this is so true, iv seen civil war reenactors 1861 springfields and enfield in such bad shape. i take great care for my 1861 springfield even tho their tiny bit rust on outside the barrel but the inside the barrel is very clean and rust free since i live fire shoot
Bravo sir. As a reenactor I applaud and concur with your observations. The way in which some living historians could be obsessive over the stitching in their uniforms and then slack off on weapon maintenance drove me crazy. I was taught different.
Man Murphy you are so right, I refuse to reenact with a group in my area, because they have become so anal. They have taken all the fun out of reenacting! i have heard the same thing regarding the flintlock, but i think in large part it is because if you don't keep the frizzen in good shape and the flint sharp then that's where the problems occur.....
@murpheysmuskets Euro'pean reenactors seem to be more careful with their guns (maybe because they got only one) I've always seen people pouring boiling water in their musket after the battle (like the soldiers did). A veteran (grenadier of the Old Guard) of Napoleonic Wars, Jean-Roche Coignet, wrote in his memoirs that, on the battlefield, soldiers peeed in the barrel to clean it...
Haha! You sound pissed off sir! I was in the British grenadiers guards. We were made to over clean our as-80,s for six hours one day in respirators whilst our sergeants lit CS gas tablets around us because some crow tried to put his rifle back in the armoury without cleaning it! Lol, great days!
Well, You can see, on my Muskets, that they have been through a lot of Use, but thes are clean, rust-free and nicely working, all by virtue of authentic 18th C. Methods.
Many Reenactors claim, that they wouldnt have cared so much about the arms back then, which is nonsense. And even if the Soldiers didn't care, the Officers liked neat and shiny arms, and had no work from Ordering the Commoners to clean their arms thoroughly.
@LutzDerLurch I have to add, that a mirror-bright Finish is not reasonably sustainable on a Service Musket. The Periode Materials won't erase pitting from a march through the rain immediately, but very slowly over time, when polishing the arms over and over again. And the Finish is a very fine grained one. Excessive polishing was, for good reasons, prevented, as it wears off Material. And if you have a Musket outside all day for Years, wou are easily ruining it by excessive Polishing.
@LutzDerLurch [cont.] That is exactly what happened to many Prussian arms prior to the Napoleonic Wars. The Best Way to care for the Firelock, is keeping it well greased and oiled, and wipe off any moisture asap. Same for Powder fouling. Cleaning the inside with boiling water and Tow is sufficient, when neatly greasing it afterwards. over the time, some grease will burn into the metal, like in a iron frying pan. And only polish as needed to remove rust.
@LutzDerLurch [cont.2] After all, a Service-arm IS Aging and suffering a bit. And you can not apply Collectors Standards of Cleaning to a serving Army. Then again, having your arms rotting away, is also incorrect.
( 200 years from now) (War in Afghanistan reenactors) The m4 carbine was a very innacurate and unreliable weapon that had a 50/50 chance of jamming everytime it was fired. The construction and design of the weapon were flawed and it proved to be very undependable on the battlefield.
Hey man, I hope you read this, becouse it also pisses me off that some reenactors are inacurate as hell. Im a civil war reenactor myself but im a history buff. In the American revolution with flintlocks everyone says they said ready aim fire. They DID NOT say AIM they said LEVEL. becouse you cant AIM a smoothbore musket, you just point. Little things like that give people Different and INACURAT ideas of past wars. Also sorry for my spelling i suck at spelling lol....
Ive been reenacting for a few years now and the condition of some of the guys muskets is just deplorable, there musket is filthy rotten and they blame the arm for not working.....
If my frizzen is not wet or fouled and the flint is good all my flintlocks will fire in even poaring rain...if it goes --click-- its operator error 100%
In all fairness Murphy I agree with you that the large majority of reenactors do treat their guns pretty misserably. That being said not all of us do. I personlaly clean, pollish and maintain mine inside and out after every battle. At night when I bunk down I break it from stack and take it in my tent with me (because there is no bell of arms in civil war reenactin) and yeah the drama I must agree is obnoxious. I know I am the acception to the treatment of my guns but please imply most not all.
@murpheysmuskets I used to do F&I reenacting but I got a little tired of people with flash gaurds calling me farbee for wearing certain things that may (or may not I admit) Have exsisted or may have been modified by the individuals who used them. I finally one day just went to one of them.. "Guess what else is farby FLASH GUARDS! It's a 20th century invention for reenactors to protect the guy to your right from powder burn the military back then didn't care about it." F&I is fun just too pricy
You are 100% correct Murph. I reenact French and Indian rev war and civil war. This has been my beef for a long time, soldiers kept there weapons in pristine condition. They would be fined or punished if they didn't depending on time period. Some of my guns are 16 years old and skill look new.
You got that right! It is such a shame to see muzzleloaders mistreated in such a bad way. It made me cringe seeing the rust in the barrel on the middle musket. You've seen my girls, even the ones approaching 30 years old are in much better shape. Not only do I clean every gun right after I get home, but I also periodically check them to make sure rust isn't forming months later. They are a big investment and will continue to add to my shooting enjoyment as long as I take care of them.
@Teleoceras Man I'm telling you that musket in the middle was nothing compared to some of the things I saw! And yeah then they wonder why their guns only work half the time. Have you ever been to a reenactment?
@murpheysmuskets Yeah, I've seen a few reenactments. It looked like the English Civil War guys treated their Matchlocks a lot better than the Rev. War guys did their Flintlocks. I remember seeing rust on the locks of some Charlevilles.
Welcome to reenacting. We got your guys who like camping, we got your guys who like guns, we got your history buffs, we got your wannabe soldiers, we got your guys who like to play dress up. Pick your clique.
@huguenot67 lol all in all it was a positive experience, I just couldn't believe the amount of drama that was flying around and how b/c some groups had more money than others they were somehow superior.
this is so true, iv seen civil war reenactors 1861 springfields and enfield in such bad shape. i take great care for my 1861 springfield even tho their tiny bit rust on outside the barrel but the inside the barrel is very clean and rust free since i live fire shoot
bullriderfxxx 3 days ago
Bravo sir. As a reenactor I applaud and concur with your observations. The way in which some living historians could be obsessive over the stitching in their uniforms and then slack off on weapon maintenance drove me crazy. I was taught different.
HazMatMedia 1 week ago
Man Murphy you are so right, I refuse to reenact with a group in my area, because they have become so anal. They have taken all the fun out of reenacting! i have heard the same thing regarding the flintlock, but i think in large part it is because if you don't keep the frizzen in good shape and the flint sharp then that's where the problems occur.....
whisperingdeath308 1 month ago
Is that a crack on the barrel tang of your Brown Bess ?
ChurchillCigar 1 month ago
@ChurchillCigar No, just looks like it because of the poor video quality.
murpheysmuskets 1 month ago
@murpheysmuskets Euro'pean reenactors seem to be more careful with their guns (maybe because they got only one) I've always seen people pouring boiling water in their musket after the battle (like the soldiers did). A veteran (grenadier of the Old Guard) of Napoleonic Wars, Jean-Roche Coignet, wrote in his memoirs that, on the battlefield, soldiers peeed in the barrel to clean it...
ChurchillCigar 1 month ago
@murpheysmuskets can you do a video where you take the brown bess apart and show how everything works that would be quite interesting
usmc123100 1 week ago
do you have a buisness or website? what is it if you do
MrDannysuzy 2 months ago
SA-80's (sorry)
TheMrsNogood 3 months ago
Haha! You sound pissed off sir! I was in the British grenadiers guards. We were made to over clean our as-80,s for six hours one day in respirators whilst our sergeants lit CS gas tablets around us because some crow tried to put his rifle back in the armoury without cleaning it! Lol, great days!
TheMrsNogood 3 months ago
Well, You can see, on my Muskets, that they have been through a lot of Use, but thes are clean, rust-free and nicely working, all by virtue of authentic 18th C. Methods.
Many Reenactors claim, that they wouldnt have cared so much about the arms back then, which is nonsense. And even if the Soldiers didn't care, the Officers liked neat and shiny arms, and had no work from Ordering the Commoners to clean their arms thoroughly.
LutzDerLurch 7 months ago
@LutzDerLurch I have to add, that a mirror-bright Finish is not reasonably sustainable on a Service Musket. The Periode Materials won't erase pitting from a march through the rain immediately, but very slowly over time, when polishing the arms over and over again. And the Finish is a very fine grained one. Excessive polishing was, for good reasons, prevented, as it wears off Material. And if you have a Musket outside all day for Years, wou are easily ruining it by excessive Polishing.
LutzDerLurch 7 months ago
@LutzDerLurch [cont.] That is exactly what happened to many Prussian arms prior to the Napoleonic Wars. The Best Way to care for the Firelock, is keeping it well greased and oiled, and wipe off any moisture asap. Same for Powder fouling. Cleaning the inside with boiling water and Tow is sufficient, when neatly greasing it afterwards. over the time, some grease will burn into the metal, like in a iron frying pan. And only polish as needed to remove rust.
LutzDerLurch 7 months ago
@LutzDerLurch [cont.2] After all, a Service-arm IS Aging and suffering a bit. And you can not apply Collectors Standards of Cleaning to a serving Army. Then again, having your arms rotting away, is also incorrect.
LutzDerLurch 7 months ago
( 200 years from now) (War in Afghanistan reenactors) The m4 carbine was a very innacurate and unreliable weapon that had a 50/50 chance of jamming everytime it was fired. The construction and design of the weapon were flawed and it proved to be very undependable on the battlefield.
MUSICALGUNNUT45 8 months ago
Hey man, I hope you read this, becouse it also pisses me off that some reenactors are inacurate as hell. Im a civil war reenactor myself but im a history buff. In the American revolution with flintlocks everyone says they said ready aim fire. They DID NOT say AIM they said LEVEL. becouse you cant AIM a smoothbore musket, you just point. Little things like that give people Different and INACURAT ideas of past wars. Also sorry for my spelling i suck at spelling lol....
2ndNCInfantry 8 months ago
Ive been reenacting for a few years now and the condition of some of the guys muskets is just deplorable, there musket is filthy rotten and they blame the arm for not working.....
If my frizzen is not wet or fouled and the flint is good all my flintlocks will fire in even poaring rain...if it goes --click-- its operator error 100%
Well done and dont let the jack asses get to you.
Cheers.
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ROBBEAUDOIN66 9 months ago
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GRAILKNIGHTPARZIFAL 9 months ago
Good points. It's a shame that part of the heritage is also lost by not properly maintaining these firearms.
TheGunfighter45acp 9 months ago
I have no clue about blackpowder, so this was interesting to me. One reason I subbed you, is you keep it real! ;)
CaptainBerz 9 months ago
In all fairness Murphy I agree with you that the large majority of reenactors do treat their guns pretty misserably. That being said not all of us do. I personlaly clean, pollish and maintain mine inside and out after every battle. At night when I bunk down I break it from stack and take it in my tent with me (because there is no bell of arms in civil war reenactin) and yeah the drama I must agree is obnoxious. I know I am the acception to the treatment of my guns but please imply most not all.
john4knecht 9 months ago
@john4knecht I thought I did. I guess I'll have to use an annotation. But yes I did see a few clean guns but as you just stated it was the exception.
murpheysmuskets 9 months ago
@murpheysmuskets I used to do F&I reenacting but I got a little tired of people with flash gaurds calling me farbee for wearing certain things that may (or may not I admit) Have exsisted or may have been modified by the individuals who used them. I finally one day just went to one of them.. "Guess what else is farby FLASH GUARDS! It's a 20th century invention for reenactors to protect the guy to your right from powder burn the military back then didn't care about it." F&I is fun just too pricy
john4knecht 9 months ago
Wait a minute. You have to CLEAN your GUNS?!
ssstealth 9 months ago
Reenactors who talk about authenticity and have rusty guns are the biggest fakes. It doesn't look cool and its not historically accurate
griebz 9 months ago
You are 100% correct Murph. I reenact French and Indian rev war and civil war. This has been my beef for a long time, soldiers kept there weapons in pristine condition. They would be fined or punished if they didn't depending on time period. Some of my guns are 16 years old and skill look new.
griebz 9 months ago
Wd40 fixes everything! Try the civil war......no drama there!
97yankeeboy 9 months ago
@97yankeeboy trust me Yankee there is plenty of drama running around any faset of reenacting... ours included.
john4knecht 9 months ago
Murpghey, could you do a video on the brass pan guards on the muskets?
SuperR3volver 9 months ago
what war do you reenact
ussr19411945 9 months ago
Wow, You keep your weapon in pristine condition! Very nice video.
scientist1882 9 months ago
You got that right! It is such a shame to see muzzleloaders mistreated in such a bad way. It made me cringe seeing the rust in the barrel on the middle musket. You've seen my girls, even the ones approaching 30 years old are in much better shape. Not only do I clean every gun right after I get home, but I also periodically check them to make sure rust isn't forming months later. They are a big investment and will continue to add to my shooting enjoyment as long as I take care of them.
Teleoceras 9 months ago
@Teleoceras Man I'm telling you that musket in the middle was nothing compared to some of the things I saw! And yeah then they wonder why their guns only work half the time. Have you ever been to a reenactment?
murpheysmuskets 9 months ago
@murpheysmuskets Yeah, I've seen a few reenactments. It looked like the English Civil War guys treated their Matchlocks a lot better than the Rev. War guys did their Flintlocks. I remember seeing rust on the locks of some Charlevilles.
Teleoceras 9 months ago
Welcome to reenacting. We got your guys who like camping, we got your guys who like guns, we got your history buffs, we got your wannabe soldiers, we got your guys who like to play dress up. Pick your clique.
huguenot67 9 months ago
@huguenot67 lol all in all it was a positive experience, I just couldn't believe the amount of drama that was flying around and how b/c some groups had more money than others they were somehow superior.
murpheysmuskets 9 months ago
when the original wear is cleaned off and polished, doesn't the rifle lose it's value?
whiplashie 9 months ago
@whiplashie What do you mean? None of these guns are original they are all reproductions
murpheysmuskets 9 months ago
those india made shooters?
doomcannon445 9 months ago
@doomcannon445 The top one is a Pedersoli, the bottom two are India
murpheysmuskets 9 months ago
some of those folk just look at these firearms as fancy-dan cap guns. makes me sick
doomcannon445 9 months ago
i bet you kick total ass at them re-enactments xD
XvChriisvX 9 months ago