up, sometimes never happens in leopard. I hope snow leopard has a good game.
2 gigs is worth it for the new features, video in the dock is not worth it. When i had 10.5.0, it was buggy but still great and it been perfected. Tiger was the best at the time but now leopard is the new king.
I wanted to downgrade to Tiger, but I can't. My Mac came with Mac OS X 10.4.10 pre-installed, but it had the Leopard DVDs. The reason why I can't is because, for some odd reason, you can't put a version of OS X prior to the one that came pre-installed on your Mac and versions of Mac OS X prior to 10.4.4 don't support Intel Processors. I'm kinda mad, but I'll just upgrade to Snow Leopard now. Leopard uses too many resources.
I could not imagine going back to tiger, i have leopard 10.5.5 and im loving it. When I installed it, it was leopard 10.5.1, that was terrible, but they really fixed it up with the updates. Assuming you have DESENT specs, Leopard is better than tiger now. As for the taking up 2Gb more for installation and 200Mb more on the updates, if you can't afford to waste so little space, you should consider getting a better hard drive.
I agree completely with the airport signal, at first I thought it was my Airport Extreme Base but no, it happened on a different network.
Though one thing I have noticed that is worring me a lot is when I back up to time machine, I do it wirelessly I am using about 2.0GB of space on disk a day. Which, for me, is a lot. More than Im using. I dont know if this is the OS or not but I need t fix it.
I think Apple is having issues supporting older hardware with machines that were upgraded with Leopard because my old Yonah MacBook was frought with these Airport issues. When I got my new Penryn MacBook, the Airport works flawlessly, like it should and to me it seems like Apple simply did not have enough engineers to support all the projects they had going on at the time.
It's not an argument, it's a matter of fact, and I mentioned it to point out that Apple still has some power management issues to work through in order to make the system shut down more smoothly.
To be honest, is 2 seconds really that important? I can see the WIFI complain, because that is annoying, but honestly, Leopard is new, and I'm sure most of the company's resources are being diverted into telecom, but hey, sacrifices must be made, you can't be everything to everyone...
Leopard take almost twice as long as Tiger to start up and as someone who like to turn off and not sleep the computer, it's the extra time to boot up is important to me. The WiFi dropouts have caused me to lose video chats and some file transfers. The wireless dropped out on me again as I was using 10.5.4 to make another video for YouTube. Leopard works fine on my Mac mini which is connected to my router via ethernet.
i see no difference in speed at all. Leopard is faster at booting on my mac mini than tiger was. My Macbook is the newer macbook and can't run tiger as it has the x3100 graphics leopards fine on it
I made a video showing the difference in boot times. It's called Leopard vs Tiger - Startup Time. If you have a PowerPC Mac mini then I am no surprised to find out that the boot process might take longer. If your Mac mini has an Intel CPU then maybe you have mor kernel extensions or some weird programs loading at start up which might delay boot times. I'm not a hater on Leopard, but as I said it just didn't work out for me. Peace.
3 of them - that's pretty sick. I think the Macs which had Leopard pre-installed run Leopard a little more smoothly. 2 of my friends have the Al iMac running Leopard and they're very pleased with it. I just think with my 1st gen MacBook, Apple had to rush writing the drivers (such as WiFi) because Leopard needed to support so many different Macs out of the gate (iBook G4, G5 iMac, MacBook, Mac Pro, etc.) Enjoy your time with Leopard. Peace.
Hi, I have a powerbook G4 with tiger but I'm planning to switch to leopard. If I upgrade am I going enjoy the leopard os or will I stay with my tiger? Pls help thank you.
I think overall you'll like Leopard - it's a really nice OS, but is it worth $129 maybe not. If you were updating from Panther to Leopard then yes it is definitely worth it. Going from Tiger to Leopard, really it only felt like an $80 upgrade and it really is up to you to decide if you want to spend the $129 on a newer version of the OS if everything is already working. I'm not against Leopard, but going from Tiger I don't think it made that much of a difference to warrant the cost of upgrading.
I have a sinking feeling that the way forward in Steve Jobs mind is definitely the smaller hand portable design (Currently IPhone), and we will see more effort and resources going into the IPhone (or something similar) over the next 5 years which could leave OSX users a little shafted
Are you freaking serious? A difference of 2GB in hard drive space, and 5 seconds in shutdown time? Who the hell cares. I still respect you though, I just think you went wrong on this video, while usually I think your right.
Not everyone can afford to buy new hard drives and in the case of a 64 GB SSD MacBook Air, every gigabyte counts! If you've ever booted your machine in verbose mode, you'll see there are some rather ugly hacks going on just to make the OS stick together. 10.5.3 went a long way to properly patch the code, but it's apparent that there are still some issues going on that need to be resolved. People whose systems are freezing at shutdown are the ones who might care.
Hopefully Snow Leopard will address the issues you are experiencing with 10.5 ;-)
I had some wifi issues in Leopard, but that was before I bought a new wireless router (The old one was like 4 years old).. I haven't had a single dropout since then..
But it's not fair that you may have to buy a new router to get wifi stability in a new OS though...
I *highly* doubt that a new router will fix the issue. As I said I still think this is a driver issue related to Leopard. In Leopard the WiFi would drop out every single day at random intervals. It was ridiculous. In Tiger I have not experienced 1 drop out and the only thing that's changed is the OS. Apple needs to solidify Leopard before they even think about charging everyone another $129 for Snow Leopard. $258 for 2 operating systems in less than 2 years is kind of ridiculous IMHO.
Yeah, you're right, they should take a look at the driver issues. I hope they doesn't charge 10.5 owners for Snow Leopard, because Snow Leopard is really just Leopard with enhanced stability and performance, not a whole new OS.
I heard that they wont be charging users for 10.6 if they currently have 10.5 installed on an intel based mac. But if you were to have 10.4 you would have to buy 10.6. Intel based macs will only be usable with 10.6.
Where did you hear this information? I would like to see this report for myself because if this is true then that might push me to put Leopard back on my system.
Pretty much all the reasons stated in the beginning of this video (shoddy WiFi drivers and boot time). If you check out my video Going back to Tiger I give a more thorough explanation of my reasons.
The apps I use most often are pretty basic (FireFox, iTunes, QuickTime). If I'm coding it's either in Eclipse or emacs and it's pretty challenging to make a Java based IDE sexy enough to put onto YouTube. Good thought, however.
Are you talking about AirPort Utility 5.3.2 for Leopard released on 6/11/08? That update does not address the drivers issues built into the operating system. When I'm talking about Airport I'm actually referring to the 802.11g drivers built into the OS that allow my MacBook to use its wireless card. The update you're referring to only updates the configuration utility to access Apple branded base stations and has nothing to do with the drivers I'm talking about. I should have been more clear.
the early version of mac os x have problems but updates do fix them
TheTechGuys8 5 months ago
unfortunatly i don't own tiger! it was the first compuzer os i worked with! Then i was so afraid to get a macw because i liked this chrome lool in the windows! Then i got it and BOOM Dark Snow Leopard Windows ! I also think that tiger wold run smoother on my PBG4 because it was it's original system ! Does anyone have on Install DVD or Image left ?
applefreak441 5 months ago
So on my powermac g5 i should use tiger?
iover9000 7 months ago
What kind of mac are you using there, PPC or Intel? I have a mac mini with leopard but the only thing it awful is streaming videos to it, like youtube or megavideo etc. I blame Flash for that but still. It is a nice computer with 1gb ram. An equal pc with those features can perform much better in that sense. I do not understand it. Is it because Flash is not intended to be used on macs at all...My Macbook Pro gets really hot when playing too much videos and it is by far a much better machine.
dfuentes80 7 months ago
I agree that Tiger is much more optimized than Leopard. But seriously thats quite a bit of whining u got.
pitashen 10 months ago
When is Mac OSX Lion coming
I want to say its in april
fatestkoopa 11 months ago
That Quick Time Minimize preview issue is also happened in my brand new MacBook Pro 2010... Why the hell did Apple drop this feature? I was shocked when I realized that feature didn't work anymore in Snow leopard....
aryatololHTF 1 year ago
what macbook did you have?
mickyd110011 1 year ago
Buy a new Mac. Every new system is going to be heavier than the old version, that means you'll need more RAM, HD Rmp Speed & a good CPU. Tiger is not that fast with an intel computer, just look at the spotlight search is so slow.
GarabatoxTut 1 year ago
Video playback when a video is minimised does not work on Snow Leopard, I think it is due to the 10.5/10.6 Dock being 3D, & you can gain back 2GB lost by Leopard/Snow Leopard by installing it your self and using the customisation options during the install, like removing additional languages & printer drives, and AirPort issues are something you will have to get used to as not every piece of hardware in a computer is not going to work exactly as you expect it should. Humans Make Computers!
HBeagley 1 year ago
Dude, 2gb, who gives a shit that's TINY amount of memory that's just the size of about 2 movies. Tiger has a horrible interface.
TheEmoMunk 1 year ago
Tiger is better and faster 10.5
X5abeerX 1 year ago
How to change leopard to Tiger
X5abeerX 1 year ago
Weird. I never had that issue. And as soon as Snow Leopard came out - it improved everything :)
bathellfire 2 years ago
The main thing that i miss fromt iger is the 2D dock. I mean yeah, theres a 2D dock on leopard/snowleopard but they dont look half as nice :/
lordofthespoons123 2 years ago
Snow Leopard Brought back the Snappiness to my Late 06 Core 2 Duo iMac, and it gave me back lots of Disc space. You already have Leopard, doesn't hurt to spend $30 and try out the Snow Leopard.
I have my Leopard Installation disc but I have managed installing a clean copy of Snow Leopard with no problem at all with that $30 Upgrade disc. And thats without have Leopard Installed first.
pokeeto2 2 years ago
I would switch to Tiger but i want to keep using xcode :) iPhone dev is fun!
intrus012 2 years ago
The airport issue is simply a DNS problem.. manually ad a DNS server. Tiger lacks multiple desktops and a ton of other features. Leopard is perfectly stable (as of snow leopard anyway).
helipilot727 2 years ago
Tiger has lost support. I have a macbook, I can tell you after 10.5.6 the problem was fixed. Reinstall leopard and the update. Then buy snow leopard and get 6 GB of space back. The quicktime feature has returned in snow leopard.
Bleich95 2 years ago 2
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apple sucks. pcs dont. end of story
Mattisbehindyou 2 years ago
you know nothing about computers, end of story.
helipilot727 2 years ago 5
you know nothing oflife and computers, i do, end of story.
Mattisbehindyou 2 years ago
too bad the live dock preview is still broken, even in the latest release of 10.5.8
seansfilms 2 years ago
tiger looks nicer, but with snow leopard, running Tiger will be the same as still running XP with 7 coming
Lightfoot221 2 years ago 2
The difference in space is due to the fact that Tiger was platform specific (PPC or Intel) whereas Leopard is Universal.
cjmillsnun 2 years ago 5
and snow leopard is going to be much better with everything this video represents about going back to tiger. including a completely smaller footprint.
YUPnNOPE 2 years ago
i like leopard much better
ninja9899cp 2 years ago 2
i drive mac os tiger in parallels on my leopard mac
magnustabell 2 years ago
I do agree with you. I think Leopard is great. But Tiger was really good. Although I feel that my MacBook Pro became better with Leopard. RAM usuage is more efficient in Leopard on Intel macs. At least that's my experience.
But there is also a lot of other bugs in Leopard. And some features felt unfinished. The Stacks feature is one example.
Hjelmen87 2 years ago
WTF leopard is better and faster
bmxbike525 2 years ago
boy you bring up some great points as in mobile vs mac. To be frank mobile as in ipods to iphone essentially saved apple back in the day, but I constantly worry about the improvement or attention mobile gets vs mac (os x)
mrbit10 2 years ago
great video, i had the same issues with the airport. Tiger runs my server and mac mini PVR, it is heavier but it has to be if Apple wants to move everyone 64 bit vs the other route of making a separate OS. I have sleep issues with leopard vs Tiger in that waking up, sometimes never happens in leopard. I hope snow leopard has a good game.
mrbit10 2 years ago
I'm using Leopard right now becouse it came with my new MAC. Waiting for Snow Leopard :)
TiLeNpWneD 3 years ago 2
thats.. THATS LIKE LINUX omg im going to remove tiger from my new mac mini and install XP or leo
roxasnobody9 3 years ago
wtf?
lordofthespoons123 2 years ago
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CiniCraft 3 years ago
are you using the macbook with the x3100 Graphics?
Lacrymosa46 3 years ago
Well, get ready to use Snow Leopard...it's coming soon
Crazymoe102 3 years ago
summer.
chinchilla2302 3 years ago
The beta's been out for a little while now. It should be coming in a few months. (May, June)
Crazymoe102 3 years ago
2 gigs is worth it for the new features, video in the dock is not worth it. When i had 10.5.0, it was buggy but still great and it been perfected. Tiger was the best at the time but now leopard is the new king.
ibpointless2 3 years ago
I downgraded to Tiger. It's a whole lot faster and stable. Plus I just love the gui and dock.
thatoneguy158 3 years ago
I wanted to downgrade to Tiger, but I can't. My Mac came with Mac OS X 10.4.10 pre-installed, but it had the Leopard DVDs. The reason why I can't is because, for some odd reason, you can't put a version of OS X prior to the one that came pre-installed on your Mac and versions of Mac OS X prior to 10.4.4 don't support Intel Processors. I'm kinda mad, but I'll just upgrade to Snow Leopard now. Leopard uses too many resources.
Atheismrulez 3 years ago
I could not imagine going back to tiger, i have leopard 10.5.5 and im loving it. When I installed it, it was leopard 10.5.1, that was terrible, but they really fixed it up with the updates. Assuming you have DESENT specs, Leopard is better than tiger now. As for the taking up 2Gb more for installation and 200Mb more on the updates, if you can't afford to waste so little space, you should consider getting a better hard drive.
yiyopr1 3 years ago
damn the iphone!
maxval54 3 years ago
I agree completely with the airport signal, at first I thought it was my Airport Extreme Base but no, it happened on a different network.
Though one thing I have noticed that is worring me a lot is when I back up to time machine, I do it wirelessly I am using about 2.0GB of space on disk a day. Which, for me, is a lot. More than Im using. I dont know if this is the OS or not but I need t fix it.
mclaurin10 3 years ago
I think Apple is having issues supporting older hardware with machines that were upgraded with Leopard because my old Yonah MacBook was frought with these Airport issues. When I got my new Penryn MacBook, the Airport works flawlessly, like it should and to me it seems like Apple simply did not have enough engineers to support all the projects they had going on at the time.
dell1032 3 years ago
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lorikzzz 3 years ago
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"turning off my system in leapord takes about... 2 or 3 seconds longer..."
dude... thats not even a good argument
wmwm69 3 years ago
It's not an argument, it's a matter of fact, and I mentioned it to point out that Apple still has some power management issues to work through in order to make the system shut down more smoothly.
dell1032 3 years ago
idk i still like leopard i cant go back to tiger at all
nich225 3 years ago
Are you using IshowU?
Dimitry1996 3 years ago
Yes I am.
dell1032 3 years ago
do you have a tiger dock.app file handy? i hate the leopard dock and i like the tiger one. aolt better.
Lacrymosa46 3 years ago
I rather use tiger than leopard. But I am going to switch to leopard in a month.
WindowsProMan 3 years ago
To be honest, is 2 seconds really that important? I can see the WIFI complain, because that is annoying, but honestly, Leopard is new, and I'm sure most of the company's resources are being diverted into telecom, but hey, sacrifices must be made, you can't be everything to everyone...
Er3s 3 years ago
Leopard take almost twice as long as Tiger to start up and as someone who like to turn off and not sleep the computer, it's the extra time to boot up is important to me. The WiFi dropouts have caused me to lose video chats and some file transfers. The wireless dropped out on me again as I was using 10.5.4 to make another video for YouTube. Leopard works fine on my Mac mini which is connected to my router via ethernet.
dell1032 3 years ago
i see no difference in speed at all. Leopard is faster at booting on my mac mini than tiger was. My Macbook is the newer macbook and can't run tiger as it has the x3100 graphics leopards fine on it
macnerd93 3 years ago
I made a video showing the difference in boot times. It's called Leopard vs Tiger - Startup Time. If you have a PowerPC Mac mini then I am no surprised to find out that the boot process might take longer. If your Mac mini has an Intel CPU then maybe you have mor kernel extensions or some weird programs loading at start up which might delay boot times. I'm not a hater on Leopard, but as I said it just didn't work out for me. Peace.
dell1032 3 years ago
it has intel core 2 duo its the latest mac mini. I have 3 of them.
macnerd93 3 years ago
3 of them - that's pretty sick. I think the Macs which had Leopard pre-installed run Leopard a little more smoothly. 2 of my friends have the Al iMac running Leopard and they're very pleased with it. I just think with my 1st gen MacBook, Apple had to rush writing the drivers (such as WiFi) because Leopard needed to support so many different Macs out of the gate (iBook G4, G5 iMac, MacBook, Mac Pro, etc.) Enjoy your time with Leopard. Peace.
dell1032 3 years ago
Hi, I have a powerbook G4 with tiger but I'm planning to switch to leopard. If I upgrade am I going enjoy the leopard os or will I stay with my tiger? Pls help thank you.
denverrak 3 years ago
I think overall you'll like Leopard - it's a really nice OS, but is it worth $129 maybe not. If you were updating from Panther to Leopard then yes it is definitely worth it. Going from Tiger to Leopard, really it only felt like an $80 upgrade and it really is up to you to decide if you want to spend the $129 on a newer version of the OS if everything is already working. I'm not against Leopard, but going from Tiger I don't think it made that much of a difference to warrant the cost of upgrading.
dell1032 3 years ago
I was wondering do you use Dashboard?
eaglelover96 3 years ago
Rarely and when I do the only widget I use is the unit converter.
dell1032 3 years ago
I have a sinking feeling that the way forward in Steve Jobs mind is definitely the smaller hand portable design (Currently IPhone), and we will see more effort and resources going into the IPhone (or something similar) over the next 5 years which could leave OSX users a little shafted
danielson19uk 3 years ago
Are you freaking serious? A difference of 2GB in hard drive space, and 5 seconds in shutdown time? Who the hell cares. I still respect you though, I just think you went wrong on this video, while usually I think your right.
viciousdave119 3 years ago
Not everyone can afford to buy new hard drives and in the case of a 64 GB SSD MacBook Air, every gigabyte counts! If you've ever booted your machine in verbose mode, you'll see there are some rather ugly hacks going on just to make the OS stick together. 10.5.3 went a long way to properly patch the code, but it's apparent that there are still some issues going on that need to be resolved. People whose systems are freezing at shutdown are the ones who might care.
dell1032 3 years ago
Do you know where I can get a Tiger restore disk for my August '07 iMac? I hate bad animation frame-rates...
carlheanerd 3 years ago
Try either your local Apple Store or give AppleCare a call. You should still be in warranty so I don't see why it would be an issue.
dell1032 3 years ago
Hopefully Snow Leopard will address the issues you are experiencing with 10.5 ;-)
I had some wifi issues in Leopard, but that was before I bought a new wireless router (The old one was like 4 years old).. I haven't had a single dropout since then..
But it's not fair that you may have to buy a new router to get wifi stability in a new OS though...
Chr1573r 3 years ago
I *highly* doubt that a new router will fix the issue. As I said I still think this is a driver issue related to Leopard. In Leopard the WiFi would drop out every single day at random intervals. It was ridiculous. In Tiger I have not experienced 1 drop out and the only thing that's changed is the OS. Apple needs to solidify Leopard before they even think about charging everyone another $129 for Snow Leopard. $258 for 2 operating systems in less than 2 years is kind of ridiculous IMHO.
dell1032 3 years ago
Yeah, you're right, they should take a look at the driver issues. I hope they doesn't charge 10.5 owners for Snow Leopard, because Snow Leopard is really just Leopard with enhanced stability and performance, not a whole new OS.
Chr1573r 3 years ago
I heard that they wont be charging users for 10.6 if they currently have 10.5 installed on an intel based mac. But if you were to have 10.4 you would have to buy 10.6. Intel based macs will only be usable with 10.6.
brian3393 3 years ago
Where did you hear this information? I would like to see this report for myself because if this is true then that might push me to put Leopard back on my system.
dell1032 3 years ago
Hmm, weird... I'm on Tiger right now and I'm planning to upgrade to Leopard. What made you switch back?
ayrevortex 3 years ago
Pretty much all the reasons stated in the beginning of this video (shoddy WiFi drivers and boot time). If you check out my video Going back to Tiger I give a more thorough explanation of my reasons.
dell1032 3 years ago
Weird... How many years old is this machine?
ayrevortex 3 years ago
Less than 2 years old. 1st generation Core Duo MacBook.
dell1032 3 years ago
Hmm... Hopefully I won't encounter that when I upgrade my macbook (1 year old now) to Leopard.
ayrevortex 3 years ago
Can you give a tour of your apps? Just a thought.
swatfly1 3 years ago
The apps I use most often are pretty basic (FireFox, iTunes, QuickTime). If I'm coding it's either in Eclipse or emacs and it's pretty challenging to make a Java based IDE sexy enough to put onto YouTube. Good thought, however.
dell1032 3 years ago
Apple actually released an airport update a few days ago for leopard.....this possibly could have fixed your problem.
srod712 3 years ago
Are you talking about AirPort Utility 5.3.2 for Leopard released on 6/11/08? That update does not address the drivers issues built into the operating system. When I'm talking about Airport I'm actually referring to the 802.11g drivers built into the OS that allow my MacBook to use its wireless card. The update you're referring to only updates the configuration utility to access Apple branded base stations and has nothing to do with the drivers I'm talking about. I should have been more clear.
dell1032 3 years ago
i respect your opinion but i still like leopard tons better
xFYCNxcps22 3 years ago