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  • This is absolutely disgusting logic, based on many misunderstandings. Empathetically treating others as you would have others treat you, is the basis of our modern social moral framework. No wonder the US is full of the ignorantly religious. Wake up United States. You are honestly telling me you wouldn't take care of a sick or injured child because they did not have the money? Disgusting.

  • @scathenc1 That is called charity, which is voluntary. Forcing me to pay is called tyranny. Nothing disgusting about that logic at all. We can take it a step further, should person A who lives healthy and makes good decisions about their health be forced to pay for someone that drinks heavilly, smokes, uses intravenous drugs, and eats nothing but junk food?

  • @desertdog7171

    This works under the false assumption that humans have free will and are all born equally. If you are in a better situation than another human, you should help them, not push an ignorance based on an incorrect world view, that you somehow "chose" more wisely than they did. You are a product of your genes and environment, so hopefully my words (which also have the same origins) persuade you to adopt a perspective about humanity which helps us all to improve.

  • We are right they are wrong..go get em Andrew

  • Let's see this little bitch say that if he lost a limb.

    Idiots like Wilkow are why we have the worst health care system in the world.

  • @MsZeitgeist85 Ask those waiting in line for months and even years for routine medical procedures in Canada or Europe how bad it is here. Instead of calling names, why don't you argue actual facts?

  • @kndrice99 In case you didn't know the USA has the worst rationing in the world for health care. If a for profit insurance company decides you cost too much money then you are not covered. That is why thousands die every year in the US from lack of coverage.

    The fact is that sometimes people have to wait for non urgent care in those countrys. If you have a health issue that is urgent you go ahead of people with non urgent care and those countrys still out perform the USA with wait times.

  • @peterhegemon

    Religion is not Government hasn't the ACLU drilled that into you yet?

  • As always, a brainwashed fool gets demolished by Andrew Wilkow.

    Andrew Wilkow: Never has been defeated, never will be defeated. But I love watching brainwashed fools try, as it brings me joy and sorrow at the same time. Joy at hearing Wilkow defeat them with ease, sorrow that somebody so stupid exists...

  • @peterhegemon

    Bringing scripture into an argument like this is moronic. There's a difference between doing something out of the goodness of your heart and doing it because you'll get thrown in jail if you don't. Your attempt at justifying socialism through religion is laughable.

  • He is spot on.

    

  • I -3 this. Perfectly executed political analysis

  • Wilkow is great.

  • haha your logic is flawed

    you absolutely owe me healthcare

    and i absolutely owe you healthcare

    fucking help people and be generous.

  • "You seem like a pretty smart guy, follow along." I love when he toys with them like that.

  • Viva la Revolucion

    ! 

  • Wilkow is the man.

  • Workers of the world, unite!

  • @TheKittengoddess shut up, get a life, you are brain-dead just as Andrew says

  • @AroundSun And you're a big fat cow. AroundSun isn't your name, it's directions on how to get food to your face.

  • @AroundSun Soon we will have the DREAM act and reparations. Social justice is on the way.

  • @TheKittengoddess Reparations hahaha. Who is we? What are you talking about, slavery? Bahahaha reparations LOL. What makes you think a president is going to make your life better or change everything. You must believe in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.

  • @AroundSun lololol You're big and fat and the government is going to take all your money and give it to people on welfare and you won't be able to catch them because you eat too much McDonald's.

  • How come those who pay the most in taxes get the least from government?

  • @snobak1 Actually, if you are referring to the wealthy, they got that way because of tax breaks. The money they took from those breaks, they invested overseas.

  • @TheKittengoddess Oh!cuts that cut the taxes that never should have existed to begin with. those overseas investments drove down prices for you moron. it amazes me how people still think that the "tax cuts" were like some sort of a privilege or that the government could have spent their money more efficiently somehow. when you cut taxes, especially taxes that shouldnt have existed(slamming businesses), you broaden the base bringing in more revenue. Obama doesn't want to acknowledge that

  • @AroundSun Drove down the prices on what? Dollar store crap I don't buy to begin with? All the tax cuts did was put money back into the pockets of CEO's and send jobs overseas. You're a jackass.

  • @TheKittengoddess Oh yes, once again. The greedy CEO's and the morality of outsourcing. What would the government do with all that extra money? Give it to people who don't deserve it? The only thing that eliminate poverty is wealth, and the people who create wealth eliminate poverty. No society has ever succeeded by taxing the shit out of the rich. Businesses don't pay taxes only people can pay taxes. I guess you are in favor of trickle up poverty huh? Who is the jackass?

  • @AroundSun Healthcare is not welfare. The rich didn't become wealthy on their own. You don't get that rich without help from both the government and from other people. Taxing them is bringing balance by making them give back some of what they took, and keep taking from the government in the first place.

  • @TheKittengoddess People like you should be shot. End of story. Take back what they took? Listen to yourself. Try going down to the deli after you bought a sandwich, then demand you be able to take back what THEY took. You didnt exchange money for goods and services right? Noo, they TOOK it from you. You must be very young and very very stupid., I suggest you invest in some education before ever speaking about economics ever again.

  • @AroundSun People like you should just die out like the dinosaurs you are, you fucktard piece of shit. You're missing my point. I suggest you get any kind of education at all before you attempt to use the internet for anything other than porn. You stupid piece of shit, a sandwich is not what I'm talking about. Building a business off of the backs of workers using government grants is.

  • @TheKittengoddess That is corporatism not capitalism, and workers only contribute labor not capital to a business. Meaning when the business fails, the entrepreneur loses money not the worker. All they lose is a job that they voluntarily accepted. They put down zero capital investment. anymore stupid questions 7th grader?

  • @AroundSun I can tell you right now that the small businesses are just as guilty on every count that the corporations are, you traitorous scum. I hope Uncle Sam turns you upsidown and shakes you until every nickel you are hiding falls out.

  • @TheKittengoddess guilty of what? you tell me? hahaha! stupid liberal, as usual. thinking big government cares about you or could ever help.

  • @AroundSun And I think we should start with you. I think maybe we should make you start paying your fair share since you have such treasonous remarks, it's obvious you are guilty of tax evasion. Pay your share and then some from all the other years you seem to be guilty of skipping out on. I think an audit is in order.

  • @TheKittengoddess THere is no share. I don't owe anyone anything. Rich people already pay the highest percentage of tax in the country little girl to support people who pay no taxes like you. Drains on society like you make me sick. You will always be dependent on the government and poor with your liberal mindset.

  • @AroundSun You are a traitor.

  • @AroundSun Soon the people will be in charge and when they are, kiss your tax shelter goodby.

  • @TheKittengoddess Sorry, the politicians will never work for the people. Haha. And even if they raised my taxes, what, you think they're going to give it to you? Please little girl. Go joing a collectivist hive somewhere and live off the land. Stop mooching off the rest of us.

  • @AroundSun Health care is not welfare. I doubt you understand that with your 5th grade education. No, politicians don't work for me. That's why there are unions.

  • @TheKittengoddess Unions are organized monopolies, legalized mafias. Unions make sure people get paid even when there is no demand for their labor and they dont work. Unions ruin our society. So do retarded liberals like you. I am sick of socialists like you taking and taking. You dont produce do you? Didnt think so. Thats why socialism is popular, because you are lazy fucks.

  • @AroundSun Too bad because we're here and soon the entire country will be and people like you will be in the fat camps with no salt or McDonald's.

  • @AroundSun Unions are AWESOME!!!

  • @TheKittengoddess Then don't bitch when large corporations get together and make everything you need to survive the same price. You must be for monopolies.

  • @AroundSun You don't know shit.

  • @TheKittengoddess Aren't you glad to hear that your messiah Obama took the side of the GOP and extended tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans again? Ahh, capitalism is great, and so are tax cuts!! Obama doesn't care about you. The democrats you put faith in are bought and sold like everyone else. I dont eat McDonalds thats poor people food. I am glad to see how ignorant and moronic you are supporting welfare and socialism. You are a leech just like the rest of the waste in this country.

  • @AroundSun You eat McDonald's and you know it. You can't get enough of the McRib. Maybe all that fat around your heart will bring the rest of us an early Xmas present.

  • @TheKittengoddess No it would just be for my family not for lazy scum such as yourself. Keep calling me fat though, maybe that will get Obama to give you someone else's money so you can spend it for a few years and then have prices rise due to higher taxes because you mooches wanted free money. Then you wind up exactly where you started at, just aged a few years, and still broke. The problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of someone else's money.

  • @AroundSun lololololol! Fatso.

  • @AroundSun Is there an ugly tax, too? Cough up the money or be brought up on treason charges against the NWO!

  • @AroundSun Hey, I don't have any problem spending your money and when you have no more, we the people will take your house.

  • @TheKittengoddess Nope. This isn't a democracy just to let you know dumbass. You are not actually going to get any money to spend. You aren't going to get shit. And the banks are just going to keep raising your interest rates not matter what OWE BAMA says. Your messiah is a failure and doesn't care about you dont you get it. Name one good thing he has ever done for you. You people are so ignorant to the facts that he will not make your life any better at all. Hes a politician LMAO

  • @AroundSun One good thing: he stopped the republican from winning the presidency thus stopping Sarah Palin from having any power. Oh, I don't pay any interest rates on anything.

  • @TheKittengoddess your still talking

  • @AroundSun And you're still reading. Amazing you can do that in the first place. I hear the McRib is coming to your town. Better go get a few dozen.

  • @AroundSun When I was going to college I stayed away from credit card offers and I own what I have. Nope. No interest rates for me.

  • @AroundSun Where you are going, you won't need it anyway.

  • @AroundSun You're going to the FEMA fat camp.

  • I think he should have finished with "If I am in debt to you simply because you exist, I would rather that you didn't"

    I think I love this guy.

  • What a dumb ass. Who gave this guy a microphone?

  • @TheKittengoddess try opening your eyes and smell the coffee dumbass

  • @snobak1 Your god is a dipshit.

  • @TheKittengoddess aww what is the matter?I expect more from someone who thinks they are an intellect.

    You are so stupid that you did not even understand the comment.

    understand this I pay alot in taxes to government...Let me go down and get food stamps.....wont happen because I make money....Let me go and get subsidised housing..wont happenI make to much money.while those who contribute nothing get all the breaks.

  • @snobak1 You need to pay more in taxes. Cough it up.

  • @TheKittengoddess Nope I think I will take the attitude of the the lazy like you.

    Fuck it you pay for it.

  • @snobak1 No, I won't. Sure, I'll pay what I need to in order to take care of others but I think they will find a way to tax you more. With a traitor attitude like that, there is no doubt in my mind. In fact, I know people who are working on this right now. Taxing you, I mean.

  • @TheKittengoddess This is correct the one's trying to tax us into oblivion are the Democrates and Obama and his policies.

    I challenege you to prove me wrong and look at the laws the ididot Obama wants.Remember Obama is the one that claims the constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

  • @snobak1 I challenge you to prove to me you're not fat and don't need your salt taken away.

  • @TheKittengoddess I laid down the challenge you idioit,just because you are a fat ass liberal idiot has nothing to do with it.

    You are resposible for your own health care,how dare you make ME pay for your lazy dumb ass

  • @snobak1 Oh you will PAY. I want my medical care and I want YOU to pay for it. As soon as that bill takes effect I'm getting pregnant just to have an abortion on your dime.

  • @TheKittengoddess Yayyyyyyyyy good for you.

    Just keep in mind that the new crew that have been voted in are not bound by the previous administration,

    That means that health care for the lazy fat asses is out the door and flushed down the toilet.

    Which means you will pay for your own health care!!!!

  • @snobak1 Don't worry. It's coming. Maybe not with this administration but it WILL be here and when it does you WILL pay for all my abortions and you will pay in Ameros.

  • @TheKittengoddess Yes VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!!!!!! THE CONSERVATIVE REVOLUTION THAT IS!!!!!!!!

    You pay for your own mistakes dumjb cunt

  • @snobak1 Oh no, the liberal progressive revolution is upon you. You are a dinosaur.

  • @TheKittengoddess the Liberal progresive is dead as we know it.

    How does it feel to know that the Obama health care system has just been declared illegal by the constitution.

  • @snobak1 No it hasn't. 2 other judges said it was alright.

  • @TheKittengoddess wrong IT IS NOW CONSTITUITIONALY DEBUNKED AS THE SHIT IT IS AND YOU PAY FOR YOUR SELF YOU LAZY FUCK.

  • @snobak1 The judge wos declared it un-constitutional has money invested in the GOP and is corrupt. It's coming!

  • @TheKittengoddess that judge is one of Obama's robots and he declared it illegal.

  • @snobak1 You're a dipshit. You're probably a X-tian, too. All of you are the same.

  • @snobak1 Get ready to pay for all my abortions!

  • @TheKittengoddess giggles watch as I make you responsible to pay for all your mistakes dumb dumb.

  • @snobak1 Nope, you are going to pay out the ass for all of us and Mexico.

  • @TheKittengoddess Nope now that I REFUSE to work and every one I know refuses to work ,guess what..........there is now no one to pay for for your shit and since we cannot force doctors to do the work under the 13th ammned ment you will have to get a job and pay for it.

    Good work dumbass

  • @snobak1 Yeah, but you WILL work. If not voluntarily, then we will find some nice salt mines for you.

  • @TheKittengoddess Nope fuck it you will pay for me and every thing I do

  • @snobak1 Nope. You will work and be my slave.

  • @TheKittengoddess And you will be fined for saying Merry Xmas. You are such a dumbass.

  • @TheKittengoddess You will be enslaved and do what I say lazy

  • @snobak1 I bet you're a Sarah Palin fan.

  • @TheKittengoddess Actually give me Gov. Christie from N.J.

    Now that is someone who has thier act together and will clean this country up instead of this OneBigAssMistakeAmerica

  • @snobak1 Just don't come to Tuscon.

  • @TheKittengoddess It's ok I have a concealed carry permit so just show up anytime

  • @snobak1 Oh, so that's a threat. I was implying that we don't need anymore fanatical shooters but I see I might be right on the money here.

  • @TheKittengoddess Actually it is my protection from the far left loon that threatened me....... that being YOU!

  • @snobak1 Nope. Don't think so. You're the one who said they had a gun and beckoned me to "show up". I was just making sure you don't go to Arizona and create more bloodshed. You seem like you are an excitable person. Very far right fascist capable of pretty much anything when you get heated up and II wouldn't want anyone else to die down there because of your skewed view of the world. I think maybe I should send your profile into one of Obama's watch lists.

  • @TheKittengoddess Let's see,Firsdt you threaten me not to show up in Arizona after a major tragedy,then

    You get confused with fascism and right wing ,that as any educated person knows is an oxymoron.So it goes to show how uneducated you are and to the extent of HATred you have that you have not recieved an education.

    By the way that shooter was a FAR LEFT loon who got off on reading Hitler & Karl Marx. That is right wing?

  • @snobak1 No I didn't. I was making sure someone as obviously violent and right-winged as you didn't show up to Arizona with your gun blazing. I made no mention of a gun. I just merely mentioned Sarah Palin and Tucson and you immediately said you had a concealed carry permit and beckoned me to "show up anytime". Go back and read it. Nazis are a fascist right-wing fringe group. You don't know your history. So I see your violence stems from your lack of education.

  • @TheKittengoddess have to put you right on something. the nazi party were not a right wing party, they were a nationilist socialist party, hitler had same views as stalin. the neo-nazi's are an extreme right wing group.

  • @paininspain " the neo-nazi's are an extreme right wing group".

    Yes. And?

  • @TheKittengoddess and the nazi party were not a right wing party, they were a socialist party, but with nationistic views, so was putting you right

  • @paininspain Ah. I didn't understand your response. Thank you for clarifying.

  • @TheKittengoddess no worries.

  • @TheKittengoddess You were the one who said do not show up in Arizona which is meant as a threat!

    I never mentioned Sarah Palin that is another lie by you.

    And yes Hitler was a far left loonie as well was Karl Marx,unlike you I am a history major who has sturdied this.You on the other hand have not done 1 bit of research on this and only a fascist would create watch lists

  • @snobak1 Yes, don't go to Arizona. I'd be really afraid if you did as you seem insane enough to do something drastic to someone. I'd hate to see another replay of what happened a few weeks ago. I believe you are the type of person who is fully capable of doing that. You seem imbalanced and much like the other guy, I'm left scratching my head as to who allowed you to have a firearm in the first place. I think you need to be locked up. No, Hitler and the Nazi party were far right conservatives.

  • @TheKittengoddess This message you left shows how injsane the left wing is in this country.

    That people like you can even comprehend the history of leftist like Hitler and how he mirrors the modern Obama administration,keep in mind Hitler had seceret lists just like Obama.

    Unbalanced?you should not treat yourself like that ok,they have medication to treat people like you.

  • @snobak1 You are absolutely insane. How do they let you near a computer?

  • @TheKittengoddess Remember you came attacked me just like the nutball in Arizona

  • @snobak1 No I didn't. You're schizophrenic.

  • @TheKittengoddess Now now now oh ye goddess of mental midgets read back through the messages.

    you are the true beacon for the left wing hypocracy and how they do not understand facist ideas anmd how it applies to them.

  • @snobak1 Nope. You're completely insane and should be locked up before you hurt someone.

  • @TheKittengoddess Awwww whats wrong?To ashamed to admit that you are completely insane and deserve to be locked up in an insane asylum.

  • @snobak1 Your kids are going to get cancer and it is going to put you in the poor house.

  • @TheKittengoddess Nope I will not be in the poor house,because unlike you I preplanned and boiught health insurance out of my own pocket,unilke the lazy fuck dumb cunt you are

  • @snobak1 You need to be on a watch list. You show the tenancies of a terrorist.

  • @snobak1 I've alerted Youtube about you.

  • @TheKittengoddess WOW you are insane,they have medication that can help you with these delutional tendancies,maybe even some shock therapy.Please seek out profesional help with this as it is apparent that you need serious help

  • @TheKittengoddess awwwwww whats wrong?finally figure out that liberalism is constipation of the brain and conservatism is the laxitive?

    Or you just figure out that you are to stupid to learn reality?

  • @TheKittengoddess Brain dead economically illiterate liberal

  • @AroundSun You're gross.

  • @TheKittengoddess Also I have done experiments.I challenged a "homeless" person to fill out a job application and I would buy them anything they wanted on the menu,they just scribled on the application form.

    So the food order was promptly cancelled due to the ignorance of the "homeless" person.

    Point being is that a majority of the "homeless"/Jobless do not wanna work.

  • @snobak1 I doubt you get that close to homeless people. You're full of shit.

  • The unborn don't have a right to life.

  • @IAmTheCthulhu neither do liberals

  • Nobody presents the argument with such simple logic as Wilkow. I would love to see him run for president and take on his opponent in the debates.

  • Having objection to Obama is not racist. The mere fact that some cannot win the debate on the left with their smudged facts and fuzzy math, leads them to the race card issue. This is all they have, and it is boring and has no value. Obama is a Socialist, and he lies, and cheats and steals. The 787B did nothing.

  • I owe you nothing for the mere fact you exist, when you contribute you nothing.

  • I always love how he does the person A and person B!

  • HELL yeah!

  • All ya'll need to LEARN!!

  • @nockuout1 You're really quite the Dim wit, aren't you. That's rhetorical, no need to answer. Thought I'd point that out since you're obviously pretty stupid.

    Race card? Where in Gods name did you pull that from? Just when we think you can't say anything dumber than you already have, you prove you can.

    BTW, those insults smack of someone 12 years old or so, am I right. 

  • @nockuout1 Funny how your horrible grammar and continued slaughter of the word Preamble is lost on you as you call me an idiot. I think it's pretty clear to everyone, you're not very bright, and as such, can't understand most of what you read.Nobody said the Preamble has any governing powers, you pulled that out of your own butt. Maybe this will help your itsy bitsy brain.

    "A preamble is an introductory and explanatory statement in a document that explains the document's purpose and underlying-

  • @AMXhotrod philosophy and purpose.

    P.S. If you're going to call someone an idiot, it might help to have grammer and diction above that of a 3rd grader. Otherwise you just come off as an ignorant, nattering, parroter of talking points you fail to understand.

    Perhaps some day when you move out of your mommy's basement and get a job, you'll have a better grasp on reality.

    Chao stupido.

  • @nockuout1 I think I made it clear for all but the Severly Retarded that everything you say is incorrect. No wonder it goes right over your head. As far as the Preamble having no power, who ever said it did numbnuts? It's a mission statement, what part of that makes your tiny brain hurt? Once again, it outlines the objectives, the body does the rest.

    And once again, your powers of observation are a tad dimwitted. I'm not a law student.

  • @nockuout1 Next time you choose to rewrite the Constitution, go to another Country to do it. We're fine with ours the way it is.

    Believe it or not, it protects our rights, even Knuckleheads like yourself.

  • @nockuout1 What a Moron, your premise that some members of Congress agree with you cements your position as "Lemming of the year". The Preamble as any law student of first year Business major knows, is a Mission Statement. The meaning of which is obviously lost on you. I'll make it simple so even a dummy like you can understand. A mission statement outlines what you want to achieve, the body of the Constitution shows how they will achieve that.

    Too hard for you to grasp once again?

  • @nockuout1 Just because you're not bright enough to comprehend something, doesn't make it false. You are obviously uneducated about alot of things, health care and the Constitution are just 2 more you can add to your list.

    As far as the Preamble not having any power, did you even graduate High School? Maybe when you get a bit older you'll understand what the Preamble is, doubtful, but maybe. It's something you learn about in the 8th grade you dummy.

  • @nockuout1 Hey Dumbshit, Federal powers superceed state powers as outlined in our Constitution.

    Honestly, is it physically painful to be that dumb?

  • If your mother is sick, does she have a right to have her life saved? Is her life more valuable than commerce?

  • @PersianPaladin NO, she does not have the right to have her life saved.

  • @Swervin309

    I agree with mr1001nights.

  • The refutation is simply to point to Levin's Nirvana fallacy. The alternative to that debt is an even worse debt. If we don't have a collective way to ensure some basic things like food, shelter and healthcare, the price we will pay will, in many ways be HIGHER.

  • @mr1001nights So what you're saying is, if we don't surrender our Liberties and wealth to the government to redistribute then we will end up paying a higher price? Which is? My God, i can't tell you how much your statement made my brain hurt.

  • We are RIGHT, they are WRONG, that's the end of the story! Wilkow showed the liberal argument can't hold water.

  • @PersianPaladin Because I decide what a 'moral obligation is, not the government. The government is not the moral compass in the US. If MY morals obligate me to help a friend in need then i will but i will not empower a government to force a private citizen to buy someone's health care because they say it's a 'moral obligation.

  • @Swervin309

    Is it an acceptable situation to have people who are left with unaffordable healthcare bills after lifesaving medical attention? What if your market reforms dont solve that problem? What if charity is insufficient? Don't we all have an ethical obligation to help provide a safety net? It doesn't mean we have to let the government do it. But we can't just leave people at the mercy of monetary charity either. We need institutional solidarity somewhere.

  • @PersianPaladin That's just life. Our government was not set up to be a nanny state to look after the needs of the citizens.

    Ethical obligation? Who decides that that is? Surly isn't government.

    Why does everything have to have government intervention? Why do you want to empower the very thing that has caused these problems?

  • People rank TRICARE 1. The VA 2. Medicare 3. in satisfaction. Lets put Wlikow accrost the table from Galloway and watch him get sliced up and sent home crying.

  • @nockuout1 Hey Stupid, what part of Preamble don't you understand? You can't even use the section I posted without going off on an unrelated rant about a wholely seperate Welfare clause buried in the body. So now we've established you knew nothing of the Constitution, copied your answers, and ever refrenced the wrong section even though I clearly gave you the correct one.

    You're a good arguement for abortions.

  • @nockuout1 So now we've not only established you're a Moron who didn't have a clue what was in the Constitution. We also see you too dim witted to do any thinking for yourself, and instead copy word for word a wikapedia posting. Does it hurt to be that stupid? You think some day you might actually think for yourself or is plagerizing your forte?

  • Wilkow is dumb. his listeneres are so dense

  • @nockuout1 Hey Stupid, bbwolf asked the same question you did, so is it too hard for you to comprehend my answer or what? I've posted my answer, and as you see it's pretty clear and concise. So how are you going to wiggle out of this one dummy? Let me guess, you won't respond. The Preamble is pretty clear in its intent, guess you are just too dim to realize that huh? I'm waiting Moron.

  • @nockuout1 for some reason my reply to you wont go through, I'll try later.

  • Wilkow is a Moron and if he knew the first thing about the Constitution he would know that healthcare is provided for in it. If he or anyone else has to ask where, then they're either very stupid, or totally ignorant about the Constitution. I suspect in his case, it's both.

  • Please give us the title/ammendment of the U.S.

    constitution that provides for health care.

  • @bbwolf123 Please see my response to nockuout and use it. But ignore the profanity since it was not directed to you.

  • @AMXhotrod Can't find your response, but it doesn't really matter because there is no such provision in the U.S. Constitution. Although your politics leave a lot to be desired, you do have pretty good taste in musclecars. I remember the AMC AMX well. I remember seeing them in the showroom when they first came out, 1968 I believe it was. I was a Mopar man myself, my first of which was a 1969

    Plymouth Road Runner 440-6 w/4-Speed trans. Wish I had not sold it, but you

    live and learn.

  • @bbwolf123 Still can't post the responce so I'll summarize it. The Constitutions Preamble lists 5 things in it smission statement. One of the 5 being the general Welfare. Look up the definition of Welfare, 9 out of 10 times, Health is the first word in the definition. Prosperity and Well Being being the second and third.

    So unless you think the Founding Fathers meant we should all do jumping Jacks, it's obvious they wanted to ensure all citizens good health.

    Pretty easy huh?

  • Actually ...no. The General Welfare clause in Article I Section 8 is an introduction to the enumerated powers that follow and not itself a

    grant of power. James Madison, when asked if the "general welfare" clause was a grant of power, replied in 1792, in a letter to Henry Lee, " If not only the means but the objects are unlimited, the parchment [the Constitution] should be thrown into the fire at once ".

  • The idea that the "General Welfare" clause somehow empowers the federal government to tax and spend without limit so long as it can somehow be linked to "General Welfare" is a distortion created by FDR ( one of the biggest scoundrels ever to inhabit the white house ) in his unconstitutional power grab of 1937. The only question is... can the current scoundrel be stopped in time?

  • @AMXhotrod Before you tell someone to look up the definition of a word....make sure that word has the same meaning it had in the 18th Century. BTW. It DIDN'T say the WELFARE of the individual. It said the "General Welfare of the United States"...then gives the 18 enumerated rights that the Federal Government was limited too. You cannot apply modern definitions to the Constitution to distort it for your purpose. If you want a change...Amend it.